Darron Gibson

[shakermaker1982]

A move to another club in the PL (Wolves on loan?) would help him a lot. He's neat and tidy but has yet to master how to control and influence the tempo of a game.

Geysir - Carrick seems to have fallen out of favour with Fergie this season and is not getting that much game time despite Man Utd's injury problems. Rumours doing the rounds that Fergie is willing to offload him to Spurs in exchange for Modric.

[paul_oshea]

Lads who hit the ball in the first half, was it him, they reshowed it on sky sports, from the left of the centre circle, curled it through to the edge of the 18 yard box. It was a sublime pass, granted park or whoever was running on didnt quite make it. Shots were very wayward which I felt bad for him as i thought he was trying to shoot and build confidence.

Overall his passes were a bit rusty, but he was good in tight situations and didnt delay long on the ball, game time would help this. I definitely saw potential in him, its a pity he couldn't be more aggressive when not on the ball. I think thats where fergie needs to start telling him to get stuck in and to look for more passes. I saw potential last night.

[tetsujin1979]

I definitely saw potential in him, its a pity he couldn't be more aggressive when not on the ball. I think thats where fergie needs to start telling him to get stuck in and to look for more passes. I saw potential last night.
That's the problem with the lad, Paul. He's had potential for about 3 years now, and it's time to start delivering on it.
It's a real double edged sword that he's at United. On the one hand, the highest levels of training and conditioning, as well as one of the most successful managers of all time.
On the other, passage blocked to first team football by some of the best players in the Premiership.

[ifk101]

Lads who hit the ball in the first half, was it him, they reshowed it on sky sports, from the left of the centre circle, curled it through to the edge of the 18 yard box. It was a sublime pass, granted park or whoever was running on didnt quite make it. Shots were very wayward which I felt bad for him as i thought he was trying to shoot and build confidence.

Overall his passes were a bit rusty, but he was good in tight situations and didnt delay long on the ball, game time would help this. I definitely saw potential in him, its a pity he couldn't be more aggressive when not on the ball. I think thats where fergie needs to start telling him to get stuck in and to look for more passes. I saw potential last night.

He is capable of the more incisive pass - for example, he showed that against the Spurs in last season League Cup final. The problem is he doesn't do it often enough and it could be argued that he needs to playing with more regularity to develop the confidence to do it more often. Regarding his international prospects; I think we have a couple of young players coming through that will challenge Gibson not only for a position in the team but also for a position in the squad.

[O'Shea's Boot]

That's the problem with the lad, Paul. He's had potential for about 3 years now, and it's time to start delivering on it.

Totally agree with this...I support Utd and have followed Darron's progress. He and Jonny Evans came through at the same time ...Evans has come on leaps and bounds, Gibson's progress is non existent ......pity but true

[Murfinator]

rating from goal.com for last night.

http://www.goal.com/en/news/1716/champions-league/2009/11/25/1648076/player-ratings-manchester-united-0-1-besiktas


Darron Gibson (http://www.goal.com/en/people/norhern-ireland/16958/darron-gibson) - 5 - Struggled to make his mark and his passing went askew too often when put under pressure. Failed to find the target with his sledgehammer of a right boot. Disappointing night was capped off when hooked for Carrick.

He fared better than Anderson who got a 4 but they seem to be suggesting centre mid was the primary problem last night.

[magnumpi]

i thought gibson struggled last night, and struggled when he came on against france. needs a move.

[Emmet7]

Well all I can say is both Giles and Dunphy couldn't make it at Man Utd so they can't really talk.

Giles did go on and do well at Leeds.

It's a tough place to do well at, Man Utd. The recent generation of Utd Players have been world class and delivered some amount of trophies.

Anyone who thinks an up and coming player even at 22 can knock on the door of the first team is deluding themselves. Maybe when Scholes retires, he might have a better chance.

I'd say it's tough for Gibson. He can't get a game in the Premier League and then some people, including on here, expect him to turn up in a Champions League match and run the show.

Give the guy a chance.

[Colbert Report]

A move to another club in the PL (Wolves on loan?) would help him a lot. He's neat and tidy but has yet to master how to control and influence the tempo of a game.

Geysir - Carrick seems to have fallen out of favour with Fergie this season and is not getting that much game time despite Man Utd's injury problems. Rumours doing the rounds that Fergie is willing to offload him to Spurs in exchange for Modric.

Swap him for Modric? Why would Spurs go for that? Ferguson would have to include about twenty million pounds for that deal to go through.

[elroy]

Swap him for Modric? Why would Spurs go for that? Ferguson would have to include about twenty million pounds for that deal to go through.

Plus isnt Modric pretty much out for the season.

[Greenbod]

Well all I can say is both Giles and Dunphy couldn't make it at Man Utd so they can't really talk.



oh my God....the irony of it all.............:(

[shakermaker1982]

Swap him for Modric? Why would Spurs go for that? Ferguson would have to include about twenty million pounds for that deal to go through.

Yeah Man Utd will need to add cash to the deal (probably between 10 and 20 million) but it's not beyond their means!!

[tetsujin1979]

Well all I can say is both Giles and Dunphy couldn't make it at Man Utd so they can't really talk.

Giles did go on and do well at Leeds.
Does you mean that Giles should only comment on Leeds players, and Dunphy on Millwall, seeing as that is where they both made it?

[magnumpi]

Does you mean that Giles should only comment on Leeds players, and Dunphy on Millwall, seeing as that is where they both made it?

haha, agree with you.

but the only thing Dunphy ever "made it" at was being a prize *****.

[carloz]

According to Man Utd fans on another forum, he is dominating many reserve games. Ferguson said he has been excellent in training. I really think he needs a run of games, and i doubt Ferguson would have the courage to do that. He was better last night than Carrick is in most games.

[Splurge]

He needs games under his belt now the same way Fletcher needed them 3-4 yrs ago when he was average at best. I reckon the odd game at Utd and Ireland is better than going out on loan. With CL and carling cup games coming up he should be able to get a game a week. He could do with putting in a couple of good performances here and there.

On a side note, did anyone notice a severly receding hairline when he was being substituted, Friar Tuck style.

[SwanVsDalton]

Maybe it's the run of games he's needs, I think he could certainly benefit from it. I still worry though, he's never looked too out of place but neither has he really shone in any appearance for either Man Yoo or Ireland.

[Emmet7]

Does you mean that Giles should only comment on Leeds players, and Dunphy on Millwall, seeing as that is where they both made it?

Think you are trying to put words in my mouth there.

The point I am making is different to what you think.

By common consent Giles was a good player in his day, perhaps even a great player.

But he couldn't hold down a regular place at Man Utd, or wasn't knocking on the door of being a regular first team player.

That team was of a similar standard to the one today, it went on to win the European Cup, had a few League Championships under it's belt.

It goes to show how hard it is to break into the first team at Old Trafford given the wealth of talent. Giles couldn't do it, nor Dunphy nor a lot of other talented players who had to go elsewhere. It doesn't mean Gibson is a bad player because he's not a starter at Man Utd. He doesn't have the experience, Scholes, Carrick, and all the other players have the experience and if you were losing a game to someone like Arsenal and you needed an experienced player to come off the bench, and take control of the game, I think most people would prefer it to be Scholes because of his experience.

[Greenbod]

But he couldn't hold down a regular place at Man Utd, or wasn't knocking on the door of being a regular first team player.



No intention of being drawn in to a debate with you....you're credibility just decreases with every post you make (if that's still possible).........but just for other posters (in case they don't know), I want to point out that Giles enjoyed a very successful early career with Man Utd, joining at 16, playing regularly with the first team from the age of 19 to 22 and winning a cup medal in 1963 before requesting a transfer to Leeds. During the time that Giles spent with Leeds they were arguably more successful than Man Utd....in no small part due to Giles's contribution.

[twoenz]

From watching Gibson last night I think he knew that of all the players out there, he was the one most at risk, and rushed himself a few times. He tried to get involved, and his frustration was there to see. The crowd were getting on his back a bit, they know he's got some shot on him, and seem to think he's going to ping one in every time he gets the ball.

Fergie looked pretty ****ed off after the free kick before he was yanked.

[Emmet7]

No intention of being drawn in to a debate with you....you're credibility just decreases with every post you make (if that's still possible).........but just for other posters (in case they don't know), I want to point out that Giles enjoyed a very successful early career with Man Utd, joining at 16, playing regularly with the first team from the age of 19 to 22 and winning a cup medal in 1963 before requesting a transfer to Leeds. During the time that Giles spent with Leeds they were arguably more successful than Man Utd....in no small part due to Giles's contribution.

Giles left Man Utd, because he feared he was about to be relegated to the bench by Matt Busby, I'm sure you knew that already. In his own words Giles admitted that he had played poorly in an FA cup semi final and after that he thought Busby's view of him was negative from there on in.

But yeh I haven't an interest in having a debate with you either. At least I started with some credibility, you have started with none.

By the way Man Utd just avoided relegation in 1963. It was also a team which had lost many of it's star players in the Munich crash and was rebuilding. Can you seriously compare that team with a team who has just been in two successive Champions League Finals?

I have no doubt you will try do just that.

[donalmcdonagh]

Well all I can say is both Giles and Dunphy couldn't make it at Man Utd so they can't really talk.

Giles did go on and do well at Leeds.

It's a tough place to do well at, Man Utd. The recent generation of Utd Players have been world class and delivered some amount of trophies.

Anyone who thinks an up and coming player even at 22 can knock on the door of the first team is deluding themselves. Maybe when Scholes retires, he might have a better chance.

I'd say it's tough for Gibson. He can't get a game in the Premier League and then some people, including on here, expect him to turn up in a Champions League match and run the show.

Give the guy a chance.


Have to say I agree totally........People expect him to be like keane or viera or something...and then say he is not up to if he has a bad game. I'd say give him more time. First taste of action since injury also.

[drummerboy]

When Giles was at United, a lot of the players were unhappy with their pay. Anyway Giles was more or less appointed Shop Steward and approached Busby with a list of gripes. Don't think their relationship was ever the same after that.

[Drumcondra 69er]

No intention of being drawn in to a debate with you....you're credibility just decreases with every post you make (if that's still possible).........but just for other posters (in case they don't know), I want to point out that Giles enjoyed a very successful early career with Man Utd, joining at 16, playing regularly with the first team from the age of 19 to 22 and winning a cup medal in 1963 before requesting a transfer to Leeds. During the time that Giles spent with Leeds they were arguably more successful than Man Utd....in no small part due to Giles's contribution.

Was about to reply with the exact same argument to Emmet who, as you say, loses credibilty as a poster in a big way with every post. And there's no arguably about his sucess either, Giles won every domestic trophy with Leeds along with 2 Fairs (UEFA/Europa) Cups when it was arguably a more difficult competition towin then the European Cup (3 or 4 top team from Spain, Italy, Germany, France etc as opposed to 1 team from each in the European Cup) while Man U hit the skids after their Europen Cup win. The year he won his 2nd title with Leeds Man Utd were relegated and he was only denied a European Cup win in 75 by a bribed referee.

[geysir]

Was about to reply with the exact same argument to Emmet who, as you say, loses credibilty as a poster in a big way with every post.
His credibility account must be heavily overdrawn by now :)

[Emmet7]

Was about to reply with the exact same argument to Emmet who, as you say, loses credibilty as a poster in a big way with every post. And there's no arguably about his sucess either, Giles won every domestic trophy with Leeds along with 2 Fairs (UEFA/Europa) Cups when it was arguably a more difficult competition towin then the European Cup (3 or 4 top team from Spain, Italy, Germany, France etc as opposed to 1 team from each in the European Cup) while Man U hit the skids after their Europen Cup win. The year he won his 2nd title with Leeds Man Utd were relegated and he was only denied a European Cup win in 75 by a bribed referee.

Go back to my original post and tell me where I said Giles didn't do well at Leeds?

It's there in black and white where I said Giles did well at Leeds.

If you want to have a discussion fine. If you want to tell lies and twist things and then accuse me of having little credibility based on you misrepresenting what I said that's different. It's you who has no credibility when you tell lies.

As for saying it was harder to win European competitions then, that's bull. The European Cup in those days featured teams from Malta, Republic of Ireland, Wales, Iceland, Finland, Norway, etc. Shamrock Rovers regularly played big teams like Man Utd in the European Cup. These days, they wouldn't get near the actual Champions League stage. It's far far more difficult to win the Champions League these days, anyone with an ounce of knowledge about soccer knows that. The same year Leeds got to the final, Cork Celtic got to the second round proper where they were trounced 7-1. Yeh, definitely more competitive in those days alright.

Who would you rather play in the European Cup, Shamrock Rovers, Bohemians, etc or the second or third place team from England, Spain or Italy? I know which I'd prefer to play.

By saying the European Cup was harder to win in Giles time than today, your argument and your own credibility has been shot to pieces. You probably should think about saying something dumb like the European Cup was more competitive in those days than today before saying it. Shows you have little knowledge about soccer.

[geysir]

As for saying it was harder to win European competitions then, that's bull.

Pretty sure that Drums wrote that the Fairs Cup then was arguably harder to win than the European cup at that time.
Drum's cred is still intact.

[osarusan]

If you want to tell lies and twist things and then accuse me of having little credibility based on you misrepresenting what I said that's different. It's you who has no credibility when you tell lies.

It's funny that you accuse him of misrepresenting what you've said, given that when he said this:

Giles won every domestic trophy with Leeds along with 2 Fairs (UEFA/Europa) Cups when it was arguably a more difficult competition towin then the European Cup (3 or 4 top team from Spain, Italy, Germany, France etc as opposed to 1 team from each in the European Cup) while Man U hit the skids after their Europen Cup win.

you misrepresent him with this:

As for saying it was harder to win European competitions then, that's bull.

...By saying the European Cup was harder to win in Giles time than today, your argument and your own credibility has been shot to pieces.

[O'Shea's Boot]

Great debate lads, but whats all this got to do with Gibson, who btw I think just isnt good enough for us or Man Utd

[Stuttgart88]

I thought Gibson did well when he came on in Paris.

[Junior]

Go back to my original post and tell me where I said Giles didn't do well at Leeds?

It's there in black and white where I said Giles did well at Leeds.

If you want to have a discussion fine. If you want to tell lies and twist things and then accuse me of having little credibility based on you misrepresenting what I said that's different. It's you who has no credibility when you tell lies.

As for saying it was harder to win European competitions then, that's bull. The European Cup in those days featured teams from Malta, Republic of Ireland, Wales, Iceland, Finland, Norway, etc. Shamrock Rovers regularly played big teams like Man Utd in the European Cup. These days, they wouldn't get near the actual Champions League stage. It's far far more difficult to win the Champions League these days, anyone with an ounce of knowledge about soccer knows that. The same year Leeds got to the final, Cork Celtic got to the second round proper where they were trounced 7-1. Yeh, definitely more competitive in those days alright.

Who would you rather play in the European Cup, Shamrock Rovers, Bohemians, etc or the second or third place team from England, Spain or Italy? I know which I'd prefer to play.

By saying the European Cup was harder to win in Giles time than today, your argument and your own credibility has been shot to pieces. You probably should think about saying something dumb like the European Cup was more competitive in those days than today before saying it. Shows you have little knowledge about soccer.

haha brilliant... too busy writing your response before youd read the post you were responding to....

[Emmet7]

Back to Gibson.

He's been injured for a number of months and is still returning to fitness. Hard to expect him to play the best game of his life returning from injury.

Scholes, Carrick and players like that have an obvious advantage in that they have been there done that worn the tee-shirt. Gibson is still a boy compared to Scholes experience wise.

You cannot judge a player because he cannot get into the United starting 11 for big games. Juan Veron was hailed a great player but struggled to make an impact at Old Trafford. The expectation is so high and you are expected to hit the ground running. Ferguson has favourites at United, Carrick, Scholes, Fletcher. That's who Gibson has to compete against and without getting match time it makes it doubly difficult.

[tetsujin1979]

Verson also had trouble spelling his own name, wonder if that was part of his failure at United!

[joema]

He just doesn't have it. Wes Brown syndrome. If he didn't play for United, there would be no chance he would get a call up.

Ah hahaha.

Lad, Wes Brown is top quality. 'Fraid I'm not going to take your "judgement" too seriously!

[Emmet7]

Verson also had trouble spelling his own name, wonder if that was part of his failure at United!

Good to see the spelling police are on the ball.

[O'Shea's Boot]

Back to Gibson.

He's been injured for a number of months and is still returning to fitness. Hard to expect him to play the best game of his life returning from injury.

Scholes, Carrick and players like that have an obvious advantage in that they have been there done that worn the tee-shirt. Gibson is still a boy compared to Scholes experience wise.

You cannot judge a player because he cannot get into the United starting 11 for big games. Juan Veron was hailed a great player but struggled to make an impact at Old Trafford. The expectation is so high and you are expected to hit the ground running. Ferguson has favourites at United, Carrick, Scholes, Fletcher. That's who Gibson has to compete against and without getting match time it makes it doubly difficult.
Fair enough points, Emmet - he is behind Fletcher, Scholes, Carrick, Giggs, Anderson and Hargreaves (when fit) - big ask

[geysir]

Gibson is playing tonight alongside Anderson against a decent enough Spurs side.

I hope Anderson doesn't weigh him down again :)

[Acornvilla]

Gibson is playing tonight alongside Anderson against a decent enough Spurs side.

I hope Anderson doesn't weigh him down again :)
complety forgot they were on tonight good man :D

[geysir]

Going by Darron's first shot, Mr Magoo would have a better guess at where the goalposts are.

[Jicked]

Going by Darron's first shot, Mr Magoo would have a better guess at where the goalposts are.

Lovely strike from Gibson to give Utd the lead. Well worth having a few sighters when you can hit them like he can.

[geysir]

Sure enough just when faith was being stretched, Gibson goes on to duly score an unstoppable cracker into the bottom corner.

[Wangball]

Sure enough just when faith was being stretched, Gibson goes on to duly score an unstoppable cracker into the bottom corner.

That was a sweet goal, he only seems to score the spectacular ones!


.....and another one!!!

[Jicked]

And he's just put away and even better one! First brace of Gibson's career, two crackers.

[theworm2345]

Just scored again :confused:

Where was this 2 weeks ago?

[geysir]

:D
:ball: :ball:

[Wangball]

The 2nd one was some goal, beautiful almost!

[ifk101]

Two top class strikes by Darron - good to see he had the confidence to shoot after his first attempt on goal.

Crowd shouting shoot anytime he touches the ball now. :D

[tetsujin1979]

hell of a way to break his duck for the season!

[geysir]

20/1 to get the third.

[rambler14]

Two superb goals........so far.

The RTE pundits are consistently very hard on him which is unfair. He's a fantastic player with great ability. I really do believe he can go on to be a future Man United and Ireland captain.