View Full Version : (Very early) Transfer gossip/squad retention
Fivesilver
07/12/2013, 1:54 PM
OK, I was wrong - Brush and Russell confirmed. Brush will be useful as backup for Rogers. Russell potentially an excellent signing.
Longfordian
07/12/2013, 3:49 PM
Town have signed Conor O'Brien, formerly of Bohs. Son of Liam O'Brien. Not sure if he's been with anyone since apparently leaving them in July.
Rover'n'out
07/12/2013, 4:04 PM
Well Russell is one of them supposedly and if that's true 'll be very happy
Thankfully I was very very wrong. Extremely happy with that. John Russell is a brilliant signing. If djilali signs as is expected and a decent
striker is brought in, we should be a lot stronger than last year.
Ezeikial
08/12/2013, 7:51 AM
When Richie Ryan was signed, you offered the opinion that the contract was to end of season. Are you sure he is under contract to end 2014?
I imagined it was at the time, but I heard subsequently it was until the end of 2014. The club seem to have confirmed that now.
Extratime.ie appear to agree with you:
The Hoops are also in the unusual position in the Airtricity League with Eamon Zayed, Richie Ryan, Ronan Finn, Sean O'Connor, Jason McGuinness, Gary McCabe and Ciaran Kilduff all under contract for the 2014 season. More signings are expected soon.
http://extratime.ie/newsdesk/articles/11491/sheppard-departs-reading-for-hoops/
while yesterdays Indo implies that he may not be staying
Richie Ryan's commitment to Rovers, though, is less clear. The talented midfielder will decide this week whether he wants to stay with the club or emigrate to Canada (http://searchtopics.independent.ie/topic/Canada), where friends of his reside.
Should he go, it would represent the second major setback of the week for manager Trevor Croly, who lost out on his chief transfer target, Daryl Horgan.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/hoops-inching-closer-to-b-team-plan-green-light-29817670.html
Fivesilver
08/12/2013, 9:30 AM
"The Hoops are also in the unusual position in the Airtricity League with Eamon Zayed, Richie Ryan, Ronan Finn, Sean O'Connor, Jason McGuinness, Gary McCabe and Ciaran Kilduff all under contract for the 2014 season."
That is quite unusual - I can't think of another team in the league that has those seven players signed.
Thankfully I was very very wrong. Extremely happy with that. John Russell is a brilliant signing. If djilali signs as is expected and a decent
striker is brought in, we should be a lot stronger than last year.
I'm not sure why I don't know what type of player he is as I read back and he started most games for Pats last season,but I don't seem to know much about him. Is he a defensive midfielder?
PartySaint
08/12/2013, 3:15 PM
I'm not sure why I don't know what type of player he is as I read back and he started most games for Pats last season,but I don't seem to know much about him. Is he a defensive midfielder?
Attacking midfielder, played just behind the striker for us. A lovely player to watch.
Fivesilver
08/12/2013, 6:52 PM
I'm surprised a Dundalk fan wouldn't know about Russell as in the crucial game in the run-in he played the opening 20 minutes like he'd been specifically detailed to nobble Towell. Having said that, the reason it stood out for me was because it was so unusual - he normally played lovely football, for us and for Pats. I'm very pleased to see him back.
wonder88
08/12/2013, 7:18 PM
Russell is very good signing for Sligo, one of the most skillful players in the league. Athlone could be getting a good player in Chris Lyons, didn't do much at Bohs, but he looks a decent player to me.
Trainee
08/12/2013, 9:27 PM
Daryl Horgan has agreed to join Dundalk from Cork City, but compensation between the clubs has yet to be agreed. Rumor is Dundalk will pay Cork 20k in Compo
Ezeikial
08/12/2013, 10:15 PM
Daryl Horgan has agreed to join Dundalk from Cork City, but compensation between the clubs has yet to be agreed. Rumor is Dundalk will pay Cork 20k in Compo
Compensation not agreed, yet there is a rumour about how much will be agreed?
Strange..............
Charlie Darwin
08/12/2013, 10:23 PM
If Rafter was worth 10k, I'd say Cork will easily hold out for double. Surely a tribunal would agree.
Ezeikial
08/12/2013, 10:34 PM
If Rafter was worth 10k, I'd say Cork will easily hold out for double. Surely a tribunal would agree.
Rafter attracting a fee? Hardly
Charlie Darwin
08/12/2013, 10:44 PM
Mark Griffin, sorry. I always get those two confused. I think "sources" tell us the fee was 10k in the end? I thought it was ruled by a tribunal but I might be wrong. As far as I know, 20k was the fee Dundalk were looking for, so it's hardly unreasonable for Cork to demand the same, especially with English clubs having a look.
oriel
08/12/2013, 11:05 PM
Just a few things re the Griffin 'transfer'
The fee was never agreed & Derry have still not paid us anything.
Also this will have to be settled in time for 2014 PD licence being awarded to Derry.
I don't imagine it will be huge money, but it will still need to be paid.
Ezeikial
08/12/2013, 11:08 PM
Mark Griffin, sorry. I always get those two confused. I think "sources" tell us the fee was 10k in the end? I thought it was ruled by a tribunal but I might be wrong. As far as I know, 20k was the fee Dundalk were looking for, so it's hardly unreasonable for Cork to demand the same, especially with English clubs having a look.
The Griffin picture remains unclear - Derry media (http://www.derryjournal.com/sport/football/derry-city-latest/dundalk-demand-20-000-for-griffin-1-4518022) certainly claimed that Dundalk were looking for stg£20k, although I believe this was not accurate.
Generally clubs will seek what they believe they are entitled to by way of the rules on compensation payments - not necessarily what they think the player is worth. What ends up being negotiated between clubs or decided by the DRC tribunal is another thing.
Griffin was a player with a lot of potential 24 months ago - there will not be a big scramble for him now. Horgan is a very different proposition.
Charlie Darwin
08/12/2013, 11:23 PM
Just a few things re the Griffin 'transfer'
The fee was never agreed & Derry have still not paid us anything.
Also this will have to be settled in time for 2014 PD licence being awarded to Derry.
I don't imagine it will be huge money, but it will still need to be paid.
Sorry, I thought I'd read in Dundalk media a figure was agreed. That's madness then - the FAI does have a tribunal system in place, as unreliable and ad hoc as they are.
The Griffin picture remains unclear - Derry media (http://www.derryjournal.com/sport/football/derry-city-latest/dundalk-demand-20-000-for-griffin-1-4518022) certainly claimed that Dundalk were looking for stg£20k, although I believe this was not accurate.
Generally clubs will seek what they believe they are entitled to by way of the rules on compensation payments - not necessarily what they think the player is worth. What ends up being negotiated between clubs or decided by the DRC tribunal is another thing.
Griffin was a player with a lot of potential 24 months ago - there will not be a big scramble for him now. Horgan is a very different proposition.
Well it would be foolish of any club to be arguing fees based on what a player is worth and Dundalk are right to seek a figure based on what they can reasonably hope to achieve. Sorry, maybe I read Derry sources and assumed it was agreed upon by all.
avvenalaf
09/12/2013, 12:45 AM
Don't worry, Oriel, you'll know plenty about him before the end of this season.
Don't worry, Oriel, you'll know plenty about him before the end of this season.
Ha, you're probably right, but this time we'll set Towell on him!
A face
09/12/2013, 8:47 AM
Generally clubs will seek what they believe they are entitled to by way of the rules on compensation payments - not necessarily what they think the player is worth. What ends up being negotiated between clubs or decided by the DRC tribunal is another thing.
In Horgan's case the 20k figure is more than fair no matter what way you look at it. He came from Sligo as an U19 who wasn't breaking into the first team and he is leaving as one of the most sought after players in the league. If he was still under contract and we were selling him then it wouldn't be near 20k that's for sure. In short, 20k is an absolute bargain.
poster
09/12/2013, 9:10 AM
He came from Sligo as an U19 who wasn't breaking into the first team and he is leaving as one of the most sought after players in the league. If he was still under contract and we were selling him then it wouldn't be near 20k that's for sure. In short, 20k is an absolute bargain.
He never played for our U19s. He was in between the bench and the stands for most of his time here (as you say).
And 20k is way over the top for a slightly above average player who will give you a decent performance every five or six games.
Jofspring
09/12/2013, 9:30 AM
He was a starter in the first division with Salthill Devon, then a sub with Sligo and then a starter with Cork.
Yossarian
09/12/2013, 9:44 AM
Just a few things re the Griffin 'transfer'
The fee was never agreed & Derry have still not paid us anything.
Also this will have to be settled in time for 2014 PD licence being awarded to Derry.
I don't imagine it will be huge money, but it will still need to be paid.
Derry will be paying nothing for Griffin as the proper procedure wasn't followed by Dundalk. I believe his contract offer wasn't lodged with the FAI in the right timeframe. Do you not think it strange that our club has made absolutely no mention of this supposed debt??
Nah Nah Nah Nah
09/12/2013, 9:47 AM
At the time he left us to go to Cork there was talk that we had agreed a 50% sell on fee with Cork. Not sure if that only related to him going to England though (or if it's even true).
Daryl Horgan has agreed to join Dundalk from Cork City, but compensation between the clubs has yet to be agreed. Rumor is Dundalk will pay Cork 20k in Compo
This can't be true. Dundalk nearly went under a little over a year ago. Surely no team in the LOI is in a position to pay a 20k transfer fee.
White Horse
09/12/2013, 12:09 PM
This can't be true. Dundalk nearly went under a little over a year ago. Surely no team in the LOI is in a position to pay a 20k transfer fee.
You would be amazed at what is possible if a town gets behind it's team. 110% increase in attendances in 2013 accompanied by significant sponsorship from local businesses.
How do you think Sligo have pulled together a €1 million plus annual budget?
Support.
sadloserkid
09/12/2013, 12:53 PM
If he was still under contract and we were selling him then it wouldn't be near 20k that's for sure. In short, 20k is an absolute bargain.
Newsflash: He's not. :)
You would be amazed at what is possible if a town gets behind it's team. 110% increase in attendances in 2013 accompanied by significant sponsorship from local businesses.
How do you think Sligo have pulled together a €1 million plus annual budget?
Support.
Support my a*se. It's always good to throw out a percentage when the numbers aren't that impressive - your 110% increase isn't a jump from 3,000 to over 6,000 fans, its 900 to approximately 1900. Not enough to justify transfer fees. This isn't a 'dig at the rivals' by the way. I have seen this first-hand - I'm sure we were one of the last clubs to pay a transfer fee of that magnitude for a player and we had lovely support at the time. We still went belly-up. No club in this country (except maybe Rovers) have the financial resources to pay out transfer fees like that. Surely there are fans questioning this?
White Horse
09/12/2013, 1:10 PM
Support my a*se. It's always good to throw out a percentage when the numbers aren't that impressive - your 110% increase isn't a jump from 3,000 to over 6,000 fans, its 900 to approximately 1900. Not enough to justify transfer fees. This isn't a 'dig at the rivals' by the way. I have seen this first-hand - I'm sure we were one of the last clubs to pay a transfer fee of that magnitude for a player and we had lovely support at the time. We still went belly-up. No club in this country (except maybe Rovers) have the financial resources to pay out transfer fees like that. Surely there are fans questioning this?
Fans are questioning whether spending €20k is wisest use of the money, but it is still a relatively small part of our annual budget.
Our annual budget in 2013 to run the club was around €600k. It is probably going to be closer to €700k in 2014. The compensation payment to Cork will amount, at it's most, to less than 3% of our budget.
If Horgan goes on to have a great season, everyone will say the €20k was well spent, if he does a "Marc Griffin", they will say the opposite.
I don't understand your absolute aversion to compensation payments. Why single those out over player wages, number of coaches, or the number of players in a squad?
Conroy
09/12/2013, 1:11 PM
http://www.extratime.ie/newsdesk/articles/11498/
Horgan to be announced shortly.
CityRebel
09/12/2013, 1:42 PM
Show us the money!!! :D Bizarre move for a guy looking to go to England.
Louth4sam
09/12/2013, 1:49 PM
Bizarre move for a guy looking to go to England.
Why so? The club now have four players from the team of the year who are 22 or younger including the three nominees for young player of the year. If he wants to get noticed by scouts Dundalk is the place to be.
CityRebel
09/12/2013, 1:53 PM
Why so? The club now have four players from the team of the year who are 22 or younger including the three nominees for young player of the year. If he wants to get noticed by scouts Dundalk is the place to be.
Who's the last player ye sold to an English club?
Charlie Darwin
09/12/2013, 1:54 PM
Who's the last player ye sold to an English club?
Danny Kearns I think.
White Horse
09/12/2013, 2:09 PM
Danny Kearns I think.
Ben McLaughlin to Everton during the summer of 2012 was the last one. Currently playing with Everton's U21s.
Louth4sam
09/12/2013, 2:09 PM
Who's the last player ye sold to an English club?
Danny Kearns I think.
Ben McLaughlin to Everton.
Our record of bringing through youth has been pretty poor over past few years.
sadloserkid
09/12/2013, 3:15 PM
Bizarre move for a guy looking to go to England.
Maybe he's not as pushed about going to England as you believe? Maybe he just considers Dundalk a better career option than Cork at the moment?
A face
09/12/2013, 3:51 PM
This can't be true. Dundalk nearly went under a little over a year ago.
Even with the cited new sources of revenue, this is a recipe for disaster. Just have a horrible feeling its gonna be a headline for a good while in a year or two. Maybe not, fingers crossed, but either way its not sustainable.
Surely no team in the LOI is in a position to pay a 20k transfer fee.
It's not a transfer fee though.
Newsflash: He's not. :)
Exactly, that's why i said if !!! ;)
dundalkfc10
09/12/2013, 4:30 PM
David McMillan signed for Dundalk, confirmed on our website
Maybe he's not as pushed about going to England as you believe? Maybe he just considers Dundalk a better career option than Cork at the moment?
Or that his friends John Mountney and Patrick Hoban plays there too
White Horse
09/12/2013, 4:35 PM
Or that his friends John Mountney and Patrick Hoban plays there too
Nice Galway connection building up in Oriel Park.
Just a few things re the Griffin 'transfer'
The fee was never agreed & Derry have still not paid us anything.
Also this will have to be settled in time for 2014 PD licence being awarded to Derry.
I don't imagine it will be huge money, but it will still need to be paid.
We wont be paying a fee, Dundalk ballsed up with his contract offer, hence we didnt need to pay compo
Nice Galway connection building up in Oriel Park.
And you could add Stephen O'Donnell to that also, I think ye let go Vinny Faherty if I'm right?
We wont be paying a fee, Dundalk ballsed up with his contract offer, hence we didnt need to pay compo
I heard this today, but appears to be nothing less than a loophole that Derry are hoping to expose, nothing has been decided yet re a fee, so this will still effect Derry's licence until a final decision is made.
Horgan transfer not a done deal just yet, will possibly be announced tomorrow, compensation is well below the 20k figure that has been suggested.
And you could add Stephen O'Donnell to that also, I think ye let go Vinny Faherty if I'm right?
Faherty will not be re-signing.
Current Co Galway contingent in OP, is O'Donnell, Hoban, Mountney & Rossiter (who is moving to Galway to live !!) and possibly Horgan if that goes through.
A N Mouse
09/12/2013, 6:58 PM
I heard this today, but appears to be nothing less than a loophole that Derry are hoping to expose, nothing has been decided yet re a fee, so this will still effect Derry's licence until a final decision is made.
Horgan transfer not a done deal just yet, will possibly be announced tomorrow, compensation is well below the 20k figure that has been suggested.
It wouldn't be the first time Derry exploited this loophole.
Horgan would not be a transfer.
Other than that good to see negotiation, over compensation fees, has suddenly become acceptable in parts of louth.
Fans are questioning whether spending €20k is wisest use of the money, but it is still a relatively small part of our annual budget.
Our annual budget in 2013 to run the club was around €600k. It is probably going to be closer to €700k in 2014. The compensation payment to Cork will amount, at it's most, to less than 3% of our budget.
If Horgan goes on to have a great season, everyone will say the €20k was well spent, if he does a "Marc Griffin", they will say the opposite.
I don't understand your absolute aversion to compensation payments. Why single those out over player wages, number of coaches, or the number of players in a squad?
Fair point. If Dundalk are increasing their budget significantly then it's their prerogative to allocate it wherever they want. My 'absolute aversion' to transfer/compensation fees is that, in the past, it has indicated a financial recklessness by the club paying and it's usually followed by a * sitting beside the team's name in the table. Again, for a club that almost went under, it's a big gamble but I suppose it's their right to take it.
disgruntled
10/12/2013, 9:22 AM
I heard this today, but appears to be nothing less than a loophole that Derry are hoping to expose, nothing has been decided yet re a fee, so this will still effect Derry's licence until a final decision is made.
Horgan transfer not a done deal just yet, will possibly be announced tomorrow, compensation is well below the 20k figure that has been suggested.
Whatever the amount Dundalk seem to be spending quite a bit of money.
I hope they have it & are not just another League of Ireland club chasing the dream again.
League of Ireland history is full of dream chasers & it usually ends in tears.
Spending the money isn't the problem, its paying the invoices when they come in that's the problem.
White Horse
10/12/2013, 9:23 AM
Fair point. If Dundalk are increasing their budget significantly then it's their prerogative to allocate it wherever they want. My 'absolute aversion' to transfer/compensation fees is that, in the past, it has indicated a financial recklessness by the club paying and it's usually followed by a * sitting beside the team's name in the table. Again, for a club that almost went under, it's a big gamble but I suppose it's their right to take it.
My concern is increasing the budget on the basis of anticipated additional match day revenue as a result of increasing ticket prices by almost 50%.
Whether the increased budget is spent on compensation payments, additional players, or higher salaries is not that important.
I would be lying if I said I am not worried and that there are not risks involved. The additional costs are 100% certain to arise, not so the additional revenue.
Compensation is fairly complicated. It's based on age, wages, length of time with a club etc. That's if it goes to tribunal. Sligo and Salthill will also get a part of this payment (as it's a development fee, and they played their part in his development too)
Didn't Dundalk pay about 10k on the 2 lads from Mervue 2 years ago? That McCaffrey spoofer may just have been the worst manager the league has ever seen.
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