View Full Version : 2023 Season, Arrivals and Departures
Jack B
20/05/2023, 2:44 PM
I know McDonnell was talking about the vocal responses he got to his tweet on the story he posted but I don't think it's indicative of the whole fan base. I'd say it's fairly split on Daly at the moment as he's gotten some good results and has us trying to play better football, but the first couple of performances weren't too convincing and he obviously still has the Clancy link to him. Don't think he's doing his chances any harm at the minute though if he keeps getting results while we're offering the job to fellas that don't want it.
Jack B
20/05/2023, 2:47 PM
There's surely a world of a difference between Kenna and Lennon? Kenna was in his first job and Lennon has 10+ years' experience at a much higher level, doing reasonably well too.
Can't see how Pat's could have afforded him though
Kenna had a season at Galway didn't he? Not that it takes away from your point at all, there's hundreds of games managed in the difference so not the fairest comparison.
Martinho II
20/05/2023, 9:37 PM
Kenna had a season at Galway didn't he? Not that it takes away from your point at all, there's hundreds of games managed in the difference so not the fairest comparison.
correct Jack B
There's surely a world of a difference between Kenna and Lennon? Kenna was in his first job and Lennon has 10+ years' experience at a much higher level, doing reasonably well too.
Can't see how Pat's could have afforded him though
I did acknowledge that. Lennon obviously far more experience as a manager, and won titles with Celtic. So yeah, maybe not the fairest comparison. It was more the high profile ex international angle I was referring to. Lennon clearly thinks he’s above the league here ( and maybe he is) so I’d say all round we’re best out of it.
according to media reports he is in genuine contention for the Olympiacos job. There would still look to be a considerable gulf between any LOI club and the clubs that Neil can still attract interest from. Seems a but over ambitious from St Pat’s although no harm in asking I suppose.
Glen Of Aherlow
22/05/2023, 9:53 AM
I know McDonnell was talking about the vocal responses he got to his tweet on the story he posted but I don't think it's indicative of the whole fan base. I'd say it's fairly split on Daly at the moment as he's gotten some good results and has us trying to play better football, but the first couple of performances weren't too convincing and he obviously still has the Clancy link to him. Don't think he's doing his chances any harm at the minute though if he keeps getting results while we're offering the job to fellas that don't want it.
In fairness to Daly it's hard to change things straight away and he got a couple of wins in the first two . I think he's starting to show that he's got his own ideas and is'nt just a Clancy clone . I like that he makes changes quickly when things are'nt working in matches , which is something Clancy never seemed to do.
If we get a good performance and result against Dundalk to back up the result at Tolka i'd be happy to see him get the rest of the season.
joey B
22/05/2023, 2:34 PM
https://m.independent.ie/sport/soccer/league-of-ireland/league-one-side-fleetwood-town-have-offer-for-derry-city-winger-ryan-graydon-rejected/a1495849668.html
Fleetwood bid for Ryan Graydon and rejected by Derry…
ger121
22/05/2023, 3:10 PM
Daly confirmed as Pats Boss
https://www.the42.ie/jon-daly-st-patricks-athletic-6074222-May2023/
He has done well in his games in charge so can see the logic behind it.
Jack B
22/05/2023, 3:26 PM
In fairness to Daly it's hard to change things straight away and he got a couple of wins in the first two . I think he's starting to show that he's got his own ideas and is'nt just a Clancy clone . I like that he makes changes quickly when things are'nt working in matches , which is something Clancy never seemed to do.
If we get a good performance and result against Dundalk to back up the result at Tolka i'd be happy to see him get the rest of the season.
I agree with you, was just saying that was the general outlook of some of the fan base.
For what it's worth I'm content enough that he's gotten the job. I don't think any of the other names going around were particularly strong candidates and he's had an encouraging albeit small sample size of results.
pineapple stu
22/05/2023, 5:31 PM
https://m.independent.ie/sport/soccer/league-of-ireland/league-one-side-fleetwood-town-have-offer-for-derry-city-winger-ryan-graydon-rejected/a1495849668.html
Fleetwood bid for Ryan Graydon and rejected by Derry…
It'll be interesting to see if the cash flows in this summer like it did the last two transfer windows. Obviously Derry don't have to go accepting the first offer, but if the LoI could get a million in transfer fees per year, it'd be a bit of a game changer.
JC_GUFC
23/05/2023, 11:02 AM
Harps confirm the signings of Patrick Ferry from Ballinamallard and Stephen Doherty from Dergview.
Both Donegal lads. Doherty came all the way through Harps academy and is a very welcome returnee, and Ferry also spent time in Harps academy before joining Derry and on to Ballinamallard and provides another attacking option.
Doherty can play from 1st June and Ferry from 1st July.
Why can Doherty play from June? I'd have thought both would have been July when the window opens.
nigel-harps1954
23/05/2023, 6:15 PM
Why can Doherty play from June? I'd have thought both would have been July when the window opens.
I'm not entirely certain of it now.
Was initially told he can play from June as he's coming from amateur football, as opposed to out of contract pros from July.
Kiki Balboa
24/05/2023, 10:28 AM
according to media reports he is in genuine contention for the Olympiacos job. There would still look to be a considerable gulf between any LOI club and the clubs that Neil can still attract interest from. Seems a but over ambitious from St Pat’s although no harm in asking I suppose.
Little off topic, but if there is any National League that is on a downward curve, its the Greek league. Normally they were ranked in around the tenth spot a few years ago in European Country coefficients, but now have fallen to around the 20. They scored less than Ireland this year. Big clubs there, but big problems too.
JC_GUFC
24/05/2023, 1:31 PM
Little off topic, but if there is any National League that is on a downward curve, its the Greek league. Normally they were ranked in around the tenth spot a few years ago in European Country coefficients, but now have fallen to around the 20. They scored less than Ireland this year. Big clubs there, but big problems too.
This is true but I think it's also true that Olympiacos is a bigger job than St Pat's! :D
JC_GUFC
24/05/2023, 1:32 PM
I'm not entirely certain of it now.
Was initially told he can play from June as he's coming from amateur football, as opposed to out of contract pros from July.
I think they have to be a completely free agent (i.e. not have been registered anywhere) to join outside of the window.
sbgawa
24/05/2023, 1:53 PM
I think they have to be a completely free agent (i.e. not have been registered anywhere) to join outside of the window.
I think the rule is that the player has to have been out of contract before the closing of our last transfer window......so in our case that was end of Feb ish
pineapple stu
24/05/2023, 2:00 PM
They scored less than Ireland this year. Big clubs there, but big problems too.
They did start a round later in each case in fairness; that's a big difference. Olympiakos also got into the Europa League groups, which is a harder group than the Conference League. The rankings are going to be a bit wonky around where we're getting to - when you get so high you start in round 2, you end up missing out on coefficient points and then dropping backwards again
Kiki Balboa
24/05/2023, 6:33 PM
They did start a round later in each case in fairness; that's a big difference. Olympiakos also got into the Europa League groups, which is a harder group than the Conference League. The rankings are going to be a bit wonky around where we're getting to - when you get so high you start in round 2, you end up missing out on coefficient points and then dropping backwards again
Its a league that normally would have a team or two go that go a few rounds past the group stages, but this year finished with just above half of what Ireland got. Its a league that would normally stradle in the upper middle tier of European football - far above our teams struggling in the qualifiers. I dont know why you would have to make this weird point as surly it would only make sense for a league like ours, not a league with massive teams expecting to reach multiple knockout rounds.
pineapple stu
24/05/2023, 7:23 PM
What's a weird point? You said they scored less than Ireland, which is true - but it's very relevant that all their teams skipped a round and didn't get points for that round.
Kiki Balboa
24/05/2023, 8:07 PM
What's a weird point? You said they scored less than Ireland, which is true - but it's very relevant that all their teams skipped a round and didn't get points for that round.
The year before Paok got to the quarter-finals of the Europa League.
Missing out on one qualifying round should not be expected to affect a league of this stature so much.
anyway, the original point was just about how Greek football is struggling at the moment. Nothing more or less.
pineapple stu
24/05/2023, 8:26 PM
It was a bad year, sure.
But if you're going to compare their season directly to the LoI, it's important to note that they skipped four rounds they'd have been expected to win in fairness
joey B
24/05/2023, 8:39 PM
Danny Grant departed Huddersfield,good chance he’ll end up back here I’d imagine,seems to have had alot of injuries over there though….
Martinho II
24/05/2023, 8:42 PM
Danny Grant departed Huddersfield,good chance he’ll end up back here I’d imagine,seems to have had alot of injuries over there though….
Thats one player I didnt hear much off. Did DG get playing time for Huddersfield?
2 Year Contract
24/05/2023, 10:13 PM
Thats one player I didnt hear much off. Did DG get playing time for Huddersfield?
None at all, got a couple of bad long term injuries and didn’t make a first team appearance in his 2 and a half years there. He was loaned out to Harrogate in league 2 this season but hasn’t made an appearance since March after making 25 league apps and no goals before that.
Jack B
25/05/2023, 2:37 PM
I know a lad that supports Huddersfield that said the fans there were generally quite excited by him, and he did well for their U23s etc when building his fitness but that in itself was the problem as he could never get any kind of run together.
RealJohn91
25/05/2023, 3:11 PM
His hamstrings were a problem before he went over too, Long used to constantly talk about how he had to be managed to try and prevent him getting strains and pulls. Would take him back at Dalyer in a heartbeat though. He was electric at times in his first spell and would be an upgrade on most of the wingers at the club if he can recapture that form.
joey B
01/06/2023, 12:23 PM
Jordan Adeyamo departs Wexford,appeared to be a decent signing for Wexford that one but hasn’t worked out….
outspoken
01/06/2023, 1:08 PM
Jordan Adeyamo departs Wexford,appeared to be a decent signing for Wexford that one but hasn’t worked out….
A good summary of wexford in general this season
pateen
01/06/2023, 7:51 PM
Whose the German lad that's arrived at Harps?
nigel-harps1954
01/06/2023, 7:58 PM
Whose the German lad that's arrived at Harps?
Goalkeeper, Tim Hiemer. Has been there all season.
Any news on Cork City FC's manager vacancy!
Any names being mentioned that could be in the mix!
:confused:
sbgawa
06/06/2023, 2:00 PM
Matty Smith who started last night for Shels againt Drogsis apparantly going on Love Island.
Bit of an extreme reaction to having Gary Deegan chasing you around but understandable i suppose :)
Shels bettre hope he gets kicked off the island early
JC_GUFC
06/06/2023, 2:28 PM
Matty Smith who started last night for Shels againt Drogsis apparantly going on Love Island.
Bit of an extreme reaction to having Gary Deegan chasing you around but understandable i suppose :)
Shels bettre hope he gets kicked off the island early
:D
It's their sub keeper (or ex-sub keeper at this stage) Scott van der Sluis
Hasn't been in the squad the last few weeks.
sbgawa
06/06/2023, 3:45 PM
:D
It's their sub keeper (or ex-sub keeper at this stage) Scott van der Sluis
Hasn't been in the squad the last few weeks.
That makes more sense alright........., at least Gary Deegan can't be blamed :)
Longfordian
06/06/2023, 8:43 PM
I wasn't aware of his existence until I read this but yeah he looks the type that'd be on the show.
pateen
09/06/2023, 4:52 PM
When does the transfer window for the league open?
nigel-harps1954
09/06/2023, 5:02 PM
When does the transfer window for the league open?
1st July
sulywaterfordfc
09/06/2023, 8:06 PM
:D
It's their sub keeper (or ex-sub keeper at this stage) Scott van der Sluis
Hasn't been in the squad the last few weeks.
Read an article that didn’t name the player, but they mentioned he has agreed his release with his now ex club.
De Town
10/06/2023, 8:42 AM
Aodh Dervin to Galway in July.
Good luck.
Longfordian
10/06/2023, 12:27 PM
I thought that might happen..oh well.
Kiki Balboa
10/06/2023, 12:43 PM
Aodh Dervin to Galway in July.
Good luck.
Thats a pitty. I feel (as an outsider of course) like Dervin is mixed with Longford Town an identity off the pitch at the moment.
joey B
10/06/2023, 12:45 PM
On a 2 1/2 year deal apparently,Galway getting their squad together for next season already…..
nigel-harps1954
10/06/2023, 1:48 PM
I don't really buy the hype over Dervin. I think he was found out at Shels last year as not up to Premier Division quality. He's a hard worker and a tough midfielder, but First Division is definitely his level.
outspoken
10/06/2023, 1:53 PM
Thats a pitty. I feel (as an outsider of course) like Dervin is mixed with Longford Town an identity off the pitch at the moment.
We've no identity at the moment.
joey B
10/06/2023, 2:24 PM
Personally think Galway is a great move for Dervin,I’d be higher on him than others but I’d fancy Caulfield and Horgan to get the best out of him and find a good role in what you’d imagine will be a tough enough season back in the top flight….
The Bowler
10/06/2023, 2:32 PM
Seen a fair bit of Dervin. Thinks he's an extremely limited footballer. Rats around in midfield, decent engine, but very limited on the ball
Martinho II
10/06/2023, 5:21 PM
Seen a fair bit of Dervin. Thinks he's an extremely limited footballer. Rats around in midfield, decent engine, but very limited on the ball
He talks a good battle but doenst have the substance to match it!
pineapple stu
11/06/2023, 10:21 AM
U21 international Ollie O'Neill's loan at Derry has ended and he's returned to Fulham.
Don't know are any of the other Euro teams likely to lose a couple of players that way before the campaigns begin? Pat's and Dundalk have had a fair few loanees in recent years I think?
brendy_éire
11/06/2023, 12:26 PM
U21 international Ollie O'Neill's loan at Derry has ended and he's returned to Fulham.
Don't know are any of the other Euro teams likely to lose a couple of players that way before the campaigns begin? Pat's and Dundalk have had a fair few loanees in recent years I think?
O'Neill didn't get much game time, and didn't impress all that much really. I don't think they sorts of loans from English clubs is doing much good for this league or the players themselves.
Just rumours, but both are Kavanaghs may be loaned out in July. I'd presume if that is the case, we've a few new signings lined up.
2 Year Contract
11/06/2023, 1:18 PM
U21 international Ollie O'Neill's loan at Derry has ended and he's returned to Fulham.
Don't know are any of the other Euro teams likely to lose a couple of players that way before the campaigns begin? Pat's and Dundalk have had a fair few loanees in recent years I think?
Jay McGrath at pats is only on loan until the end of this month but Coventry have announced he's been released at the end of the month by them so I’d imagine he may sign a permanent deal depending on what options he has. Aside from that, we’ve Conor Carty on loan from Bolton until the end of the season and Vladislav Kreida on loan from Flora Tallin until the end of the season although I saw an article from Estonian media where their manager is quoted as saying he can be recalled by them up to a certain point and they’re considering doing so as they’re light in options in midfield. Kreida hasn’t featured much at all since Daly came in (even being left out of the matchday squad at times) so I wouldn’t be surprised if he did head back home which wouldn’t be a major loss at all to Pats as he’s been pretty average at best in his 11 appearances so far
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