Covid 19 - LOI Ramifications

[ontheotherhand]

I am not privy to the discussions before the vote, but was it in Dundalk's self interest to vote for the 1 up 1 down?
Perhaps they voted for it with good reason after the decision had already been accepted to severely compromise the league schedule format.

Cant see a good reason but they do play Waterford and Sligo at the end of the second series. It would be helpful if one of those clubs was already down and one wasn't fighting to avoid the playoff.

Their first move was an attempt to wipe rovers lead off the board by claiming the first games should be erased if relegation wasnt part of the plan. The sensible take being that no relegation would result in clubs at the bottom having no incentive to win games so its odd that they now prefer an option that could have a similar, if not as extreme result. Maybe they thought they'd gone in too hard on the bottom clubs by making relegation essential and then decided to agree to the softest relegation possible.

[Ezeikial]

I know you struggle with this but I very specifically said Sligo and Waterford as a whole and Pats owner as an individual

Managing a whole post without any expletives (and only 1 barb) is unusual for you

You want to "**** off" the owner of St Pats who bankrolls the club, but also keep them in the reduced 8 team league - brilliant

[Martinho II]

I see Sligo the big arrogant f**kers have a gofund me on the go now aswell,state of them trying to survive and expecting help in a global pandemic!

That David Roe their treasurer must be getting appearance money from OTB hes always on it!
I thought they were one of the better run clubs?

[Martinho II]

On a different note I saw a good tweet from Dodge (ex foot.ie) last night. Its the first time since the 62-63 season since there was an 18 game season. The reason was there was only ten teams in it!

[DCSIL]

Sligo Rovers fundraiser hits 30k in less than 24 hours. The local community steps up to back them again.

[placid casual]

Sligo Rovers fundraiser hits 30k in less than 24 hours. The local community steps up to back them again.
And the sligo treasurer continues to laugh up his sleeve. His teams UK imports can get paid now-the same lads who have them on the bottom of the league.

[redarmyfaction]

Managing a whole post without any expletives (and only 1 barb) is unusual for you

You want to "**** off" the owner of St Pats who bankrolls the club, but also keep them in the reduced 8 team league - brilliant

What is it with the Dale Farm? Here they are after rigging the league for themselves and the bitterness is more bilious than eva.

[RathfarnhamHoop]

Managing a whole post without any expletives (and only 1 barb) is unusual for you

You want to "**** off" the owner of St Pats who bankrolls the club, but also keep them in the reduced 8 team league - brilliant

Oh yeah I forgot it was impossible for football clubs to change ownership...

[Nah Nah Nah Nah]

That David Roe their treasurer must be getting appearance money from OTB hes always on it!
I thought they were one of the better run clubs?

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[D24Saint]

Sligo Rovers fundraiser hits 30k in less than 24 hours. The local community steps up to back them again.

Great to see the community backing their club , sligo always was a great football town.

[sbgawa]

But of course Noel Byrne is the great fella for his self-serving actions for Shamrock Rovers and Shamrock Rovers only, abusing the position he was elected to to represent the view of the majority of Premier clubs. Yeah.

It's great when people haven't a clue what they are talking about ..lol. the NLEC is an independent 7 man committee that are supposed to vote in the best interests of Irish football. Not the premier league best interests or the first division or the underage. The vote was 5 to 2 so even if the rovers rep had voted the other way it would still have been carried. The express purpose of the NLEC is to decide on issues putting self interest aside.

[The Lilywhites]

It's great when people haven't a clue what they are talking about ..lol

Isn't it. Do catch up.

[sbgawa]

Lol.
Trying to decide which is funnier that you think the NLEC members were elected to represent their divisions when the terms of reference are the exact opposite to that asking for independent decision making in the committee in the best interests of the entire football community or one of your other random posts ....I'll stick with your complete misunderstanding of the NLEC but it's close

[The Lilywhites]

It was self interest from your mate Byrne that swung the vote and looked after your club and your club only. Spin it whatever way you want.

Anyway, the way it's going the FAI will have to overrule the vote.

[RathfarnhamHoop]

Jonathan Roche was just on off the ball and pointed out that basically everything the Sligo idiot said was bull****. There was no vote on which proposal to support 9/10 clubs simply said that they liked the proposal, that's a completely different thing. 3/10 clubs also switched to that opinion just to make it a unity in numbers thing, well that worked didn't it.
The NLEC members are also not mandated to have the same view as their own club nevermind the league. They are on the board to use their own individual judgement to decide what action they think is best for the league.

And still there's not a single sentence to back up how it was in Rovers self interest to vote that way...

[sbgawa]

Bit funny accusing rovers of self interest for voting against the self interest of Sligo and Waterford who are just trying to save their skins and to he'll with Galway drogs etc.

Go and read up on the simple rules and objectives
of the NLEC rather than keep banging on.
Sometimes it's better to stay silent and let people think you are a fool rather than open your mouth and prove it

[The Lilywhites]

Sometimes it's better to stay silent and let people think you are a fool rather than open your mouth and prove it

Agreed. Yourself and Rathfarnham Hoop should really stay quiet tbh.

[RathfarnhamHoop]

Sometimes it's better to stay silent and let people think you are a fool rather than open your mouth and prove it

Oh we are way way past that point with Lillywhites, sure the league should have been cancelled back in March anyway.

[D24Saint]

The bitch fest between Rovers & Dundalk supporters is getting a bit much.

[RathfarnhamHoop]

The bitch fest between Rovers & Dundalk supporters is getting a bit much.

I mean the fact that this discussion has nothing to do with dundalk yet here they are tells you all you need to know about that I think

[The Lilywhites]

Pat's have sent a letter on behalf of the 9 clubs, it seems.

https://www.the42.ie/league-of-ireland-8-5139005-Jul2020/


“Collectively, the Premier Division Clubs will invest in the region of €10m in the domestic game this year, over 10 times that invested by the First Division and yet we find ourselves dictated to by them and the Executives of the FAI.

[D24Saint]

Pat's have sent a letter on behalf of the 9 clubs, it seems.

https://www.the42.ie/league-of-ireland-8-5139005-Jul2020/

Dont agree with a two tier system your skin in the game shouldn’t be based on budget. The FD clubs are entitled to their say.

[disgruntled]

Dont agree with a two tier system your skin in the game shouldn’t be based on budget. The FD clubs are entitled to their say.

All clubs are equal but some are more equal than others 😏
Every LOI club should be treated equally no matter what their means are.

[placid casual]

I can fully understand cork, pats, Harps, waterford and sligo voting for only 1 down But what about bohs, derry, dundalk and shels? Are they just going along with the status quo for the sake of it? do they want games against opposition who know they're safe so could thus boost their chances of Europe? I just hope it isn't some anti-Rovers agenda ( he says, paranoid 🙄😊), cos if so it's laughable in the extreme.
For what it's worth I've no earthly idea why Rovers voted this way- The graveyard teams showed their ignorance when refusing to discuss 1st division matters until Rovers left the room, so f*** them from a height I say.

[NeverFeltBetter]

You'd think the PD and FD were barely tied together at all. Any club in the top tier - and I mean any club - could find themselves in the lower tier very quickly. We've all seen it happen. Turning your nose up at their opinions is just begging for karmic retribution.

[geysir]

Cant see a good reason but they do play Waterford and Sligo at the end of the second series. It would be helpful if one of those clubs was already down and one wasn't fighting to avoid the playoff.

Their first move was an attempt to wipe rovers lead off the board by claiming the first games should be erased if relegation wasnt part of the plan. The sensible take being that no relegation would result in clubs at the bottom having no incentive to win games so its odd that they now prefer an option that could have a similar, if not as extreme result. Maybe they thought they'd gone in too hard on the bottom clubs by making relegation essential and then decided to agree to the softest relegation possible.
Relegation had to remain if the league were to resume from where it was, therefore Dundalk's (start from scratch) position was rational if relegation was to be removed.

It was put forward here that self interest motivated those 9 PD clubs to vote for one up one down, not rationality.
Personally I think Dundalk's current self interests are better served with the original relegation format, not one up one down.
I'd see it more as a vote of PD solidarity, that a 50% truncated schedule in an imposed economic crisis now alters issues (of survival?) to some other of the PD clubs and reducing the threat of relegation offers some relief.
I don't know what Shamrock R's. motivation was, but in itself breaking with solidarity is a dubious move.
It might even backfire against them

[Martinho II]

I understand the divisions between the two leagues but dont forget its not that long ago that us,Finn Harps,Bray and Drogheda Utd had sustained spells in the top flight and we all deserve a equal say. Fair play to Shamrock Rovers for backing us they know what its to be in the first Division.
As was pointed out before Cork,Derry nearly went to the wall and went down. Bohs nearly went down over 20 years ago. Its an easy thing to happen.

[joey B]

There's no right or wrong answer in this,everyone's opinion is shaped by what's better for them and their situation,if Longford and Harps position's were reversed their stance's would likely be reversed etc etc etc.
I hope relegation/promotion keeps the same format it was at the start of the season,look at the UK where the likes of Hearts and Tranmere were relegated in far worse circumstances than anything that will happen here,time to play and see where the card's fall........

[joey B]

''BREAKING |
@SSEAirtricityLg
2020 season resumption

The Board of the Football Association of Ireland has this evening approved the decision of the NLEC, made on the 30th of June, to resume the SSE Airtricity League.''

Over to the clubs!

[The Lilywhites]

What time is Rowe on Off The Ball?

[D24Saint]

Hopefully fixtures will be out soon.

[NeverFeltBetter]

I presume this is the end of the matter. The clubs have talked big before and caved, this should be no different.

[Martinho II]

Seen it in Sun today that Sligo will continue to play on even if they disagree. Suppose its silent protest.

[placid casual]

Protests are continuing it seems. Can't see the league starting on 31st July now. I can't lie, if and when these clubs go to the wall they won't be missed.

[D24Saint]

Protests are continuing it seems. Can't see the league starting on 31st July now. I can't lie, if and when these clubs go to the wall they won't be missed.

Like the condescending ramblings of rovers fans on here.

[pineapple stu]

Protests are continuing it seems. Can't see the league starting on 31st July now. I can't lie, if and when these clubs go to the wall they won't be missed.
Fairly big game of chicken to be playing if so surely?

Is it really worth it?

[NeverFeltBetter]

We'll get that single tier one way or the other!

[DCSIL]

Bray Wanderers launch fundraiser

https://braywanderersfc.ie/wanderers-launch-fundraising-campaign-ahead-of-footballs-return/

Will sbgawa be contributing? :rolleyes:

[sbgawa]

St josephs launch fundraiser

https://braywanderersfc.ie/wanderers-launch-fundraising-campaign-ahead-of-footballs-return/

Will sbgawa be contributing? :rolleyes:

Fixed that for you ;)

[wonder88]

I take it small crowds will be allowed at games. We have to adopt some common sense, if schools are going to open end August then 700 at a soccer game outdoors should be allowed ?.

[Martinho II]

I take it small crowds will be allowed at games. We have to adopt some common sense, if schools are going to open end August then 700 at a soccer game outdoors should be allowed ?.

We will just have to wait for confirmation as I asked that question to our media manager and he said that its up to the government so interesting to see what happens.

[Zenith]

The logistics of recording details for contact tracing before each game will be as much of a barrier as the physical measures (barriers, sanitising surfaces, etc.). Pain in the arse for most clubs from a technology and GDPR perspective.

[D24Saint]

https://www.irishmirror.ie/sport/soccer/soccer-news/sse-airtricity-league-clubs-play-22331339

No fans at allowed at uefa games.

[Bucket]

I wonder will category 4 stadiums still be required in the latter qualifying rounds?

[nigel-harps1954]

I wonder will category 4 stadiums still be required in the latter qualifying rounds?

Cat 4 isn't just about seating capacity though. There's a hell of a lot of other requirements. I doubt if the likes of Oriel will be allowed in later stages regardless of crowds.

[Bucket]

The criteria is stuff like VIP parking, VIP hospitality, different access routes for opposing fans, transport links, etc., none of which matters if there will be nobody there!

[nigel-harps1954]

The criteria is stuff like VIP parking, VIP hospitality, different access routes for opposing fans, transport links, etc., none of which matters if there will be nobody there!

More media areas, larger medical areas, extra TV studios, larger broadcast areas, extra camera space, and yes, sufficient parking for away team and officials. Quite large stumbling blocks for three of the teams involved in Europe.

[Bucket]

I can't argue with that

[Nesta99]

Depends on opposition also on how UEFA allow dispensation for earlier rounds. No supporters and it is a tad easier to meet criteria also. Not what anyone wants - rather play in Turners Cross with a crowd than Oriel Park empty eg.

[nigel-harps1954]

Rovers friendly with PSG off due to uncertainty over travel restrictions.