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pateen
30/10/2013, 1:43 PM
Irelands Number 1
Me hole!!
Something drastic needs done.
Hopefully that's promotion! Regardless though, the whole play off's, regardless of results, might have rekindled the interest around the place.
As for the position of the ground, ideally something walking distance would be better, however, little chance of a green field site much nearer the way things went in Longford (you'd be talking out by the bypass probably, which would be the guts of 3km from the town anyway). Abbeycartron (not that near the town centre) could never really have been brought up to standard, so then you'd be looking at sharing somewhere like the dog track which would be pretty cramped too. To be honest, it's just another one of those excuses that's used - anyone from outside the town has to drive anyway, and anyone in the outer estates probably taxi's it into town if they were going for a pint anyway, but moan about a couple of quid the bit out the road on top.
Charlie Darwin
30/10/2013, 2:37 PM
It wasn't built 100 years ago and it was a crazy decision to build it out there where the vast majority of the clubs support had no means of getting to a game. Finn Harps ground is in the middle of the town, Sligo Rovers is a walk from anywhere in the town and when Limerick go back to Markets Field watch their support grow.
40 years ago then, or whenever it was built. It's a couple of miles outside of the town, 5 minutes by road. It takes me longer to get to Dalymount. Although, to be fair, I had no idea the "vast majority" of Sligo's support had no access to a car so my knowledge might be outdated.
BonnieShels
30/10/2013, 2:41 PM
40 years ago then, or whenever it was built. It's a couple of miles outside of the town, 5 minutes by road. It takes me longer to get to Dalymount. Although, to be fair, I had no idea the "vast majority" of Sligo's support had no access to a car so my knowledge might be outdated.
And you don't even have a direct bus...
Acornvilla
30/10/2013, 2:49 PM
Pretty sure it's not even 20 years old...
nigel-harps1954
30/10/2013, 3:40 PM
Didn't Longford run a free bus from the town before that had to be cancelled because nobody was getting it?
Nah Nah Nah Nah
30/10/2013, 6:27 PM
40 years ago then, or whenever it was built. It's a couple of miles outside of the town, 5 minutes by road. It takes me longer to get to Dalymount. Although, to be fair, I had no idea the "vast majority" of Sligo's support had no access to a car so my knowledge might be outdated.
What would Sligo have to do with the vast majority of Longfords support? Away fans will go to grounds no matter where they are in a town / city.
And I would have thought that you, more then anyone, would have understood that the location of a ground has a huge impact in a teams regular following
Charlie Darwin
30/10/2013, 6:42 PM
I think I may have meant Longford.
Martinho II
30/10/2013, 7:28 PM
Didn't Longford run a free bus from the town before that had to be cancelled because nobody was getting it?
correct in 98/99 and 99/00 seasons..
Longfordian
30/10/2013, 7:36 PM
Hopefully that's promotion! Regardless though, the whole play off's, regardless of results, might have rekindled the interest around the place.
As for the position of the ground, ideally something walking distance would be better, however, little chance of a green field site much nearer the way things went in Longford (you'd be talking out by the bypass probably, which would be the guts of 3km from the town anyway). Abbeycartron (not that near the town centre) could never really have been brought up to standard, so then you'd be looking at sharing somewhere like the dog track which would be pretty cramped too. To be honest, it's just another one of those excuses that's used - anyone from outside the town has to drive anyway, and anyone in the outer estates probably taxi's it into town if they were going for a pint anyway, but moan about a couple of quid the bit out the road on top.
If it was in the town there'd be another excuse as you say. They got fourteen acres or whatever is out there in a swap for one building in the town. It was a no brainer really, lots of space out there to develop great facilities that will hopefully provide off the field revenue. Two brand new full length pitches being put in, dressing rooms too I think.
PartySaint
30/10/2013, 7:58 PM
Wow, what game was that 857 for Rovers? Surely they took in no money that night as I'd imagine probably 95% of that crowd would have been season ticket holders
Corks lowest crowd of the season 1,444 shows once again that they are the best supported club in the country, they are the only team in the LOI who could average over 2,000 in the First Division.
Good Bohs crowds this season considering their position, they have very strong hardcore base of fans.
As far as I know Pats only count paying customers on the night so our average is probably a few hundred higher, some very good crowds throughout the season for some games.
nigel-harps1954
30/10/2013, 8:08 PM
Wow, what game was that 857 for Rovers? Surely they took in no money that night as I'd imagine probably 95% of that crowd would have been season ticket holders
Monday 30th September v Bray. Was an absolutely horrible night, full round of Premier fixtures with poor attendances right across the board if I remember right.
Corks lowest crowd of the season 1,444 shows once again that they are the best supported club in the country, they are the only team in the LOI who could average over 2,000 in the First Division.
100%. Cracking support again given it was their worst season in a long time attendance wise.
Good Bohs crowds this season considering their position, they have very strong hardcore base of fans.
Agreed. They'd be a massive loss to the Premier, but a welcome addition to the First, as someone already in the First.
As far as I know Pats only count paying customers on the night so our average is probably a few hundred higher, some very good crowds throughout the season for some games.
This goes for most clubs in fairness.
PartySaint
30/10/2013, 8:22 PM
Agreed. They'd be a massive loss to the Premier, but a welcome addition to the First, as someone already in the First.
You've been spending too much time concentrating on attendances and not enough on the league table, Bohs didn't go down ;)
Good work by the way with the thread.
http://extratime.ie/fixtures/detail/18043/2/
Let's be completely fair now.
Ok then, 4 days later when a game mattered.
Oct 30 Played Dundalk 2 - 2 Waterford United 1,500 (est) League Promotion Playoff
Longfordian
30/10/2013, 8:43 PM
999 official attendance against mervue on Friday night (there were a few later comers tho so 1000 for all intended purposes). That would be our 2nd highest home attendance of the season after 1115 against athlone.
This was actually a wind up started by a Town official I'm told, the proper attendance was apparently around 1200. Put it in at 1100 to be on the safe side.
Charlie Darwin
30/10/2013, 8:45 PM
Ok then, 4 days later when a game mattered.
Oct 30 Played Dundalk 2 - 2 Waterford United 1,500 (est) League Promotion Playoff
Right, so an average of about 850 over the two games.
As far as I know Pats only count paying customers on the night so our average is probably a few hundred higher, some very good crowds throughout the season for some games.
We've been through this many times before, and that is incorrect. Clubs who report an actual attendance as opposed to an estimated calculate as follows.
Payed in fans, then add this figure to the total ST holders amount, regardless if they attended or not. This is the final figure.
The only figures not included are media, sponsors, club officials, club workers and a small away compliment. Our figure for this on average, and quite correctly not added to any attendance is around 125-150, max, possibly even as low as 100.
Pats follow same format, so there is no extra figure to be added, apart from the above small excess.
Oh and thanks to Nigel for taking the time and having the interest to keep this going during 2013, it was very much appreciated.
Right, so an average of about 850 over the two games.
Probably, but the biggest surprise for me during 2012, was that our average was even close to 950. This was possibly, no it was certainly the worst Dundalk side I saw in my time going, and that's all the way back to 78/79. I'd even rate some of the poorer FD seasons as better quality.
avvenalaf
31/10/2013, 12:53 AM
Move to Tarmonbarry, I say. Better pub grub
Charlie Darwin
31/10/2013, 1:04 AM
Move to Tarmonbarry, I say. Better pub grub
If the FA had any sense, they'd have taken the common sense approach and taken control of all the clubs like the IRFU and moved them all to a central location like Tarmonbarry. Can you imagine the bumper crowds we'd all get in a central location and football hotbed like Tarmonbarry?
peadar1987
31/10/2013, 7:16 AM
If the FA had any sense, they'd have taken the common sense approach and taken control of all the clubs like the IRFU and moved them all to a central location like Tarmonbarry. Can you imagine the bumper crowds we'd all get in a central location and football hotbed like Tarmonbarry?
Maybe fair weather supporters like BonnieShels would switch over to a franchise blow-in team, but true die hards would always stay loyal to Termonbarry Thistle
nigel-harps1954
31/10/2013, 1:53 PM
You've been spending too much time concentrating on attendances and not enough on the league table, Bohs didn't go down ;)
Good work by the way with the thread.
Now, I'm no grammar whizz, or literary genius, but, as far as I'm aware, the abbreviated they'd, is a short version of 'they would'.
i.e. They would be a great addition to the First Division for someone who watches pi$$ poor crowds every week, sadly though, it's not going to happen because they were not, in fact, relegated.
;)
L.T.F.C.
31/10/2013, 2:54 PM
correct in 98/99 and 99/00 seasons..
I think it should be looked at again. Times are wildly different.
Longfordian
31/10/2013, 2:57 PM
Whilst we're not rich now there would be a little more cash in the club these days, particularly if we went up. I'm sure the cost could be at least partly covered by sponsorship.
sligoman
31/10/2013, 3:31 PM
They got fourteen acres or whatever is out there in a swap for one building in the town. It was a no brainer really, lots of space out there to develop great facilities that will hopefully provide off the field revenue. Two brand new full length pitches being put in, dressing rooms too I think.Who's this, Longford?
Eminence Grise
31/10/2013, 3:38 PM
Maybe fair weather supporters like BonnieShels would switch over to a franchise blow-in team, but true die hards would always stay loyal to Termonbarry Thistle
That shower of landgrabbing b******s that came over with Cromwell's Scottish regiments? Long memories in that part of the world, Peadar. Very. Long. Memories.
peadar1987
31/10/2013, 4:14 PM
That shower of landgrabbing b******s that came over with Cromwell's Scottish regiments? Long memories in that part of the world, Peadar. Very. Long. Memories.
Here, at least we have history dating back 300 years before any other football clubs were formed, you're just jealous of our heritage and our fleg!
Longfordian
31/10/2013, 4:32 PM
Who's this, Longford?
Yeah. "They" being the committee in place at the time.
PartySaint
31/10/2013, 7:24 PM
We've been through this many times before, and that is incorrect. Clubs who report an actual attendance as opposed to an estimated calculate as follows.
Payed in fans, then add this figure to the total ST holders amount, regardless if they attended or not. This is the final figure.
The only figures not included are media, sponsors, club officials, club workers and a small away compliment. Our figure for this on average, and quite correctly not added to any attendance is around 125-150, max, possibly even as low as 100.
Pats follow same format, so there is no extra figure to be added, apart from the above small excess.
Sorry I didn't know you were such an expert about how Pats go about counting crowds on match night.
If I have any Pats related queries I'll be sure to get in touch with you first in future.
Keen2win
31/10/2013, 8:04 PM
What was in Bray for the play-off game? Very disappointed with their crowd, time for a change, time for them to go down, us to go up and everyone, bar Bray, to be happy!
dundalkfc10
31/10/2013, 8:16 PM
What was attendance for the play off match?
nigel-harps1954
31/10/2013, 11:35 PM
What was attendance for the play off match?
44,375
avvenalaf
01/11/2013, 12:55 PM
44,375
Total exaggeration. I counted 36,836
nigel-harps1954
01/11/2013, 1:19 PM
Total exaggeration. I counted 36,836
You're forgetting the season ticket holders. They left them out of the final count.
Charlie Darwin
01/11/2013, 1:52 PM
You're forgetting the season ticket holders. They left them out of the final count.
I have it on good authority the 5,000-strong Athlone committee was also there in an observational capacity.
dundalkfc10
01/11/2013, 1:56 PM
Cheers :think:
BonnieShels
01/11/2013, 2:20 PM
Maybe fair weather supporters like BonnieShels would switch over to a franchise blow-in team, but true die hards would always stay loyal to Termonbarry Thistle
Excuse me?
Fair weather?
Never heard of the Thistle before today. I thought you were an Alberts man. Turncoat.
And it's Termonbarry!
Longfordian
01/11/2013, 3:07 PM
Cheers :think:
I don't know what Bray's stands hold so it's hard to provide a figure but to give a total guess, somewhere around 1200-1500.
Sorry I didn't know you were such an expert about how Pats go about counting crowds on match night.
If I have any Pats related queries I'll be sure to get in touch with you first in future.
No probs, and please do........................also I meant to say on the two games I was at in Richmond this season, the crowds reported on the night looked to be about right. Zero point in trying to invent extra figures that simply do not exist.
red bellied
01/11/2013, 8:39 PM
2,500 in Longford tonight according to their local radio.
avvenalaf
01/11/2013, 9:37 PM
Great crowd and a cracker of a match between two sides who couldn't defend OJ Simpson. Longford were done as they should have had a free before the Bray winner.
gufc2000
01/11/2013, 10:13 PM
2749 in Longford according to RTE, fantastic crowd. Despite the disappointing outcome of the result, it shows the market is out there for Longford to attract a good fanbase.
Longfordian
01/11/2013, 10:32 PM
Great crowd and a cracker of a match between two sides who couldn't defend OJ Simpson. Longford were done as they should have had a free before the Bray winner.
Yeah we were very shaky but we were really down to the bare bones at the back and it showed. We had Corie Treacy, Willo McDonagh, Des Hope, Brian McCarthy and Willie Tyrell all unavailable or not fully fit. Deans had retired and Rhys Gorman never played centre back before last Monday night.
NeverFeltBetter
01/11/2013, 11:21 PM
2749 in Longford according to RTE, fantastic crowd. Despite the disappointing outcome of the result, it shows the market is out there for Longford to attract a good fanbase.
Same stuff was said about Waterford after their play-off defeat last season. Never made good on it.
Longfordian
02/11/2013, 2:38 AM
Just to put the crowd in perspective it's our biggest home crowd since the league cup final of 2004
Green&whitearmy
02/11/2013, 9:17 AM
I say there was around 1500 at the 1st leg in bray, the tent holds 1000 and I'd say between behind the goal and the dart side there was around 5-600.
Great crowd in longford last night, hopefully they keep going and can help get you up next year, And that was probably brays biggest away crowd since the play off game in Galway a few years ago, shame really.
outspoken
02/11/2013, 8:08 PM
I say there was around 1500 at the 1st leg in bray, the tent holds 1000 and I'd say between behind the goal and the dart side there was around 5-600.
Great crowd in longford last night, hopefully they keep going and can help get you up next year, And that was probably brays biggest away crowd since the play off game in Galway a few years ago, shame really.
Extratime had it at 900 for the first leg
Green&whitearmy
03/11/2013, 9:44 AM
And how often are extratime right in guessing attendances?? I'm there every week, I'm sure I'd have a better idea then most people.
Bray Head
05/11/2013, 9:10 AM
Extratime way off again. 1,500 was about correct for first game of play off.
Not sure how thay can estimate from the press box in the Carlisle when its enclosed and you can't see the away side of the ground. Fair play to Longford fans as quite a few of them travelled to the first game as well.
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