Close Season/Pre-Season Rumours

[bullit]

Good interview with Stephen Kenny here.Mentions his times at Derry,Longford,Shams etc..,also talks about Jim McLaughlin,pitch and stadium at Dundalk and a few other things.....

http://www.dundalkfc.com/audio-im-optimistic-coming-here-kenny/

[bullit]

Dundalk and Derry forums both saying that Mark Griffin is Derry bound.

[Ezeikial]

Dundalk and Derry forums both saying that Mark Griffin is Derry bound.

Not so fast!

Still remains to be seen what way the ball bounces here. Griffs agent is pushing hard for a move, Griff himself not so sure

[brendy_éire]

Heard Dundalk want €20k for him though.

[Flexy]

Heard Dundalk want €20k for him though.
I thought Griffin was out of contract, if he is then Derry shouldnt have to pay anything. Heard griffin wants to go but dundalk are demanding £20k compensation. Compensation is only paid if they are still under contract.

[Olander]

I thought Griffin was out of contractRight.


if he is then Derry shouldnt have to pay anything.Wrong.


Compensation is only paid if they are still under contract.Wrong. As he's under the age of 23, Dundalk would be due compensation. Griffin's youth club, Muirhevnamor, would also be due a "development" fee.

The case would be similar to the Alan Murphy transfer a few years ago, where Derry City had to pay Galway United €22k in compensation, the fee was determined by a tribunal and Murphy's last club (Ballinrobe Town I believe) were awarded around €2k.

[Flexy]

Right.

Wrong.

Wrong. As he's under the age of 24, Dundalk would be due compensation. Griffin's youth club, Muirhevnamor, would also be due a "development" fee.

The case would be similar to the Alan Murphy transfer a few years ago, where Derry City had to pay Galway United €22k in compensation, the fee was determined by a tribunal and Murphy's last club (Ballinrobe Town I believe) were awarded around €2k.
The legal issue of it is, is that if his contract runs out, dundalk need to have offered him a similar contract within 6 mths of his contract running out. With dundalk not paying his wages on time last year 1) dundalk have breached the terms of his contract & 2) with 6 mths to go were not in a position to offer any players out of contract new terms. So from a legal position my view is derry are holding the cards here.

[Trainee]

Dundalk will be due some compensation alright, If Derry and Dundalk cant agree the fee, I think it goes to Arbitration and they set the fee which both clubs must agree on.

http://www.fai.ie/football-services-a-education/player-a-club-services/fifa-solidarity-and-compensation-payments.html

[colonelwest]

The legal issue of it is, is that if his contract runs out, dundalk need to have offered him a similar contract within 6 mths of his contract running out. With dundalk not paying his wages on time last year 1) dundalk have breached the terms of his contract & 2) with 6 mths to go were not in a position to offer any players out of contract new terms. So from a legal position my view is derry are holding the cards here.

Nope, once a player is under 23 and offered the same or higher terms than his last contract then the club are entitled to compensation. The fact that we were behind on wages once in the season has sfa to do with anything, all wages were paid in full. If that was an issue then he and all the other players would have automatically been handed their registration and been on free transfers in the summer. As Olander stated above is the case and another example is we got compo for Tom Miller when he went to Newport County even though he was only at the club a season as we offered him a new contract on the same terms after the season ended.

[oriel]

So from a legal position my view is derry are holding the cards here.

I dont think so, even though wages were missed, once they were paid up to date he remained a DLK player, contract would have been broken only if 2 months were unpaid. Plus the unpaid month was also paid in full.

The proposed move will depend on the player, and he strikes me off a homebird, so I would be surprised if he did leave, and besides, I dont even think Kenny has spoken to the players yet, his first few days was primarily all about PR and meetings.

One thing is for sure, there is no way Kenny will go with Rafter/Griffin as his strikeforce for 2013, so regardless of what happens here, expect to see a quality PD striker to be added to the squad, possibly even two.

[Aaron]

Did Dundalk offer him a contract before his current deal ran out though?

[White Horse]

All this talk of contracts and €20k is premature.

The player has to decide whether his career will develop better under a new Dundalk under Stephen Kenny or at Derry. Not an easy decision.

[Flexy]

Did Dundalk offer him a contract before his current deal ran out though?
Thanks guys for feedback on this, but a contract must be offered 6months before the current deal expires for the compensation rule to take effect for any player u23. I think he will stay at dundalk due to the kenny factor. But wouldnt pay £20k for him

[Ezeikial]

Thanks guys for feedback on this, but a contract must be offered 6months before the current deal expires for the compensation rule to take effect for any player u23.

The requirement is 60 days before contract expiry, and you can take it as read that he got a valid written offer from Dundalk


I think he will stay at dundalk due to the kenny factor. But wouldnt pay £20k for him

Griff has ambitions on a move to the UK, and as White Horse has pointed out, his focus for next season is on where he can develop and catch the eye best to faciliate this possible move.

Stephen Kenny has already spoken to him to outline why he thinks staying at Oriel Pk is in his best interests.

[SwanVsDalton]

Stephen Kenny has already spoken to him to outline why he thinks staying at Oriel Pk is in his best interests.

"Of course Mark, Oriel Park would be the place to be if you're looking for a cross-channel move. Trust me - apart from Paddy McCourt, Niall McGinn, David Forde, James McClean, Danny Lafferty, Mark McChrystal and Conor Sammon, Derry City has zero track record with getting players a successful move across the water."

[Ezeikial]

"Of course Mark, Oriel Park would be the place to be if you're looking for a cross-channel move. Trust me - apart from Paddy McCourt, Niall McGinn, David Forde, James McClean, Danny Lafferty, Mark McChrystal and Conor Sammon, Derry City has zero track record with getting players a successful move across the water."

Stephen Kenny would probably be very familiar with the development of these players. Is there any of them that he did not manage at Derry City?

I imagine that Stephen Kenny is well able to point out his very impressive record of developing and improving players

[oriel]

Or maybe Kenny could say 'Stick with me Mark, as I got almost all of these players mentioned above their moves across the water'

[SwanVsDalton]

Stephen Kenny would probably be very familiar with the development of these players. Is there any of them that he did not manage at Derry City?

I imagine that Stephen Kenny is well able to point out his very impressive record of developing and improving players

Just Sammon. Tongue-in-cheek comment though Kenny didn't have so much success at developing talent at Dunfermline or Rovers. His talent lies more in spotting them rather than bringing them on - maybe Griffin will be flattered into staying.

[SwanVsDalton]

Or maybe Kenny could say 'Stick with me Mark, as I got almost all of these players mentioned above their moves across the water'

Indeed. That's why all those cross channel scouts come to the Brandywell as opposed to whatever club Kenny's managing at the time. ;)

[Longfordian]

Very interesting talk floating around at the LTFC end of year awards dinner. Things are very much looking up if what was being strongly hinted at pans out. New directors (it seems), lack of squad depth being addressed, best players from last season being kept on it seems.

[bullit]

Eamon Zayed has left Iranian side Persepolis.

[dong]

Very interesting talk floating around at the LTFC end of year awards dinner. Things are very much looking up if what was being strongly hinted at pans out. New directors (it seems), lack of squad depth being addressed, best players from last season being kept on it seems.

Was it an awards dinner you were at or an Alfred Hitchcock film?

[brendy_éire]

Eamon Zayed has left Iranian side Persepolis.

Can't see him coming back to the LoI. Afaik, he earned more in a month at Persepolis than he did in as year at the Brandy.
He had a trial a while in Brunei as well. I'd say he'd have a few options in Asia yet.

[El-Pietro]

The requirement is 60 days before contract expiry, and you can take it as read that he got a valid written offer from Dundalk



Griff has ambitions on a move to the UK, and as White Horse has pointed out, his focus for next season is on where he can develop and catch the eye best to faciliate this possible move.

Stephen Kenny has already spoken to him to outline why he thinks staying at Oriel Pk is in his best interests.
its 60 working days. Which is funny, cos Waterford think its 60 days and apparently only offered their deal to young Seani Maguire 60 days and not 60 working days in advance.

has to be sent by registered post too I think as well.

Its funny cos they made a similar mistake last year with Kevin Burns.

[Longfordian]

Was it an awards dinner you were at or an Alfred Hitchcock film?

Yeah it sounds very mysterious I know but nothing was said outright, and as you can tell from the time of the post it was a late one! Just from a few different conversations I had and a few things the chairman said it seems there'll be a new money man on the scene. Well he's not new to the club but he's apparently getting more involved. He's a seriously wealthy individual.

[Keen2win]

Yeah it sounds very mysterious I know but nothing was said outright, and as you can tell from the time of the post it was a late one! Just from a few different conversations I had and a few things the chairman said it seems there'll be a new money man on the scene. Well he's not new to the club but he's apparently getting more involved. He's a seriously wealthy individual.

Who? Or are you allowed to say?

[Acornvilla]

Well, was Munnely ever technically a director before? from what I've heard during last season, he has been looking to up his involvement quite a lot.
Regardless of who it is anyway sounds like the future looks alright, just need to hope Tony gets to grips with the virtues of any tactic other than play lads out of position and hoof to them.

[Jofspring]

its 60 working days. Which is funny, cos Waterford think its 60 days and apparently only offered their deal to young Seani Maguire 60 days and not 60 working days in advance.

has to be sent by registered post too I think as well.

Its funny cos they made a similar mistake last year with Kevin Burns.

Wow that sounds like a serious **** up there.

I take it cork are making a move?

[Longfordian]

Well, was Munnely ever technically a director before? from what I've heard during last season, he has been looking to up his involvement quite a lot.
Regardless of who it is anyway sounds like the future looks alright, just need to hope Tony gets to grips with the virtues of any tactic other than play lads out of position and hoof to them.

No he was never a director. Your sources would appear to be correct but like I said nothing was confirmed outright so we'll have to see what happens.

[El-Pietro]

Wow that sounds like a serious **** up there.

I take it cork are making a move?

I'd be surprised if hes playing in the LOI next year, even more surprised if hes in Cork.

[Spudulika]

Who? Or are you allowed to say?

Don't worry K2W, Athlone fell for that one, Longford escaped the last time :-)

[bluewhitearmy]

Yeah it sounds very mysterious I know but nothing was said outright, and as you can tell from the time of the post it was a late one! Just from a few different conversations I had and a few things the chairman said it seems there'll be a new money man on the scene. Well he's not new to the club but he's apparently getting more involved. He's a seriously wealthy individual.

Are we talking Limerick wealthy or what ?:cool:

[Jofspring]

I'd be surprised if hes playing in the LOI next year, even more surprised if hes in Cork.

Yeah would be surprised also. Don't see any harm in him getting a bit of premier experience before heading over either. Especially if he is going to be playing reserves over in England.

[Longfordian]

Are we talking Limerick wealthy or what ?:cool:

Nah, just Sheikh Mansour wealthy. In all seriousness though I believe he's a multi millionaire. Now that's not to say he'd be throwing extraordinary amounts in but by the sounds of things there will be a few quid extra to spend.

[nigel-harps1954]

Harps board and Chairman putting pressure on the management team to deliver next year. All at Harps are pushing for a serious shot at promotion. Pre-season training in swing already, strength and conditioning coaching with the same lads who worked on the Donegal GAA team this season.

Peter Hutton looking forward to next season and hopes to add 2 or 3 strong players to the squad sooner rather than later.

All the players seem well up for it and confidence in the camp is high. Kevin McHugh also says he has a few years left in him yet.

Also if reports are true, Harps could be set for a little cash injection with an impending move to England for Stephen McLaughlin which would help greatly with squad strengthening.


Stephen Kenny and a few Derry lads also got their fair share of stick last night at the Kevin McHugh testimonial dinner.

[eelmonster]

Stephen Kenny and a few Derry lads also got their fair share of stick last night at the Kevin McHugh testimonial dinner.

Spill the beans! From the noises emanating from Athlone, Longford and Harps, it sounds like the First Division is going to be pretty competitive next season.

[Flexy]

Stephen Kenny and a few Derry lads also got their fair share of stick last night at the Kevin McHugh testimonial dinner.[/QUOTE]
How can any Harps fan give stick to Kenny and Derry City players with Harps lack of success since 1985, & especially their record against DCFC. Thought it would be the other way around :o

[nigel-harps1954]

Stephen Kenny and a few Derry lads also got their fair share of stick last night at the Kevin McHugh testimonial dinner.
How can any Harps fan give stick to Kenny and Derry City players with Harps lack of success since 1985, & especially their record against DCFC. Thought it would be the other way around :o[/QUOTE]


You mean the old extinct Derry that no longer exists? Oh right.


Few of the lads gave him stick for losing money on bets placed on Shamrock Rovers and such things. And generally just for being a Derry manager.


By the sounds of things, the First Division could be very competitive indeed this season.

[Sam_Heggy]

Kenny doesn't miss a trick, trying to convince one of our lads to leave the club ha. Lucky our lad is well up for staying at Harps.

Got to admit, top man and he's football through and through, really hope it works out for him at Dundalk.

Best moment of the night was a very drunken Harps fan giving him serious stick for costing him a bomb over the season with Rovers letting him down on a load of accumulators.

[SwanVsDalton]

Who else from Derry was there out of curiosity?

[nigel-harps1954]

Ruaidhiri Higgins and Mark Farren were there. Not sure who else, if any.

[brendy_éire]

Barry McNamee is off to Nottingham on trial.

[wonder88]

Heard the news about McNamee from someone in America over the weekend. I was impressed with him in the cup final and hope it goes well for him.

[Nah Nah Nah Nah]

Barry McNamee is off to Nottingham on trial.

The Sherrif finally caught him

[SkStu]

whats Ciaran Nangle like, UCD fans? Has signed for Bohs...

[LOI11]

http://www.prldigital.com/blog/?p=279


And James McClean of Premier League outfit Sunderland is backing his former Derry City team-mate Rory Kelly to go far in the competition.

Any derry fans know anything about this player? Has he played in the league of ireland? Read that he has made the last 11 of this contract competition

[Dalymountrower]

whats Ciaran Nangle like, UCD fans? Has signed for Bohs...

In the absence of any UCD fans.... I can say that anytime I saw him I reckoned he was a decent left back. Played under age with Bohs , so he`s coming home!

[pineapple stu]

Oh yeah. He's ok. Solid if not spectacular. Not the worst left-back I've ever seen for us. (That'd be Enda Stevens, bizarrely...!)

[outspoken]

Until he went off McNamee was the MOTM in the cup final was very very impressed with him no wonder he got himself a trial best of luck to him.

[harpstilidie]

http://www.prldigital.com/blog/?p=279



Any derry fans know anything about this player? Has he played in the league of ireland? Read that he has made the last 11 of this contract competition

He's a goalkeeper from Donegal. Played for us this season before he went back over to college in Liverpool. Nothing special tbh. He does some articles for extratime.ie as well.