2005 Attendances

[pineapple stu]

Just wondering, what EL clubs, if any, actually release their official attendances every week? :confused:
Galway, Cork, Bohs and Rovers. Pat's and Limerick used to, but seem to have stopped. Shels, Derry and Drogheda we get figures every now and again for here.

[Bray Head]

Bray vs. Bohs was around 1,700.

[bluemovie]

I'd have a stab at 3,800 at Derry-Pats.
Could be more.

That seems realistic. The Sunday Times gave it as 7700!!!

[pete]

The Sunday Times gave it as 7700!!!

And before anyone suggests it i am not aware any Cork City works for the ST. ;) :eek:

[Speranza]

I don't think 3800 is realistic. Definitly more but the only one providing official figures for us is Maribor so ask him.

[Carlin]

Bray vs. Bohs was around 1,700.

I'd say that's about right.

About 2200 would be a guesstimate for Drogs v Bohs. Don't really know what the ground holds so don't take that as gospel.

[monkey magic]

fair play to sligo, im sure someone may have mentioned it before but, with few games left to influence the figures, they have the fourth highest attendance in the league...

[Patrick Dunne]

"few games left to influence the figures, they have the fourth highest attendance in the league..."

I couldn't have put it better myself !

A small bit more more influencing and they might get up to first.

[pineapple stu]

1300 (http://www.irishfootie.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1673) at Waterford-Drogheda.

650-ish at UCD-Rovers - woeful crowd with Rovers fans seemingly taking a night off ahead of the play-off...

[HarpoJoyce]

1300 (http://www.irishfootie.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1673) at Waterford-Drogheda.

650-ish at UCD-Rovers - woeful crowd with Rovers fans seemingly taking a night off ahead of the play-off...


Thanks again for the info.

Play-off is expressed as a plural in the Eircom League at present.
Until the clubs change the rules to protect the fallen.

So, Pineapple Stu, playoffs.

What are the crowds like?

[KR's Post]

No more than 300-350 at Harps v Bray... 30-35 from Bray!

[Finlay Harp]

I would say there was about 500 at the Harps game.

[Partizan]

1300 (http://www.irishfootie.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1673) at Waterford-Drogheda.



Poor game, nothing really at stake except pride. Drogheda looked very poor.

Finished 8th overall after what can be described as a very eventful season for Waterford. Some night in the Forum for the end of season bash. :D

[pineapple stu]

Irish Examiner said 7500 official at Cork-Derry. I presume it wasn't that exact amount, but rather it was an official sell-out which is about 7,500. Either way, in it goes.

[Battery Rover]

About 350 at the Athlone vs Dublin City game tonight. The whole DC home support travelled.

Anyone know where I can get odds on Athlone being promoted next year as champions.

[Speranza]

Before Cork fans are told they are exagerating there is no chance there were 7,500 people in Turners X. 10,000 would be more accurate!

500 of us, yer having a laugh :p Thanks to credit card booking and some possibly illegal activities the red 'n white army expanded to well over the allocation.

[Partizan]

There has been a tendancy by our UCD friend to underestimate crowds over the course of the season. I think its from the inferiority complex that goes with being a UCD fan. :D

There was no way 7500 at the X. I watched the highlights and the place was absolutley jammers. In all fairness to the C/\wkies on a great performance both on and off the pitch and to the Derry fans as well who were gracious in defeat, it was a fantastic game and the best team won on the night.

My estimate, at least 9000 at the X. There wasnt a standing space to be had even. Contrast that with UCD's total hardcore fan base of 90. :p

[Da Real Rover]

I feel you should place our attendance to 5000, the sligo champion, the sligo weekender every paper, every person who was at the game everone who commented on the game says it was 5000, apart from you. This has gotta stop it was 5000, clear cut, biggest crowd since we played Brugge in 1994.

[crc]

The Cross was very close to 10,000, even if officially it was 7,500. I actually only got to see half the game. Not half in terms of time (I was there for the whole thing), but I could only see the half near the St. Anne's end because so many people were standing in front of me (in the Derrynane away section). As a consequence, I still have no idea what the second goal looked like!

[pineapple stu]

There has been a tendancy by our UCD friend to underestimate crowds over the course of the season. I think it's from the inferiority complex that goes with being a UCD fan. :D
Nope, it's due to the fact that I can see that people like your good self quite clearly can't estimate a crowd without adding another couple of hundred on to make your club look bigger than it is. Also, any club who starts releasing official attendances sees their crowds drop about 10%. Why? Because people here overestimate. So I compensate.


There was no way 7500 at the X. I watched the highlights and the place was absolutley jammers.
Isn't capacity for the Cross in around 7,500 though?! It was 5,100 for the Prague game (I think) without the Shed, so you'd surely be pushing it to have any more than 2,000 in there or around.


I feel you should place our attendance to 5000, the sligo champion, the sligo weekender every paper, every person who was at the game everone who commented on the game says it was 5000, apart from you.
Not everyone agrees (http://www.foot.ie/showpost.php?p=387862&postcount=1297). Also, those places all got it from the one source - most likely the journalists sitting around at half-time talking to each other and going "What do think the crowd is?" "I'd say it must be 5,000" "Yeah" and then they all use that. Anyway, if this is lower, it'll compensate for any inflated attendances during the year.

Sorry, the conservatism policy stays! Just look at the 2003 stats from here (http://www.european-football-statistics.co.uk/attn/2000/aveire.htm)to see what happens otherwise!!

[pineapple stu]

My estimate, at least 9000 at the X. There wasnt a standing space to be had even.
In fact, here (http://www.foot.ie/showpost.php?p=153070&postcount=464) and here (http://www.foot.ie/showpost.php?p=341478&postcount=949), we have people stating the capacity of the Cross to be 7,500, maybe 8,000 max. Yet you have people swearing blind that there was up to one-third more people in the ground than it apparently can hold? And then people whine because I be conservative with the attendances! Mad!


Contrast that with UCD's total hardcore fan base of 90. :p
Good man Partizan. If all else fails, a retarded dig at UCD will always get the point across.

[1 9 2 8]

I think pineapple stu is just jealous of other clubs attendances

Our official average league attendance for 2005 is 1,972

[pineapple stu]

I think pineapple stu is just jealous of other clubs attendances.
Yeah, that's it.:rolleyes:


Our official average league attendance for 2005 is 1,972
And every single official attendance ended with at least two zeros. Coincidence, isn't it?

[1 9 2 8]

Yeah, that's it.:rolleyes:


And every single official attendance ended with at least two zeros. Coincidence, isn't it?
It's to the nearest 50. So if 1989 was at the game it's put down as 2000 or if 1922 it's put down as 1900. The figures the club release aren't exact but they are very close to the actual attendance. These figures would include guests, season ticket holders and VIP's who don't go through the turnstiles.

[Slash/ED]

It's to the nearest 50. So if 1989 was at the game it's put down as 2000 or if 1922 it's put down as 1900. The figures the club release aren't exact but they are very close to the actual attendance. These figures would include guests, season ticket holders and VIP's who don't go through the turnstiles.

Why, if they know the exact figure, do they round it or is it simply guesswork on their part as they don't know the exact figure of how many were in the ground?

[pineapple stu]

It's to the nearest 50. So if 1989 was at the game it's put down as 2000 or if 1922 it's put down as 1900. The figures the club release aren't exact but they are very close to the actual attendance. These figures would include guests, season ticket holders and VIP's who don't go through the turnstiles.
Sorry, no good.

(a) What Slash/Ed said
(b) If it's to the nearest 50, why didn't any of the attendances end in 50? You'd have expected half of them to have on average.

[thejollyrodger]

maybe we can get a more offical figure list for 2006 ?? I.E enforce the clubs to count the public or send sold tickets stubs back to the FAI. The clubs shouldnt be too hung up on the numbers but its good to see how the Eircom League is fairing.

[anto eile]

My estimate, at least 9000 at the X. There wasnt a standing space to be had even. Contrast that with UCD's total hardcore fan base of 90. :p
partizan.youre some man for the ridiculous guesstimates.
7500 MAXIMUM. now dont waste anyones time by arguing that

[Ronin]

Isn't capacity for the Cross in around 7,500 though?! It was 5,100 for the Prague game (I think) without the Shed, so you'd surely be pushing it to have any more than 2,000 in there or around.

Sorry, the conservatism policy stays! Just look at the 2003 stats from here (http://www.european-football-statistics.co.uk/attn/2000/aveire.htm)to see what happens otherwise!!

Well the 2003 figures show that Cork's largest crowd was 9,000. You said in an earlier post that european-football-statistics get the information from you ... so you're not so sure yourself!

Cork fans overestimate?! Well, with all due respects shaving off 2,500 from a probable 9,000 is a tad overly conservative.

I'm sure Cork City will report 7,500. The club is hardly going to admit to breaking the carrying capacity laid out in their fire regulations. 9,000 is a pretty fair estimation, even allowing for some conservativism.

I suppose only by being there could you get a real sense of the crowd!

[pineapple stu]

Well the 2003 figures show that Cork's largest crowd was 9,000. You said in an earlier post that european-football-statistics get the information from you ... so you're not so sure yourself!
That's 2004, not 2003. People were claiming over 10000 for that game. Pete has posted up the capacity of Turner's Cross, and I've linked to it above. It gives capacity as 7450. 1500-2500 is a lot of extra people to fit into a packed ground.


Cork fans overestimate?! Well, with all due respects shaving off 2,500 from a probable 9,000 is a tad overly conservative.
Ehhh...9000-7500 is a drop of 1500, not 2500. With Cork releasing official figures this season, we've seen that it's quite possible - common, even - for Cork fans to overestimate by 1500.

If an official figure is released by the club which says that the attendance was up around 8500 or 9000, fair enough - I'll put it in. But for now, I'm quite happy to go with the figure newspapers are saying is official over fans' guesstimates, which have in the past - and I include myself - been too high. Cork's attendances are apparently down 10% this year when they've been top of the league most of the season. Do you reckon this is true? If not, then it's the effects of overestimation.

[Jerry The Saint]

It's funny that people would rather rather claim that the attendance was dangerously over capacity than accept the figure of 7,500.

If it turns out that Cork allowed 9,000 into the ground then there would surely be severe consequences - a heavy fine, possible closure of the ground and maybe even a withdrawal of the UEFA license???

[Schumi]

Contrast that with UCD's total hardcore fan base of 90. :p
Amusing coming from a Waterford fan when there were about 300 in the RSC when we played there.

[sfc red]

Contrast that with UCD's total hardcore fan base of 90.

What an idiotic statement - slagging the true fans who go to games about the people who aren't there

[pineapple stu]

Right, an initial final update. Last season in brackets. (2) indicates a match in the second round of games. I'm going to post a few messages on the various forums to fill the blanks and will update this with any figures I get. Usual thanks to all who helped out! Hopefully get a couple more clubs releasing official figures from next season...


PREMIER
Bohs 1941 (2340) (missing Pat's and Shels 2)
Bray 1550 (818)
Cork 3593 (4033)
Derry 2698 (1672)
Drogheda 1703 (1554) (missing Harps 2 and Shels 2)
Harps 1347 (1106) (missing Shels and Rovers 2)
Longford 1038 (1131) (missing Shels 2 and Waterford 2)
Pat's 1645 (1882)
Rovers 1539 (1349)
Shels 1949 (2158)
UCD 653 (306)
Waterford 1513 (1753)

FIRST
Athlone 323 (291) (missing Cobh 2 and Galway 2)
Cobh 403 (240) (missing Galway 2)
Dublin City 172 (592) (missing Kildare 2, Kilkenny 2 and Monaghan 2)
Dundalk 474 (591) (missing Cobh 2, Galway 2 and Kildare 2)
Galway 566 (571)
Kildare 217 (298) (missing Cobh (2), Dundalk (both), Kilkenny (both), Monaghan 2 and Sligo 2)
Kilkenny 173 (110) (missing Athlone (both), Cobh (2), Dublin City (2), Dundalk (both), Galway (2), Kildare and Sligo 2)
Limerick 715 (188) (missing Dundalk 2 and Kildare 2)
Monaghan 200 (182) (missing Athlone 2, Cobh (both), Dublin City (2), Dundalk (2), Kildare (both) and Kilkenny (2))
Sligo 1819 (781)

Premier Division - 1769 (1853)
First Division - 566 (512)
Overall average - 1248 (1218)

Recent matches missing -
Bohs v Shels
Pat's v Longford
Cobh v Galway
Kilkenny v Sligo
Limerick v Kildare
Monaghan v Dundalk

[Conor H]

(1218)
Recent matches missing -
Cobh v Galway

Bout 400-450.

[sfc red]

Wow, after all the "shít club, no fans", it seems like our attendances are higher than that of Rovers, Pats and Bohs....

[CamacKhazai]

You are confusing Shels "Fans" with the number attending matches in Tolka Park.

[pete]

Official capacity for the cross is 7500. Shed was unbeliveably packed & conservative extra 1000 in it. Ground was 60 minutes pre ko. 9000 is conservative estimnate at attendance as 10,000 might be pushing it.

[Jerry The Saint]

Official capacity for the cross is 7500. Shed was unbeliveably packed & conservative extra 1000 in it. Ground was 60 minutes pre ko. 9000 is conservative estimnate at attendance as 10,000 might be pushing it.

So Cork City would rather get an extra 15 grand or so in gate receipts than comply with safety regulations. Any Derry City fans who were at the game might want to consider a lawsuit to console themselves for missing out on the title...:)

[pete]

So Cork City would rather get an extra 15 grand or so in gate receipts than comply with safety regulations. Any Derry City fans who were at the game might want to consider a lawsuit to console themselves for missing out on the title...:)

Of course that was just my view as might have been numerous empty seats i couldn't see ;)

[pineapple stu]

What percentage of the ground are you required to give to away fans? Derry would be fairly peed off if Cork lied about their capacity and screwed a couple of hundred Derry fans out of tickets.

[Speranza]

And Cork would be mighty ****ed off if they realised City fans bought up loads of tickets via credit card!

The F.A.I would also be ****ed off if they knew any city fans standing outside at kick-off were allowed inside at face value of a ticket.

Easily 9,000 in the X

[Jerry The Saint]

What percentage of the ground are you required to give to away fans? Derry would be fairly peed off if Cork lied about their capacity and screwed a couple of hundred Derry fans out of tickets.

I think the whole concept of "capacity" must mean something different down there...


ca·pac·i·ty ( P ) Pronunciation Key (k-ps-t)
n. pl. ca·pac·i·ties

The ability to receive, hold, or absorb.
Abbr. c. A measure of this ability; volume.
The maximum amount that can be contained: a trunk filled to capacity.

Ability to perform or produce; capability.
The maximum or optimum amount that can be produced: factories operating below capacity.
The power to learn or retain knowledge; mental ability.
Innate potential for growth, development, or accomplishment; faculty. See Synonyms at ability.
The quality of being suitable for or receptive to specified treatment: the capacity of elastic to be stretched.
The position in which one functions; role: in your capacity as sales manager.
Legal qualification or authority: the capacity to make an arrest.
Electricity. Capacitance.

adj.
Filling a space with the most it can hold: a capacity crowd at the concert.

In Cork, there is an additional meaning

- a random number, plucked out of thin air, that bears no resemblance to how many people can safely fit inside a stadium.

Given that the Genesis report used crowd estimates from this thread as the basis of an official report into the future of the eircom League, I'm guessing that the FAI/UEFA Licensing committee have a similarly loose interpretation of the word. :eek: ;)

[pete]

There were no safety problem with the cross last friday. Makes a change to see packed ground on tv as opposed to empty stand from dublin venues. The shed was packed beyond belief but it was its send off night so don't see anyone complaining.

When Pats have no mud banks & stones in their ground then you can complain.

[Jerry The Saint]

When Pats have no mud banks & stones in their ground then you can complain.


No-one's pretending there wasn't a great crowd and that Cork haven't had excellent attendances (by eL standards) all season. I'm just wondering why Cork City FC would misrepresent the safe capacity of the ground they play in and deliberately understate the attendance for the biggest game of the season by at least 20%:confused:

[pete]

I'm just wondering why Cork City FC would misrepresent the safe capacity of the ground they play in and deliberately understate the attendance for the biggest game of the season by at least 20%:confused:

I'm sure we are given a capacity by officials but as we all know that wouldn't allow for extra stand room behind seats & extraordinary numbers in the shed.

Were plenty of people jumping walls & getting through other unofficial means anyway.

Only the shed could be considered in any way "unsafe".

[WindmillWarrior]

Drogs v Shels 1,550

Drogs v Harps 1,500

[pineapple stu]

Cheers WW.

[pineapple stu]

200 guesstimate (http://www.foot.ie/showthread.php?p=394078#post394078)for Athlone-Galway.

[pineapple stu]

120 (http://www.foot.ie/showthread.php?t=31598) at Kildare-Sligo
3100 estimated (http://forum.shelbournefc.ie/chat/viewtopic.php?p=56596#56596) for Bohs-Shels. 1700 at Longford-Shels (same post)