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Pablo
17/08/2005, 11:57 AM
Crowd was nothing like 7,000 at the cross last night. From what I heard, it might not even have been over 5,000 :eek:

thats utter rubbish. easily 7,000 there despite what your being "fed" from above

Éanna
17/08/2005, 12:06 PM
thats utter rubbish. easily 7,000 there despite what your being "fed" from above
I'm not being "fed" anything, I'm just saying what I heard. I didn't say I believed it, or agreed with it, I just said what I heard. I would have said about 6,000 myself

pete
17/08/2005, 12:17 PM
Only way could be 6000 is omitting season ticket holders or sponsor freebies.

I was surprised crowd so big given record this season & that was August.

paudie
17/08/2005, 12:46 PM
I'd say 6,000 mightn't be far off. Good few empty seats in St Anne's and in Shels section of Derrynane.

There was at least 500 more at the Bohs game at the end of last season. The St Anne's was packed that night with at least twice as many standing there.

What figure was included for that match?

pineapple stu
17/08/2005, 12:52 PM
A highly skeptical source I'd say to be fair.
True - yer man does seem to have a reputation as a bit of a wind-up merchant too. On the other hand, no-one's questioned the figure yet.

pineapple stu
17/08/2005, 12:53 PM
What figure was included for that [Bohs] match?
One of my moments of weakness before I knew the ground's capacity... 9,000 :o :rolleyes:
Even that was down from the people who swore blind there were 10000+ there.

dublinred
17/08/2005, 1:09 PM
maybe just over 100 with about 20 from Galway.I wont comment on Dublin Citys existence.

Hard to believe for the league leaders , surley the UEFA licensciung laws should have a minimum requirement for fans, 80 home fans is not good enough for a senior league about time the league did something about the deadwood clubs going nowhere, before I am accused of bias I acknowledge that DC have a good team and manager and will get promoted but are they good enough as a club for the premier divison.

pineapple stu
17/08/2005, 1:25 PM
surely the UEFA licencing laws should have a minimum requirement for fans
Stupid idea (or else you're missing a smiley or five). What's the ref going to do - count the crowd before the game, and if it's under 100, call the game off?!


are they good enough as a club for the Premier Divison?
The current team isn't good enough at all - UCD beat them fairly comfortably in both cup competitions. But they don't have to be good enough for the Premier this year - wait and see who they sign in the winter (if they go up) before posing the question.

dublinred
17/08/2005, 1:51 PM
Stupid idea (or else you're missing a smiley or five). What's the ref going to do - count the crowd before the game, and if it's under 100, call the game off?!.

Not a bad idea , 500 home fans or award the points to oppostion , would not take long to weed out the deadwood.

[/QUOTE]The current team isn't good enough at all - UCD beat them fairly comfortably in both cup competitions. But they don't have to be good enough for the Premier this year - wait and see who they sign in the winter (if they go up) before posing the question.[/QUOTE]

Club = Team + Facilities + Fans + History , if you are lacking on 3 fronts you should be playing Leinster league rather than taking up space in the premier division. The current structure is a joke with regional teams dying in the first divison and too many Dublin based teams.

Battery Rover
17/08/2005, 7:31 PM
The current structure is a joke with regional teams dying in the first divison and too many Dublin based teams.

Yes the regional teams are dying in the 1st Division but it is up to us to get out of it not look for an easy way out.

Agree with the point that 80 home fans at a match involving a team at the top is terrible even ourselves rooted to the bottom of the league can muster 200 or so die hard supporters. But then we have been around since 1887 thats 118 years


Club = Team + Facilities + Fans + History , if you are lacking on 3 fronts you should be playing Leinster league rather than taking up space in the premier division

Lets see
Team...Well we have one of them and building a better one to get us out of this division next year. Only working of a €3000 budget here.

Facilities.....We will have excellent facilities from the start of next season.

Fans.....We have some of them even though a bit sparse this season. But remember it is easy sing when your winning.

History...Around 118 years so is that long enough

How could you implement a rule like that on those points. It would mean that we would be able for the premier. I dont think so.

Do you think that you are good enough for the premier division. On your results against us I doubt it. 0-0 and 1-0.

Pablo
18/08/2005, 2:02 PM
Hard to believe for the league leaders , surley the UEFA licensciung laws should have a minimum requirement for fans, 80 home fans is not good enough for a senior league about time the league did something about the deadwood clubs going nowhere, before I am accused of bias I acknowledge that DC have a good team and manager and will get promoted but are they good enough as a club for the premier divison.

maybe thats the fault of the other 1st division clubs.........

Poor Student
18/08/2005, 2:13 PM
The fact of the matter is that Dublin City are a new team (granted they are built on the ruins of Home Farm). What exactly do you want from them? It will take time to build a fanbase. Especially until they settle somewhere. If we're going to be such nazis about small fanbases and long histories then we will never have new clubs and new blood. What exactly do people want?

DonO'Bate
18/08/2005, 10:53 PM
Official Attendance 651.

This would probably been over 1,000 if the game went ahead as orginally scheduled on Friday night but that's another story.

Lim till i die
19/08/2005, 9:54 AM
How is Thomas Mc Gauley playing?

Thomas Mc Gauley is an absolutely fine footballer who did really well despite being played at left back. However, after he was sent off against Kilkenny "City" our esteemed chairman felt the need to abuse him from on high meaning that to the best of my knowledge he will never again play for Limerick. :mad: If you happen to know the guy pass on the best wishes of Limerick fans for the future

superfrank
19/08/2005, 12:03 PM
Club = Team + Facilities + Fans + History , if you are lacking on 3 fronts you should be playing Leinster league rather than taking up space in the premier division. The current structure is a joke with regional teams dying in the first divison and too many Dublin based teams.
So what about St. James Gate. They have the facilities and the history, they still have a team so why couldn't we let them back in?

Breifne
19/08/2005, 12:10 PM
They still have a team so why couldn't we let them back in?

No problem in theory, the only challenge would be to win an election against either Athlone or Monaghan (if the league positions don't change) at next years AGM.

Hardly think that is going to happen.

pineapple stu
20/08/2005, 12:47 AM
Fairly poor crowd at Rovers-UCD - would be surprised if there were 1000 there. Nobody outside the Jodi, which was only anyway near full at the two Blocks at the Des Kelly end.

Sam Savic
20/08/2005, 3:20 AM
Official attendance at Rovers V UCD was 1048.

MariborKev
20/08/2005, 10:06 AM
3,700 and something at the Derry game.

However after a night celebrating I have foregotten the exact number, will chase it up

Passive
20/08/2005, 11:25 AM
Official attendance at Rovers V UCD was 1048.

So, 1046 Rovers fans at the game then ;)

TheOwl
20/08/2005, 11:27 AM
So, 1046 Rovers fans at the game then ;)

3,321 given as official attendance at Shels vs. Bohs on Shelsweb

pineapple stu
20/08/2005, 12:04 PM
So, 1046 Rovers fans at the game then ;)
Nah, no more than 1,026, I'd say. ;)

Wasn't a bad guesstimate, though! :)

pineapple stu
20/08/2005, 12:11 PM
3,700 and something at the Derry game.

However after a night celebrating I have foregotten the exact number, will chase it up
Any chance you can find a figure for the Bray game as well? Only Derry figure we're missing.

MariborKev
20/08/2005, 1:36 PM
I was away on holidays for that game Stu, but I try and find out on Tuesday at the League Cup game and will get the confirmed number for the Cork game

Conor H
20/08/2005, 1:40 PM
So, 1046 Rovers fans at the game then ;)
:D :D :D

bohs til i die
20/08/2005, 1:56 PM
3,321 given as official attendance at Shels vs. Bohs on Shelsweb

with close to 2000 of them Bohs .....

higgins
20/08/2005, 4:13 PM
Thats a lie :mad:

Why act so childish??
Im a shels fan and im first to admit we dont get good crowds but 2000 bohs fans is a lie.

Your last two home games had crowds of 1200 and 1120 for home and away fans wasnt it? and you think this away one had 2000 :D

There were about 1000-1300 of you there. I still think thats a great away crowd so dont know why you have to lie??

TheOwl
20/08/2005, 6:53 PM
Thats a lie :mad:

Why act so childish??
Im a shels fan and im first to admit we dont get good crowds but 2000 bohs fans is a lie.

Your last two home games had crowds of 1200 and 1120 for home and away fans wasnt it? and you think this away one had 2000 :D

There were about 1000-1300 of you there. I still think thats a great away crowd so dont know why you have to lie??

I think I remember hearing that Linfeld sold 1,300 tickets for the Setanta cup final, and it seemed a similar amount of Bohs fans there last night.

superfrank
20/08/2005, 9:34 PM
Would say somewhere between 500 and 800 at our match last night. :( Very disappointing!

bohs til i die
21/08/2005, 7:58 AM
Thats a lie :mad:

Why act so childish??
Im a shels fan and im first to admit we dont get good crowds but 2000 bohs fans is a lie.

Your last two home games had crowds of 1200 and 1120 for home and away fans wasnt it? and you think this away one had 2000 :D

There were about 1000-1300 of you there. I still think thats a great away crowd so dont know why you have to lie??


Between Riversdie and Ballybough, there was close to 2000. Our last two home games were UCD and Bray, on Friday was a Dublin Derby with all the sideshow 3 Judas fcukers. Of course there is going to be a bigger turnout

There was no more then 1500 between Lego and Main stands. Someone posted the official attendance at 3300. So maybe 1800 Bohs fans then.

Dr.Nightdub
21/08/2005, 1:20 PM
Our guesstimate for Longford v Pats last night was 800-900

Cosmo
21/08/2005, 1:24 PM
Just less than 1000 at our match against waterford on friday :o

Longfordian
21/08/2005, 3:23 PM
Our guesstimate for Longford v Pats last night was 800-900

That'd be about right. About 900 I would have said

Comic Book Guy
21/08/2005, 4:39 PM
Reckon about 550-600 at Cobh Ramblers/Sligo

Slash/ED
21/08/2005, 6:29 PM
There was no more then 1500 between Lego and Main stands. Someone posted the official attendance at 3300. So maybe 1800 Bohs fans then.

So we got around 500 lower than our average attendence from the same figures according to you?

Yeah, sure.

Battery Rover
21/08/2005, 9:53 PM
About 300 at the Kildare vs Athlone match. 20 from Athlone.

Noisy travelling support who sung for the entire 90 mins :D :D

higgins
23/08/2005, 10:17 AM
Its great the way the Bohs fans are quick to pat themselves on the back when their average attendence is actually lower then our own!

some of you say there was over 2000 of you :eek: you managed 1200 and 1100 in your last two HOME games and I know you all have a love of Shels but i think over 2000 is a lie.

The Stars
23/08/2005, 10:25 AM
About 300 at the Kildare vs Athlone match. 20 from Athlone.

Noisy travelling support who sung for the entire 90 mins :D :D
fair play to the Athlone fans,bottom of the league and still singing.well done.

bohs til i die
23/08/2005, 10:33 AM
Ok, Higgins, lets do a break down.

We filled under the cover in the Riverside, from front row to back, maybe about 1500-1700. Agreed?
We had more outside the cover, and a good few in the Ballybough end, say 250. Agreed?

Shels did NOT fill the Lego stand, there was 650-700 in there. Agreed?
The Main stand was half full, maybe 900 there. Agreed?

Attendance was given at 3300/3400. Do the maths yourself.

Now lets look at the reality. We played UCD and Bray in our last two home games. We had similar numbers in Tolka compared to what we had at home to Shels, Rovers and Ghent at home. There is a trend there. Poor season, hardcore for lesser games, but better numbers for bigger games like derbies and Europe.


For the record, how many did you think were at the game on Friday? I thought 3500, so wasn’t too far wrong.

higgins
23/08/2005, 11:12 AM
Now lets look at the reality...
they are you words!

We are at the end point of the 2nd series of games (think you have pats at home to come?) So we have nearly played everyone at home once?

Bohs average 1970
Shels average 2031

I dont think you had over 2000 at the game and thats what i said. OK you had more then any other team apart from Linfield and maybe Glentoran but over 2000 would put the shels crowd at 1300.

What you are doing and what other do is just being CHILDISH. How long more do we have to put up with the 'we got more then you' nonsense. You had a big crowd, get over it!! over 2000 is not correct thats all I'll say.

bohs til i die
23/08/2005, 11:32 AM
if your average attendance is over 2000, how come you managed to bring a whole 704 to Dalymount?

I never claimed we had over 2000, i said we had close to 2000, with 1900 or so being fairly close to 2000.

For the record, our average home attendance this season is 2102.

TheOwl
23/08/2005, 11:38 AM
Ok, Higgins, lets do a break down.

We filled under the cover in the Riverside, from front row to back, maybe about 1500-1700. Agreed?


That is simply not true - I was in the main stand and there it was still quite gappy in the Bohs section, even under the cover.

When you are in the actual stand it can seem like there is more there than there actually is, sure the main stand seemed 3/4 or more full to me and yet you are telling me it was only half full.

Don't think either club have much room to gloat, still a pretty s*ite crowd when all is said and done, I mean there was over a thousend people more at Wycombe vs Bury last weekend for god sake!

Slash/ED
23/08/2005, 11:38 AM
This thread only takes league games into account, our average would be considerable higher if not due to the champions league.

This numbers game is typically pathetic, but we didn't suddenly lose 700 off the regular home gate for the visit of the feeder club.

bohs til i die
23/08/2005, 11:41 AM
This thread only takes league games into account, our average would be considerable higher if not due to the champions league.

This numbers game is typically pathetic, but we didn't suddenly lose 700 off the regular home gate for the visit of the feeder club.

well you managed to loss two thirds of your support for that long trip to Phibsboro in May.

Slash/ED
23/08/2005, 11:42 AM
well you managed to loss two thirds of your support for that long trip to Phibsboro in May.

Indeed we did, a pathetic turnout there is no doubt whatsoever

anto eile
23/08/2005, 2:19 PM
ballybough end looked like 100 (and its often a mix of home and away fans), not 250, from tv pictures on el weekly

pineapple stu
23/08/2005, 7:50 PM
Update after the weekend. Last season in brackets. (2) indicates a match in the second round of games.


PREMIER
Bohs 1970 (2340)
Bray 1686 (818)
Cork 3886 (4033)
Derry 2582 (1672)
Drogheda 1702 (1554)
Harps 1420 (1106)
Longford 1193 (1131)
Pat's 1640 (1882)
Rovers 1797 (1466) (missing Drogheda)
Shels 2148 (2158)
UCD 689 (306)
Waterford 1255 (1753)

FIRST
Athlone 344 (291)
Cobh 375 (240)
Dublin City 176 (592)
Dundalk 256 (591) (missing Kilkenny 2)
Galway 640 (571)
Kildare 236 (298) (missing Cobh (2), Dundalk, Kilkenny and Monaghan (2))
Kilkenny 138 (110) (missing Athlone, Cobh (2), Dublin City (2), Dundalk and Kildare)
Limerick 757 (188)
Monaghan 175 (182) (missing Cobh, Kildare and Kilkenny (2))
Sligo 1529 (781)

Premier Division - 1833 (1863)
First Division - 510 (512)
Overall average - 1249 (1224)

Weekend matches missing -
Monaghan v. Kilkenny

pineapple stu
23/08/2005, 7:56 PM
Comparisons to last season -

Derry City v Cork City - 3700 (2004 - 1400)
Bray Wanderers v Finn Harps - 600 (1200 - First Division)
Drogheda United v Waterford United - 1102 (1488)
Shamrock Rovers v UCD - 1048 (n/a)
Shelbourne v Bohemians - 3321 (4500)
Longford Town v St. Patrick’s Athletic - 800 (1300)

Galway United v Dundalk - 651 (503)
Limerick v Dublin City - 690 (n/a)
Kildare County v Athlone Town - 300 (175)
Cobh Ramblers v Sligo Rovers - 550 (150)
Monaghan United v Kilkenny City - no figure (no figure)

Quick summary -
4 up
4 down
2 no corresponding figure
2 figures to come

Premier Division average - 1905 (1978)
First Division average - 500 (276)
Overall average - 1378 (1340)

OneRedArmy
23/08/2005, 8:32 PM
I'll guesstimate 2,200 for the Derry v Bray game in the absence of a better figure.

pineapple stu
23/08/2005, 8:37 PM
Fair enough, cheers. Updated the list. Maribor's looking into an official attendance in the meantime.