Andy Reid(b 1982)

[gspain]

100% agree, there was a bit of the rent a mob re the calls for him to be included in the squad, he'd announced his retirement beofre that and then changed his mind which created some of the hype but I think it was just his desire to play in a World Cup that was behind that, it would have been crazy to include him in the squad. Stapleton was lucky to make that squad as well to be frank. ;)

Wasn't the Finland game for Brady's testimonial in May 1990 upgraded to a full international to give him one last cap?

It was his last cap but I think it was always a full International. David O'Leary's testimonial v Hungary circa 89 is the disputed one. We didn't and don't consider it a full Internatio0nal but they do.

Agree re Frank Stapleton too. Great servant as well but was never going to play in Italy. He did score in the warmup match v Malta though.

[Drumcondra 69er]

It was his last cap but I think it was always a full International. David O'Leary's testimonial v Hungary circa 89 is the disputed one. We didn't and don't consider it a full Internatio0nal but they do.

Agree re Frank Stapleton too. Great servant as well but was never going to play in Italy. He did score in the warmup match v Malta though.

Was sure Finland wasn't to be a full game but they changed their mind, may well be wrong though!

Yeah, Stapo scored in Malta alright and seemed to think that gave him the right to be first choice again! Jack went on record afterwards saying that it should really have been Stapleton rather then Waddock that was sacrificied but as he'd been such a good servant he deserved his place in the squad. Says when Frank spent the next month moping round the traning camp with a 'face like a smacked @rse' that he wished he hadn't bothered!

[NeilMcD]

Brady was injured for Euro 88 (and also serving a two match ban). He wasn't fit for the 1990 qualifiers due to the knee injury he suffered at West Ham.

To be honest, while he had to sacrifice some of the flair under Jack he arguably played more effectively for us in the 88 qualifiers then he had for a good few years before that, he was generally quite poor from 82 till 86 and was regulalry slated by Dunphy and others on the box and in print. 86 to 88 was a bit of a renaissance for him despite his dislike of the style of play.

Is that not what I said. Anyway the point I am making is that the comparisons of Brady and Reid are not true as Brady was never sacrificed for the system as he played in the system and as you say had a bit of a resurgence under Charlton.

[Drumcondra 69er]

Is that not what I said. Anyway the point I am making is that the comparisons of Brady and Reid are not true as Brady was never sacrificed for the system as he played in the system and as you say had a bit of a resurgence under Charlton.

It is what you said but you asked 'did he not play in every qualifier for Euro 88 and was injured for the tournament and he was injury prone by the time of the qualifiers for 1990'. I was just confirming that.

[Wolfie]

If there was a game where we had to force the issue and get Keane and Doyle played in - Reid could do a job from the left wing - with certain constraints placed upon him, I'm afraid.

I think Trapp's nightmare scenario is Reid risking passes and conceding possession repeatedly, thus putting us under extreme pressure. You lose the ball in International Football you may not get it back for 2 minutes - sometimes when you are picking it out from the back of your net.

The Jack Charlton / Liam Brady issue had similarities in relation to a clash between a certain players style and the teams rigid system.

As Brady himself once said in an interview "Well, you couldn't be over elaborate with the ball. Its when you risked a pass and lost it. That's when Jack blew his top".

The emergence of a solid, quality left full could herald a re-think as regards the left wing but its too risky at the moment.

Kilbane, as much admired and liked as he is, is on the way out and his best days are behind him. Reid and Kilbane on the left is a bit too fragile for my liking.


Is that not what I said. Anyway the point I am making is that the comparisons of Brady and Reid are not true as Brady was never sacrificed for the system as he played in the system and as you say had a bit of a resurgence under Charlton.

I wasn't making reference to a similarity in relation to an omission.

My reference was to a similarity in an individuals creative playing style which does not fit with the constraints of a teams system of play.

Brady had to alter his playing style in order to feature at all.

[republicofwhite]

Some rare decent praise here for an Irishman, let alone Andy Reid:

http://www.football365.com/story/0,17033,8750_5575437,00.html

[centre mid]

Pulling all the strings again for Sunderland tonight, everything going through him including the creation of their 2 goals. He is going to make it very tough for Trap to leave him out of the next squad, probably the most in form Irish player apart from Shay Given in the last two weeks.

[irishfan86]

Pulling all the strings again for Sunderland tonight, everything going through him including the creation of their 2 goals. He is going to make it very tough for Trap to leave him out of the next squad, probably the most in form Irish player apart from Shay Given in the last two weeks.

I'd put Dunne up there too, with his 4 clean sheets from 4 games played.

[SkStu]

assist for Sunderlands second tonight and heavily involved in their first.

[Crosby87]

WHat are the odds he is called up? 3-2? 2-1? 10-1?

[irishfan86]

I don't think he'll be called up.

I'd give 20-1

[shakermaker1982]

10-1 for me. If he keeps up this good form then who knows?

[Acornvilla]

i dont see what all the fyss is about really? since he has been at forst he hasnt been capable of holding down a 1st team place very long? the man obviosly has ability but you dont see it enough

[Manblue]

Injurys play a big part in this for him, but if he stays fit and keeps performing in the league I dont see how trap can ignore him for SA. What time is the press conference today anyone?

[ifk101]

I'd be very surprised if Andy Reid is included in today's squad or any other squad for the remainder of the qualifiers/ eventual play-offs (unless some after match entertainment is needed when we qualify for SA).

[Yard of Pace]

Great write-up (http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2009/0926/1224255284090.html)in today's Irish Times by Michael Walker. I read the whole piece shaking my head in wonderment that he has no place in the current squad.

[FarBeag]

I am saddened that Andy Reid is not in the squad. I know that he could not be in the first eleven but leaving him out of the squad altogether is ludicrous. We don’t have a plan B at the moment and I truly believe that Reid answers this problem, he can only make the team better surely. I really hope that Trap is not letting a disciplinary issue that happened quite a while back cloud his judgement and is waiting for Reid to prove his ability and professionalism a little longer. He is just too gifted a player to be forgotten about or ignored.

[Razors left peg]

Andy being continually left out is the only thing stopping me from being delighted about Traps new contract. He doesnt deserve to have his international career ended.Hes a quality playing and would walk through walls to get the chance to play for his country.Some one of that talent and desire shouldnt be left out completely for something as small as an arguement

[NeilMcD]

How do you know that is the reason he is left out, as he was in a squad after that incident.

[Razors left peg]

How do you know that is the reason he is left out, as he was in a squad after that incident.

I just dont think its for legitimate football reasons so Im just guessing its for reasons of an arguement

[centre mid]

As you've said yourself Neil itsprobably more to do with Reid's percived attitude by Trap. Andy Reid is making it difficult for Trap to leave him out for purely footballing reasons.

[SkStu]

I am saddened that Andy Reid is not in the squad. I know that he could not be in the first eleven but leaving him out of the squad altogether is ludicrous. We don’t have a plan B at the moment and I truly believe that Reid answers this problem, he can only make the team better surely. I really hope that Trap is not letting a disciplinary issue that happened quite a while back cloud his judgement and is waiting for Reid to prove his ability and professionalism a little longer. He is just too gifted a player to be forgotten about or ignored.

agree with all this.

[tetsujin1979]

I am saddened that Andy Reid is not in the squad. I know that he could not be in the first eleven but leaving him out of the squad altogether is ludicrous. We don’t have a plan B at the moment and I truly believe that Reid answers this problem, he can only make the team better surely. I really hope that Trap is not letting a disciplinary issue that happened quite a while back cloud his judgement and is waiting for Reid to prove his ability and professionalism a little longer. He is just too gifted a player to be forgotten about or ignored.
I thought the Italy game proved we do have a Plan B?

[FarBeag]

I thought the Italy game proved we do have a Plan B?

Not in my opinion. We actually began to play some football that night because we had to chase the game if we were to get anything from it. The subs that came on did change the game but were like for like for the ones who came off. They just happened to compete better.

I think that was the best Ireland performance so far in the campaign and we could and should have probably won it.

I would have more confidence in Andy Reid changing a game that we needed to win than any other player in the squad.

[Crosby87]

I mean instead of seeing more quotes of Trap talking about SI again yesterday, I would like to hear what he has to say on Andy....I mean has he shut the door on him? Was he not asked about Andy on friday?

[Qwerty]

Reid isn't in the squad as (a) Trapp doesn't think he can do a job in a wide position (b) Trapp doesn't think he can do the unglamorous work in the centre.

Why is it that there is always some fecking player not in the squad the fans obsess about?

It's not as if the results are bad right now and Andy Reid didn't convince as a match winner for us in the past. ( I'm not convinced by the argument of his running the game against a German team who didn't break a sweat ).

Trapp was quoted this week as saying the results are a testament to what self-confidence and structure can do.

He wants a player who is willing to play his system. Reid had his chance in the squad an blew it.

Playing well on it's own won't be enough for him to get back into the squad.

Reid may need to try and speak to Trapp directly and convince him he will do whatever Trapp needs him to.

[Junior]

Reid isn't in the squad as (a) Trapp doesn't think he can do a job in a wide position (b) Trapp doesn't think he can do the unglamorous work in the centre.

Why is it that there is always some fecking player not in the squad the fans obsess about?

It's not as if the results are bad right now and Andy Reid didn't convince as a match winner for us in the past. ( I'm not convinced by the argument of his running the game against a German team who didn't break a sweat ).

Trapp was quoted this week as saying the results are a testament to what self-confidence and structure can do.

He wants a player who is willing to play his system. Reid had his chance in the squad an blew it.

Playing well on it's own won't be enough for him to get back into the squad.

Reid may need to try and speak to Trapp directly and convince him he will do whatever Trapp needs him to.

I've been thinking about this. It is a possible course of action, though Reid has made it perfectly clear that he wants to play (via the media). His fitness, football and professionalism at club level have been first rate since the start of the current season, so perhaps as you suggest, ultimately it is down to a one to one conversation with Trap, perhaps a humble apology and reconfirmation of the desire to do a job for Trap and Ireland. I am not sure whether Reid has spoken to Trap since his omission from the squads, probably not, but it might just pave the way in a completely non football manner - on a personal level.

I don't think Reid would have anything to lose. If it was still a big No, then we'd simply have to accept Trap doesn't rate Reid that highly or he is holding a grudge.

[NeilMcD]

I think a lot of people presume the best way to get a team to qualify is to pick the best 24 players in the squad and then pick the best 11 from that 24. Trap does not think like that and probably most managers do not think like that but I do think a lot of fans do. Andy Reid is not in the squad because he does not fit into the starting 11 in the system that Trap plays and his attitude around the camp when he was not in the starting 11 was not to Traps standards. Traps sees him as I think its called a travista basically the role that Robbie Keane kinda plays for us or that Riquelme played. This is not the system that Traps feels is the best for us with the players we have and having watched Andy Reid in the squad he does not believe he is a squad player who will be happy in the camp just being in the squad. Simple as that really.

[Murfinator]

Keane is an out and out striker, I don't get people who say he plays in the hole behind the front line or whatnot. He plays in an around the box almost all the time, when he isn't it's usually when he's not getting service and he's dropping deeper to get the ball. None of this playmaker nonsense or comparing him to Riquelme! :eek:

[irishfan86]

Murf, it's pretty clear to me that Keane plays his best when given a free role behind the main striker.

This is still a very advanced role that allows him to be in the box when necessary, but it also gives him the freedom to drop into midfield.

If you don't believe Robbie drops deep at times, quite frankly I've got to question whether you ever watch the man play.

[NeilMcD]

Keane is an out and out striker, I don't get people who say he plays in the hole behind the front line or whatnot. He plays in an around the box almost all the time, when he isn't it's usually when he's not getting service and he's dropping deeper to get the ball. None of this playmaker nonsense or comparing him to Riquelme! :eek:

Read the bloody post.

[Crosby87]

I think a lot of people presume the best way to get a team to qualify is to pick the best 24 players in the squad and then pick the best 11 from that 24. Trap does not think like that and probably most managers do not think like that but I do think a lot of fans do. Andy Reid is not in the squad because he does not fit into the starting 11 in the system that Trap plays and his attitude around the camp when he was not in the starting 11 was not to Traps standards. Traps sees him as I think its called a travista basically the role that Robbie Keane kinda plays for us or that Riquelme played. This is not the system that Traps feels is the best for us with the players we have and having watched Andy Reid in the squad he does not believe he is a squad player who will be happy in the camp just being in the squad. Simple as that really.

Neil this is a very good post but I also think it is fair to say that it may be a personal issue as a poster several slots above this made.........I mean I can see the light on what you are saying but you must admit depth wise, maybe Andy giving Trap a ring and getting involved again wouldnt be a terrible thing........However you do have me thinking as to if it is something more, if Trap just is maybe thinking Andy and the current ROI form do not mix.........

[Acornvilla]

is ried better than duff,mcgeady,hunt or lawrence? they all start week in week out for their clubs and preform quite well while ried is a squad player? i admit duff is not at his best at club level but shines for ireland.
i dont think is any better than these three and with the hopefull return of stephen ried there is no place for andy..

[Crosby87]

is ried better than duff,mcgeady,hunt or lawrence? they all start week in week out for their clubs and preform quite well while ried is a squad player? i admit duff is not at his best at club level but shines for ireland.
i dont think is any better than these three and with the hopefull return of stephen ried there is no place for andy..

Im going to make this very simple. You only have 3 subs. So, including the # of players involved in a side, plus taking into account Players who can play DIFFERENT positions, how on earth does he still not make the team?
Eddie Nolan is never going to play. Andy Reid might. He might start.

[Razors left peg]

is ried better than duff,mcgeady,hunt or lawrence? they all start week in week out for their clubs and preform quite well while ried is a squad player? i admit duff is not at his best at club level but shines for ireland.
i dont think is any better than these three and with the hopefull return of stephen ried there is no place for andy..

In my opinion he is a better player than Hunt or Lawrence and he 100% a better winger than Andy Keogh who has started on the wing for us in a couple of games

[SUB of the day]

" I watched Reid last week and thought he played very well"............Trap quoted in Sunday Independent. Duff dodgy, Reid playing well, every cloud, etc etc

[centre mid]

Trap has said that he would name Andy Reid in an initial world cup squad of 40, may as well shoot him in the knee caps.

[FarBeag]

is ried better than duff,mcgeady,hunt or lawrence? they all start week in week out for their clubs and preform quite well while ried is a squad player? i admit duff is not at his best at club level but shines for ireland.
i dont think is any better than these three and with the hopefull return of stephen ried there is no place for andy..

Reid is not a squad player. He played very well pre season and has now played himself into the full team. Have you watched his last four games? He was Sunderland’s best player in all of them. Anything good that Sunderland did was created by him. He was not wonderful in his defensive duties against Burnley but excelled in every way against Birmingham mid week. Keep an eye out for him this afternoon as his live on TV.

He is a better winger than Lawrence and Steven Hunt. Andy Keogh does not count as he is played out of position while playing for us anyway.

[christo]

While I hated this whole get Andy in the squad hype last season I think Reid is a much changed player than he was, he seems much sharper and fitter. He has played fantastic the last few games and probably does deserve a place on the Irish squad (and I said squad not team)

He is miles better than Liam Miller in the center and while Hunt plays decent for Hull he is crap for Ireland

He won't be called back up for a qualification game though, his first match return should be in a friendly

I agree that we should be hearing Traps thoughts on Reid than Ireland though since Ireland doesn't ever want to play for us in the near future and Reid is working very hard for it

[NeilMcD]

I do not think we need to hear his thoughts at all. I would like to think that the media is not a good place to discuss these issues. If Trap wants Andy Reid back in the squad, a quick phone call would be the best way not via the media in my view.

[christo]

I do not think we need to hear his thoughts at all. I would like to think that the media is not a good place to discuss these issues. If Trap wants Andy Reid back in the squad, a quick phone call would be the best way not via the media in my view.

Well I'd rathar the media ask about Reid than Ireland though regardless

[NeilMcD]

They did and they got this. Trapattoni has also said that if Ireland do qualify for next summer's World Cup, Andy Reid and Lee Carsley will be included in the 40-man preliminary squad and he feels they must now prove they deserve to be included in the final party.

"I watched Reid play last week and thought he played well. We have the situation where (Darron) Gibson is playing well and (Keith) Andrews the same. I am looking at Reid -- he created a good goal last week."

[Noelys Guitar]

I believe Trap will bring Reid back if he continually plays well for Sunderland (which is not a given). I agree with Neil about Trap's system and Reid's place in it. But sometimes a player is playing so well that he simply can't be ignored. Hopefully Reid has improved enough and consistently shows it. I bet loads of us on here will be watching todays match to see not only the Wolves Irish but to see how Reid plays. I have a feeling Trap or Tardelli will be watching this one.

[geysir]

Trap might have backed himself into a corner, I hope not.
Reid is more than capable of being a back up option to have in the squad as a replacement for Duff.

[Carrigaline]

Reid played the whole game against Wolves and did well. Chipped in with an assist too.

[Noelys Guitar]

Reid played the whole game against Wolves and did well. Chipped in with an assist too.

Another very good game from Reid. Over hit a few but overall one of the best players on the park. Played one superb pass in the first half to set up Jones.

[EastTerracer]

Another very good game from Reid. Over hit a few but overall one of the best players on the park. Played one superb pass in the first half to set up Jones.

I thought he was a bit quieter than the last few games. Wolves seemed to be the better team for much of the game and Keogh and Doyle were more prominent in the first half. Reid definitely got into the game more in the last half-hour and certainly contributed to Sunderland's ultimate victory.

[christo]

Reid was ok today was anyway near as good as he was the last few weeks, his assit was from a corner though to be fair

[irishfan86]

I would say Reid was just OK today. He hit a good corner for Turner's goal, and made a couple of nice long range passes, but equally, he wasted a lot of possession and ran into trouble a number of times as well.

If Trap was watching, it was hardly the sort of performance that would make him feel that he was making a mistake, let's put it that way.

[FarBeag]

No disrespect but I think you are just nit picking here looking for faults if you like. Ok he was not at his best but if you had to analyse our present wingers Duff, Hunt or Mcgeady during a game you will find that they probably waste more chances than Andy did all game.

How many times did he lose possession, twice maybe from what I could see? He never stopped running and was always looking for the ball something that Whelan, Gibson and Andrews could learn from.