Andy Reid(b 1982)

[Diarmo]

If McGeady and Duff are injured for the upcoming matches then I'm pretty confident Trap will all up Reid. He surely remembers how awful Keogh was on the wing against Italy, so hopefully he'd call up Reid for cover.

I was looking at a Sunderland messageboard earlier, generally positive about Andy, but still a few scattered complaints:

http://www.readytogo.net/smb/showthread.php?t=443716

[tetsujin1979]

If McGeady and Fudd are injured for the upcoming matches then I'm pretty confident Trap will all up Reid. He surely remembers how awful Keogh was on the wing against Italy, so hopefully he'd call up Reid for cover.

I was looking at a Sunderland messageboard earlier, generally positive about Andy, but still a few scattered complaints:

http://www.readytogo.net/smb/showthread.php?t=443716
Fudd? I thought they took that off the market after those hillbillies went blind?

[LFCSixty/Eighty]

Article from Saturdays Irish Times and i know its only some 'hack's' opinion but I think he makes some interesting points especially regarding Reid's fitness.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2009/0926/1224255284090.html

[bholg]

I thought Reid was excellent - Some unbelievable through balls, which would be the tonic for our usually afwul long ball tactics. I dont think he gave the ball away much either. I also thought Keogh had a great game. He was causing plenty of trouble.

[tetsujin1979]

from football365 - http://www.football365.com/story/0,17033,8750_5592954,00.html -
Andy Reid has been credited with an assist in every game since he was restored to the Sunderland starting line-up.

[MeathDrog]

Just gave in a peach of a ball over the United defence for Jones to nod in. He's just too valuable an asset not to have in the squad. Trappa needs to stop being a stubborn old so and so and just call him up.

[EastTerracer]

A good performance by Andy today at Old Trafford. His setup for the second Sunderland goal especially was him at his best. I hope Trapp is watching and considering but I still think he is more inclined to pick two defensive central midfielders. We'll keep our fingers crossed though.

[tricky_colour]

Yes it it will look good if he plays a part in turning over ManU at home, he's been subbed now, also lost my stream :mad:

Sunderland down to 10 men - oh dear - 5 mins left.

Also I have to reboot when I lose the link because it screws up my internet connection! (on sopcast, anyone else get that?).

[centre mid]

Sunderland down to 10 men - oh dear - 5 mins left.



Alex Ferguson might add more time on.

[tricky_colour]

Owtch, 2:2, own goal too, I guess it looks better for Reid in a way that he was off the pitch when Man U equalised, exciting finish to the match.

[geysir]

There will be an enquiry as to why the exact amount of injury was played.

I missed Reid, just started watching as he was subbed.

[rebelmusic]

Reid was pretty much involved in every decent thing sunderland did going forward, i think it's pretty fair to say he's almost proved himself and trap needs to bite the bullet and give him a recall, as a wild card on the bench at least he would be a major asset

[Noelys Guitar]

Reid on current club form is about our 4th best player. Some of his football today was excellent. He made a great run for Sunderland's first goal taking a defender out of Bent's way. And his play leading up to the class pass for Sunderland second goal was a thing of beauty.

[seanfhear]

Reid was pretty much involved in every decent thing sunderland did going forward, i think it's pretty fair to say he's almost proved himself and trap needs to bite the bullet and give him a recall, as a wild card on the bench at least he would be a major asset
If he keeps his fitness up he certainly has a bit of creativity to make a goal that not too many of this present Irish squad has.

[DmanDmythDledge]

Reid on current club form is about our 4th best player. Some of his football today was excellent. He made a great run for Sunderland's first goal taking a defender out of Bent's way. And his play leading up to the class pass for Sunderland second goal was a thing of beauty.
He was one of the best players on the pitch today. Trap has to take notice now with the squad for the qualifiers. Whether you agreed or disagreed with his reasons for excluding Reid twelve months back they no longer hold true now so based on Trap@s logic should be included>>>

[tiktok]

I would say Reid was just OK today. He hit a good corner for Turner's goal, and made a couple of nice long range passes, but equally, he wasted a lot of possession and ran into trouble a number of times as well.

How did Gibson play?

Reid showed enough today and has shown ample in recent weeks to justify a place on the squad.

[rebelmusic]

Gibson didnt even make the bench. O'shea played well though, setup utd's first goal

[Crosby87]

O'shea actually had a hand in the tying goal too, kept it in and the like.
You know Andy should not have come off today.

And A blind man could see based on talent vs the end of the Ireland bench that he should obviously be in the squad.

Im thinking:......we get Germany in the playoffs. Andy Reid in the 90th minute to give us a road goal. Ireland Qualify for world cup. Trap hugs him. All is forgiven.

[backstothewall]

If he causes problems in the squad if he isn't being picked, you can only call him up if your going to play him. That said, if he keeps his level of performance up, that day is getting closer

[SuperDave]

O'shea actually had a hand in the tying goal too, kept it in and the like.
You know Andy should not have come off today.

And A blind man could see based on talent vs the end of the Ireland bench that he should obviously be in the squad.

Im thinking:......we get Germany in the playoffs. Andy Reid in the 90th minute to give us a road goal. Ireland Qualify for world cup. Trap hugs him. All is forgiven.

And everyone has a sing song?

[youngirish]

And everyone has a sing song?

Seems a bit severe being frozen out of the team for over a year for a sing song. I wonder what the sing song went like.

Trap: Whatza matta you? Hey. Gotta no respect. What-a you t'ink you do? Why you look so sad? It's a nota so bad. You losa ya place.
Andy Reid: Ah shuttupa ya face.

[Junior]

When Andy did eventually retire to bed in the early hours it is rumoured there was a horses head in there waiting for him.

[Leeside Swagger]

Not looking good for Andy.
http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2009/1006/ireland.html

[Tipp Townie]

Not looking good for Andy.
http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2009/1006/ireland.html

I just cannot understand that at all. He's one of the form players in the PREMIERSHIP. Don't get me wrong, within reason i think its important for managers to stick to their principles.

But i didn't think the incident last year would be of sufficient seriousness to warrant his exclusion for this long (in Trap's mind), but maybe i'm not remembering it correctly? Can someone remind me what exactly happened? (i would traawl back through the previous 52 pages but i'm at work and time is tight!)

[bwagner]

enough is enough this is pathetic from the manager and Brady!!!!

[Drumcondra 69er]

But i didn't think the incident last year would be of sufficient seriousness to warrant his exclusion for this long (in Trap's mind), but maybe i'm not remembering it correctly? Can someone remind me what exactly happened? (i would traawl back through the previous 52 pages but i'm at work and time is tight!)


Rumour is (and I stress rumour) that after giving a curfew Trap came down around half an hour later to find Andy a few other still drinking and singing. He gave them a final warning only to come back down a little later to find it still going on. This caused him to lose his rag a bit and rather foolishly Andy took it upon himself to give a few verbals back. This enraged Trap further so he tw@tted Andy over the head with a rolled up copy of Gazetta Del Sport!

Trap then decided he'd make an example of Andy questioning his authority to lay down a marker.

As I say this is pure conjecture but is what the most recent printed account of it read a few weeks ago in one of the papers (Indo or Herald I think).

It's gone on long enough at this stage if true and I'd have him in the squad in a heartbeat on current form. He could even be brought in as cover on the flanks at the moment if he's not Trap's style of player in the centre.

[LFCSixty/Eighty]

enough is enough this is pathetic from the manager and Brady!!!!

Your exactly right. I've lost all respect for Brady since he got this job. Seems like he's there for the easy buck, nice little add on to his Arsenal wages. He obviously doesn't want to stand up for his principles and rock the boat with Trap. What exactly is he there for anyway, Trap already has a translator doesn't he?

[bwagner]

Brady always commented about Reid's weight when he use to be on the rte panel. well he has since lost the weight and is playing better than S Ireland at the moment. Yet they are mad to get Ireland back and wont give Reid ( who has publicly begged to come back) a chance...Madness

[Drumcondra 69er]

Your exactly right. I've lost all respect for Brady since he got this job. Seems like he's there for the easy buck, nice little add on to his Arsenal wages. He obviously doesn't want to stand up for his principles and rock the boat with Trap. What exactly is he there for anyway, Trap already has a translator doesn't he?

Pathetic post. On what basis is that on? It's not his call to pick the squad, if you have a beef it's with Trapattoni. If Trap doesn't want Reid in the squad for whatever reason it's not Brady's call. .

[Razors left peg]

I want Reid back in the squad as much as anyone but in this case I can see the thinking. Reid has been playing brilliantly on left of midfield this season where as Rowlands is a center midfielder. Personally I think Reid is one of the best midfielders we have but if Trap only sees him as a wide player then fair enough. I would be much more annoyed at this stage if another winger was brought in as a replacement ahead of him

[DeLorean]

Pathetic post. On what basis is that on? It's not his call to pick the squad, if you have a beef it's with Trapattoni. If Trap doesn't want Reid in the squad for whatever reason it's not Brady's call. .

True. And in fairness, for all we know Brady could be encouraging Trap to consider Reid. There's no point in making wild assumptions and wanting Brady's head on that basis.

[LFCSixty/Eighty]

True. And in fairness, for all we know Brady could be encouraging Trap to consider Reid. There's no point in making wild assumptions and wanting Brady's head on that basis.

True. Is it too late to retract that outburst. I just wish someone was able to convince trap to back down on this one. Maybe its asking too much for Brady to do so.

[Tipp Townie]

Reid ( who has publicly begged to come back)

Has this actually happened? With an apology?

I'm not doubting you bwagner, just a genuine question because i don't know.

[DeLorean]

True. Is it too late to retract that outburst. I just wish someone was able to convince trap to back down on this one. Maybe its asking too much for Brady to do so.

It's never too late, it just usually doesn't happen here at foot.ie. Most of us are far too stubborn so we go about exploring another avenue to prove our self-knowingly dodgy post!!


Has this actually happened? With an apology?

I'm not doubting you bwagner, just a genuine question because i don't know.

Don't think it's happened with an apology. Think he just said he was desperate to get back into contention or something. He was in the squad and ready to come on in the match after it though so it seems to have been a bit of a delayed reaction from Trap.

[LFCSixty/Eighty]

[QUOTE=DeLorean;1244798]It's never too late, it just usually doesn't happen here at foot.ie. Most of us are far too stubborn so we go about exploring another avenue to prove our self-knowingly dodgy post!!


Hahaha. I never thought of doing that!

[Diarmo]

Am I alone in wishing that Liam Miller was leading the sing song that night instead of Andy?

[DeLorean]

Am I alone in wishing that Liam Miller was leading the sing song that night instead of Andy?

We may be already qualified if it was Kilbane!! nah poor Kev, that's harsh.

[geysir]

Has this actually happened? With an apology?

If there was anything to apologise over, it would not take the form of a public apology.

It could be that Trap is using the exile as a 'look what can happen to you if you dare step out of line' to the rest of the squad.

[aidz1]

Its completely ridiculus that reid has again been overlooked.
Always thought he was good enough to be named in the squad. But on his recent club preformances, he is now good enough to start for us in the first 11.
To be overlooked again is shameful treatment from Trapp. Thought with his experience, he would have been a better manager than that.

[LFCSixty/Eighty]

I think this proves what many have suspected all along and the decision to leave out Reid has nothing to do with tactics/formation/not fitting into a system etc etc, that has been used to defend his actions but purely because he can't let whatever happened in Mainz go, for the good of the team and for our qualification hopes. Pretty sad really.

[Drumcondra 69er]

I think this proves what many have suspected all along and the decision to leave out Reid has nothing to do with tactics/formation/not fitting into a system etc etc, that has been used to defend his actions but purely because he can't let whatever happened in Mainz go, for the good of the team and for our qualification hopes. Pretty sad really.

Still can't agree with your point of view. I doubt very much that Andy Reid is the first player that Trap has fallen out with and a man of his experience and record is free to manage as he see fit if he gets the required results. After the campaign is the only time we can judge if it's harmed our qualification hopes or not.

In fairness, everything on this thread is heresay in any case. I'd love to see him back but we can't pass judgements based on the patchy information that we have.

[Junior]

I think this proves what many have suspected all along and the decision to leave out Reid has nothing to do with tactics/formation/not fitting into a system etc etc, that has been used to defend his actions but purely because he can't let whatever happened in Mainz go, for the good of the team and for our qualification hopes. Pretty sad really.

How so? If Traps reasoning is of a tactical nature, then surely this same argument would still hold true. Particualrly with Reid playing well as he is in a wide role not a central role that Rowlands has been called up to cover.

[LFCSixty/Eighty]

How so? If Traps reasoning is of a tactical nature, then surely this same argument would still hold true. Particualrly with Reid playing well as he is in a wide role not a central role that Rowlands has been called up to cover.

Well, Noel Hunt isn't exactly a straight swap for Caleb Folan is he? If he was looking for this he should surely have picked Clinton Morrison. So not every replacement Trap picks is a carbon copy of the person he replaces. I'll be honest and say that I haven't seen much of Martin Rowlands play but I don't think he is the exact same player as Steven Reid, so surely there is room more manouevre on this. With the news that Duff looks like he'll be ruled out of the 2 qualifiers, there is now no excuse for Trap not to pick Reid!!!

[bwagner]

Has this actually happened? With an apology?

I'm not doubting you bwagner, just a genuine question because i don't know.

He stated twice to the papers around the start of the season ..i cant remember the exact quotes but ...

[ChrisRed]

Trapattoni insists Reid could come back

http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2009/1006/trapattoni.html

[irishfan86]

This segment here enrages me....KEOGH IS NOT A WINGER!!!


Against Manchester United, he (Reid) played well - and he played better the game before. But, at the moment, he is playing wide left. He played against John O'Shea and played well.

At this time, we have Aiden McGeady, we have Andy Keogh, we have Liam Lawrence - we have others in this position.

[Razors left peg]

This segment here enrages me....KEOGH IS NOT A WINGER!!!

that was the one piece of the article that jumped out at me too.The lad has been very good for Wolves up front this season and absolutely brutal for us anytime he is played as a winger, what the hell in that leads a manager who is experienced to believe that Keogh can continue to do a job on the wing for us.Its not fair to Keogh to keep pushing him out of position either

[irishfan86]

If Reid is excluded because he's deemed 5th in the winger category behind Duff, Hunt, Lawrence, and McGeady, I can accept that...however with Duff injured, I feel Reid is the natural replacement.

As you say, Keogh being labelled a winger is unfair on him as well because he's simply no good there.

[paul_oshea]

This segment here enrages me....KEOGH IS NOT A WINGER!!!

ya and if you read it right then it proves what Trap is saying is crap. Keogh is not a winger but a forward, and yet he is picked as a winger by trap and played as a winger. Reid is a central midfielder, but he is now saying to suit him that he is a left winger and that we already have them, and that he is playing out of position at his club. If he can play keogh out of position then he could play "reid out of position" too.

[Brendan 82]

ya and if you read it right then it proves what Trap is saying is crap. Keogh is not a winger but a forward, and yet he is picked as a winger by trap and played as a winger. Reid is a central midfielder, but he is now saying to suit him that he is a left winger and that we already have them, and that he is playing out of position at his club. If he can play keogh out of position then he could play "reid out of position" too.

That, my friend, is very much open for debate. I believe he should be called up though.