Andy Reid(b 1982)

[joema]

Fair point but is it coincidence that his better performance have come when he has looked in reasonable shape? I don't know about anyone else but there were times when I thought he looked noticably bigger than other times.

Anyway it's been done to death, at the end of the day he's a very good player for us who should be in the team when fit never mind the squad.

Fair point but is it alos a coincidence that his bad form occured after injury

[strangeirish]

Does anyone know if Reid has made any comments to the press about not being included in the squad?

[Den Perry]

Any mention of any dropouts from squad that might allow Reid to get in? There's no doubt he should be there in the first place!


if i was Reid I'd tell staunton to stick his team up his b oll*x

He wont have to spend long in the wilderness anyway because that clown will be gone soon

[tetsujin1979]

Does anyone know if Reid has made any comments to the press about not being included in the squad?
HAven't heard anything, but he's hardly likely to say anything negative about it, it would only be giving Staunton a reason to not include him in the next squad

[Stuttgart88]

I only saw 35 mins of the first half of Charlton's game last night. Promising showing from Reid I thought given his lack of match fitness.

He rarely took his man on but was accurate in his passing. His first touch was good and he showed that crucial awareness when receiving the ball. He played wide left but frequently drifted inside, finding space regularly.

He gave the ball away only once that I saw, was a little slow to track back a couple of times and two corners didn't clear the first defender.

He had one great shot from distance which only narrowly went wide.

Anyone see the second half?

[eirebhoy]

I didn't see the match but he was booked for a tackle in the 92nd minute after chasing back which is encouraging. :)

[as_i_say]

he really is a sublime passer of the ball. he's just one of those players that will more than likely end up playing for ireland in a position where he really doesnt feel comfortable. he's no winger thats for sure.

[shakermaker1982]

I watched the 2nd half and also kept an eye on Reidy- having watched him a lot for Forest he is slowly showing glimpses of his class. Fingers crossed he gets back to full fitness and proving the critics wrong. Reidy was never a player who'd chase lost causes so always appeared lazy (he always had a bit of weight on him as well and the missus would call him umpa lumpa boy but what does she know??!!!) but he is very quick in possession of the ball, and his passing stands out from the rest if he gets into his groove.

Last night his control was spot on, his passing and switch of play went well and I only remember him wasting one free kick with 5 or so minutes left. If he stays clear of injury then Charlton will rely of his goals this season.

[Emmet]

What's with his weight / general fitness? Has he worked on that since he left Spurs or is it still an issue?

[joeSoap]

What's with his weight / general fitness? Has he worked on that since he left Spurs or is it still an issue?Sadly I think he's destined to go through life as one of the 'fatboys' and no matter what he does, his fitness will never be what it should be for a premiership/international footballer.

He was wrecked after 25 minutes last night, but fair play, he kept on til the end.

[endabob1]

He has the ability but not the application, Spurs were desperate for a left sided player but let Reid go because he is a fat, lazy, wasterel.... allegedly ;)

[Stuttgart88]

I took a good look at Reid at the Czech game. At times he was only yards away from me. I really am not sure he's carrying fat. His chest is almost over developed from weights and his jersey hangs loose as a result.

Anyone who saw him as a teenager will have thought he has all the skill but not the size to make it. My guess is he's beefed up in the gym to compensate for this.

His match fitness is another issue entirely & that will only come if he stays injury free.

[eirebhoy]

It's impossible to be "fat" at a premiership club in this day and age and expect to get your game. ffs I have a weighing scales here in the house that can measure the percentage of fat, muscle and water in your body correct to 1 decimal place. :) As Stutts said, match fitness is another issue. If John Hayes can get through 80 minutes I'm sure Reid will be fine. :)

[pete]

He has the ability but not the application, Spurs were desperate for a left sided player but let Reid go because he is a fat, lazy, wasterel.... allegedly ;)

I don't know if he fat but he certainly does not have the pace or stamina that is expected of a top class player. He is better than McGeady but I cannot remember the last time he lasted 90 minutes of international football.

[CraftyToePoke]

i watched him lastnight and thought his passing was a notch or two above anyone else out there, his speed of thought when on it allied to his vision when picking the pass, and the ability to hit passes at angles which other players didnt/couldnt was impressive.

he was lacking legs though, wheather or not he is carrying weight or not, is he enough of an athlete for a prem midfield career?

im begining to think his game might be suited to a slower paced league, Spanish perhaps?

[Noelys Guitar]

I thought he played well last night. Hit the post with one shot from outside the box. Looked Charlton's most dangerous player. He was still chasing back at the end of the game but made one woeful tackle and got booked for it. We would have to surround him wth tacklers like Carsley and Douglas. Come to think of it thats not a bad idea. The good thing about Reid is he does carry a goal threat. Takes good free kicks and corners. And even though I thought he was off the pace against the Czechs that was due to lack of match fitness. I would definetely play him against San Marino. A very good judge of players Harry Rednapp tried to sign him before he went to Spurs. What I liked about his performance last night was his commitment. He chased and kept himself involved the whole time.

[dr_peepee]

Doyles fitness permitting I think Keane will play that Deep lying role. Reid occupied for the swiss game. I think we have to make room for him in the middle but I wouldn't play him, Duff and Mgeady in the same mid field four.

I think Reid is unique in the Ireland squad in what he has to offer so I'd actually play Reid and Duff either side of any two from Carsley/Douglas/SReid and the like. There was a period under Kerr were they were switching wings to good effect.

I'd introduce McGeady depending on how they're coping with Duff.

[bawn79]

How about playing duff behind the striker (Doyle or Keane)? With Andy Reid and McGeady on the wings and two water carriers from Carsley, Douglas, Reid, Kilbane etc.
Would playing Duff in the middle when he is being double marked be more effective?
Ive been thinking about it, when you are stuck up against the side-line double-marking is very effective denying u space, perhaps playing him in the middle might free him up a bit giving him options left and right.
When he is on the left-side and is double marked he only has two options really, try to take on the player on the touchline where he will be covered by the second marker or else pass inside to the right.

[dr_peepee]

Robbie Keane is at his best when he is playing in the role behind the striker. But I honestly don't think we could facilitate Duff, McGeady, A Reid, Doyle and Robbie Keane in the same starting eleven.

I could see possibly McGeady and Duff flanking Doyle, ah la chelsea last year, in Robbie Keanes absence, or I'm sure there's other tactical possibitlities depending on availibility.

But all available and fit in a first eleven, I think its leaves us a soft team. You have to balance the attacking/progressive players with a bit of graft and metal outside the back four. Carsley will graft but he won't clock up the miles during a game. An Oul pre-world cup colin healy wouldn't go amiss for me. Or maybe the player Steven Reid has the potential to be but still falls woefully short for my liking.

Brady said after the czech game the Wenger told him that the French expected a war when the played here last year, and never got it. Douglas and Carsley re-affirmed something I believe in last wednesday by there physical presence. I'm curious as to see what the B internationals have to offer in terms of midfeild "donkeys", outside of Douglas, Kavanagh etc.(Assuming Carsley is the main man and we're looking for a partner)

[dr_peepee]

Reid looked good on MOTD last night.

[gspain]

Reid looked good on MOTD last night.

Only saw highlights on MOTD too but he looked a different class although that wasn't hard. Stepen Jordan had the proverbial nightmare though for Man City.

[Stuttgart88]

Extracts from yesterday's Observer (prompted by TrickyColour on another thread :)):

Reid sparkles but Dowie hits the boos
Jamie Jackson at The Valley
Sunday October 22, 2006
The Observer


Dowie, though, decided on 4-4-1-1, with Darren Bent the lone frontman and Andy Reid given responsibility to shape the game behind him. In the first half this paid off, and Reid was the most influential player, his positioning and distribution a puzzle the visitors failed to solve. 'He's got the talent for this level and was outstanding,' Dowie said. After five minutes, the Republic of Ireland international's pass behind the defence found Bent. But his shot was saved.


Before the break, Reid produced another fine stop from Foster, this time from a free-kick on the edge of the D. Then from a charged-down Matt Holland shot, Ashley Young's pace took him down the opposite end to bring Carson into action.


If Reid had produced more of these displays at former club Spurs, he would surely still be at White Hart Lane. On the hour his vision allowed Luke Young in, but a first touch from the England squad member that would embarrass a parks player took the ball away into Ben Foster's hands.

Dowie had probably accepted the draw when Reid, Rommedahl and Bent combined to allow the striker time and space on the left of the Watford area. His effort, part shot, part cross, had his manager in despair. It was a long afternoon.

Man of the match
Andy Reid

A performance to remind us why he was picked out to leave Nottingham Forest for the big time. Smooth, influential and with more time than anyone else. Unfortunately his team-mates were unable to match his talent. Providing he stays slim, watch this space.


Stuttgart88 adds: good to see he's rated highly by someone other than us green-tinted viewers who were saying similar things about him above! This is highly encouraging. Pity we've already played 3 internationals this season though. And he wasn't even picked for one despite being fit.

[Stuttgart88]

The Times gave Reid 8/10, saying Charlton were entertaining and in Andy Reid they had a player in top form. Reid provided a link between midfield and attack and his judgment was a delight to watch

The Independent gave Reid MoTM citing a virtuoso display of creativity from the former Tottenham midfielder Andy Reid, employed as an energetic playmaker

Sunday Telegraph (Patrick Barclay) headline and extracts from match report:

Only Reid stands tall as ideas run dry at Valley

If Andy Reid had got what his performance merited, Charlton would have received a substantial injection of the confidence they need. The classy midfielder was a cut above the rest,

... the skilful Reid kept finding and using space. The trouble was Bent's finishing. He let Ben Foster save with a leg and then, after being released by Reid following a delightful one-two with Thomas, sent a low shot wide.

Even after Watford's captain, Gavin Mahon, had sensed it might be a good idea to close-mark Reid, the former Nottingham Forest and Tottenham midfielder displayed superb technique in driving Thomas's cutback first-time with such accuracy that Foster was glad to divert it for a corner. The goalkeeper did equally well to watch with a hawk's eye a free kick from Reid that swerved and then straightened; as Foster turned it over the crossbar, Reid gave a little stamp of frustration.

We were grateful to have Reid's subtleties to admire in the first half.

Reid still played them almost on his own, stealing behind Dan ****tu and nudging the ball past the advancing Foster – but not hard enough to take it over the line. With a clever little stroke into Luke Young's path as the right-back surged into the penalty area, he returned to the task of fashioning opportunities for others, but Young's first touch was more like a weak shot and Foster had only to bend over and pick it up.

Meanwhile Dowie sent on Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink and went to 4-4-2 with Reid notionally to the left, though the Dubliner continued to roam in search of that breakthrough which never came.

Full report here http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/main.jhtml?view=DETAILS&grid=&xml=/sport/2006/10/22/sfgcha22.xml including photo of Reid. Judge his physique yourselves. Flabby or chunky? I think the latter.

[youngirish]

He got an 8 and a MOTM in the English Sun today also.

[Dodge]

From he highlights he was very impressive and everything chalton did came through him. Also chased back hard in the dying minutes.

[eirebhoy]

Good to see he was playing in a central role. He has the ability to be Charlton's star man.

[Stuttgart88]

Interestingly, today's Guardian gave Gavin Mahon of Watford man of the match, not Reid.

[DotTV]

I only saw the higlights and it was against Watford but Reid looked pure class on Saturday.
He played like he used to with Forest

[eirebhoy]

Here's a recent interview with him:
http://www.cafc.co.uk/uploads/Charlton29808News1.wma

[bmozza]

I've given Andy Reid a good bit of stick on this website about his weight etc...but on Match of the Day against Watford he did look a class act. The commentator also mentioned what a great game he was having. Hopefully he'll go on from here, playing regulary and getting to a high fitness level, that will help us no end in our remaining qualifying games.

[gwhite]

Interestingly, today's Guardian gave Gavin Mahon of Watford man of the match, not Reid.

This Gavin Mahon fella looks a decent player and he's captaining the side too. With a name like that he must have some Irish roots. Anybody heard anything about this?

[Stuttgart88]

Check this out:

http://www.foot.ie/showthread.php?t=36116&highlight=gavin+mahon

Edit: Actually, I've just read over that whole thread. Really good reading. Interesting to see how consistent I / we have been over the last year. For the record, I dissed Carsley as being decent but not good enough, berated Miller and said good things about Douglas. I have changed my mind entirely on the first and maintain my view on the last two. The thread contains one of eirebhoy's frequent assertions that Reid should be playing CM for us.

[gwhite]

Good reading all right. But was born in '77, will be 30 in January. I can't see Stan picking him, though I think he'd be ok for this and the next campaign. Personally I've no problem with the parentage rule, I don't think we're in a position to be choosy but what happened to Stan's "I'm gonna explore the granny rule route to the full" statement (or words to that effect). Doesn't look like he's being doing much exploring to me.

[tetsujin1979]

Doesn't look like he's being doing much exploring to me.
He's been reviled on this forum for the players he's pursued to declare for Ireland, Gary Cahill at Villa and St Ledger spring to mind.
Damned if you, damned if you don't

[elroy]

He's been reviled on this forum for the players he's pursued to declare for Ireland, Gary Cahill at Villa and St Ledger spring to mind.
Damned if you, damned if you don't

At the end of the day what we want most is success. If having a few players who have Irish roots declare for us helps us reach our goal then all well and good.

[Jamjar]

I took a good look at Reid at the Czech game. .

So did eveyone else, hard not to miss the porker.

[tetsujin1979]

At the end of the day what we want most is success. If having a few players who have Irish roots declare for us helps us reach our goal then all well and good.
gwhite had stated that Staunton had not done much exploring for players to declare for Ireland. He had, much more than Kerr did in his tenure, even in the short time he's been in charge. For that, he's come in for severe criticism on the board, I was just pointing that out that Staunton has made an effort.
Personally I've no problems with players not born here declaring for Ireland.

[gwhite]

I think he could be doing more though. Has anyone heard of this guy called Prendergast (can't think of his first name and hope I have his surname right), who plays in the MLS in the US? An Irish American who wants to play for the Republic. Apparently he was voted either player of the year or young player of the year last season. Ok MLS teams are probably on a par with the English championship but you can bet he'd be one hell of an athlete. Look at Giuseppe Rossi....

[Fergie's Son]

I wouldn't put most MLS teams on par with the Championship. I'd put them as being better than the LOI but not quite at Championship level.

[Stuttgart88]

I think he could be doing more though. Has anyone heard of this guy called Prendergast (can't think of his first name and hope I have his surname right), who plays in the MLS in the US? An Irish American who wants to play for the Republic.

I think we've given caps to young defenders Parkhurst & Pilkington from the US. Will need to check...

Edit: just dida search. I was put right by Metrostars a while back. We capped Michael Keohane. Parkurst has said he would play for Ireland as a secondary option!

[livehead1]

I wouldn't put most MLS teams on par with the Championship. I'd put them as being better than the LOI but not quite at Championship level.

Seriously, i'd reconsider that point. This was the USA team that reached the world cup finals
http://www.ussoccer.com/articles/viewArticle.jsp_280933.html

11 out of the 23 players play in the MLS. Another 3 were at clubs in the championship. So 14 of their 23 players play at a level below the championship or at best, at championship level. Yet they are able to compete in the world cup finals. I think either you are mistaken, or you don't know what your talking about.

[tricky_colour]

Anyone thing he has lost his appetite since he moved up to the Premiership?

[carloz]

He is definly not hungry for pies:rolleyes:

[citizenerased]

if only, it would do the pigeon chested little fiend the world of good

[OwlsFan]

I saw a lot of Andy Reid when he was playing outside the Premiership and I really thought he was the real deal. I still think he has talent to burn and is young enough to make it still if he has the hunger (no snide comment intended). Trouble is why would an average Premiership team like Spurs let him go? Very difficult to stop the downward spiral once it starts.

[shakermaker1982]

I think Reid excels at teams where he is the main man (Forest and Charlton) - maybe he struggled fitting in with the so called star names that Spurs had?. Reid got injured at Spurs on a frequent basis and couldn't get any momentum going and when Charlton came in with a bid they got rid. I don't think they shipped him off because he was overweight. He was podgy at Forest and could still play for 90 minutes no bother. Spurs must have knew this when they bought him surely.....I really believe if he stays fit this season he'll do the business.

[pete]

Reid has the talent & drive but not the physique for top level football.

If he was good enough would have been kept by Spurs but he never excelled. I've no idea if he lazy training or bad metabolism but either way he is unable to play more good 60 minutes in the Premiership or in Internationals.

[shakermaker1982]

I don't think just because Spurs shipped him off that it means he wasn't good enough. Plenty of teams over the years have shipped off players who went on to achieve better things and prove those clubs/managers wrong - McGrath and Fergie being one Irish example. When Fergie got rid who'd have thought he'd be the lynchpin of a Villa and Irish side a few years later? Look at the way Arsene Wenger brought in various players from Italian sides who weren't deemed good enough and went on to be world class players? With the right manager behind Reid I think he can come good. His weight isn't ideal but I don't think it has a serious detriment on his performances. He is still quick on the turn and speedy over short distances.

Don't get me wrong he wasn't at his best at Spurs but being injured/moved all over midfield did not help.

[drummerboy]

BBC are reporting that Andy Reid is out for rest of season. Diaster for him.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/c/charlton_athletic/6506791.stm

[galwayhoop]

especially as charlton look doomed to get relegated giving him very little chance of a transfer to the premiership. although not a disaster for us i suppose as he will get in a good pre-season and hopefully be fit come september to give us more options