Andy Reid(b 1982)

[Colbert Report]

Neil was responding to the suggestion that Reid deserves a squad place ahead of McShane, a centre back.

He definitely deserves Miller's place in the squad. Loyalty is one thing (Charlton did the same thing) but this is borderline ludicrous.

[Crosby87]

Neil was responding to the suggestion that Reid deserves a squad place ahead of McShane, a centre back.

Some people think that if you replace a player you MUST replace him with a player of the same position. Obviously anyone of moderate intelligence knows this is not always the case.

[irishfan86]

The problem is that Trap doesn't see Reid as a centre-mid or wide-player, but rather an attacking midfielder/trequartista, similar to the way that he sees Robbie Keane.

I think if Reid came into the squad, it would be for the purpose of covering Robbie.

[OwlsFan]

Some people think that if you replace a player you MUST replace him with a player of the same position. Obviously anyone of moderate intelligence knows this is not always the case.

Are you saying that you're of moderate intelligence :p

Great to see Reid starting a league game for Sunderland. Now, let's see if he can keep his place and have a run of 10 games or more.

[FarBeag]

Watched Reid on tele last night against Hull. He was excellent skill full ,creative, intelligent and bagged a very good goal. His passing and dead ball kicks were good and he looks fitter than I have ever seen him. He is really putting in the effort. It looks like he is in the Sunderland first team to stay.

It is total madness not to have a player of his ability in the Ireland squad.

[Murfinator]

Was very impressed with Reid yesterday, looks like a new player this season and on more than one occasion tore Mcshane to bits, even leaving him dead for pace at one point which is something I've....never seen Reid do before.

Only downside for us is he's returning to his natural left wing position which is far and away our strongest area and best covered on the pitch.

[seanfhear]

In fairness Andy Reid has more to offer than Liam Miller and now that Liam has got a club it is time to consider his place in the squad.

And is a creative player and would offer something different. Whether he fits into Trapps way of thinking is another question.

His set piece deliveries can be good.

[Stuttgart88]

Very strong showing yesterday. I hope everyone involved just grows up and calls him back into the fold asap.

[Murfinator]

I think he should be called back but I don't see trap using him in the centre, he probably sees him as even more competition for Duff, McGeady, Hunt and Lawrence in the wide roles.

Which is fair enough, it'd be bad management to change your entire system to accommodate a player who just happens to be in form. I'd personally build my team around Andy Reid but I understand where Trap is going from with his system and I'll respect that, it's got us results after all.

I'd like to think though that if somebody like Duff did pick up a serious injury he wouldn't be too proud to call up Reid.

[FarBeag]

He is still a better player than Hunt, Lawrence and Keogh in that position imo.

[aidz1]

I think he should be called back but I don't see trap using him in the centre, he probably sees him as even more competition for Duff, McGeady, Hunt and Lawrence in the wide roles.

Which is fair enough, it'd be bad management to change your entire system to accommodate a player who just happens to be in form. I'd personally build my team around Andy Reid but I understand where Trap is going from with his system and I'll respect that, it's got us results after all.

I'd like to think though that if somebody like Duff did pick up a serious injury he wouldn't be too proud to call up Reid.

Think it was McGeady and Duff who were ruled out injured of the italian away game in Bari, yet Reid wasnt even called then...

[Murfinator]

Reid didn't have a regular place for his club team at the time though nor was he playing particularly well.

[Noelys Guitar]

Reid gave Paul McShane the runaround yesterday. At one stage he nutmegged Hunt and then brought the ball back to beat him again. It sure looked like he was taking the **** out of both McShane and Hunt.

[Predator]

He had a solid game and scored a goal. Hopefully his form will continue and maybe he can force Trapattoni to take notice.

[amaccann]

At this point in the campaign I would say Reid hasn't a chance of getting back in; Trap will stick with the Andrews/Gibson/Whelan midfield until the end, and likely into the play-offs (in fact, doubly so given the playoffs are do-or-die). I'd say Reid only stands a chance of forcing his way in IF we qualify & during the warm-up games.

[shakermaker1982]

If the Trap doesn't fancy him as a central midfield player couldn't he start him on the left? Switch Duffer to the right. I'd have a fit and in form Andy Reid over McGeady and Hunt if I'm being honest.

[Murfinator]

I would too but I understand where trap is coming from if he doesn't go with that.

Andy Reid hasn't been fit or in form at any point during Trap's reign until right this moment. McGeady and Hunt have been both to some extent and both have done reasonably well when given the chance.

You don't just kick them out of the team because some guy below them in the pecking order is performing marginally better than them.

[LFCSixty/Eighty]

I would love to send a copy of yesterdays match over to Trap's 'FAI paid for' villa in Italy (come to think of it, maybe I should send a DVD player aswell). I'm sure he won't have seen any of the football yesterday as he obviously has made up his mind about what squad he wants and no matter how many times Reid plays a blinder it won't matter!!

[amaccann]

I would love to send a copy of yesterdays match over to Trap's 'FAI paid for' villa in Italy (come to think of it, maybe I should send a DVD player aswell). I'm sure he won't have seen any of the football yesterday as he obviously has made up his mind about what squad he wants and no matter how many times Reid plays a blinder it won't matter!!
2 games left in a knife-edge campaign, and you think Trap should change the starting 11? It's not perfect - I want A. Reid on the team as much as anyone - but messing with the team at this late stage would be a foolish move.

[Scram]

2 games left in a knife-edge campaign, and you think Trap should change the starting 11? It's not perfect - I want A. Reid on the team as much as anyone - but messing with the team at this late stage would be a foolish move.

Yes, who needs a goal scoring creative midfielder who can hold the ball up, lay incisive passes, take quality frees and corners, coming in to the side and unsettling things?! :rolleyes:

[NeilMcD]

Said it before on this thread. Reid does not fit into Traps system of 2 fast wingers advanced up the pitch and two sitting central midfielders who can tackle and are physical in the midfield. He has tried having Reid in the squad as a non starter and obviously was not happy with his attitdue and demeanour around the camp and as a result he dropped him from the squad also. So no matter how much Reid plays well etc he will not fit into Traps game plan.

[kennedmc]

Now that Reid (over the last 2 games!) is showing some form there is a possibility if he keeps playing well he will be in the next squad.

To be honest up until that point he wasn't really featuring for Sunderland and he was overweight. He seems to have finally got his act together on the fitness side.

[LFCSixty/Eighty]

2 games left in a knife-edge campaign, and you think Trap should change the starting 11? It's not perfect - I want A. Reid on the team as much as anyone - but messing with the team at this late stage would be a foolish move.


He may not want to change his starting 11 but it would be nice to have the option to spring Andy from the bench. I bet the game against Italy will at some stage be crying out for a bit of creativity. Its such a shame we have a manager that obviously is as stubborn as a mule (no offence to mules out there) to see the bigger picture.

[Stuttgart88]

I wonder what Brady's view is and has it changed over the last few months.

[Wolfie]

I wonder what Brady's view is and has it changed over the last few months.

Indeed - and will that view be valued and taken on board?

[paul_oshea]

Agreed - and if indeed it is taken on board, will it be acted upon?

[Stuttgart88]

Maybe Brady isn't positive about his return?

[dr_peepee]

He may not want to change his starting 11 but it would be nice to have the option to spring Andy from the bench. I bet the game against Italy will at some stage be crying out for a bit of creativity. Its such a shame we have a manager that obviously is as stubborn as a mule (no offence to mules out there) to see the bigger picture.

It's not even the creativity for me. It's his ability to retain posession. That's why it's grating when Trapp overlooks him because at the start of his reign he spoke of patience and retaining posession...Then Picks Hunt!!!

[Wolfie]

Obviously, Brady is part of the Management Team and it is only right and appropriate that he has a low media profile at the moment.

That said, with the insights he's gained - I'd like to hear what his thoughts are on the Irish team in general these days.

Purely hypothetical, but would be very interesting, I'd imagine.

[Stuttgart88]

It's not even the creativity for me. It's his ability to retain posession. That's why it's grating when Trapp overlooks him because at the start of his reign he spoke of patience and retaining posession...Then Picks Hunt!!!
He played Miller in CM against Nigeria and he was both combative and accurate with his use of the ball. His performance surprised me, not least because I thought his type of player wasn't consistent with his strategy.

In the last few games it's been obvious to me that the CMers receiving the ball do so almost in a state of panic and their distribution has generally been crap.

All Trap's system requires is discipline without the ball. It can't be that hard to learn. With the ball Reid is probably better than any of the others.

Despite what he said Trap can't have been happy with what he saw from CM in Thomond.

[gspain]

He played Miller in CM against Nigeria and he was both combative and accurate with his use of the ball. His performance surprised me, not least because I thought his type of player wasn't consistent with his strategy.

In the last few games it's been obvious to me that the CMers receiving the ball do so almost in a state of panic and their distribution has generally been crap.

All Trap's system requires is discipline without the ball. It can't be that hard to learn. With the ball Reid is probably better than any of the others.

Despite what he said Trap can't have been happy with what he saw from CM in Thomond.

I thought Miller did well v Nigeria too but given he was without a club he shouldn't have been in recent squads.

However our CM players come into their own when we don't have the ball. Trap likes 2 holding defensive midfield players. Any Reid cannot play that role. He doesn't tackle or close down well enough. He is better with the ball than our current options.

I would have him in the squad but not in the team. I'd use him as a sub if a chasing a game.

[Murfinator]

He played Miller in CM against Nigeria and he was both combative and accurate with his use of the ball. His performance surprised me, not least because I thought his type of player wasn't consistent with his strategy.

In the last few games it's been obvious to me that the CMers receiving the ball do so almost in a state of panic and their distribution has generally been crap.

All Trap's system requires is discipline without the ball. It can't be that hard to learn. With the ball Reid is probably better than any of the others.

Despite what he said Trap can't have been happy with what he saw from CM in Thomond.

Refreshing to see truths like that spoken, this forum seems to have a personal vendetta against Liam Miller for whatever reason. I've always thought he's a better player on the ball than both Whelan and Andrews, which isn't hard admittedly but still.

[dr_peepee]

He played Miller in CM against Nigeria and he was both combative and accurate with his use of the ball. His performance surprised me, not least because I thought his type of player wasn't consistent with his strategy.


Dude... Why don't you just marry Millers performance against Nigeria:D

Yeah though... Not all of the things we're seeing from the CMs are down to strict tactical obedience on their part. They're clearly not comfortable in alot of cases.

[dr_peepee]

Refreshing to see truths like that spoken, this forum seems to have a personal vendetta against Liam Miller for whatever reason. I've always thought he's a better player on the ball than both Whelan and Andrews, which isn't hard admittedly but still.

Millers problem is that he's too comfortable on the ball sometimes. At least once a game he'll have his foot on the ball with head in the air and someone will nip in behinds him and take it from under him. Happens way too often. Gives away alot of frees too.

[Stuttgart88]

However our CM players come into their own when we don't have the ball. Trap likes 2 holding defensive midfield players. Any Reid cannot play that role. He doesn't tackle or close down well enough. The thing is though, that the 2 CMs we use don't chase down the ball either. Instead they take up good positions behind the ball and, like Gilberto Silva made a career doing, put themselves in between the ball and the defence. The attacking team must play around them, not through them. This is in stark contrast to, say, man United, who chase the ball down ewhen they don't have it.

I'm not sure whether it's true Reid couldn't play this role. In my opinion it's discipline and awareness that's required, rather than tenacious tackling ability.


That said, I'm not sure I'd start him either (not centrally anyway) but for me CM just did not work against SA or Cyprus in any sense other than keeping SA at bay for most of the game. If there's a way we can continue this discipline with better use of the ball I'd love to see it.

[Stuttgart88]

Dude... Why don't you just marry Millers performance against Nigeria:DBecause apparently I'm already married to Plastic Paddy.

Was just trying to point out that maybe Trap isn't as hung up on the attributes of the two CMs as we thought.

[geysir]

Would it be that difficult for a pro like Andy to adopt a semi aggressive sentry position outside our box?

One of our regular problems is we get snookered playing the ball out from the back, against a team that is anxious to close us down.

[Razors left peg]

Said it before on this thread. Reid does not fit into Traps system of 2 fast wingers advanced up the pitch and two sitting central midfielders who can tackle and are physical in the midfield. He has tried having Reid in the squad as a non starter and obviously was not happy with his attitdue and demeanour around the camp and as a result he dropped him from the squad also. So no matter how much Reid plays well etc he will not fit into Traps game plan.


He should fit into the wingers category ahead of Keogh every time. I cant argue with Traps policy of his 2 sitting midfielders coz that system is getting us results and maybe last season Reid didnt do enough to get himself back into the squad. But it looks like he has had a long hard look in the mirror and decided he is going to do his best to make the world cup squad. I just hope Trap is open to his return if his form is good as much as he is open to Steven Ireland, who would be more of a danger of being a disruption(although personally I dont believe either would be disruptive if brought back)

[Stuttgart88]

he is going to do his best to make the world cup squad.Sorry to rain on the parade a bit but:

i'd say we have an 80% chance of making the play-offs. I'd say we have at best a 50% chance of winning a play off. So at best we have a 40% chance of making the finals.

It's the same on a few other threads: feet on the ground time lads.

[youngirish]

Sorry to rain on the parade a bit but:

i'd say we have an 80% chance of making the play-offs. I'd say we have at best a 50% chance of winning a play off. So at best we have a 40% chance of making the finals.

It's the same on a few other threads: feet on the ground time lads.
I'd put it more like 80% getting to the play-off, 40% winning it overall 32% possibility of qualification but I agree with the overall point.

[Stuttgart88]

I did say "at best" a 50% chance! I agree - I really think we're considerably odds against quualifying and that's not really got anything to do with Reid, no-Reid etc.

Hopefully the mnanager's experience of winning big games / ties will be of benefit.

[dr_peepee]

I did say "at best" a 50% chance! I agree - I really think we're considerably odds against quualifying and that's not really got anything to do with Reid, no-Reid etc.

Hopefully the mnanager's experience of winning big games / ties will be of benefit.

The Reid-No Reid factor becomes relavent regarding our lack of tactical options beyond Trapps preffered starting stance. The only plan B we have is Folan.

[NeilMcD]

Brady was very critical of Reids weight in his tribune articles for a long time under Kerr and Staunton.

[Scram]

I'd put it more like 80% getting to the play-off, 40% winning it overall 32% possibility of qualification but I agree with the overall point.

Overall, I'd agree. Shouldn't be thinking about more than a 30-40% chance of being in SA. Therefore, travel agents should be charging 30-40% of Market price for packages!

[Noelys Guitar]

Brady was very critical of Reids weight in his tribune articles for a long time under Kerr and Staunton.

I can remember reading those articles and I am convinced Reids absence from the squads relates to Brady's opinions as much as Trap's and rolled up newspapers.

[Wolfie]

I can remember reading those articles and I am convinced Reids absence from the squads relates to Brady's opinions as much as Trap's and rolled up newspapers.

Apparently Brady feels that Reid has a lot to offer the Irish Midfield - but its Reids over-reliance on beginning sing songs in A Minor that are letting him down currently. :(

Hopefully Reid can work on this part of his game, possibly incorporating songs in the key of C and D alongside the Am standards.

There's no easy sing songs at International level and the lad certainly has the ability - its up to him to go and prove it now.

[geysir]

Brady has spoken well about Andy. Brady appeared to flatly contradict the perception that Trap had an issue with Reid's overall attitude while with the squad.
Brady said his exclusion was a system issue but the door was always open.


It's hard for me to stray too far away from the significance of Trap's response to the Irish team partying in Mainz. Even allowing for his natural Italian sense for drama, so much slipped out in the conference the day after the defeat to Poland.
Part of that conference was Trap 'stoutly' responding to the perception that he abandoned discipline by allowing the team to party. A large part of it of it was that there is no stretching the boundaries of his authority, that he expects a self motivated disciplined player. An attempt to stretch boundaries is a challenge to his authority.
Trap saw Andy as the slowest to move.

[eirebhoy]

Trap saw Andy as the slowest to move.
I'd say it was Reid had the guitar and Trap vented his anger in his direction. Reid felt he was being picked on and had a word back.

[Razors left peg]

Sorry to rain on the parade a bit but:

i'd say we have an 80% chance of making the play-offs. I'd say we have at best a 50% chance of winning a play off. So at best we have a 40% chance of making the finals.

It's the same on a few other threads: feet on the ground time lads.

Fair enough but I meant from Reids point of view he looked at himself this summer and decided that he would try make the squad for next summer if we got there, I wasnt presuming we would definately be there

[geysir]

Reid felt he was being picked on and had a word back.

That was not enough on it's own, I'd hazard a guess that Trap continued to observe Andy in the subsequent squad.