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paul_oshea
15/09/2009, 12:56 PM
Geysir, I like the meticulous use of most apt words.

Slowest, being most apparent. ;)

paul_oshea
15/09/2009, 12:57 PM
That was not enough on it's own, I'd hazard a guess that Trap continued to observe Andy in the subsequent squad.

I'd hazard a guess that perhaps Trap was still annoyed, but for the betterment of the team thought about playing Andy.

He then realised that we could do without reidy, with what was currently there, and therefore didn't pick him again, clouded by his anger somewhat.

eirebhoy
15/09/2009, 1:10 PM
That was not enough on it's own, I'd hazard a guess that Trap continued to observe Andy in the subsequent squad.
Yeh I know that. I saw Reid before the Cyprus game and I can understand why he wasn't in the squads. His attitude wasn't right last season but he's a decent intelligent fella and looks to have copped on.

dr_peepee
15/09/2009, 2:49 PM
I saw Reid before the Cyprus game and I can understand why he wasn't in the squads. His attitude wasn't right last season but he's a decent intelligent fella and looks to have copped on.

Exactly... That has to be shown to be worth something at least.

Noelys Guitar
19/09/2009, 12:29 PM
Outstanding play from Andy Reid for Sunderland's goal. Brings ball in from the left hand side line. Floats past two players and gives Bent a simple chance to finish. Brilliant play.

Stuttgart88
19/09/2009, 1:10 PM
Yeah, just saw it on the "red button" option. He's a different wide proposition to Duff. Duff is a conventional winger, Reid can also beat a man and put in a good cross (he's done just that against Bolton) but he also has the cut-inside & pick a pass option. In my mind this is what we need to get Keane & Doyle more into play. McGeady does this too, but which of the two is better? I'd be inclined to say Reid - he's just more effective I think.

Given Trapp's system, I think the question is not whether he should be in the team ahead of Whelan or Andrews, but whether he should be in ahead of McGeady or Hunt.

At the very least I think it's time for everyone to cop on and have this guy back in the squad. I'm all for making examples of players, but a year in the wilderness is a strong message.

In club parlance, having Reid back would be like a new signing. Having both Reids back, plus Finnan, would be a huge shot in the arm.

Crosby87
19/09/2009, 1:34 PM
Just make sure if you put Reid in the squad you take out a player his EXACT height weight and playing style, and someone who enjoys the same music as Andy or some on here will yell at you.

eirebhoy
19/09/2009, 2:55 PM
The goal:

http://rapidshare.com/files/282206421/1-1_Bent.avi

LFCSixty/Eighty
19/09/2009, 6:42 PM
Another clever assist from Andy Reid and yet another example of what he can offer to the Irish team. i don't honestly think he can do any more to warrant being picked for the next squad. He has stated he would swim the Irish channel to play but we have a manager that wouldn't even have the decency to come across and watch a few 'live' games but instead puts his feet up at home in italy what do we expect.

The first one he saw this season was a Man City game AFTER he's picked the squad, and who was he going to see...Shay Given??? Ah, sorry Trap but I think you should be going checking out a few of our more up and coming players. He even stated in one press conference that Chris McCann passed the ball 4 times in one game against Man Utd, when stats showed he had played 20. Nuff said!!

DmanDmythDledge
19/09/2009, 6:53 PM
Reid didn't have a regular place for his club team at the time though nor was he playing particularly well.
How many ****ing times does it have to be mentioned before retards drop this untruth and misconception?


Said it before on this thread. Reid does not fit into Traps system...and two sitting central midfielders who can tackle and are physical in the midfield..


I'm not sure whether it's true Reid couldn't play this role. In my opinion it's discipline and awareness that's required, rather than tenacious tackling ability.
He's proved he can play that position before (for club and country) as long as he is not the main person involved in that role. Now that his fitness is better than it has been for years he should be able to perform even better there.


Maybe Brady isn't positive about his return?


Brady has spoken well about Andy. Brady appeared to flatly contradict the perception that Trap had an issue with Reid's overall attitude while with the squad.
I was going to say the same thing. :) That comment from Brady has always intrigued me. I'd be more inclined to believe him over Trap about it. With all the (correct) stick that Trap was getting over the exclusion it was in his best interest to make it seem it was more to do with off-the-field issues rather than footballing based.

Colbert Report
19/09/2009, 6:56 PM
Andy Reid has only started two Premiership matches for Sunderland this season. They have two more Premiership matches before the international break:

Sunday September 27 home to Wolves
Saturday October 3 away to Manchester United

If he plays 90 minutes in BOTH matches and handles himself well, I don't think that there's any way Trapattoni could exclude him from the squad.

NeilMcD
19/09/2009, 6:59 PM
LFC Was it not Man City versus Wolves that he went to see, so there was more than just Given playing who was Irish. Although I dont mind Trap getting those stats wrong as longa s the most important stat which has played 8 games and 16 points and unbeaten so far. Enough said.

I think even if Reid scores a hat trick in both games, Trap will not call him up.

Stuttgart88
19/09/2009, 7:13 PM
He even stated in one press conference that Chris McCann passed the ball 4 times in one game against Man Utd, when stats showed he had played 20. Nuff said!!I think he wasn't intending to be taken literally. My take at the time was that he was simply saying McCann didn't make much of an impact on the game. All of a sudden all the stattos came out and called him up on it. If you are to be totally statistical about it, 20 passes in a game isn't exactly an indication that the next Pele is in our midst.

centre mid
19/09/2009, 7:47 PM
Just watched Bent's goal for Sunderland - sublime ball from Reid.

NeilMcD
19/09/2009, 7:49 PM
Just watched Burnleys second goal and Reid was a mile away from the full back crossing the ball. Gave him a free cross in. 2 sides to the game and as far as trap is concerned he looks at the defensive more than the attacking esp for central midfielders or wingers.

tetsujin1979
19/09/2009, 7:51 PM
Just watched Bent's goal for Sunderland - sublime ball from Reid.
savage through ball, but I was more impressed with the earlier cross from the inside left position. Any decent target man would have converted it to a shot on target.

Bit worried about Chris McCann, went off midway through the first half with a nasty injury.

NeilMcD
19/09/2009, 7:55 PM
He was half culpable for the first goal too, let his man go for that too but terrible tackle by Ferdinanad also.

centre mid
19/09/2009, 7:56 PM
Dont think you can blame him for the first, his centrehalf should have dealt with it.

NeilMcD
19/09/2009, 8:01 PM
You could as he let him go and did not have the pace to get track him. You should track the runners. Centre back then had to come across and deal with it, and to be fair Ferdinand fecked up too. Rash tackle but Reid still should have tracked him.

Stuttgart88
19/09/2009, 8:02 PM
Will look out for it. I saw none of the second half.

NeilMcD
19/09/2009, 8:05 PM
Its not terrible or anything Stutts but its the sort of thing that someone like Trap would look out for. I think Reid could have done better for the first and second goals, and he does not sense danger and defending is not natural to him in the same way creating does. If the emphasis of our team is defending, he does not have a hope of getting in to the team in any of the defending 9 in our team. Only place I think Trap would ever play him, is just behind the front man and dont think he is going to change his formation for that. Think he was prepared to have him the squad as a sub so he could offer an alternative but clearly then Trap was not happy with his attitude as a squad member and dropped him from the squad as a result.

Stuttgart88
19/09/2009, 8:34 PM
OK, but if we're a goal down with 20 mins left is protecting the defence the boss's priority?

Trapp may be criticised for being rigid but we've only been behind twice in this campaign and both times we've got something, a win and a draw in Italy. Even the Georgia game: there wren't personnel chnages but the football changed. The full backs got much further forwatrd and central midfield actually got ahead of the ball. In Italy there was a wholesale change.

That makes me think that Trapp may still have room for Reid's attributes assuming the personality clash can be put to bed.

NeilMcD
19/09/2009, 8:43 PM
Yeah I agree, I would have him the squad no doubt. I just think that Trap was prepared to have him in the squad but not in the team but then he was not happy with his attitude in the squad, probably both this professionalismm and demeanour and as a result possibly felt he was a corrosive affect on the squad and has not picked him in the squad since.

Jicked
20/09/2009, 11:24 AM
The reason he's not in the squad is pretty simple, Trap's savvy enough to know how the atmosphere in the squad would be if he came back. Reid, even if he finally has decided to start acting like a professional and has got in shape, isn't the type of player to fit our system. Nor is he good enough to change the system for.

Yes he'd be a good option on the bench, but then we'd have a repeat of the Cyprus game (I think it was Cyprus...) earlier in the year. There was no need to change that game, we were pretty comfortable, kept our shape and got a good result only having to endure one or two blocked shots in the last five minutes. Reid wouldn't have done anything to help us that day. Yet anyone at the game will remember a strange atmosphere, the big screens were constantly on Andy, any time he got up to warm up the fans buzzed, any time he sat down there was discontent in the stands. The cameras zoomed in showing a very unhappy looking Reid sulking on the bench. After the game the questions were all on why he didn't use Reid.

Is it really worth all that and the shift in atmosphere/focus for a bench player? Trap was absolutely right in not using him in that situation against Cyprus, and the same away to Montenegro. I'd have liked to see Andy come on away to Cyprus in the second half, but there would have been 6 months of media speculation, Reid sulking on the bench having cameras shoved in his face, and the world class managers in the stands would be demanding Reid's inclusion at every stage of every game.

I simply think Trap is too wily and experienced not to acknowledge how all that could have affected the campaign.

geysir
20/09/2009, 12:09 PM
The whole episode is littered with contradictions,
about Andy being a disruption and that he could not offer anything to the team within Traps framework.

Nevertheless, the options for an Andy return are getting more limited.
Against Montenegro away, in a situation where Trap was happy to hold out for the draw, he was ready to take off one of the strikers and bring Andy on.
Now Trap uses the option of Best or Folan to replace a frontman.

We have 4 wide midfield options.
Lawrence has got his 2 feet inside the door for the 4th spot.

LFCSixty/Eighty
20/09/2009, 12:20 PM
[QUOTE=Jicked;1235408]The reason he's not in the squad is pretty simple, Trap's savvy enough to know how the atmosphere in the squad would be if he came back.QUOTE]

How on earth can you say a return to the squad for Andy Reid would be bad for morale in the squad. He was the one leading the sing-a-long!!! Does this sound like a guy thats hated in the dressing room?? The fact is, he was very niave in 'allegedly' standing up to Trap and he has paid the price with his international career under him.

As someone said already, even if he scored 2 hat tricks before the next squad is picked he STILL wouldn't get in. I find that very sad that a manager of his experience will not let it go and see what he can offer. We aren't a big enough nation to discard the best passer of a football in our team. Do you really think that Reid, if picked would expect to be picked automatically???? He has already stated that he would play a B international if it meant getting chance to prove himself for Gods sake. That doesn't sound like a man that is too big for his boots to me.

Surely there isn't a person out there that would have Liam Miller in the squad instead of Andy Reid. If Trap was any sort of manager, he would pick up one of his '4' mobile phones, and use that interperter (that the FAI are paying to stand by his side and mutter sweet nothings into his ear) to say to Andy that he is ready to bring him back once he promises to work hard and to leave his guitar at home, surely its not too much to ask that he can give him one more chance to prove himself???

Jicked
20/09/2009, 12:27 PM
God, where to start.



How on earth can you say a return to the squad for Andy Reid would be bad for morale in the squad. He was the one leading the sing-a-long!!! Does this sound like a guy thats hated in the dressing room?? The fact is, he was very niave in 'allegedly' standing up to Trap and he has paid the price with his international career under him.

If you read my post I wasn't talking about the player's liking him or not, the mood in the camp I was referring to was a different type of mood, and if you were at the game I mentioned or remember the media whirlwind around Reid during games you'd know what I was getting at.


As someone said already, even if he scored 2 hat tricks before the next squad is picked he STILL wouldn't get in. I find that very sad that a manager of his experience will not let it go and see what he can offer. We aren't a big enough nation to discard the best passer of a football in our team. Do you really think that Reid, if picked would expect to be picked automatically???? He has already stated that he would play a B international if it meant getting chance to prove himself for Gods sake. That doesn't sound like a man that is too big for his boots to me.

How do you know Trap hasn't seen Reid play? Also, how many times have you seen Reid play in the flesh in the last year? So you can demand Reid is included on the back of video footage, but that same video footage is in no way determining if he isn't selected?
I never said Reid would expect to be picked automatically, but it would create a side-show we could do without when we could be drawing 0-0 after 60 mins, things going as planned, and suddenly the moans and boos start creeping in because the boy wonder is still on the bench. That's not Reid's fault, or Trap's fault, but it would happen and Trap should consider how it could effect the mood of the team.


Surely there isn't a person out there that would have Liam Miller in the squad instead of Andy Reid. If Trap was any sort of manager, he would pick up one of his '4' mobile phones, and use that interperter (that the FAI are paying to stand by his side and mutter sweet nothings into his ear) to say to Andy that he is ready to bring him back once he promises to work hard and to leave his guitar at home, surely its not too much to ask that he can give him one more chance to prove himself???

I'd have Miller ahead of Andy Reid. If we get three injuries the morning of a big game, Miller would be easier to slot in to the team then having to move and juggle around the whole team to include certain players. We're talking about 4th choice CM, is it really worth all this fuss?

As for your personal attacks on Trap, they're just bizarre. You're questioning if one of the most succesfull coaches of all time is a "real manager" because he doesn't pick Andy fecking Reid for gods sake :D And you believe Stephen Ireland about the 4 mobile phones do you? And you're begrudging the fact someone who's not fluent in English has to have a translator on call....what are you on about :rolleyes: :confused:

NeilMcD
20/09/2009, 1:13 PM
Well said Jicked. This poster has already been shown to be spoutin nonsense on another thread by Stuttgart 88 last night. Clearly has an anti Trap agenda. I am a fan of Reid but a bit of balance would say that he is lacking on the defensive duties, as yesterdays game has shown. These are duties that Trap places huge importance on. The emphasis of the team is to be strong defensively. At least we have an emphasis. Every manager as a style of play and no style is correct over another, if they both get good results. I prefer a more attractive style, however what I want from the manager of Ireland is a clear plan and stydle and direction. We have that style and direction and Reid does not fit into the starting 11 of that, and from his attitude and behaviour "played" (sic) himself out of the squad.

Can people not except that in international football its not a cae of picking the best 11 players and go from there or pickign the best 22 and going from there. Its about developing a style of play that can be got across in the 3 days that you have the squad. They need to be hard to break down, strong on set pieces and have a clear purpose. Esp when you are a mid ranking side like us. To see this in clear lines, just like at Walter Smiths, Alex Mc Leish and George Burleys Scotland. Burley tried to be expansive with average players and as a result they got beaten 4 times in the group.

LFCSixty/Eighty
20/09/2009, 1:51 PM
To be fair Jinxed I did go off on one there, some of which, were a bit OTT:)


[QUOTE=Jicked;1235408]Trap's savvy enough to know how the atmosphere in the squad would be if he came back.QUOTE]

Why are you surprised that I thought you meant the team morale would be affected for the worse when you said that? It just seems to me, that Trap is biting off his nose to prove a point, which i think he well and truly made by now.

[QUOTE=Jicked;1235408]How do you know Trap hasn't seen Reid play? Also, how many times have you seen Reid play in the flesh in the last year? So you can demand Reid is included on the back of video footage, but that same video footage is in no way determining if he isn't selected?QUOTE]

Well, in all honestly I havent seen Reid in the flesh this year and can only go on his carling cup exploits (where he scored 2 goals and played really well, albeit against Norwich) His performance last week, where he scored and set up 2, and was involved in alot of the good things that Sunderland did. Read Steve Bruces glowing praise if you don't believe me, and yesterdays game, where again he was invloved in the goal with a sublime pass. Aside from that, i'm basing it on what i've seen him do ON the pitch over the years, whether that be in a Charlton jersey, Sunderland jersey or Irish jersey.

[QUOTE=Jicked;1235408]I'd have Miller ahead of Andy Reid. If we get three injuries the morning of a big game, Miller would be easier to slot in to the team then having to move and juggle around the whole team to include certain players. We're talking about 4th choice CM, is it really worth all this fuss?QUOTE]

So you would have liked to see him come on against Cyprus away a few weeks ago even though he hasn't played this season cos he couldn't find a club??? Come off it!!! I'd say even Liam Miller wouldn't have wanted to come on, knowing he couldn't possibly be match fit, I find it crazy that Trap would put us in a situation where this may have had to happen!

[QUOTE=Jicked;1235408]As for your personal attacks on Trap, they're just bizarre. You're questioning if one of the most succesfull coaches of all time is a "real manager" because he doesn't pick Andy fecking Reid for gods sake And you believe Stephen Ireland about the 4 mobile phones do you? And you're begrudging the fact someone who's not fluent in English has to have a translator on call....what are you on aboutQUOTE]

Fair enough, I agree, who am I?? A nobody who leaves rants on an irish football website thats who:)

I know, maybe I'm being harsh but i've listened to enough of his press conferences and post match interviews to realize I would much prefer to hear him speak Italian and let his personnal translater do the job she is being paid to do, and tell us what he REALLY thinks, than stammer away in his pigeon English. It just irriates me, thats all, sorry!

Btw, I'm sure he doesnt own '4' mobile phones, I did put that in inverted commas in fairness.

drummerboy
21/09/2009, 8:37 AM
I watched MOTD. Reid looked really good on the ball. But on a negative, the first goal came when Ferdinand took down the player who Reid was supposed to be marking. Also the second goal came from a move down Reids side of the field with the full back crossing unopposed for the Burnley player to score. Might be a bit picky but Reid was missing on both occassions.

Stuttgart88
21/09/2009, 8:45 AM
Not that you'd read much into player ratings, but The Times gave Reid 5/10 for his performance on Sunday. The Telegraph however said he was Sunderland's best player.

I think geysir is close to the mark by claiming that there are now 4 wide men "endorsed" by Trapp and we now have two big guys to call from the bench.

jbyrne
21/09/2009, 8:52 AM
Not that you'd read much into player ratings, but The Times gave Reid 5/10 for his performance on Sunday. The Telegraph however said he was Sunderland's best player.

I think geysir is close to the mark by claiming that there are now 4 wide men "endorsed" by Trapp and we now have two big guys to call from the bench.

in contention for bbc sport team of the week

gspain
21/09/2009, 10:05 AM
I've said it before but I don't think Andy Reid fits into the system under Trap.

I would have him in the squad and as an option to throw on with 20 minutes left in central midfield if we were chasing a game. He can pass the ball better than anybody else we have.

ArdeeBhoy
21/09/2009, 12:29 PM
Great passer. Get him playing!

Wolfie
21/09/2009, 1:05 PM
If there was a game where we had to force the issue and get Keane and Doyle played in - Reid could do a job from the left wing - with certain constraints placed upon him, I'm afraid.

I think Trapp's nightmare scenario is Reid risking passes and conceding possession repeatedly, thus putting us under extreme pressure. You lose the ball in International Football you may not get it back for 2 minutes - sometimes when you are picking it out from the back of your net.

The Jack Charlton / Liam Brady issue had similarities in relation to a clash between a certain players style and the teams rigid system.

As Brady himself once said in an interview "Well, you couldn't be over elaborate with the ball. Its when you risked a pass and lost it. That's when Jack blew his top".

The emergence of a solid, quality left full could herald a re-think as regards the left wing but its too risky at the moment.

Kilbane, as much admired and liked as he is, is on the way out and his best days are behind him. Reid and Kilbane on the left is a bit too fragile for my liking.

dong
21/09/2009, 1:22 PM
I think Trapp's nightmare scenario is Reid risking passes and conceding possession repeatedly

Sure we can hardly string two passes together anyways as it is. We constantly give the ball away.

Wolfie
21/09/2009, 1:30 PM
Sure we can hardly string two passes together anyways as it is. We constantly give the ball away.

Within our current system -we don't give the ball away in areas that leaves us particularly exposed to counter attack.

That would not necessarily be the case if Reid were given carte blanche to pick the forward passes we currently don't risk and he lacks a defensive instinct for potential trouble.

I'd like to see Reid in the squad - just speculating as to why he isn't risked by Trapp.

geysir
21/09/2009, 1:47 PM
I couldn't see much point in playing Andy Keogh out wide against SA. Would it have been a huge disruption to have Andy Reid there for 45 mins?
Would have been an opportune time for Trap to take out his tape measure and check on Andy's (diminishing) vital statistics.

NeilMcD
21/09/2009, 1:52 PM
To be fair Brady played a lot under Charlton and did he not play in every qualifier for Euro 88 and was injured for the tournament and he was injury prone by the time of the qualifiers for 1990. 2 out of Townsend and Whelan and McGrath was not a bad midfield for the majority of those qualifiers

Stuttgart88
21/09/2009, 2:19 PM
Was Townsend there then?

I remember his debut at Dalyer on a wet weeknight, against France. I think it was post Italia 90.

Drumcondra 69er
21/09/2009, 2:29 PM
To be fair Brady played a lot under Charlton and did he not play in every qualifier for Euro 88 and was injured for the tournament and he was injury prone by the time of the qualifiers for 1990. 2 out of Townsend and Whelan and McGrath was not a bad midfield for the majority of those qualifiers

Brady was injured for Euro 88 (and also serving a two match ban). He wasn't fit for the 1990 qualifiers due to the knee injury he suffered at West Ham.

To be honest, while he had to sacrifice some of the flair under Jack he arguably played more effectively for us in the 88 qualifiers then he had for a good few years before that, he was generally quite poor from 82 till 86 and was regulalry slated by Dunphy and others on the box and in print. 86 to 88 was a bit of a renaissance for him despite his dislike of the style of play.

Drumcondra 69er
21/09/2009, 2:31 PM
Was Townsend there then?

I remember his debut at Dalyer on a wet weeknight, against France. I think it was post Italia 90.

Townsend was in the team in 1990 let alone the squad, sure he scored one of the pens against Romania!

gspain
21/09/2009, 2:32 PM
To be fair Brady played a lot under Charlton and did he not play in every qualifier for Euro 88 and was injured for the tournament and he was injury prone by the time of the qualifiers for 1990. 2 out of Townsend and Whelan and McGrath was not a bad midfield for the majority of those qualifiers

Brady was superb v Bulgaria in October 87.

He never really recovered from the injury that cost him a place in Euro88 (he would have been suspended for the forst 2 games anyway). I think Hungary 89 in Budapest was the first time he wasn't picked. Stapleton was left out that night too. There was a lot of hype about not bringing him to the World Cup but it was the right decision. 2-3 years earlier and he'd have been one of the stars of the tournament. He retired in 1990 as well.

gspain
21/09/2009, 2:34 PM
Was Townsend there then?

I remember his debut at Dalyer on a wet weeknight, against France. I think it was post Italia 90.

It was in 1989.

Wolfie
21/09/2009, 2:35 PM
To be fair Brady played a lot under Charlton and did he not play in every qualifier for Euro 88 and was injured for the tournament and he was injury prone by the time of the qualifiers for 1990. 2 out of Townsend and Whelan and McGrath was not a bad midfield for the majority of those qualifiers

True - Brady did figure for that first campaign but the fact remains that Charlton ceremonially finished Brady's International career against West Germany in 1989 by hauling him off the pitch after half an hour and sending out a message that Brady was finished.

In truth, we were being over-run and may have conceded again but there's a school of thought that it was a deliberate finishing of Brady as he just couldn't fit into the system of play.

Certainly not disputing the quality at Charltons disposal.

We did indeed have Townsend, Whelan and Mcgrath which would have been a great midfield if they were trusted to play a bit more!!

They spent a bit too much time watching the ball arc far and above their heads on route to the corner flag, to be fair.

Stuttgart88
21/09/2009, 2:37 PM
Thanks. It was a deliberate mistake, just trying to disprove any suggestions that my memory for these things indicates obsessive behaviour.

gspain
21/09/2009, 2:47 PM
True - Brady did figure for that first campaign but the fact remains that Charlton ceremonially finished Brady's International career against West Germany in 1989 by hauling him off the pitch after half an hour and sending out a message that Brady was finished.

In truth, we were being over-run and may have conceded again but there's a school of thought that it was a deliberate finishing of Brady as he just couldn't fit into the system of play.



It was a friendly and he could have been left on until half-time although he clearly was not up to it that day. We could have lost the game in those 10 minutes or so which is why he was taken off.

I think Brady sent the message out himself but Charlton did dump one of our heroes. Unfortunately this happens all too often in football.

The calls from him to go to the World Cup were ridiculous though.

geysir
21/09/2009, 2:51 PM
Townsend got a few full caps during the qualifiers for wc90
Liam recovered from the cruciate ligament injury in spring '89. Jack had selected Townsend ahead of him against Hungary. Liam only made 2 late sub appearances, I think.
Gspain is accurate enough about Liam losing a lot of his game after his injury.

Drumcondra 69er
21/09/2009, 2:52 PM
It was a friendly and he could have been left on until half-time although he clearly was not up to it that day. We could have lost the game in those 10 minutes or so which is why he was taken off.

I think Brady sent the message out himself but Charlton did dump one of our heroes. Unfortunately this happens all too often in football.

The calls from him to go to the World Cup were ridiculous though.

100% agree, there was a bit of the rent a mob re the calls for him to be included in the squad, he'd announced his retirement beofre that and then changed his mind which created some of the hype but I think it was just his desire to play in a World Cup that was behind that, it would have been crazy to include him in the squad. Stapleton was lucky to make that squad as well to be frank. ;)

Wasn't the Finland game for Brady's testimonial in May 1990 upgraded to a full international to give him one last cap?

geysir
21/09/2009, 3:00 PM
There is not a lot of comparison between Brady and Andy Reid, if you are considering creative player sacrificed for system.
Brady was in an altogether different league to Andy Reid. The gulf is as wide as that between Glenn Whelan and Roy Keane.

Anyway, Brady played in all the Euro88 qualifiers and wasn't subbed once afair.