Clare League 2007/08

[Side Cutter]

welcome back oldspice
I take your point..but unless the referee was on the end line he probably didn't know it was over the line..and maybe in trying the hand ball the player helped it into another area of the net..
as for the fact that he unsucsessfully tried to stop the goal..is that not the same as unsucsessfully trying to kick or hit someone in which case you can still get sent off

Would have to agree hacker.Plus add on that our new friend buzzer is giving his unbiased view of the situation.So buzzer to have seen this as well as you did you are either the player involved or the keeper.Either way you were not doing your job:D

[oldspice]

welcome back oldspice
I take your point..but unless the referee was on the end line he probably didn't know it was over the line..and maybe in trying the hand ball the player helped it into another area of the net..
as for the fact that he unsucsessfully tried to stop the goal..is that not the same as unsucsessfully trying to kick or hit someone in which case you can still get sent off


Thanks Hacker, won't be posting as often as I used to ... not if I want to continue receiving a paycheck but it's nice to at least contribute.
In my opinion, it's not quite the same. For me the difference lies in the lack of intent to hurt someone. For instance, if I am defending a corner and put my hand up in the air as the ball comes across. If I make contact with the ball whether I mean to or not ... it's a penalty. If however, I miss the ball, again, whether I mean to or not .. then it's play on. In the case of handball, intent does not matter, it's whether you make contact. However, in the case of trying to kick someone, by the laws of the game, intent can crry the same punishment whether you make contact or not.
Bottom line as I said before though is we are commenting on possible scenarios. We don't know why the ref sent him off and as Sidecutter suggested, we probably didn't kick off with the most unbiased viewpoint. Sorry if all that seems a bit jumbled up ... I need some practice.

[Buzzer]

Thanks Hacker, won't be posting as often as I used to ... not if I want to continue receiving a paycheck but it's nice to at least contribute.
In my opinion, it's not quite the same. For me the difference lies in the lack of intent to hurt someone. For instance, if I am defending a corner and put my hand up in the air as the ball comes across. If I make contact with the ball whether I mean to or not ... it's a penalty. If however, I miss the ball, again, whether I mean to or not .. then it's play on. In the case of handball, intent does not matter, it's whether you make contact. However, in the case of trying to kick someone, by the laws of the game, intent can crry the same punishment whether you make contact or not.
Bottom line as I said before though is we are commenting on possible scenarios. We don't know why the ref sent him off and as Sidecutter suggested, we probably didn't kick off with the most unbiased viewpoint. Sorry if all that seems a bit jumbled up ... I need some practice.
I'm not being biased. I'll admit we didn't deserve to win. A draw would probably have been a fair result but the fact of the matter is that he did not prevent a goal and according to the rules you stated Hacker he shouldn't have been sent off as the referee confirmed to the player that he knew he handled it behind the line but had to send him off for attempting to stop a goal. Also Hacker, if an opposing player had done the same thing i would not be shouting for him to be sent off as he wouldn't have obstructed a goal, even if he had caught it. I don't know what was going through Mickeys head at the time and i don't condone what he did. I don't need to have 10 posts before i can have a view that's just stupid. You said all i'm doing is slating referees, so if he made all the correct decisions on Sunday why did Tulla walk off the pitch? You said we have to accept his decisions.

[papa-j]

Would have to agree hacker.Plus add on that our new friend buzzer is giving his unbiased view of the situation.So buzzer to have seen this as well as you did you are either the player involved or the keeper.Either way you were not doing your job:D

Sidecutter we all know you are agreeing with Hacker so you will get a game:D

[plasticpitch]

why dont we ask the ref fella... the guy who was running the quiz on the forum... he should enlighten all ;)

[Buzzer]

I don't need to have 10 posts before i can have a view that's just stupid. You said all i'm doing is slating referees, so if he made all the correct decisions on Sunday why did Tulla walk off the pitch? You said we have to accept his decisions.


god chill out the first comment was only a joke..
as for tulla walking off the pitch that was wrong and i'm sure the rules would state that the bridge should get the 3 points(which would be crazy too) or a replay..
unfortunately on match day you have to accept his decisions but you do have a right to appeal after a match to clare league..

as sidecutter asked were you a player or spectator..[/quote]
I was a spectator with a perfect view. I thought Tulla walking off was stupid because they had at least 1 point and a chance to get 3 instead it looks like they will get nothing. I knew straight away the Bridge were going to get the 3 points but that is not the way the Bridge would have liked to get the points. I've seen this kind of thing happen before against the Bridge.

[2legged tackle]

What was said to Mickey at the time, Surely if it was a spur of the moment thing he must have felt a bit stupid, Did anyone say anything to him or what happened? Did the ref say anytin?

[Interested]

Just want to clear something up. Those of us that were at the Bridge v Tulla match Sunday and actually watching it, could see that Mickey did not run onto the pitch and prevent a goal. In fact, the ball was going wide and just as it was on the end line he booted the ball away. I'm no making excuses for him because it was a stupid thing to do even if it was one of the funniest thing i've seen in ages. So if you are going to discuss a matter, the real facts should be made clear first. He is not the only person that made a bad decision on Sunday. The referee made many of them like giving the first goal for Tulla which was obviously offside and sending off a bridge player for handling the ball after it had passed the line for a goal.

OK. Seeing as how we are ref baiting once again and as a former whistle blower on defensive mode lets have a go.
Firstly I was not at the match mentioned and can only go on what has been printed in the posts.
Secondly Buzzer, no one from Tulla has posted yet so we are only getting your version of what happened.
1. Player has to be interfering with play to be deemed offside. Obviously if the player scores he is interfering, but it would be unfair of me to judge the ref without seeing the incident.
2. Player handling the ball to prevent an obvious goal scoring opportunity, straight Red Card. If however like you state the ball was handled over the line, then the goal is awarded without further penalty to the player. But for the ref to give the red card I presume the sent off player attempted to prevent the goal and only aided the ball into the net, this is a sending off and the goal allowed.
3. what was Mickey Whyte or anyone else for that matter doing standing next to the goals on the end line? A recipe for disaster, which came to fruition in this game.

[shelbourne1904]

3. what was Mickey Whyte or anyone else for that matter doing standing next to the goals on the end line? A recipe for disaster, which came to fruition in this game.

That was my first reaction.Then if I said that it might be construed as being ref bashing????But at the same time we dont know when he took up the position??

[Buzzer]

OK. Seeing as how we are ref baiting once again and as a former whistle blower on defensive mode lets have a go.
Firstly I was not at the match mentioned and can only go on what has been printed in the posts.
Secondly Buzzer, no one from Tulla has posted yet so we are only getting your version of what happened.
1. Player has to be interfering with play to be deemed offside. Obviously if the player scores he is interfering, but it would be unfair of me to judge the ref without seeing the incident.
2. Player handling the ball to prevent an obvious goal scoring opportunity, straight Red Card. If however like you state the ball was handled over the line, then the goal is awarded without further penalty to the player. But for the ref to give the red card I presume the sent off player attempted to prevent the goal and only aided the ball into the net, this is a sending off and the goal allowed.
3. what was Mickey Whyte or anyone else for that matter doing standing next to the goals on the end line? A recipe for disaster, which came to fruition in this game.
Mickey felt very stupid and sorry after the game and mentioned that he thought he might get a huge ban. I know it doesn't make up for it but at least he admitted he was wrong. He started standing at the fence beside the goal at the start of the second half. I don't know why he moved from the sideline where the subs were to there but he did. If the defender said it was going to hit the post well then i'll just have to take his word for it but from my view it was just going wide. I saw a lot of players going in after the ball so i don't know if a Tulla player would have got there first.

[shelbourne1904]

"I saw a lot of players going in after the ball so i don't know if a Tulla player would have got there first."

But Mickey Knew!!!!!

[Bossman]

www.claresoccer.net updated with fixtures & results

[2legged tackle]

2. But for the ref to give the red card I presume the sent off player attempted to prevent the goal and only aided the ball into the net, this is a sending off and the goal allowed.

I don't understand how this is a sending off, Is it not a case of advantage? If a player is one on one with the goal keeper and goes past the keeper only to be fouled before gettin up and still scoring do you think the goal keeper would still be sent of because I don't. The goal keeper is still trying to prevent the goal and the goal would be still allowed.
Its one or the other, a goal or a penalty and a sending off.

[shelbourne1904]

I don't understand how this is a sending off, Is it not a case of advantage? If a player is one on one with the goal keeper and goes past the keeper only to be fouled before gettin up and still scoring do you think the goal keeper would still be sent of because I don't. The goal keeper is still trying to prevent the goal and the goal would be still allowed.
Its one or the other, a goal or a penalty and a sending off.

If a player fouls someone in the box i,e, a penalty and the fouled player doesnt stay down, gets up and scores the referee is entitled to play advantage and go back after and send the offending player off.But if the ball was over the line before the foul occured it might be a different story but the ref is still entitled to book or send someone off if the intention was dangerous or an attempt to cheat under the "ungentlemanly conduct "rule???

[old git]

If a player fouls someone in the box i,e, a penalty and the fouled player doesnt stay down, gets up and scores the referee is entitled to play advantage and go back after and send the offending player off.But if the ball was over the line before the foul occured it might be a different story but the ref is still entitled to book or send someone off if the intention was dangerous or an attempt to cheat under the "ungentlemanly conduct "rule???

don't think there is to many gentlemen playing clare league soccer :D:D

[shelbourne1904]

don't think there is to many gentlemen playing clare league soccer :D:D

Doesnt matter its a rule of the game.

[Interested]

If a player fouls someone in the box i,e, a penalty and the fouled player doesnt stay down, gets up and scores the referee is entitled to play advantage and go back after and send the offending player off.But if the ball was over the line before the foul occured it might be a different story but the ref is still entitled to book or send someone off if the intention was dangerous or an attempt to cheat under the "ungentlemanly conduct "rule???

I think they call it Unsporting Behaviuor now Shelbourne.

[Interested]

I don't understand how this is a sending off, Is it not a case of advantage? If a player is one on one with the goal keeper and goes past the keeper only to be fouled before gettin up and still scoring do you think the goal keeper would still be sent of because I don't. The goal keeper is still trying to prevent the goal and the goal would be still allowed.
Its one or the other, a goal or a penalty and a sending off.

Cast your mind back to the Champions League Final Arsenal v Barcelona and the Jans Lehman incident.
The Referee would have been within the laws to allow play to continue, allow the goal and still send off Lehman.
Differant scenario I know to a deliberate attempt to prevent the ball entering the goal by a defender handling or punching it, but I personally would view it as serious foul play and would allow the goal and send the defender off.

[shelbourne1904]

I think they call it Unsporting Behaviuor now Shelbourne.

You are right.I must update my terminology.

[Offside]

Rumour has it Boc is back playing for Newtown, I know his brother is playing with rovers.. any truth in the rumour?

[manalishi]

All part of the new muticultural society.Therell be priests and brothers and bishops in Ballycasey watching matches from now .As well as qualifying for Friday only games and matches off on championship games days and grants for floodlights.Do Newtown now qualify for the All Ireland through the side window???

George Best will turn in his grave

[just1]

thought newtown didnt like signing gaa heads...or has their view on this changed.. i cant see boc or gary playin to much as both will be training with the clare seniors soon enough..possibly coen too!!

[smellyfeet]

Brian Lohan has signed for Newtown aswell. Signed up untill 2012.

[chappie]

Brian Lohan has signed for Newtown aswell. Signed up untill 2012.


jesus red helmet and all....sure he would be quicker if he lost the zimmerframe...

[First]

jesus red helmet and all....sure he would be quicker if he lost the zimmerframe...

He'd be quicker than PapaJ:D

[shelbourne1904]

And Mick O Dwyer is in as Director of Football:eek:

[papa-j]

He'd be quicker than PapaJ:D

no chance he's over the hill and I've been on a serious seafood diet...if I see it I eat it!!

By the way..shag off back to "the pub":p

[old git]

no chance he's over the hill and I've been on a serious seafood diet...if I see it I eat it!!

By the way..shag off back to "the pub":p


i reckon you would take him in a sprint anyway papa-j
these hurling lads sure they only play a 2-3 months a year anyway :D

[studsup]

Bunratty should be ashamed of themselves today...Because of their complete stupidity the game was called off and I wouldnt really blame the ref. What colour jerseys did Bunratty think Newmarket were goin to show up in for f*** sake like?They got plenty of time to get a 2nd set too.One or two phone calls the night before and all this could have been avoided

How thick can you get, and Bunratty goin away buildin an Astro Turf :eek:,it'd be more in their line to buy a set of jerseys...total lack of organisation. Knowin the Clare League now they'll robably go off,give Bunratty the chance to replay the game and then come April they'll be moanin about a backlog in fixtures again when really the obvious thing to do is award the points to Newmarket.This isn't the first time this has happened with this team tho,last year in a Clare Cup game the very same problem - clash of kits,no proper 2nd set but they were bailed by their neighbours

[platini]

Bunratty should be ashamed of themselves today...Because of their complete stupidity the game was called off and I wouldnt really blame the ref. What colour jerseys did Bunratty think Newmarket were goin to show up in for f*** sake like?They got plenty of time to get a 2nd set too.One or two phone calls the night before and all this could have been avoided

How thick can you get, and Bunratty goin away buildin an Astro Turf :eek:,it'd be more in their line to buy a set of jerseys...total lack of organisation. Knowin the Clare League now they'll robably go off,give Bunratty the chance to replay the game and then come April they'll be moanin about a backlog in fixtures again when really the obvious thing to do is award the points to Newmarket.This isn't the first time this has happened with this team tho,last year in a Clare Cup game the very same problem - clash of kits,no proper 2nd set but they were bailed by their neighbours

Human error here, apparently the wrong set of gear was taken by the youths manager, Bunratty eventually produced a 3rd set of gear but referee didnt want to know.

[Bossman]

www.claresoccer.net updated with fixtures & results

[old git]

Human error here, apparently the wrong set of gear was taken by the youths manager, Bunratty eventually produced a 3rd set of gear but referee didnt want to know.


these things happen .. your not the first club to do it and ye wont be the last club to do it either .. :D

[shelbourne1904]

Smacks of " sure any old thing will do".
This is supposed to be the Premier League in Clare!!

[tulla b]

Human error here, apparently the wrong set of gear was taken by the youths manager, Bunratty eventually produced a 3rd set of gear but referee didnt want to know.

no human error here. newmarket celtic were togged out on the pitch with their red and white jerseys at 1. 45. bunratty must have been blind if they didnt see the colour of the newmarket jerseys. bunratty didnt arrive on the pitch until 2. 05. why did they wait until this time to send someone for the second set of jerseys. Bunratty did not want to play this game yesterday and by the team they had out its easy to see why. i hope they get a massive fine and newmarket awarded the 3 points. i missed tulla's great win in the park yesterday to go and watch this shambles

[tulla b]

you cant be much of a tulla gaa supporter if your going watching 2 newmarket teams playing soccer...as for bunratty deserving to lose 3 points (up to clare league) would you not agree your beloved tulla should lose 3 points for walking off the pitch against the bridge...

am a soccer supporter to be honest and i thought this would be the best local game on this weekend. as for my beloved tulla i think this issue has been discussed quiet enough last week and dont want to drag it up again. leave it up to the clare league now to sort it out.

[sore_toe]

no human error here. newmarket celtic were togged out on the pitch with their red and white jerseys at 1. 45. bunratty must have been blind if they didnt see the colour of the newmarket jerseys. bunratty didnt arrive on the pitch until 2. 05. why did they wait until this time to send someone for the second set of jerseys. Bunratty did not want to play this game yesterday and by the team they had out its easy to see why. i hope they get a massive fine and newmarket awarded the 3 points. i missed tulla's great win in the park yesterday to go and watch this shambles

what crap are u talkn about bunratty wanted to play the game and what u mean the team they had out that was there full team so i dont no where u are comming up with this from...It was a mistake from the manager they got the kit mixed up..when ever did bunratty shy away from a match (NEVER) so take your comments some where else and worry about tulla

[platini]

no human error here. newmarket celtic were togged out on the pitch with their red and white jerseys at 1. 45. bunratty must have been blind if they didnt see the colour of the newmarket jerseys. bunratty didnt arrive on the pitch until 2. 05. why did they wait until this time to send someone for the second set of jerseys. Bunratty did not want to play this game yesterday and by the team they had out its easy to see why. i hope they get a massive fine and newmarket awarded the 3 points. i missed tulla's great win in the park yesterday to go and watch this shambles

You really need to get the facts on this, Newmarket were on the pitch togged out correct. Bunratty's new gear is a darker colour than Newmarkets. Bunratty didn't see the need for a second set, the referee arrived at 1.58. He then decided jerseys were too similar(his opinion). Bunratty scrambled around to get another set. The second set were the mixed up set from the cleaners. With this Bunratty went away and got a third set, this took up to 2.25 to arrive. At this time the referee was going out the gate. In terms of the team being put out, they had a full panel with the exception of Brian Donnellan.

[tulla b]

what crap are u talkn about bunratty wanted to play the game and what u mean the team they had out that was there full team so i dont no where u are comming up with this from...It was a mistake from the manager they got the kit mixed up..when ever did bunratty shy away from a match (NEVER) so take your comments some where else and worry about tulla

fair enough and sorry for upsetting you. i thought bunratty were a stronger side than that which was put out yesterday. but could you answer me as to why nobody from bunratty went looking for the second kit until 2. 05?????????

[tulla b]

You really need to get the facts on this, Newmarket were on the pitch togged out correct. Bunratty's new gear is a darker colour than Newmarkets. Bunratty didn't see the need for a second set, the referee arrived at 1.58. He then decided jerseys were too similar(his opinion). Bunratty scrambled around to get another set. The second set were the mixed up set from the cleaners. With this Bunratty went away and got a third set, this took up to 2.25 to arrive. At this time the referee was going out the gate. In terms of the team being put out, they had a full panel with the exception of Brian Donnellan.

disreguard last post. tks for clearing matters up platini. by the way as a neutral in my opinion d jerseys were too similiar. leave ref out of this as he made the correct callto leave

[mr miyagi]

Has anyone seen the state of Cooraclare's pitch ?
Newmarket B played a third division league game there yesterday.

The grass wasn't even cut and was a foot long in places (I'm not exaggerating), the person who lined the pitch obviously had a few too many pints (there were 2 parallel lines about 15 yards along one sideline) and the goals were ready to fall apart (thank god nobody hit the woodwork).
Compared to that pitch, Newmarket's ballycar pitch last year was premiership standard.

Can anyone explain why these two teams were forced to play on this joke of a pitch ?

Newmarket played well (considering the circumstances) to come away with a 1-0 win, but for any team to have to play on that surface is ridiculous.

[First]

Human error here, apparently the wrong set of gear was taken by the youths manager, Bunratty eventually produced a 3rd set of gear but referee didnt want to know.


Could someone advise , is it not the home team that the onus is on to change their gear if their visitors away gear is too similiar to the home teams home set. I seem to remember Newmarket having to change to the third set of blue jerseys a few times down through the years because of colour clashes. It could be just the memory playing tricks with me in my old age.

[old git]

Could someone advise , is it not the home team that the onus is on to change their gear if their visitors away gear is too similiar to the home teams home set. I seem to remember Newmarket having to change to the third set of blue jerseys a few times down through the years because of colour clashes. It could be just the memory playing tricks with me in my old age.
you could be right .. but i am in old age stage as well ,, usually easier for home team to change gear also :p

[old git]

Has anyone seen the state of Cooraclare's pitch ?
Newmarket B played a third division league game there yesterday.

The grass wasn't even cut and was a foot long in places (I'm not exaggerating), the person who lined the pitch obviously had a few too many pints (there were 2 parallel lines about 15 yards along one sideline) and the goals were ready to fall apart (thank god nobody hit the woodwork).
Compared to that pitch, Newmarket's ballycar pitch last year was premiership standard.

Can anyone explain why these two teams were forced to play on this joke of a pitch ?

Newmarket played well (considering the circumstances) to come away with a 1-0 win, but for any team to have to play on that surface is ridiculous.

it is a joke .. was out watching a match last year ,,, warm cows**t everywere on pitch & pitch extremly bumpy even then goals looked like falling down ... have a look at referee on your next home game it newmarket i bet he checks everything nets , paces out pitch etc.. :mad:

[studsup]

You really need to get the facts on this, Newmarket were on the pitch togged out correct. Bunratty's new gear is a darker colour than Newmarkets. Bunratty didn't see the need for a second set, the referee arrived at 1.58. He then decided jerseys were too similar(his opinion). Bunratty scrambled around to get another set. The second set were the mixed up set from the cleaners. With this Bunratty went away and got a third set, this took up to 2.25 to arrive. At this time the referee was going out the gate. In terms of the team being put out, they had a full panel with the exception of Brian Donnellan.

The only relevent facts are that Bunratty were at fault and didn't have proper gear... The kit that bunratty came out in was in all fairness too similar to Newmarket's and would have made it tricky to tell between the jerseys. And the 2nd set bunratty brought up was almost identical to Newmarket's

[shelbourne1904]

Bunratty lucky this was league cause if a report went to Munster or FAI with a story like this they would loose the game.

[oldspice]

Could someone advise , is it not the home team that the onus is on to change their gear if their visitors away gear is too similiar to the home teams home set. I seem to remember Newmarket having to change to the third set of blue jerseys a few times down through the years because of colour clashes. It could be just the memory playing tricks with me in my old age.

As name suggests, I am old school too. However, up to a few seasons ago at any rate, it was the home team that needed to change in the event of a colour clash. (Imagine for example Cooraclare/Moher arriving to O'Briens Bridge to find that Bridge Celtic had changed strip for new season and there was a clash). Much easier for home team to change. I remember one occasion where we were away team and home team didn't have a second strip available. We ended up turning our jerseys inside-out because our lining was white whereas other teams was blue inside and out. Different times but at least game was played. BTW Cooraclare's pitch has always been a disgrace. No regard for the basic requirements whatsoever and yet they get away with it every season.

[Young Lad]

It seems a bit strange to me that Bunratty and Newmarket wear the same colours. I would have assumed that given their local rivalry and frequently meeting each other they would have different colour jerseys.

[shelbourne1904]

It doesnt matter what colours anyone wears the rule is the home team changes if their strip clashes with the visitors registered colours and Newmarkets colours are red for the last 30 years at least.

[old git]

It doesnt matter what colours anyone wears the rule is the home team changes if their strip clashes with the visitors registered colours and Newmarkets colours are red for the last 30 years at least.
so technically it was newmarket at fault last weekend then.with jersey clashes . :confused:

[Interested]

so technically it was newmarket at fault last weekend then.with jersey clashes . :confused:

Rule 48 of the CDSL clearly states that..........
In the event of 2 teams, in a fixture, having the same registered colours, the home team/club shall change, otherwise the fixture may not take place and the home team may lose the points or be fined.
The problem here is that when a club gets a new set of sponsered gear, it may be differant from what the club was previously wearing and the club may not have informed the League of the colour change.
This however was not the problem here as Newmarket were the away side and like a lot of contributers to the thread, Newmarket have played in Red for as long as I can remember also.
Why does this problem not arise when Newtown play Avenue, simply because both teams know they wear the same colours but have sensible, responsible people running their clubs who avoid a clash of colours.
Anybody from Bunratty that did not know that Newmarket play in RED must have just moved into the parish last weekend.