2024 Season, Arrivals and Departures

[placid casual]

You’d have to laugh at the narrative of Bohs not being able to compete financially for players. You’d Daniel lambert on the radio last week banging on about their 2 million euro annual merchandise sales, 1.5 million off a Matt Doherty transfer not long ago, 250k for Afolabi and reportedly 550k for McManus on the way, on top of any other regular budget the club would have. I’d love to have seen the contract Drogheda offered Frantz Pierrot that Bohs allegedly couldn’t have competed with and would prefer to go less than 3 weeks away from the season with just 1 Estonian striker who’s an unknown quantity in league of Ireland football

boez are forever the Beal Bocht club. More about self promotion of the D7 community than football content. Their fanbase which predates lambert's millennials must be deeply and correctly frustrated with their lack of onfield, football success.
Devine looks out of his depth there,and if there are ructions with Nutsy, there'll only be one winner in that.

[RealJohn91]

I feel like I'm going mad reading the replies here. Nobody on here understands the wider point and is just using it as a excuse to take weird jibes but I shouldn't be surprised really. Even the Bohs lads on here saying we should've signed Leahy who Dundalk didn't want anymore and a giant Pole who couldn't win a header under pressure to save his life. For the last time we have a few bob but we can't rake up the losses and get them written off to chase the handful of players available but some clubs seemed to take pride in this happening to them. God forbid anything bad happens to O'Doherty or Kelleher but I guess we'll find out eventually.

[placid casual]

Rovers ain’t doing anything different to us, we just have added a cultural, and non football aspect to the club.

Rovers are doing one major thing different to boez. We are successful in football and the model built is doing it's upmost to ensure Rovers are either successful or at least competitive in looking to be successful.

[Jolly Red Giant]

I think the older bohs supporters still believe football is more important then anything else but the club has been taken.over by a left wing right on crowd for whom football is only a part of it.
That really is a bit of a trope -

Not arguing that Bohs are any different than other clubs - but, for example, in November the club took control of the Oscar Trainor Centre from the NDSL, the AFL and the FAI and in the process paid off 'substantial debts related to the site'. From the perspective of the club, ensuring the long-term availability of an academy site is probably worth the investment, even if it means they might lose out on a player or two that they targeted in the off-season. Supporter owned clubs do have to operate differently to clubs owned by wealthy individuals or vulture funds - and it is a model that I would definitely support in terms of the future of soccer in this country.

[Jolly Red Giant]

Rovers are doing one major thing different to boez. We are successful in football and the model built is doing it's upmost to ensure Rovers are either successful or at least competitive in looking to be successful.
Rovers is also partly owned by one of the ten Irish billionaires (who, if I am not mistaken, is a tax exile)

[placid casual]

Rovers is also partly owned by one of the ten Irish billionaires (who, if I am not mistaken, is a tax exile)
Correct. A man who put the same amount of money into our academy as boez supposedly made from their merchandising. And what have boez gained from that investment... A nice article on BBC sport website. Forgive me if I'm not overawed by that particular measure of success.

[Nesta99]

As a members owned club the members could change this whole narrative. Stop talking about major income publically, firstly it inflates players demands and supporters/members take their foot off the pedal thinking that the financial work is done. Bohs had done a fantastic job at expanding a fanbase without protracted footballing success, but the football success needs to happen at some point or even the newer natives will become restless. Off field initiatives have embeded the club in a comunity but maybe 'marketing' needs to shift to the primary purpose of football. Im still wary of this surge in LoI interest being robust longterm, hopefully Im wrong and there isnt any need for concern on this but Imo Bohs need a marquee, statemet signing or 2 to be a complete club. If it cant be afforded then quit with the 'how amazing we are at generating revenue eg 2mil in merchandising' etc.

Specifically on Sheppard, Bohs could get lucky there if they are willing to play some brinkmanship. The impasse on his signing for Dundalk was a €0 release clause if someone showed interest in July or any transfer window on a contract longer than 1 season. If he hasnt a club by the close of the UK transfer window then his agent would have to bin the unreasonable clauses - it'd be a gamble for Bohs but such clauses might be ok with Bohs if Talbot is expected back and there would be a decent chance for that to happen come July.

I also like the observation that the larger crowds reduces isbehaviour of troublesome fans. Bigger crowds obviously means more policing, issuing group bans isnt causing a damaging hole in finances, but Im not sure if that is what was meant or just there is physically less room. Its an interesting side benefit to bigger crowds if it does reduce the arasholes from acting up but Ive never heard of crowd profiling as better behaved due to larger nunbers - unless the troublemakers are being squeezed out financially due to the heavy demand on tickets among members (some of whom would be well capable of embaressing a club),



in November the club took control of the Oscar Trainor Centre from the NDSL, the AFL and the FAI and in the process paid off 'substantial debts related to the site'.

If this was was the major focus of reporting on Bohs this close season rather than Lamberst patting himself on the back on income streams, it would gain a whole lot more positiveness among fellow LoI supporters and significant kudos in national media and been a real boon for Bohs and for the entire senior game, being an example of where LoI can be more than a Friday night event.

[ontheotherhand]

Thanks for the 101 of the transfer market - but the same circumstances exist for all clubs. It is actually a throw back to a time when clubs had to dig hard to unearth gems rather than scanning a database, that a team may need to be built from the youths up rather than buy a side. The way Derry and Rovers just threw kitchen sinks at league winning players to base their title challanges on is not new in LoI, prior to the 2000s there was an equally small pool of quality players and the merry go round was alsmost as bad with players as it was with managers. How well a team is being coached is now as significant as the quality of players brought in in relation to being successful. Its just a new phase of the old cycle that clubs and coaches are facing.

Narrator: "Of the side (https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/shamrock-rovers/kader/verein/3258/saison_id/2019/plus/1/sort/im_team) that won the 2020 league title with Shamrock Rovers, only Finn, Bolger and Mannus had previously won the league".

You like to make this point fairly regularly Nesta but it's not really accurate. The core group that has us winning leagues weren't league winners before e.g. Pico, Grace, O'Neill, Watts, Byrne, Burke, Gaffney, Farrugia, Clarke, Greene, Scales/Lyons etc etc. We've sprinkled in key players like Cleary and Towell over the years but the league winning team was built before their arrival.

Won't comment on Derry but it's not a huge surprise that some ex-Dundalk lads went there, particularly the local lads. I don't know if kitchen sinks were required.

[Shinkicker]

I think the older bohs supporters still believe football is more important then anything else but the club has been taken.over by a left wing right on crowd for whom football is only a part of it.
I'm an older Bohs Supporter and I do believe it should be football first. However I appreciate the work which has been done in recent years to ensure the future of the club, managing the debt, increasing the crowds and tapping into the local community. I don't do anything political (including correctness) and I will not buy any merch supporting political views, eg the Palestine away shirt, the new scarf with the Palestine flag etc. It's not difficult to separate yourself from the politics and still support the club. Im sure some of the sugar daddies would love a Lambert to change the fortunes of their club.

[Nesta99]

Narrator: "Of the side (https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/shamrock-rovers/kader/verein/3258/saison_id/2019/plus/1/sort/im_team) that won the 2020 league title with Shamrock Rovers, only Finn, Bolger and Mannus had previously won the league".

You like to make this point fairly regularly Nesta but it's not really accurate. The core group that has us winning leagues weren't league winners before e.g. Pico, Grace, O'Neill, Watts, Byrne, Burke, Gaffney, Farrugia, Clarke, Greene, Scales/Lyons etc etc. We've sprinkled in key players like Cleary and Towell over the years but the league winning team was built before their arrival.

Won't comment on Derry but it's not a huge surprise that some ex-Dundalk lads went there, particularly the local lads. I don't know if kitchen sinks were required.

There is no need to be bothered by it OTH or anything, it is what it is. The last 4 in a row was built on the Jim McLoughlin/Dermot Keeley former Dundalk FC axis, Rovers ended up losing Miltown buying that league winning formula. The current one got over the line with the leadership of other former Dundalk FC league winners. Derry are carrying on the trend and if they win the league it will also be on the back of having former battle hardened Dundalk players getting them over the line. Its not an slight on either side but a privilage to have such players on the books.

[ontheotherhand]

There is no need to be bothered by it OTH or anything, it is what it is. The last 4 in a row was built on the Jim McLoughlin/Dermot Keeley former Dundalk FC axis, Rovers ended up losing Miltown buying that league winning formula. The current one got over the line with the leadership of other former Dundalk FC league winners. Derry are carrying on the trend and if they win the league it will also be on the back of having former battle hardened Dundalk players getting them over the line. Its not an slight on either side but a privilage to have such players on the books.

Ah. Sorry, I took your posts to be serious. You disguise it well sometimes.

[Calcio Jack]

There is no need to be bothered by it OTH or anything, it is what it is. The last 4 in a row was built on the Jim McLoughlin/Dermot Keeley former Dundalk FC axis, Rovers ended up losing Miltown buying that league winning formula. The current one got over the line with the leadership of other former Dundalk FC league winners. Derry are carrying on the trend and if they win the league it will also be on the back of having former battle hardened Dundalk players getting them over the line. Its not an slight on either side but a privilage to have such players on the books.

Correction - Rovers didn’t lose Milltown because they “ bought “ the league . Milltown was sold to property developers by the Kilcoyne brothers in cahoots with the Jesuits* who made a measly £100k from their deal with the KC bros who then flipped the property for almost £1m

*they bleated that they wouldn’t of sold to the KC bros if they’d known that they intended flipping it rather than redevelop the stadium …. The Jesuits of course have always conveniently forgotten to mention that the sale of the lease on Milltown could have included a clause saying it had to remain as a football stadium in perpetuity ….. they were nightly p***ed off as to how the KC bros scammed them….. then again when your own accountant is acting as a ‘consultant’ for the purchaser things get messy.

[Glen Of Aherlow]

Anyone hear anything about Tom Grivosti being injured again ?

[D24Saint]

Anyone hear anything about Tom Grivosti being injured again ?

I hope its not true. He has had an terrible run of injuries.

[Nesta99]

Ah. Sorry, I took your posts to be serious. You disguise it well sometimes.

Well I was being a tad serious but more along the point that commentary on a small number of players available in the transfer market is not new. It was very common for past eras of success having a bunch of players and managers in common. Jim McLoughlin brought unprecedented success to both Dundalk (3 Leagues, 3 Cups, famous European nights), Shamrock Rovers (3 leagues in a row as part of the 4?, couple of cups) and his native Derry (the lauded if flawed domestic treble), and a final league with Shels bankrolled by the Donnellys, a native Dundalk family, influenced by Jim. Dermot Keeley is another player/manager that has won silverware with 3 of the 4 clubs mentoned. The backbone of the Dundalk '88 double winning side had no shortage of infludence of Rovers players. In a small league eras come and go, in LoI often by selling off the family silver and signing previous champions' players. Mannus was a final piece of the puzzle for SRFC, Finn was a key signing and the final main piece of the puzzle that got Rovers over the line in the end was the involvement of Bill Hulsizer.

For whatever reason the league is going through an almost settled spell where there isnt much movement of players within the upper ends of the league. It shows how much we could over rely on agents trying to flog their players from the UK, Estonia etc that tvh have a pretty low hit ratio. How Bohs could do with a Kevin Hunt type transfer, Dundalk will have a few too many unproven players for my liking, Derry and Rovers will have too many proven players for my liking. Imo the real benefit to a LoI club linking to a UK club is access to their scouting network rather than a bunch of loanees (I though Statsports could have made use of international contacts for Dundalk).

It was wrong to link the cost of a 4 in a row side to how Milltown ended up, that was pure mischief on my behalf and a step over the line as it was a low point for the league not just Rovers and while I wasnt old enough to really understand the whole mess back then I can only imagine what a sickener it was for fans - I near imploded when Gerry Matthews was making a play for the Casey leasehold and held the lease to ransom so yeah a tad below the belt.

[sbgawa]

Correction - Rovers didn’t lose Milltown because they “ bought “ the league . Milltown was sold to property developers by the Kilcoyne brothers in cahoots with the Jesuits* who made a measly £100k from their deal with the KC bros who then flipped the property for almost £1m

*they bleated that they wouldn’t of sold to the KC bros if they’d known that they intended flipping it rather than redevelop the stadium …. The Jesuits of course have always conveniently forgotten to mention that the sale of the lease on Milltown could have included a clause saying it had to remain as a football stadium in perpetuity ….. they were nightly p***ed off as to how the KC bros scammed them….. then again when your own accountant is acting as a ‘consultant’ for the purchaser things get messy.

Bit harsh to blame the jessuits , given they sold the land for 100 k that was worth a million id say it was more a case of they were genuinely duped and didnt expect it to be flipped.
Lets keep all our hatred where it deserves the KC bros.

[Nesta99]

The Jesuits being duped out of money ... thats a story in itself!

[ontheotherhand]

Well I was being a tad serious but more along the point that commentary on a small number of players available in the transfer market is not new. It was very common for past eras of success having a bunch of players and managers in common. Jim McLoughlin brought unprecedented success to both Dundalk (3 Leagues, 3 Cups, famous European nights), Shamrock Rovers (3 leagues in a row as part of the 4?, couple of cups) and his native Derry (the lauded if flawed domestic treble), and a final league with Shels bankrolled by the Donnellys, a native Dundalk family, influenced by Jim. Dermot Keeley is another player/manager that has won silverware with 3 of the 4 clubs mentoned. The backbone of the Dundalk '88 double winning side had no shortage of infludence of Rovers players. In a small league eras come and go, in LoI often by selling off the family silver and signing previous champions' players. Mannus was a final piece of the puzzle for SRFC, Finn was a key signing and the final main piece of the puzzle that got Rovers over the line in the end was the involvement of Bill Hulsizer.

For whatever reason the league is going through an almost settled spell where there isnt much movement of players within the upper ends of the league. It shows how much we could over rely on agents trying to flog their players from the UK, Estonia etc that tvh have a pretty low hit ratio. How Bohs could do with a Kevin Hunt type transfer, Dundalk will have a few too many unproven players for my liking, Derry and Rovers will have too many proven players for my liking. Imo the real benefit to a LoI club linking to a UK club is access to their scouting network rather than a bunch of loanees (I though Statsports could have made use of international contacts for Dundalk).

It was wrong to link the cost of a 4 in a row side to how Milltown ended up, that was pure mischief on my behalf and a step over the line as it was a low point for the league not just Rovers and while I wasnt old enough to really understand the whole mess back then I can only imagine what a sickener it was for fans - I near imploded when Gerry Matthews was making a play for the Casey leasehold and held the lease to ransom so yeah a tad below the belt.

Fair enough. I still think its a stretch to say the Rovers side that started winning titles was built from the Dundalk side via the kitchen sink. It's only Finn in that 2020 team and of course he had his first league wins with Rovers. Gannon and Hoare have been good squad players. Cleary is key now but arrived after we were already winning. Joey O'Brien was more important. My da would take about the previous 4 in a row side as being basically the best players cherry picked from around the league in a way this current side hasn't been when you look at the core group. Finn the exception there as he moved from a great team and was one of it's best players.

Thanks for taking back the Milltown piece. I was too young to know what was happening at the time but I felt all the pain of the wandering years that followed.

[sbgawa]

The Jesuits being duped out of money ... thats a stort in itself!


Its only because i know how good they are with money that i find it hard to believe they wouldnt have added in a sell on clause so they got a chunk of the 1 million if it was subsequently sold.
I reckon they were conned like the supporteres by LC

[placid casual]

It was boez we robbed to compile the 4inarow,and they've never got over it.:)

[Shearer]

O'Brien Whitmarsh and Jordan Adeyemo, both coincidentally were last with Longford, are now without a club it seems.

Two lads who are prolific on their day but possibly bad characters?

[oriel]

It was boez we robbed to compile the 4inarow,and they've never got over it.:)

I was thinking about it, as pretty sure we came 2nd (miles behind that season of your last 4 in a row), it was ! We won the double the following season.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1986%E2%80%9387_League_of_Ireland_Premier_Division

Think Bohs you are mixing up this season?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1984%E2%80%9385_League_of_Ireland

or maybe this one?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983%E2%80%9384_League_of_Ireland

[Calcio Jack]

Bit harsh to blame the jessuits , given they sold the land for 100 k that was worth a million id say it was more a case of they were genuinely duped and didnt expect it to be flipped.
Let’s keep all our hatred where it deserves the KC bros.

The Jesuits ‘claimed’ that the Kilcoynes told them they only wanted to purchase the lease on Milltown so that they could re-developed it as a football stadium; therefore they sold the lease to them for £100k rather than what they could of got selling it for housing development.

Afterwards they claimed they would never of sold if they’d known the Kilcoynes real intent….at best they were scammed ( hard to credit) but more likely they knew what they were doing and simply didn’t care but were anxious to get their grubby hands on cash…,

Sporting grounds throughout the country in religious hands more often than not have a clause restricting them to only sporting use if sold - plus the Jesuits like to think of themselves as the high priests of intellectualism within the C/Church ( I.e the most cunning of b*stards) so they were as complicit as the Kilcoynes

[oriel]

I sometimes think of a huge lost generation of LOI supporters that never got to Milltown. Only been 5 or 6 times myself, all around 82/83, 83/84 and 85/86 seasons I think, never saw a Dundalk win, and one hammering too when we had 3 sent off. Also went to watch the Irish Olympic side under McLaughlin as a teacher in our school was friends with him. I remember games v Hungary, possibly Sweden or Spain also, maybe France, easy group !!!!

What a ground it was though, it had the markings a smaller English league ground of its time, great experience going, even if no joy on DFC wins. Memories of one cold winter game on a Sunday, got the train down, met family members in the city, and somehow got myself back to Connolly for the journey home, no mobile phones, great days.

[Nah Nah Nah Nah]

I was thinking about it, as pretty sure we came 2nd (miles behind that season of your last 4 in a row), it was ! We won the double the following season.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1986%E2%80%9387_League_of_Ireland_Premier_Division

Think Bohs you are mixing up this season?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1984%E2%80%9385_League_of_Ireland

or maybe this one?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983%E2%80%9384_League_of_Ireland

Think he’s on about players

[Nesta99]

It was boez we robbed to compile the 4inarow,and they've never got over it.:)

Which one? (I can be helpful occaionally with rubbing it in to a Dublin derby rival - it would be great fun and very easy to wind up Mr Lambert, maybe he was MarinoBohs lol). When the season does kick off I really hope Rovers dont go all Gah with 'Drive for 5' stuff, the prospect of 5 in row is bad enough without copying that lot. Its also why the Maguire season rankles a bit still with that record missed out on 'cause of the incredible form of one (former Dundalk ;)) player.

[Nesta99]

I sometimes think of a huge lost generation of LOI supporters that never got to Milltown. Only been 5 or 6 times myself, all around 82/83, 83/84 and 85/86 seasons I think, never saw a Dundalk win, and one hammering too when we had 3 sent off. Also went to watch the Irish Olympic side under McLaughlin as a teacher in our school was friends with him. I remember games v Hungary, possibly Sweden or Spain also, maybe France, easy group !!!!

What a ground it was though, it had the markings a smaller English league ground of its time, great experience going, even if no joy on DFC wins. Memories of one cold winter game on a Sunday, got the train down, met family members in the city, and somehow got myself back to Connolly for the journey home, no mobile phones, great days.

Looking at some old photos having never been, bit of an Oriel Park vibe going on....

https://cloudfront-eu-central-1.images.arcpublishing.com/irishtimes/QH3LHFOSKS4Q4UPEWI5QXQIVBA.jpg

[D24Saint]

Anyone hear anything about Tom Grivosti being injured again ?

We are linked to Luke Turner from Cliftonville. I wonder is this due to an issue with Grivosti.

[Jack B]

Unless something else has happened the status with Grivosti was that he was still "injured" from last season and doing his own pre-season programme where he was doing light work but not yet back with the rest of the squad. He did a couple interviews the other week after the Virgin Media TV announcements and one of the articles suggested he'd be back for some time in March all going well, so I'm guessing that remains the case unless something unfortunate has occurred in the last few days.

[Shinkicker]

We are linked to Luke Turner from Cliftonville. I wonder is this due to an issue with Grivosti.
An article in the Belfast telegraph says Pats are battling with Bohs for his signature.

[Glen Of Aherlow]

Unless something else has happened the status with Grivosti was that he was still "injured" from last season and doing his own pre-season programme where he was doing light work but not yet back with the rest of the squad. He did a couple interviews the other week after the Virgin Media TV announcements and one of the articles suggested he'd be back for some time in March all going well, so I'm guessing that remains the case unless something unfortunate has occurred in the last few days.

False alarm about Grivosti apparently . It's still the situation you've said there .

[Dermobohs]

Turner off to pats for a “big fee” , if rumours are to be believed

[Another Bohemia]

An article in the Belfast telegraph says Pats are battling with Bohs for his signature.

He'd be pretty much a guaranteed starter at Bohs. If he ends up at Pat's there may be some credence to the Bohs not having a massive playing budget talk.

[Jack B]

Could be untrue but I've seen a figure of 80k mentioned by people for Turner, if any side pays that or anything approaching it for a player in this league I'd say it's safe to say they'll be a starter.

Can't imagine Pats signed Keeley with the idea of him being a back-up though, could see us using a back 3/5 quite a bit this season if this ended up happening.

[Olander]

80k for a player that's out of contract in 5/6 months? Sounds a bit farfetched to me.

[Glen Of Aherlow]

Could be untrue but I've seen a figure of 80k mentioned by people for Turner, if any side pays that or anything approaching it for a player in this league I'd say it's safe to say they'll be a starter.

Can't imagine Pats signed Keeley with the idea of him being a back-up though, could see us using a back 3/5 quite a bit this season if this ended up happening.

I hope Lonergan is'nt sold to balance the books , i think there's a lot more to come from him this season

[2 Year Contract]

Kris Twardek has signed for Atletico Ottawa in the Canadian Premier League

[Jack B]

80k for a player that's out of contract in 5/6 months? Sounds a bit farfetched to me.

You're probably right, it was just a number I'd seen a couple of Bohs fans throw around but who knows. Either way I can't imagine it'll be an insignificant number for a side in this league given how highly-rated he is and Cliftonville being in contention for the league.


I hope Lonergan is'nt sold to balance the books , i think there's a lot more to come from him this season

Could be putting two and two together and getting five but I noticed yesterday that the club put up a tweet promoting the opening game and posted four separate images of players, one of which being Lonergan, then it was deleted and re-posted except with Alex Nolan instead of Lonergan. Could be nothing but found it strange.

Agree with you though, there's a player there and he's looked great in pre-season. If Turner happens and we used a different formation there could be more of an opportunity for him to play alongside Keating.

[2 Year Contract]

Turner to Pats is confirmed now. The money on the trip to Glasgow might’ve been better spent elsewhere for bohs

[2 Year Contract]

Just seeing now Odumosu's loan to Cliftonville has been made permanent as part of the deal. A big bargaining chip in Pat’s favour that was in fairness

[Jack B]

For a side that finished 3rd we lost way too many games last season, and a lot of them came from silly and avoidable moments. It feels like addressing that has been made a priority in the off-season. Can't say I've ever seen much of Turner but it's fairly encouraging how much he's been raved about. He, Redmond and Keeley in any combination - or even as a trio - seems a lot more solid than what was often being worked with last time out.

[outspoken]

Will Jarvis back on loan at Shels. Obviously no fall out with Hull owner so. Imagine they get Wood too. Wowza

[Jack B]

Will Jarvis back on loan at Shels. Obviously no fall out with Hull owner so. Imagine they get Wood too. Wowza

Wood is at Grimsby on loan now.

Big for them to get Jarvis back though, feel like the loss of Moylan could really blunt them in attack but keeping hold of him at least goes some way to softening the impact.

[Glen Of Aherlow]

The Cliftonville fans seem to be delighted to have got Odumosu on a permanent deal , glad it's going well for him up there

[joey B]

Turner to Pats is confirmed now. The money on the trip to Glasgow might’ve been better spent elsewhere for bohs

The second CB Bohs have lost out to Pats this window, Fenlon wont like that !!!

[Longfordian]

LTFC have signed Jamie Egan, last with Drogheda.

[EatYerGreens]

Could be untrue but I've seen a figure of 80k mentioned by people for Turner, if any side pays that or anything approaching it for a player in this league I'd say it's safe to say they'll be a starter.

Can't imagine Pats signed Keeley with the idea of him being a back-up though, could see us using a back 3/5 quite a bit this season if this ended up happening.

How many signings is that for Pats now this off-season? They've been doing some business alright.

[joey B]

Harps signed Mark Mbuli from Institute …

[Jack B]

How many signings is that for Pats now this off-season? They've been doing some business alright.

Might be missing some here, but off the top of my head in the off-season:

Incomings: Keating, Keeley, B.Kavanagh, Turner, Pitaluga (loan), C.Kavanagh, Bolger, Alfie Taylor (loan)
Outgoings: Lyness, Curtis, Murphy, Doyle, Carty (loan), Norman Jr, McGrath, Brockbank, Timmermans, McCormack, Lipsiuc, Odumosu

[Nesta99]

The Cliftonville fans seem to be delighted to have got Odumosu on a permanent deal , glad it's going well for him up there

Dundalk in the hunt for a keeper, (decent backup for a few years even) a local lad that played through the club's youths setup, a stated fan prior, played with 2 of the best coached and resourced Dundalk Schoolboys League clubs - either he really wasnt rated by Dundalk or Dundalk are particularly bad at retaining young talent!! Yeah he wanted game time and got it at United Park, nominated for keeper of the year. Had couple of madcap moments for St Pats, being flashy backfiring when he was trying to show confidnce but nothing some coaching and exprience wouldnt sort. Would have been a less eccentric back up for Sheppard than what we had if he was willing to be 2nd choice at St Pats, when Sheppards agent was messing around last autumn you'd think there'd have been a proper conversation about him, ok it would involve Dundalk and Pats sitting at the same table, but he was out on loan, match sharp, 'proven', Cliftonville were being scouted for other players by Dundalk so form would have been evident. At face value it seems a missed opportunity, what do we know about the new keeper really. There are always calls for more locals in the squad, he's been on trial abroad and at 22 has transfer value, big lad built to be a keeper. Its just odd and when you add in not keeping the top scorer in the side that were damn unlucky not to be U19 Champions, a striker, to Longford...why? after losing 2 main strikers. Seemed to be some issue with with others in that 19s side like Mullen. Maybe it all looks good on paper and I aint a manager but if Bonner is tucking them away for Longford and we have a calamity keeper and goal shy attack.....even if the new signings are top notch why have a youth system if yer not willing to promote the better talent coming through, could even save on wages initially and add depth elswhere...... Rant over!