View Full Version : 2024 Season, Arrivals and Departures
outspoken
08/04/2024, 5:00 PM
Great craic if they give it to Rogers. He'll no doubt have his name in the hat anyway. Lives across the border in Monaghan.
Back in the UK afaik
total hoofball
08/04/2024, 6:22 PM
Anyone else think Declan Devine could make a swift LOI comeback with Dundalk as there is such a dearth of available candidates? It already sounds like Glentoran are falling apart around him in that caretaker role with issues outside of his control
O'Donnell inevitably on his Pats 2021 and Dundalk 2022 campaigns will be top candidate to replace whoever is the next Premier Division manager to get the bullet
Buckett
08/04/2024, 6:43 PM
O'Donnell should just apply for the Dundalk job if there's nobody better than him available!
Nesta99
08/04/2024, 6:51 PM
Anyone else think Declan Devine could make a swift LOI comeback with Dundalk as there is such a dearth of available candidates? It already sounds like Glentoran are falling apart around him in that caretaker role with issues outside of his control
O'Donnell inevitably on his Pats 2021 and Dundalk 2022 campaigns will be top candidate to replace whoever is the next Premier Division manager to get the bullet
I dont think so but maybe beggars cant be choosers. There have been some decent and not totally off the wall suggestions, Paddy McLoughlin for example. I certainly can see IL managers/coaches fitting the bill and not out of our league, pardon the pun, especially with weeks left in their season. A decent coaching team could be assembled, Stephen McDonnell is building his rep and could be enticed back? Im sure peopl would see that as underwhelming but maybe he is ready to step up. Currently, performances and maybe finances dont suggest that we can make a really marquee appointment. If the interm coaches start to quickly get results, however unlikely, it will throw the cat among the pidgeons. A proper DoF appoitment years back could have eased the playing side of things through ownership upheavel, but thats for another day now and Id be a traditionalist, head of recruitment seemed a half hearted effort of a DoF type role.
bohsmug
08/04/2024, 7:28 PM
Glentoran are a basket case and have been for a few years. Can't be pinned on Devine. Can see how he could light a fire in Dundalk and get them going but sustaining it seems to be a problem for him. I could see it happening alright but who knows.
dundalkfc10
08/04/2024, 9:21 PM
Glentoran are a basket case and have been for a few years. Can't be pinned on Devine. Can see how he could light a fire in Dundalk and get them going but sustaining it seems to be a problem for him. I could see it happening alright but who knows.
What we need is someone to somehow turn the season around straight away. Id take 2nd last and a play off spot right now if offered it
ontheotherhand
08/04/2024, 9:52 PM
What we need is someone to somehow turn the season around straight away. Id take 2nd last and a play off spot right now if offered it
I'd agree with bohsmug. Devine would be a good shout but only for the rest of the season. He seems to be able to get teams fired up enough for a while but then it fades. It might be enough for what Dundalk need right now.
JC_GUFC
09/04/2024, 4:35 PM
Glentoran are going to be in a European playoff against a bunch of middling teams (Crusaders, Coleraine and winner of the bottom half split) they have every chance of winning that and that would be a decent achievement. If they don't win it he'll be gone at the end of the season anyway, so in some ways he's in a bit of a no-lose situation. Dundalk look in a terrible state at the moment, it's still early in the season and I wouldn't totally write them off yet but it doesn't look like an attractive job at all given how the season has begun for them.
joey B
10/04/2024, 1:58 PM
https://www.thesun.ie/sport/12723684/dundalk-stephen-odonnell-next-manager-paddy-mclaughlin/
Paddy McLaughlin in the frame for the Dundalk job….
total hoofball
10/04/2024, 6:20 PM
https://www.thesun.ie/sport/12723684/dundalk-stephen-odonnell-next-manager-paddy-mclaughlin/
Paddy McLaughlin in the frame for the Dundalk job….
I really think Dundalk hiring someone who knows the league well is a necessity for them otherwise it's a huge gamble for where they are with their mess of a squad, McLaughlin was let go by Derry less than a season after being headhunted to be Higgins assistant that would be a very risky hire by Dundalk for me
Another Bohemia
10/04/2024, 7:51 PM
I really think Dundalk hiring someone who knows the league well is a necessity for them otherwise it's a huge gamble for where they are with their mess of a squad, McLaughlin was let go by Derry less than a season after being headhunted to be Higgins assistant that would be a very risky hire by Dundalk for me
Have Derry improved since McLaughlin left? Considering how underwhelming Derry still are its hard to know how much is down to McLaughlin and how much is down to Higgins. There's also the idea that some managers/coaches are suited more to one role than another e.g. it's agreed that Trevor Crolly is a great coach but wasn't a good manager. Not sure I've seen it work the other way but generally speaking managers don't go back to being assistants if they were good managers but either way McLaughlins cv as a manager seems quite good even if his time at Derry ended so abruptly
Nesta99
10/04/2024, 8:42 PM
Why he left Derry 1 year in to a 3 year role for no other job would be interesting to know. My own thoughts on his appointment as Derry assistant was that he was an immediate threat to Higgins and a ready made replacement if Derry under performed - potentially shortening how much time Higgins might be given. He may have just wanted a break from football or they just didnt like each other or maybe he was making too many suggestions on how to improve ... but was all a bit odd from the outside regardless.
Another Bohemia
10/04/2024, 8:48 PM
Why he left Derry 1 year in to a 3 year role for no other job would be interesting to know. My own thoughts on his appointment as Derry assistant was that he was an immediate threat to Higgins and a ready made replacement if Derry under performed - potentially shortening how much time Higgins might be given. He may have just wanted a break from football or they just didnt like each other or maybe he was making too many suggestions on how to improve ... but was all a bit odd from the outside regardless.
From what I read he was told he wouldn't be involved in the first team any more and that prompted him to leave. I can understand not wanting to stay somewhere you're not wanted but I wonder why he was removed from the role he was hired from so quickly. Could be as simple as a disagreement on how to train the players and set up the team or something bigger
Nesta99
10/04/2024, 9:12 PM
Yup I knew that so no idea why put things like that above, brain fog moment! Same difference in wondering what went on though.
sbgawa
11/04/2024, 9:00 AM
From what I read he was told he wouldn't be involved in the first team any more and that prompted him to leave. I can understand not wanting to stay somewhere you're not wanted but I wonder why he was removed from the role he was hired from so quickly. Could be as simple as a disagreement on how to train the players and set up the team or something bigger
Considering the relative underperformance of Derry for the last year or so and the fact they dont seem to change their approach i can imagine a number 2 constantly suggesting changes would find his way to the door quickly enough.
He was hardly shown the door for agreeing with Higgins
Another Bohemia
11/04/2024, 2:36 PM
Exactly, could be a good appointment or a bad one but I'd be hesitant to judge him on his time at Derry.
In other arrivals news Bohs have announced Alan Moore as first team coach analyst. I know all of those words but I can't say I've seen them used in a single job title before but there certainly needs to be a few fresh perspectives brought in to help turn around the on field performances.
he analyzes the coaches? :D
A lot of Shelbourne alumni joining toe set up... two of them called Alan...
Exactly, could be a good appointment or a bad one but I'd be hesitant to judge him on his time at Derry.
In other arrivals news Bohs have announced Alan Moore as first team coach analyst. I know all of those words but I can't say I've seen them used in a single job title before but there certainly needs to be a few fresh perspectives brought in to help turn around the on field performances.
Loved his work with 2000AD, seems a strange appointment though.
Nesta99
11/04/2024, 5:36 PM
Loved his work with 2000AD, seems a strange appointment though.
Nerd!
A N Mouse
11/04/2024, 9:00 PM
Derry have the squad to be much closer to what has been, by their standards, an under-performing Rovers team. But both teams have pretty much failed to whelm for what 2 seasons? More?
Higgins is in his third full season, he either wins the league with a bit to spare or he's gone. He could conceivably win the league and still go. How to put it? He's on borrowed time, a busted flush, a hiding to nothing, feck all to lose. Hence putting all his eggs in a Hoban shaped basket. A bigger statement of intent would have been signing the big ginger fecker, but that was never going to happen. Either way the physio was going to earn his coin.
If I'd done the prediction thread I would have put him down as first manager to go, because if Derry are off the pace he could be gone when they exit Europe.
But all the clubs would face a similar issue, who do you replace him with? If Paddy had stayed as no2 then that might have worked. But now who Duff? Bradley? Kenny? Last one most likely, and that's remote. Someone from the IL?
The bigger problem would be without a succession plan Bradley and Rovers would have their pick of this squad. And whoever came in would be looking at another three year plan.
RealJohn91
12/04/2024, 12:29 AM
In other arrivals news Bohs have announced Alan Moore as first team coach analyst. I know all of those words but I can't say I've seen them used in a single job title before but there certainly needs to be a few fresh perspectives brought in to help turn around the on field performances.
Seems a pretty common role in most clubs in the UK going by a quick Google search at least
ToberonaTornado
12/04/2024, 4:17 AM
Dundalk likely targets are Paddy McLoughlin, Vinny Perth and if we can wait for 2 weeks.... Ruari Higgins.
Now Vinny basically ruled himself out the other day so that automatically makes him favourite ?
ger121
12/04/2024, 12:56 PM
Seems a pretty common role in most clubs in the UK going by a quick Google search at least
He has plenty of experience in the UK. We need all the help we can get!
brendy_éire
12/04/2024, 3:39 PM
I really think Dundalk hiring someone who knows the league well is a necessity for them otherwise it's a huge gamble for where they are with their mess of a squad, McLaughlin was let go by Derry less than a season after being headhunted to be Higgins assistant that would be a very risky hire by Dundalk for me
He was let go, but the circumstances are shrouded in mystery. Higgins has been after him since he got the Derry job, finally did, then maybe fell out with him, according to the rumours. Paddy was let go in December, two months later the club issue a statement on it. All very strange.
Personally, I think he'd be a great shout for a manager of any club. Fully expect him to be managing us some day.
He has a decent bit of experience, and has done well everywhere he's gone. Mightn't have managed in the LoI before, but he'll know the league inside out.
Still in awe over the job he did with Institute when he got them promoted in 2018. Stute had so little money, maybe offering lads 30 quid a week, getting outbid on wages by Inishowen League clubs, and won the league by nine points.
cláirseach
12/04/2024, 4:03 PM
Dundalk would be doing very wlel to get McLaughlin, but he'd have to be tempted to wait for something else to pop up sooner or later.
Nesta99
12/04/2024, 4:44 PM
Timing could be everything here, a bit further in to the season, a little less patience by Derry to see that squad actually play, and McLaughlin could be sitting in Higgins job looking for his assistant. If you headhunt an assistant you'd expect him to be of a similar thought process on coaching and team. Differences of opinion on some things is a positive in coaching teams and imo a manager should listen to ideas. Unless an assistant is going out of the way to undermine a manager with players or board, or is totally at odds on how to get the best from a talented squad well it is or was very strange and Dundalk fans are pretty used to strange. At this stage, if I had to choose between Hggins or McLaughlin I think i'd be picking McLaughlin and I really felt that Higgins taking the Derry job, well resourced, that past great Derry sides would be surpassed. It shows how much appointing a manager in LoI is often a roll of the dice, takes luck as well as ability especially when you dont have a small towns worth of coaches, scouts and analysts employed.
I dont expect any particular target to become manager, Im not sure I have preferences for, more than who I wouldnt want. Bit like the Ireland situation, best laid plans and all that, we'll find out in due course and hope it works out once again. News of investment can sway things though what level on investment is of interest not that i think it should be divulged as long as bills are payed etc.
Shearer
13/04/2024, 9:40 PM
Stephen Henderson sacked
Martinho II
13/04/2024, 11:10 PM
Stephen Henderson sacked
No surprise really he had stopped doing inteviews. With every passin week fans were gettin less and less interested. I had great time for the bloke as he got in touch with me on facebook about his dad Paddy who played with us in 1960. Its tragic that hes gone now in clubs 100th year.
total hoofball
14/04/2024, 8:40 AM
I still scratch my head at Longford's decision to sack Daire Doyle when he overachieved getting them promoted in the first place not surprised 3 seasons later that decision is haunting them
total hoofball
14/04/2024, 8:44 AM
He was let go, but the circumstances are shrouded in mystery. Higgins has been after him since he got the Derry job, finally did, then maybe fell out with him, according to the rumours. Paddy was let go in December, two months later the club issue a statement on it. All very strange.
Personally, I think he'd be a great shout for a manager of any club. Fully expect him to be managing us some day.
He has a decent bit of experience, and has done well everywhere he's gone. Mightn't have managed in the LoI before, but he'll know the league inside out.
Still in awe over the job he did with Institute when he got them promoted in 2018. Stute had so little money, maybe offering lads 30 quid a week, getting outbid on wages by Inishowen League clubs, and won the league by nine points.
Not denying McLaughlin has done ok in NI but it's a different ball game down South in an almost fully professional Premier Division with a Dundalk squad that looks to be a mess of recruitment that it would be a very difficult job even for a seasoned manager with LOI experience to take on. Dundalk can't mess up with their eventual hire otherwise it may be back to the First Division
Another Bohemia
14/04/2024, 11:54 AM
Not denying McLaughlin has done ok in NI but it's a different ball game down South in an almost fully professional Premier Division with a Dundalk squad that looks to be a mess of recruitment that it would be a very difficult job even for a seasoned manager with LOI experience to take on. Dundalk can't mess up with their eventual hire otherwise it may be back to the First Division
If Dundalk leave it too long their new manager won't be able to get to know the squad before the summer transfer window and will struggle to bring in necessary reinforcements, they could also end up competing with Derry for manager candidates if they leave it too long and both these scenarios could end up in the drop as well. If they think McLaughlin is their man they need to get him in ASAP.
ger121
14/04/2024, 1:09 PM
Would Dundalk fans like Perth back. He knows the club very well and has been successful in his different spells there.
nigel-harps1954
14/04/2024, 1:13 PM
Paddy McLaughlin would be a cracking appointment for Dundalk. They'd want to be getting him in place before Derry go after him once Higgins is inevitably given the boot too.
Would Dundalk fans like Perth back. He knows the club very well and has been successful in his different spells there.
Heard DFC have made an approach for Ian Baraclough, he's assistant in the Cheltenham job, and they should be relegated soon freeing him up, not sure he will be interested, plus he will have bigger options, then again the NI job won't have done him any favours in getting his name out there.
Still prob pick up a role in UK.
Nesta99
14/04/2024, 7:03 PM
For all the beggers cant be choosers stuff i'd be disappointed with Baraclough. Not so much that he cant do a job but that he cant do this job imo.
Paddy McLaughlin would be a cracking appointment for Dundalk. They'd want to be getting him in place before Derry go after him once Higgins is inevitably given the boot too.
Doesn't appear to be much 'love' on DFC socials for PML.
ToberonaTornado
14/04/2024, 9:26 PM
Would Dundalk fans like Perth back. He knows the club very well and has been successful in his different spells there.
From what I'm reading on socials that have a Dundalk fan connection he's currently the preferred choice atm.
I think it will either be him or Paddy McLaughlin and I'd be happy with either of them.
ToberonaTornado
14/04/2024, 9:27 PM
PS
I'd be happier if it was VP
outspoken
14/04/2024, 11:25 PM
I still scratch my head at Longford's decision to sack Daire Doyle when he overachieved getting them promoted in the first place not surprised 3 seasons later that decision is haunting them
Fully agree, Daire was an absolutely brilliant manager, couldn't speak highly enough of him
sbgawa
15/04/2024, 1:01 PM
Jonathan Hill finaly gone from the FAI.
So the FAI might actually have a CEO who is based in this country going forward.
Only the FAI could have thought an organisation with staff morale on the floor could be cured by hiring an English man to work from England via teams .....
Everyone involved in that decison should go with him.
A failure from start to finish
Dermobohs
15/04/2024, 1:23 PM
Jonathan Hill finaly gone from the FAI.
So the FAI might actually have a CEO who is based in this country going forward.
Only the FAI could have thought an organisation with staff morale on the floor could be cured by hiring an English man to work from England via teams .....
Everyone involved in that decison should go with him.
A failure from start to finish
Yep all true.
ger121
15/04/2024, 2:07 PM
Jonathan Hill finaly gone from the FAI.
So the FAI might actually have a CEO who is based in this country going forward.
Only the FAI could have thought an organisation with staff morale on the floor could be cured by hiring an English man to work from England via teams .....
Everyone involved in that decison should go with him.
A failure from start to finish
Well he did tell a big porky when he got the job that he would move over. Once he didn’t then I felt you could never trust anything he said. We won’t even start on all his “commercial contacts”
ontheotherhand
15/04/2024, 2:35 PM
How will they make a mess of the next appointment do you think?
sbgawa
15/04/2024, 2:42 PM
How will they make a mess of the next appointment do you think?
Appointment you say !!! we are a long way from that , a period of mourning followed by an interim appointment whule they consider what to do.
One of the Healy Raes??
Another Bohemia
15/04/2024, 2:43 PM
Appointment you say !!! we are a long way from that , a period of mourning followed by an interim appointment whule they consider what to do.
One of the Healy Raes??
I hear Dee Forbes is set to be announced as the interim appointment
sbgawa
15/04/2024, 2:48 PM
Bring back John D i was happier when i didnt know we were broke and was thinking we were heading for debt free by..................
Nesta99
15/04/2024, 8:30 PM
Shooting hoops would be a passtime of a potentialy very good candidate!
Another Bohemia
15/04/2024, 9:53 PM
Shooting hoops would be a passtime of a potentialy very good candidate!
I'm not a fan of Rovers supporters at the best of times but I cannot condone hunting them for sport
Nesta99
16/04/2024, 9:33 AM
Spoil sport!
Look if the numbers are getting out of control something has to be done
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