League of Ireland in Europe 2019

[Ezeikial]

Being an anchor tenant is slightly different to renting but this is old ground and if people haven't got it by now they never will

Have you an email address for UEFA? You should let them know about the anchor tenant stuff

Anyway if it happens that we end up playing Slovan Bratislava (Slovakia) that week, we will need the flight seats into Vienna as well - so Rovers would have to shift

[seand]

My apologies for being slipshod with the semantics of Rovers' tenancy. Teams who own their own stadiums have been shifted to accommodate higher ranked teams in the past, that's how UEFA roll. Stadium owners (or even anchor tenants) probably should get priority, but there's precedent that they don't.

It's gonna be a nightmare when we're both in the group phase

[RathfarnhamHoop]

My apologies for being slipshod with the semantics of Rovers' tenancy. Teams who own their own stadiums have been shifted to accommodate higher ranked teams in the past, that's how UEFA roll. Stadium owners (or even anchor tenants) probably should get priority, but there's precedent that they don't.

It's gonna be a nightmare when we're both in the group phase

Team haven't been shifted from their own stadium so others can use that stadium though.

Hopefully that's a nightmare we have to endure

[seand]

Team haven't been shifted from their own stadium so others can use that stadium though.

Hopefully that's a nightmare we have to endure

Yes they have. I already gave one example up thread.

[RathfarnhamHoop]

Yes they have. I already gave one example up thread.

An example? Where?

[sidewayspasser]

It's gonna be a nightmare when we're both in the group phase
Maybe one of you would have to move to Thomond or the Aviva then.

[sparky12345678]

Nice one, if it is Bratisalva, good to know about Aer Lingus option to Vienna, looks to be just over an hour by train to Bratsislva.

Not the worst of draws really.

Flixbus has a connection from Vienna Airport to Bratislava also. Yea its really handy, one hour and less than a tenner.

Vienna airport is really easy to use once u walk out of Luggage claim etc the Train station is just below and the bus connections are all outside.
Usually Aerlingus - Vienna is the most expensive, then the Ryanair one and then the Bratislava Ryanair flight but its expensive at short notice esp in August notice regardless.

[seand]

An example? Where?

Dundalk at Jeunesse Esch, got moved to facilitate Fola Esch

Back on topic, two reaonably good draws for Dundalk

[RathfarnhamHoop]

Dundalk at Jeunesse Esch, got moved to facilitate Fola Esch

Back on topic, two reaonably good draws for Dundalk

I just googled it and it looks like there was a game in the same place (Esch) but the tie dundalk were in and the other tie both had their Luxembourg legs in different grounds. So it's comparable to Pats having to move their potential second round game but not comparable to the potential tallaght problem

[Nesta99]

I can completely understand why any Rovers fan would have an almost unhealthy fixation on their permanent home ground, rented, anchor tenants, leased, or whatever. But RH seand is right, the higher ranked competition and then club if in the same comp get first dibs as UEFA dont give a damn about anchor tenants etc, just that the games are held in an appropriate stadia and its the easiest way of making a decision and avoiding people having issue similar to yerself. Lets hope we end up getting the tangible and concrete evidence!! Either way fear not as we will be giving Tallaght Stadium back to SDCC after for your use! I am presuming they recieve any rental generated by our use of the ground, and probably at a higher cost per game than the rental Rovers pay?!

If Tallaght Stadium were ever to co-host another club I think RH would have a meltdown!

[Asterix]

I imagine it would be up to the council and whatever aggrement they have with Rovers, if they tell dundalk the stadiums not available that night then theres nothing Uefa can do about it.

[Nesta99]

There is if it is to hold another match that is under UEFA jurisdiction. If it was say a concert that was booked you are right, they could say the stadium was unavailable on that particular night.

[Asterix]

Uefa have no say in what the council do, the Rovers game would only be moved if Dundalk were playing in Dublin on the same night, if Tallaght is unavailable then unles dundalk use the Aviva the Rovers game would't be reversed.

Turner Cross is an option for the third round as well isn't it?

[White Horse]

It's gonna be a nightmare when we're both in the group phase

That would be a nice problem to face.

[Ezeikial]

Uefa have no say in what the council do, the Rovers game would only be moved if Dundalk were playing in Dublin on the same night, if Tallaght is unavailable then unles dundalk use the Aviva the Rovers game would't be reversed.

Turner Cross is an option for the third round as well isn't it?

I suppose it was only a matter of time before SDCC and/or AGS were called in to it.

It's a hypothetical situation currently, although the contingency arrangements will be made by UEFA in conjunction with the FAI and the clubs in the event that it became a reality.

While I hope that it does not arise, it would nearly be worth it to witness the apoplectic outrage that a reversal of fixtures would trigger

[RathfarnhamHoop]

I imagine it would be up to the council and whatever aggrement they have with Rovers, if they tell dundalk the stadiums not available that night then theres nothing Uefa can do about it.

Good point. Dundalk have an obligation to provide a suitable venue, the sdcc don't have an obligation to accommodate them on any date they wish.

[joey B]

Could Dundalk hypothetically use Windsor park for a European game? Its closer than Tallaght!

[sbgawa]

Lads who gives a flying ****, I hope we have this problem all the way to the finals :)

[pineapple stu]

Could Dundalk hypothetically use Windsor park for a European game? Its closer than Tallaght!
Isn't there an issue with using venues in a different jurisdiction?

[Ezeikial]

Lads who gives a flying ****

RathfarnhamHoop and Asterix for starters

[Nesta99]

Uefa have no say in what the council do, the Rovers game would only be moved if Dundalk were playing in Dublin on the same night, if Tallaght is unavailable then unles dundalk use the Aviva the Rovers game would't be reversed.

Turner Cross is an option for the third round as well isn't it?

That is correct, but they do have a say on when home or away legs are played.

I highly doubt that SDCC would row in behind the possible outrage at a fixture reversal and withold a publicly paid for municipal facility that they might like to maximise a return on their investment in the facility. A paying customer is a paying customer if there is a free slot. I dont get the awkwardness around this for you RH and Asterix. Its a potential simple fixture reversal to accomodate 2 teams, one being ranked higher than the other will be given first choice on possible dates that have been alotted to fixtures. Nobody is taking Tallaght away from you!!

[sbgawa]

As long as peak 6bare prepared to pay a contribution which allows SDCC invest more in the stadium and charge us less annual rent let's take their money.
Every Euro they bring in is a Euro less Sdcc need from us and allows us spend more on the club, first team and acc academy

[RathfarnhamHoop]

That is correct, but they do have a say on when home or away legs are played.

I highly doubt that SDCC would row in behind the possible outrage at a fixture reversal and withold a publicly paid for municipal facility that they might like to maximise a return on their investment in the facility. A paying customer is a paying customer if there is a free slot. I dont get the awkwardness around this for you RH and Asterix. Its a potential simple fixture reversal to accomodate 2 teams, one being ranked higher than the other will be given first choice on possible dates that have been alotted to fixtures. Nobody is taking Tallaght away from you!!

If they have a contract that says Rovers can have the stadium they don't have a choice, there isn't necessarily a free slot. If Dundalk go to the SDCC and ask for the stadium on the 15th August and Rovers contract means they have it on that date there's nothing SDCC, Dundalk or UEFA can do. Obviously don't know the ins and outs of the deal Rovers have with the SDCC but I've heard Rovers basically get a certain number of days where when they want the ground they get it with enough notice but something like that would mean Dundalk would have to either play elsewhere or on another day. So Dundalks choices would be pay a lot more to rent a ground they probably wouldn't fill in Dublin, go to another City or move dates.

And fyi a municipal facility doesn't include Dundalk as Dundalk isn't in the SDCC.

The problem is it's not to accommodate two teams, Rovers are set, it's purely to accommodate Dundalk because they can't be arsed getting their own ground up to scratch.

[Nesta99]

With risk of digging up old sores but its not as if Rovers were arsed to get their own ground sorted! Step down from the high ground as it doesnt fit. I shall say again that UEFA will set the dates of fixtures, nothing that Rovers can do about that but play when and where they are scheduled as it will be with Dundalk. Why so precious about all this?

[geysir]

It goes without saying that Dundalk should have a stadium to equal Tallaght, Oriel Park is a kip and that's not just the pitch, whilst most everything else about the club is positive.

[RathfarnhamHoop]

With risk of digging up old sores but its not as if Rovers were arsed to get their own ground sorted! Step down from the high ground as it doesnt fit. I shall say again that UEFA will set the dates of fixtures, nothing that Rovers can do about that but play when and where they are scheduled as it will be with Dundalk. Why so precious about all this?

Rovers had 11 jerseys and a few balls and still kept trying to get a ground sorted, SDCC didn't just wake up one morning in 2008 and decide to build a stadium snap their fingers and it appear. UEFA can schedule Dundalk to play on whatever date they want SDCC don't have to make Tallaght available on that date for them Dundalk and UEFA have to fit in around any arrangement Rovers and SDCC have not the other way round.

[placid casual]

It seems it's the dundalk fans who are failing to grasp this situation. There is no higher precedent for champions League or Europa League. IF it comes to pass that there is a conflict then dundalk will have to seek a movement of 1st leg/2nd leg or else find an alternative to Tallaght. There is no other option. Get used to it.

[EatYerGreens]

As long as peak 6bare prepared to pay a contribution which allows SDCC invest more in the stadium and charge us less annual rent let's take their money.
Every Euro they bring in is a Euro less Sdcc need from us and allows us spend more on the club, first team and acc academy

You're deluded if you think there will be a cent of reduction in Rovers' rent as a result of any extra income SDCC receive form renting the stadium out to other teams.

[EatYerGreens]

It goes without saying that Dundalk should have a stadium to equal Tallaght, Oriel Park is a kip and that's not just the pitch, whilst most everything else about the club is positive.

Dundalk desperately need a better ground. But I don't think it's credible to suggest they should have anything like Tallaght any time soon.

SDCC have turned Tallaght into a 10,000 capacity stadium - not just for Shamrock Rovers, but because they see it as a venue to host all sorts of events. There just isn't the demand nor the population in Dundalk to pursue a similar approach there. A 6,000 stadium would be more than enough for Dundalk for the foreseeable future tbh.

[Charlie Darwin]

Uefa have no say in what the council do, the Rovers game would only be moved if Dundalk were playing in Dublin on the same night, if Tallaght is unavailable then unles dundalk use the Aviva the Rovers game would't be reversed.

Turner Cross is an option for the third round as well isn't it?
Well UEFA could schedule the games so Dundalk are playing one week and Rovers the other and leave it to the clubs to sort it out.

[Charlie Darwin]

RathfarnhamHoop and Asterix for starters
Asterix literally gives four ****s.

[Asterix]

Well UEFA could schedule the games so Dundalk are playing one week and Rovers the other and leave it to the clubs to sort it out.

Yeah but you think what would happen is dundalk are told to find a suitable ground, tallaght is unavailable so they ask uefa to change their fixture or use a different ground.

It wouldn't bother me if rovers games were reversed, I know the higher ranked team get priority if playing within a certain distance of another game but they can't be given prority use of a stadium if the owner can refuse to let them play there.

I doubt Uefa would get involved to much as they wouldn't care if dundalk had to play it in Cork.

[marinobohs]

Rovers had 11 jerseys and a few balls and still kept trying to get a ground sorted, SDCC didn't just wake up one morning in 2008 and decide to build a stadium snap their fingers and it appear. UEFA can schedule Dundalk to play on whatever date they want SDCC don't have to make Tallaght available on that date for them Dundalk and UEFA have to fit in around any arrangement Rovers and SDCC have not the other way round.

Less than a week after they wrote a snotty letter to the FAI about the Minister for Sport 'interfering in football matters' it would be hilarious to see their response to this nonsense :D (having to arrange fixtures around a small local council).

Doubt it will arise but hypothetically, if SDCC denied Dundalk access to the SDCC Stadium and they rented the Aviva, would shams not have to change anyway (if both 'Home games' scheduled for same night) ?

I honestly doubt that UEFA give a fiddlers about either team and will primarily leave it to the clubs to sort out (or God help us, the FAI) but in the event there was no agreement I suspect they would give Dundalk the first choice.

[seand]

I dunno (or really care) how it'll all pan out, but I suspect that by now Dundalk will have had to nominate their 'home' ground for the third and subsequent rounds. It's not gonna be a case that we enter the third round and then start thinking about where it'll be played. That'll presumably be Tallaght, with the blessing of SDCC. Dundalk getting bumped to Cork, Aviva or Windsor won't be a runner.

[dundalkfc10]

I dunno (or really care) how it'll all pan out, but I suspect that by now Dundalk will have had to nominate their 'home' ground for the third and subsequent rounds. It's not gonna be a case that we enter the third round and then start thinking about where it'll be played. That'll presumably be Tallaght, with the blessing of SDCC. Dundalk getting bumped to Cork, Aviva or Windsor won't be a runner.

Dundalk have already giving Tallaght as their "Home Venue" to Uefa for the 3rd round of either Comp (was done straight after draw yesterday)

Uefa will decide who is at home on what week.

[geysir]

Dundalk desperately need a better ground. But I don't think it's credible to suggest they should have anything like Tallaght any time soon.

SDCC have turned Tallaght into a 10,000 capacity stadium - not just for Shamrock Rovers, but because they see it as a venue to host all sorts of events. There just isn't the demand nor the population in Dundalk to pursue a similar approach there. A 6,000 stadium would be more than enough for Dundalk for the foreseeable future tbh.
I see Tallaght has just over 8,000 seat capacity with plans to expand. I thought it had something <7,000.
6,000 seats is probably enough for Dundalk but with scope to add on, should latter stage european competition become a fixture :)

[bennocelt]

Any predictions for this weeks games?

I am going to be positive. (or foolish)

Dundalk 0 -0 Qarabag FK.
Dundalk's defence held up sound in the two games V Riga, ok they were not that tested but they looked well in control and worked well together, I think they can restrict Qarabag to the same. Get a nil niler today and its all to play for next week which Id imagine would suit Dundalk no end, considering how many times they have scored abroad.

Shamrock Rovers 2-0 Apollon Limassol
Rovers have a team of ballers and also are quite pacy on the break. Id guess Limassol are expecting another easy pickings from a LOI team here, but Rovers have momentum now..........get that crowd going and you never know they might pull of a great result.

[pateen]

Does anyone know if the Rovers game is covered live by a Cypriot channel.

As usual, RTE not bothered their fat salary holes

[sparky12345678]

Does anyone know if the Rovers game is covered live by a Cypriot channel.

As usual, RTE not bothered their fat salary holes

How come RTE showed the previous round Dundalk game but not this one? Its on Eirsport though right?

[oriel]

Dundalk have looked a lot tighter at the back since Boyle re-joined and his partnership with Hoare in europe is definitely the strongest IMO, flanked by Gannon and I`d also retain Massey. I noticed Boyle also has the back line playing a little higher up too, hopefully this continues tonight, I'd be delighted with a 0-0 or anything nil ! Qarabag are still strong favs to advance, but they are out of season, so who knows, we will have a chance thats for sure.

I think Rovers can get a win at home, I wouldnt think by 2 though, if they an grind out a 1-0 win they'll also be delighted.

[Couch Potato]

The SDCC aren't stupid either IF both teams end up with a game on the same night and Dundalk decide to use the Aviva then the rovers home game would be changed anyway as UEFA don't allow two games in the same city on the same night.
This would cost the SDCC a nights rent from Dundalk and Rovers wouldn't be playing in the stadium that night.
You'd have to imagine that the SDCC will want both clubs playing the games in Tallaght considering the expense they have gone to on upgrades which likely means Rovers will be asked to play away when Dundalk play at home in Tallaght I would guess.
All hypothetical stuff at the moment in any case

[marinobohs]

The SDCC aren't stupid either IF both teams end up with a game on the same night and Dundalk decide to use the Aviva then the rovers home game would be changed anyway as UEFA don't allow two games in the same city on the same night.
This would cost the SDCC a nights rent from Dundalk and Rovers wouldn't be playing in the stadium that night.
You'd have to imagine that the SDCC will want both clubs playing the games in Tallaght considering the expense they have gone to on upgrades which likely means Rovers will be asked to play away when Dundalk play at home in Tallaght I would guess.
All hypothetical stuff at the moment in any case

As was stated earlier Dundalk have already nominated SDCC Stadium as their home ground, this would only be done with the agreement of SDCC. There is no sensible reason why they (SDCC) would deny Dundalk access now.
If both are drawn “at home” it will be left to the clubs to agree or UEFA guidelines will be applied.

[Martinho II]

Does anyone know if the Rovers game is covered live by a Cypriot channel.

As usual, RTE not bothered their fat salary holes

why is eir not showing this? very surprised by this!

[Park_Lane]

why is eir not showing this? very surprised by this!

Think they piggybacked the Norweigan TV company last time, so no irish tv company arsed with showing it off their own bat. Should make for a bumper gate (finger crossed).

[Real ale Madrid]

https://www.cyta.com.cy/tv-live-sports-events/en

Listed on Cytavision Sport 2HD in Cyprus - disapointed that no one has picked it up.

[joey B]

Just on Northern Irelands interest in European football,one Linfield fan travelled to the Faroe islands for last night's game, I know its not easy to get to but one is a bit pathetic....

[ger121]

Just on Northern Irelands interest in European football,one Linfield fan travelled to the Faroe islands for last night's game, I know its not easy to get to but one is a bit pathetic....

I don’t know which is worse. That only one fan went or the fact that one fan appears to have no mates to go with them.

[pineapple stu]

In their defence, it must be the fifth or sixth time they've been there this decade. Awkward spot to get to, and only a well after a trip to Norway too.

Two interesting games this week. Both LoI sides should be odds against, but neither should be a foregone conclusion. Up against two sides who are group stage regulars lately, but not very good group stage regulars, and Rovers/Dundalk have both been there themselves.

These are games the league needs to start winning if we're to have "very good nights" in Europe.

Dundalk need a big improvement on the Riga performance over the two legs. It's doable, but difficult. Rovers could claim to have already knocked out a similar strength side and would be slightly the more likely to progress for me.

I'll go a narrow defeat for Dundalk and a draw for Rovers

[Mr A]

I don’t know which is worse. That only one fan went or the fact that one fan appears to have no mates to go with them.

Proud to say I have not missed a single European game home or away since I started following the Harps.

[paul_oshea]

It's eir sport isn't it?

0-0 or 0-1 tonight

1-1 tomorrow.