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Mr_Parker

26/01/2010, 1:26 PM

Someone who has seen the administrators report to the High Court tells me that Cliftonville are not listed as a creditor. Linfield and Dungannon are.

You have consistently stated that there was a debt owed to Cliftonville?

Oh I hope this is true, will keep Mr Parker quiet once and for all

No chance. :)

Cliftonville are owed money. Simple as. The administrator, Derry City both old and 'new' and other parties are all aware of this.

garyderry

26/01/2010, 4:10 PM

No chance. :)

Cliftonville are owed money. Simple as. The administrator, Derry City both old and 'new' and other parties are all aware of this.

There is a big difference between you and cliftonvile claiming to be owed money, and actually being owed money, your only owed money if its proven and accepted by the administrator.

Has it been?

I honestly dont have a clue one way or the other, just asking?

OneRedArmy

26/01/2010, 4:22 PM

No chance. :)

Cliftonville are owed money. Simple as. The administrator, Derry City both old and 'new' and other parties are all aware of this.Here's whats simple, you've two choices:
1) Cliftonville didn't submit their application for creditor status in time; or
2) Cliftonville submitted it but it wasn't accepted by the administrator that you were a creditor.

Which is it?

MariborKev

26/01/2010, 5:50 PM

The administrator

Er, no mention in their report.......

osarusan

26/01/2010, 5:52 PM

There may be a distinction between "the administrator is aware of it" and "they're listed as a creditor", but from what I've read on here, it sounds like if you are not on the list of creditors, you're entitled to nothing?

R�iteoir

26/01/2010, 6:47 PM

Here's whats simple, you've two choices:
1) Cliftonville didn't submit their application for creditor status in time; or
2) Cliftonville submitted it but it wasn't accepted by the administrator that you were a creditor.

Which is it?

I've heard it was Number 1)

The application was received about 15 minutes after the stipulated deadline - the club are blaming traffic delays apparently.

corkharps

26/01/2010, 10:19 PM

I've heard it was Number 1)

I heard it was a load of number two!

OneRedArmy

28/01/2010, 8:52 AM

This thread has gone quiet.

Can I suggest Mr. Parker follows the site rules and substantiates his allegation or retracts?

Mr_Parker

28/01/2010, 10:11 AM

This thread has gone quiet.

Can I suggest Mr. Parker follows the site rules and substantiates his allegation or retracts?

or maybe you should just ask Ronan. ;)

OneRedArmy

28/01/2010, 12:50 PM

twoenz

02/02/2010, 9:40 AM

So, back to matters on the pitch. Barry Molloy has joined again after not getting a contract at Bristol Rovers. Unfortunately for Dundalk, that's 3 former Derry players that have turned down lucrative contracts to go elsewhere (Martyn to the Glens, Molloy and Farren to Derry).

dcfcsteve

02/02/2010, 12:19 PM

I have his report, which is what was lodged in the High Court. That makes no mention of a Cliftonville debt.

Presume the debt will be included in a supplementary filing so?

Hang on ORA - surely you're not suggesting that Cliftonville's gurning over this has just been a load of unsubstantiated hot air.....?!?

EalingGreen

02/02/2010, 4:59 PM

dcfc1928

02/02/2010, 5:42 PM

Wrt Ciaran Martyn's move to The Oval, anyone know what's he like? Would DCFC have been keen to keep him?

Martyn sort of drifts in and out of games. Good player when he plays well, an attacking midfielder who likes to bound into the box and scores his fair share of goals, should do well in the IL. I'm sure Kenny would have loved to have kept him

Check out his contribution here in the game against Gretna: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WelpDm_Scd8

Doomofman

02/02/2010, 5:52 PM

Bit on BBC newsline about Derry moving out of the Brandywell.... Club said they're looking at all options... Templemoore mentioned... Council meetings with the club... That's about it lol

garyderry

02/02/2010, 6:40 PM

Rumours circulating that Sam Morrow will sign/has signed for Dunfermline (though nothing on club's Official Site):
http://www.hibs.net/message/showthread.php?t=173111
http://www.pieandbovril.com/forum/index.php/topic/120548-sam-morrow/

Wrt Ciaran Martyn's move to The Oval, anyone know what's he like? Would DCFC have been keen to keep him?

Ciaran Martyn, if he tries is a fantastic attacking midfielder on his day, will score from anywhere if he is given a chance,
That said his heart isnt in it that often and didnt get too many games for us last season. He went on loan to Norway a few years back and never
really hit form since returning, might just be what he needs moving to another club.
If he gets back to his old form you will have one of the best midfielders in the country.

dcfc1928

02/02/2010, 8:11 PM

Bit on BBC newsline about Derry moving out of the Brandywell.... Club said they're looking at all options... Templemoore mentioned... Council meetings with the club... That's about it lol

Would love to see this happening but this is Derry City Clowncil we're talking about. Basically they do a lot of talking with no final outcomes. We'll still be investigating possibilities in ten years time.

dcfc_1928

02/02/2010, 9:17 PM

Martyn sort of drifts in and out of games. Good player when he plays well, an attacking midfielder who likes to bound into the box and scores his fair share of goals, should do well in the IL. I'm sure Kenny would have loved to have kept him

Check out his contribution here in the game against Gretna: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WelpDm_Scd8

Unfortunately the Gretna game was one of his last meaningful contributions to the team - been pretty much useless since.

Mr_Parker

11/02/2010, 12:48 PM

or maybe you should just ask Ronan. ;)

I have his report, which is what was lodged in the High Court. That makes no mention of a Cliftonville debt.

Presume the debt will be included in a supplementary filing so?

Got your answer yet ORA? Wouldn't want to see you Licence application in danger now would we.......:eek:

MariborKev

11/02/2010, 7:50 PM

Don't you be worrying about our licence application Mr P.......

OneRedArmy

12/02/2010, 12:47 PM

Got your answer yet ORA? Wouldn't want to see you Licence application in danger now would we.......:eek:You just answered my question with a question.

Again.

Jofspring

15/02/2010, 3:57 PM

So whats the latest here. If Cork City are booted out and Foras, Cobh and the new Derry all get First Division licences who will be entitled to the two free places in the First Division? Genuine question, trying to catch up on all the news without having to read through every post.

brendy_�ire

15/02/2010, 4:39 PM

Doomofman

15/02/2010, 4:40 PM

Bray and Shels probably.

They're in contention for the Premier spots o.o

tippex

15/02/2010, 4:41 PM

Bray and Shels probably.

There is only one premier place up for grabs as we went into the playoff when derry got booted instead of us being automatically relegated. (galway would have been in the playoff with Drogheda otherwise)

brendy_�ire

15/02/2010, 4:42 PM

They're in contention for the Premier spots o.o

Read it wrong.
Fixed. :)

Mr A

16/02/2010, 12:32 PM

dcfcsteve's questions in the Cork thread made me wonder about what the structure of the new Derry City is.

Is it a fan owned and run club? Who appoints the directors? Is it a radical departure from the old structure or is it just a case of having better people in charge?

OneRedArmy

16/02/2010, 1:00 PM

My understanding is that shares are/will be available for fans to purchase, so if enough fans buy them, then it will effectively be fan owned.

The quality of the new board is unquestionably better that the last one, although that wouldn't be hard. Broadly level headed "older" individuals who have been previously involved in the club and have successful business track records.

dcfcsteve

16/02/2010, 3:11 PM

To add to ORA's response, we do have a Supporters Trust but it is still at an extremely embryonic stage.

So we currently don't have any viable fan alternative to having a traditional Board with better members. Cork arguably do.

Though I understand the Supporters Trust will be getting a seat on the new board (open to correction).

Mr A

17/02/2010, 8:49 AM

Astonishing quote from the Derry Chairman in the Irish Times (http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2010/0217/1224264629396.html) today:

Derry City chairman Philip O’Doherty says he is happy any lingering uncertainty over the club’s immediate future has been ended even if Stephen Kenny’s side will not be playing in the top flight next year.

“Obviously, we’d have preferred to be playing in the Premier Division and we feel it would have benefited from our presence, but John Delaney (FAI chief executive) made it absolutely clear from the outset that that was not a possibility and so I don’t suppose we have any complaints really.”

What planet is this guy on?

tippex

17/02/2010, 9:19 AM

refjohn

17/02/2010, 9:44 AM

yeah bit of a nuts quote but I would imagine it is mainly being said to point out the double standards of handling the derry and cork situations.

I think you are spot on Tippex. Nowhere have I seen Derry harbour any hopes of Premier Division - the new board simply accepted we were destined for First at best and the squad we have assembled was definitely built with First Division in mind. It must be tough however to see Cork in arguably as bad if not worse position appearing to save their Premier status.

shantykelly

17/02/2010, 10:48 AM

im just grateful that we're getting to play in the first division. that siad, if we had any chance of playing in the premier, i would have bitten your hand off to take it. and for any supporter/poster on here to say they would do otherwise is either a liar or an idiot, so i think slagging off PO'D for saying such a thing is a bit hypocritical.

Mr A

17/02/2010, 10:58 AM

I don't blame Derry, Cork or indeed anyone for taking what they are offered by the league authorities- any club would, as pointed out above and elsewhere.

I found the quote mad because the guy seemed to feel Derry should be in the top division. So instead of expressing gratitude at getting to skip the A league, he's instead 'not complaining' about being in the first. Like some quotes around the Setanta Cup question, these seem a little detached from reality.

garyderry

17/02/2010, 11:03 AM

yeah bit of a nuts quote but I would imagine it is mainly being said to point out the double standards of handling the derry and cork situations.

And a lot of other clubs too, not just Cork. Although I dont agree with us being in the premier, the rules should be applied evenly and dump a lot more clubs out.
Promote the likes of Bray and $hel$.

Candystripe

17/02/2010, 1:07 PM

I don't blame Derry, Cork or indeed anyone for taking what they are offered by the league authorities- any club would, as pointed out above and elsewhere.

he's instead 'not complaining' about being in the first. Like some quotes around the Setanta Cup question, these seem a little detached from reality.

Correct Mr A.....he's not complaining about us being in the first. We only applied for a first division licence so we had no chance of being in the premier anyway.

What you should be more worried about Mr A is your manager was shaking his head in disbelief at how good Derry were V Sporting Fingal last night and seemed resigned to another few years in the first. ;)

pineapple stu

17/02/2010, 1:13 PM

This is the same Sporting Fingal who's already drawn 1-1 with Monaghan? ;)

passerrby

17/02/2010, 1:33 PM

This is the same Sporting Fingal who's already drawn 1-1 with Monaghan? ;)

why so surprised, we have a good squad who would give any team premier or first a run for there money

pineapple stu

17/02/2010, 1:56 PM

That's not a surprised smiley; it's a winking smiley. Damn this new set-up...

(Although I was surprised :p)

EalingGreen

17/02/2010, 1:59 PM

why so surprised, we have a good squad who would give any team premier or first a run for there money

Do any of them have any money? ;)

dcfcsteve

17/02/2010, 2:11 PM

Astonishing quote from the Derry Chairman in the Irish Times (http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2010/0217/1224264629396.html) today:

What planet is this guy on?

What part of the quote are you struggling with Mr a ??

The bit where he said we'd have preferred to be in the Premier league ? Shock horror - which club wouldn't.

Or the bit where he said the Premier league would benefit from our presence ? It certainly would from a crowds and geographical balance perspective, as any objective person would agree. It may not benefit in terms of 'rules' but that's a value judgement - and one re a league where rules are regularly flouted anyway and we've faced the toughest ever penalty meeted out for it.

Or are you unhappy that our Chairman said he has no complaints re our current situation ?

I suspect your reaction here has more to do with being a Harps fan than with what was actually said by PoD

Mr A

04/03/2010, 11:04 AM

There are suggestions on ILS that the issue around Derry's IFA membership has not yet been fully resolved and even that Friday's match may not count as a league game. I don't believe for a second that it won't get sorted, but interesting nonetheless. Any Derry fans have any insight on this?

Originally Posted by Mr_Parker View Post
What nb seems to be elluding to is that Derry's required IFA membership is causing issues and that approval has yet to be given for the transfer of membership????

Candystripe

04/03/2010, 2:09 PM

I have to say Mr Parker really is infatuated with us.

Mr A

04/03/2010, 2:51 PM

It was a Linfield fan (and mod) that brought it up before Mr P commented.

Is the question of Derry's IFA membership holding things up down at the FAI? Rumour has it that there are a few obstacles in the way of derrys membership being approved ;-)

Mr_Parker

04/03/2010, 2:57 PM

I have to say Mr Parker really is infatuated with us.

It was a Linfield fan (and mod) that brought it up before Mr P commented.

Correct Mr A. I was was only trying to guess what the Linfield supporter was elluding to. Maybe Candystripe to clear it up and confirm that all is rosey.

MariborKev

04/03/2010, 9:08 PM

Is the game going ahead Mr P :)

garyderry

04/03/2010, 9:55 PM

Is the game going ahead Mr P :)

naw Kev, he is taking our ball home and not letting us play :p

Mr_Parker

04/03/2010, 10:43 PM

Is the game going ahead Mr P :)

Was there a doubt? I was't aware of one. But since you are here, can you confirm that the Linfield fan was wrong?

MariborKev

04/03/2010, 10:59 PM

Dunno either way Mr P.

Game is on tells me all systems are go.

A N Mouse

05/03/2010, 11:54 AM

Was there a doubt? I was't aware of one. But since you are here, can you confirm that the Linfield fan was wrong?

Can you confirm that, last night in the pub, my mate was wrong?