The Derry City thread - Derry sign first four players

[twoenz]

What's the potential revenue available via prize money though?

[cheifo]

Get on with it dammit, my schadenfreude is wearing off.

:D:D By Nine O Clock it will have evolved into tearful sympathy.

[micls]

They'd want to hurry up because Delaney is due down here for out Hall of fame at 8;.

[jebus]

The tags for this thread :D:D

[galwayjames]

What's the potential revenue available via prize money though?

To win the league you get €500,000 plus whatever you get competing in the Champions League, not sure about the rest but a significant drop I would imagine.

[BohDiddley]

They said in the Independent yesterday that Pats spent €2.25 million on wages last year, which is even more staggering when Bohs, who are supposedly in very bad financial trouble, only spent €1.8 million in comparison.

How refreshing. A rare, perhaps even unique, outbreak of context on foot.ie.

[galwayjames]

The tags for this thread :D:D

I wonder who's adding them but there's a new one every time I open the page!

[thischarmingman]

This is painful stuff.

[thischarmingman]

I wonder who's adding them but there's a new one every time I open the page!

I've added a couple over the last couple of days, but there have been new one's today alright!

[galwayjames]

How refreshing. A rare, perhaps even unique, outbreak of context on foot.ie.

In fairness Bohs have done exceptionally well to control the finances, especially after going out of the Champions League the way they did

[jebus]

This is painful stuff.

Fitting end to a LoI season

[galwayjames]

I've added a couple over the last couple of days, but there have been new one's today alright!

best one is "take yer oil!". pretty savage tags :D

[Longfordian]

I've added a couple over the last couple of days, but there have been new one's today alright!

I added one today, don't know who else did.

[SMorgan]

Lads, stay focused. Is Derry City a First Division club or not?

[galwayjames]

Lads, stay focused. Is Derry City a First Division club or not?

Not yet

[jebus]

I'm of the opinion that if they are taking so long they won't relegate Derry

That said having a look at the league table they will most likely take the easy option of deducting Derry 20 points so that they take Galway's playoff place against Drogheda, which they should win, which would be the preferred FAI outcome I feel

[galwayjames]

That said having a look at the league table they will most likely take the easy option of deducting Derry 20 points so that they take Galway's playoff place against Drogheda

It'd be one pretty crap play-off then, with all respect to Drogheda there could only be one winner

[Longfordian]

Don't know, it was very widely leaked that they were going to be relegated. I'd say that came from the top, Tony O'Donoghue for one would have been on to Delaney and or Gavin.

[dancinpants]

I'm of the opinion that if they are taking so long they won't relegate Derry

That said having a look at the league table they will most likely take the easy option of deducting Derry 20 points so that they take Galway's playoff place against Drogheda, which they should win, which would be the preferred FAI outcome I feel

Doubt that. We are in no postion to get a Premier Licence. Not relegating us is delaying whats inevitably going to happen.

[WoodquayBoy]

I'm of the opinion that if they are taking so long they won't relegate Derry

That said having a look at the league table they will most likely take the easy option of deducting Derry 20 points so that they take Galway's playoff place against Drogheda, which they should win, which would be the preferred FAI outcome I feel
Like you, the longer it goes on, the more I feel Derry won't be demoted. That 20pts deduction thing sounds interesting . . . .

[galwayjames]

While we wait in boredom and depression, at least someone has updated the tags:

"the never ending wait"

The most truthful tag I've ever read

[jebus]

It'd be one pretty crap play-off then, with all respect to Drogheda there could only be one winner

Which is why I think that's the way the FAI will go

They get to pretend that they've punished Derry whilst keeping the club in the Premier League

It's the FAI after all

[galwayjames]

Which is why I think that's the way the FAI will go

They get to pretend that they've punished Derry whilst keeping the club in the Premier League

It's the FAI after all

In fairness I don't know what use a part time or amateur Derry could add to the league, I think the best option is give them a year in the First Division, they'll most likely be promoted and they can go back full time on sustainable wages.

[OneForTheFuture]

I'm of the opinion that if they are taking so long they won't relegate Derry

That said having a look at the league table they will most likely take the easy option of deducting Derry 20 points so that they take Galway's playoff place against Drogheda, which they should win, which would be the preferred FAI outcome I feel

That's a bit hard on Bray!

[Longfordian]

According to the Derry fans on here it's most likely the current entity won't be in a position to start the season no matter what division they're supposed to be in.

[WoodquayBoy]

Interesting debate on RTERadio1 - Gabriel Egan Emmet Malone and former GUFC chairman and freelance journalist, John Fallon

[LeixlipRed]

In fairness I don't know what use a part time or amateur Derry could add to the league, I think the best option is give them a year in the First Division, they'll most likely be promoted and they can go back full time on sustainable wages.

Just like we came right back up? And if Derry were in the 1st Division they'd most definitely be part time!

[galwayjames]

Interesting debate on RTERadio1 - Gabriel Egan Emmet Malone and former GUFC chairman and freelance journalist, John Fallon

What's it about?

[jebus]

In fairness I don't know what use a part time or amateur Derry could add to the league, I think the best option is give them a year in the First Division, they'll most likely be promoted and they can go back full time on sustainable wages.

Better attendances, seen as a bigger club that either Drogheda or Bray, arfe two of the main perks when it comes to the FAI

I'm not at all advocating this solution either, just think the FAI will go down this road as it's a cop out that most would live with

I'd honestly take on board Keeley's suggestion from during the week that the two divisions be joined together for the next three seasons with no relegation whilst all the clubs try and get their houses in order. Those that do can be invited to whatever new structure the FAI will put in place, those that can't are told to get out

[Sumac]

what's it about?

nama:)

[galwayjames]

Just like we came right back up? And if Derry were in the 1st Division they'd most definitely be part time!

Obviously they'd be part time, but comparing them to Shels is wrong. Derry have a much bigger fanbase, attendances and general interest and I'm sure teams would find the Brandywell very intimidating, which couldn't be said for Tolka Park, plus Shels were relagated in January, Derry have two months more to find players, a new manager etc...

[LeixlipRed]

Yes, you could see their massive fanbase over the last few months. Don't be so naive. The bandwagoners are gone now. Derry will get a similar crowd to us next year in the 1st Division.

[WoodquayBoy]

Emmet Malone saying amateur/part-time NOT the way to go or back to the bad old days. Like these days are so good. He is advocating an All Ireland league.
Fallon saying clubs need to stop focusing on money and put grassroots and structures in place. Not aware of the work he did in his years as chairman putting in place underage structures and sorting out getting our own training ground.
He wants a 16-team league, return to Winter football and makes one good point that unless there is big TV coverage, or a union paying contracts (like IRFU) then there is no hope for a full time league

[galwayjames]

Emmet Malone saying amateur/part-time NOT the way to go or back to the bad old days. Like these days are so good. He is advocating an All Ireland league.
Fallon saying clubs need to stop focusing on money and put grassroots and structures in place. Not aware of the work he did in his years as chairman putting in place underage structures and sorting out getting our own training ground.
He wants a 16-team league, return to Winter football and makes one good point that unless there is big TV coverage, or a union paying contracts (like IRFU) then there is no hope for a full time league

Thanks for that, it was very interesting.

[galwayjames]

Yes, you could see their massive fanbase over the last few months. Don't be so naive. The bandwagoners are gone now. Derry will get a similar crowd to us next year in the 1st Division.

Derry are the most loyal fans in the league, something that could never be said about Shels

[LeixlipRed]

Have a look at our attendances since we were relegated, an average of just under 900 for 2007, and over 900 for the two years since. That would suggest a huge amount of loyalty. You haven't a breeze what you're on about. Derry's fans have deserted them the last few months. Look at the admissions from some of their fans on here about only season ticket holders attending recently.

[thischarmingman]

<Completely unofficial>
Rumours that relegation to First Division and 10 point penalty is the outcome.
</completely unofficial>

That's from a text sent to someone on the chat room from their source. Apparently.

[Schumi]

Derry are the most loyal fans in the league, something that could never be said about Shels

That's not fair. Shels' attendances have held up well since they were relegated. If anything, they have a lack of bandwagon fans.

[galwayjames]

Have a look at our attendances since we were relegated, an average of just under 900 for 2007, and over 900 for the two years since. That would suggest a huge amount of loyalty. You haven't a breeze what you're on about. Derry's fans have deserted them the last few months. Look at the admissions from some of their fans on here about only season ticket holders attending recently.

To be honest I'm digging myself into a hole I don't give two kicks about, so fair enough, Shels have a relatively large & loyal support, have a wonderful manager and group of players and I'd love to see them back in the Premier

[Jofspring]

Yes, you could see their massive fanbase over the last few months. Don't be so naive. The bandwagoners are gone now. Derry will get a similar crowd to us next year in the 1st Division.

Agree with this. Derry will suffer the same fate as any other club that goes down to the first division. A drop in attendance. Maybe not at first but if Derry aren't winning week in week out in the first division it wouldn't be long before a lot of fans disappear. Look at Shamrock Rovers and Shelbourne for example. Shams can sell out 6,000 seats now but when they were relegated i'd say 600 to 1,000 would be the very maximum attendance and the sunshine Shels fans only seem to pop up when it looks like they might win the league. Most Irish fans are the same in every sport sadly.

[LeixlipRed]

That's not fair. Shels' attendances have held up well since they were relegated. If anything, they have a lack of bandwagon fans.

Ignore him. He hasn't a breeze. Galway's attendances this year are only marginally better than ours as well so I'm not sure why he's getting so aggravated.

[higgins]

It did Shels and Shamrock Rovers the world of good, they learned good lessons down here and its better to travel to ****S and the Flansiro than have no games at all.

Shels didn't learn their lesson from going into the First Division..
The then owner of shels that ran up millions in debts died. Regardless of the division the structure of the club was going to change.

If Ollie was in charge we'd still be overspending in the first division and probably not exist today.

It's wrong to relate the two.

[LeixlipRed]

Agree with this. Derry will suffer the same fate as any other club that goes down to the first division. A drop in attendance. Maybe not at first but if Derry aren't winning week in week out in the first division it wouldn't be long before a lot of fans disappear. Look at Shamrock Rovers and Shelbourne for example. Shams can sell out 6,000 seats now but when they were relegated i'd say 600 to 1,000 would be the very maximum attendance and the sunshine Shels fans only seem to pop up when it looks like they might win the league. Most Irish fans are the same in every sport sadly.

In fairness we don't get a massive surge of fans for big games. I'd expect a big crowd in Tolka for the playoff but nothing more than 2000.

[galwayjames]

Ignore him. He hasn't a breeze. Galway's attendances this year are only marginally better than ours as well so I'm not sure why he's getting so aggravated.

The point I was making was there's no comparison between Shels and Derry. There's no point in talking about it since we don't know where Derry will end up.

[Jofspring]

In fairness we don't get a massive surge of fans for big games. I'd expect a big crowd in Tolka for the playoff but nothing more than 2000.

I know that but its still an nice increase and a few Shels fans have told me themselves it can be annoying that none of these people are around all year but arrive out for the glory.

[Dodge]

Was reading in the paper yesterday that between Cork, Derry, Pats and Drogs in 2008, wages totalling the guts of 9 million euros between them. Complete insanity.

Their figure for Pats was way, way, way off.

[LeixlipRed]

The point I was making was there's no comparison between Shels and Derry. There's no point in talking about it since we don't know where Derry will end up.

There are numerous comparisons. Isn't that why we're all posting in this thread??

[BonnieShels]

I know that but its still an nice increase and a few Shels fans have told me themselves it can be annoying that none of these people are around all year but arrive out for the glory.


Like what happened at the last game of last season against Limerick!

TBH honest, at the moment I don't think I and most Shels' fans really give a crap when the fans come once they do. I'd say the same goes for most clubs.

[galwayjames]

There are numerous comparisons. Isn't that why we're all posting in this thread??

I honestly don't know why you're so worked up on me dismissing the comparison between Shels and Derry. I'm posting here to get the latest news on Derry, not to have a meaningless argument about comparing two League of Ireland clubs.

[SkStu]

yes, id like to leave this to Derry - not what happened years ago ar what might happen next.

Anyone know what the delay is?