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marinobohs

07/12/2009, 1:41 PM

Two questions:

1. Has the trading name 'Derry City FC' been transferred or sold to the new company yet?
2. If not, under what name have the 'new-Derry City' applied for a First Division licence?

Unfortunately this is yet another example of the FAI making things up as they go along. while well intentioned (nobody wants to see Derry ouside football) the continuing failure to adhere to thier own rules has led to a hotch potch of half rules/regulations that lead to the current chaotic situation. I am half waiting for the FAI to say "we are going easy on Derry this time but if it happens again................."

OneRedArmy

07/12/2009, 1:59 PM

To me the new Derry City should either be in the A-league (because they're new) or else in D1 with a points deduction (because they're not really new and have been in administration).That wasn't the point I responded to.

You intimated Derry had taken the easy way out and that if given the chance other clubs would follow suit. I think thats nonsense, as the personal consequences can be immense.

Your point about the FAI is a separate issue and I'm not going to defend their handling of the affair. I firmly believed that just like with Limerick and some other clubs, the FAI knew the end game they wanted and fitted the rules around achieving that.

osarusan

07/12/2009, 2:02 PM

I firmly believed that just like with Limerick and some other clubs, the FAI knew the end game they wanted and fitted the rules around achieving that.
Spot on. I'd imagine that the rule book isn't detailed enough that some fudgey areas can't be found.

That said, I'm truly wondering how Derry will manage to both play in Div 1 and avoid a points deduction.

That will have to be some top class fudge.

Sam_Heggy

07/12/2009, 2:05 PM

It's claimed on the Muckers forum that the Dungannon Debt is now settled

http://www.derrycitychat.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=4297&view=unread#unread

tiktok

07/12/2009, 2:09 PM

Its the same Rovers, Drogs and Cork that came through the examinership process.

Well actually, No, it's not because in all those cases, the holding company which owned the club emerged successfully from Examinership. CCIFL , which was in examinership in 2008 have been the holding company for CCFC since the Brian Lennox era. The holding company of Derry City is not being taken through examinership by any group, a separate new entity is being established.

Does the new company mean that we are a new club? Especially if the trading name Derry City FC is transferred/sold to the new company?

Thats the bit I can't get my head around.

The existing FAI contract [which is torn up anyway] and membership can only be transferred to a new entity if that entity fully absorbs all the debts of the previous owning entity. If New/Cherry/Continuity DCFC was able to absorb the debts, there'd have been no need to wind up the old company.

You can certainly buy the trading name and continue as the old club and good luck to you, but from the perspective of licencing, participation agreements, membership of the FAI, contracts with the association you are a new club and Prize money from the previous entity, European places, Setanta Cup places etc., etc., cannot be carried on.

Avoiding a situation where clubs could spend beyond their means, wind it up and start again as a new holding company is exactly why licencing was established.

Mr_Parker

07/12/2009, 2:27 PM

And Derry complied with them at the time. The issue is whether they get pulled half way through, and I can't see that happening. Its not the FAI's decision at this point.

"They" is not the "Derry City FC Ltd" who want to step into their shoes.

MariborKev

07/12/2009, 6:45 PM

I would assume the exact same right Rovers, Cork and Drogs have. The football club still exists.

My understanding is that DCFC is still an entitly, but the holding company has been would up and replaced.

Care to point me to where Wellvan has been wound up?

Buile Shuibhne

07/12/2009, 7:32 PM

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/irish/8400601.stm?

Mr A

07/12/2009, 7:44 PM

Seems daft on Dungannon's part to settle for less than full payment, surely they knew that DCFC needed the debt settled to get a D1 license?

refjohn

08/12/2009, 1:10 PM

Seems daft on Dungannon's part to settle for less than full payment, surely they knew that DCFC needed the debt settled to get a D1 license?

And Dungannon also knew no license for DCFC meant no money at all.....

Derry not out of woods yet - Linfield and Cliftonville AT LEAST to settle with yet.

Steve Bruce

08/12/2009, 3:31 PM

And Dungannon also knew no license for DCFC meant no money at all.....

Derry not out of woods yet - Linfield and Cliftonville AT LEAST to settle with yet.

Surely the debt owed to Linfield is a different kettle of fish all together. It's not like its an unpaid bill.

It was pure theft. They sold tickets on our behalf to DCFC supporters and then instead of giving the money straight to Linfield they decided to stick it in their own pockets. It was never DCFCs money in the first place

Could you imagine if I went around the grounds collecting for Charity and went 'f**k it, I've a few debts, I'll use this money to pay it off'. It is the same principle, it's not my money and it's theft.

I hope people don't take this personally, because I'm not for a second blaming any supporters of DCFC, they cannot help that Parasites got controll of their club and run it into the ground whilst sullying the name of Derry City.

A N Mouse

08/12/2009, 4:23 PM

Surely the debt owed to Linfield is a different kettle of fish all together. It's not like its an unpaid bill.

It was pure theft. They sold tickets on our behalf to DCFC supporters and then instead of giving the money straight to Linfield they decided to stick it in their own pockets. It was never DCFCs money in the first place

Could you imagine if I went around the grounds collecting for Charity and went 'f**k it, I've a few debts, I'll use this money to pay it off'. It is the same principle, it's not my money and it's theft.

I hope people don't take this personally, because I'm not for a second blaming any supporters of DCFC, they cannot help that Parasites got controll of their club and run it into the ground whilst sullying the name of Derry City.

Um...

Surely it's exactly like an unpaid bill.

I stand to be corrected but in your example surely it would depend on how you collected the money.

If you used an open bucket, and kept the money for yourself then you've gained that money fraudulently.

If it was a locked tin, then you've stolen it and damaged property.

If you 'borrowed' it with the intention of paying it back... :o

OneRedArmy

08/12/2009, 4:28 PM

Surely the debt owed to Linfield is a different kettle of fish all together. It's not like its an unpaid bill.

It was pure theft. They sold tickets on our behalf to DCFC supporters and then instead of giving the money straight to Linfield they decided to stick it in their own pockets. It was never DCFCs money in the first place

Could you imagine if I went around the grounds collecting for Charity and went 'f**k it, I've a few debts, I'll use this money to pay it off'. It is the same principle, it's not my money and it's theft.

I hope people don't take this personally, because I'm not for a second blaming any supporters of DCFC, they cannot help that Parasites got controll of their club and run it into the ground whilst sullying the name of Derry City.
No, its a debt, just like all the other unsecured debts (albeit the "footballing" debts seems to have gotten some bizarre semi-preferred status which certaintly wouldn't stand up in court).

Whether the directors were trading wrecklessly, is, IMO, a very valid question to ask.

refjohn

08/12/2009, 5:37 PM

Surely the debt owed to Linfield is a different kettle of fish all together. It's not like its an unpaid bill.

It was pure theft.

I agree 100% on that - they had cash in their hand which I was personally told on the Friday was to be handed to Linfield on Saturday - hence the reason no tickets were to be on sale on the Saturday morning. I even posted on your Forum my disgust at being unable to get a ticket given then only had to pack up at 1pm or 2pm for a 5pm kickoff in Belfast and could still hand over the money.

In hind sight I would be tempted to believe that when Derry made a last minute decision to sell tickets on the Saturday it wasnt to facilitate fans and get Linfield extra revenue....

At least Linfield have a chance to get their own back and withhold monies for the return leg (assuming the stories about DCFC in one guise or another still being in Setanta are true) - however any settlement along those lines would probably see it being based on Linfield getting (a) more tickets than they have had for previous ties and (b) a guarantee on the money being paid if a shortfall if your fans vote with their feet and dont attend (I wouldnt blame them for many reason)

Derry City FC Limited need Linfield (and Cliftonville) to agree to something - partial payment, payment plan, tickets in lieu of payment depending on circumstance if their is any chance of us having a team to support next season.

I think the amount Dungannon were offered was too much for a small club to sniff at and considerably more than if Derry don't get a license and go to the walls in every way. What could the Dungannon board do - the alleged amounts will go a long way in covering their expenses. Linfield and Cliftonville are seemingly owed less and could gamble on all or nothing......

The saga on Foyleside continues..... At least the Derry Journal worth waiting for these days to see the latest twist in the soap opera.

dcfcsteve

09/12/2009, 12:41 AM

The point is that most people (including Derry fans?) are too sure if "they" are the same Derry as now. tiktok certainly doesn't think so.

I can assure you that "most" City fans see no difference between the club new and old. It's all DCFC. Different Directors and trading entities, same club.

And the Setanta was an invitational competition. It's up to Setanta whether to leave us in it or not.

There's a lot more to a club than just its directors. And from a club point of view what I said was entirely accurate. Also I think a lot more people than just the directors knew exactly what was going on.

Please outline the horde of people beyond the Directors who you think knew what was going on ?

Certainly this wasn't intended, but DCFC seem to be more than landing on their feet with the former board (albeit deservedly) being the patsys.

Being kicked out of the league/dropped a division at best ; having all our players released as free agents ; having our reputation torn to shreds both locally and nationally ; still not even knowing if we'll be allowed to play next season. Yip - really landed on our feet there..... :rolleyes:

Mod edit - use the multi-post, FFS.

And trolling removed.

Mr A

09/12/2009, 8:57 AM

Small price to pay for walking away from that amount of debt Steve. And all indications are that you'll be allowed to play next season, and not even at the bottom of the senior pyramid.

I'd take your arm off for a similar deal if it got rid of Harps debts.

If some of your fans had a fair idea what was going on, why would anyone believe that a lot more people round the club didn't know as well. Certainly Kenny and the players, even if they're all acting innocent now. Ever since the last set of Wellvan accounts a lot of people have been very suspicious.

Sam_Heggy

09/12/2009, 9:04 AM

In fairness, the lure of roundabouts and traffic lights would be enough alone to tempt most banjo players out of Ballybofey...

Ah but, it didn't work.
Besides, we Donegal folk don't need traffic lights to pick up women we do things the old fashioned and legal way, sorry about bringing the law into it, I know that's a forbidden word up about the Randywell.
As for Roundabouts, we don't need them, we just let the biggest tractors go first and drive over the top of Nordy reg cars in the way. ;)

cheech

09/12/2009, 10:43 AM

dcfcsteve

09/12/2009, 4:31 PM

Hope you didn't break anything when you fell off your high-horse ldcfcsteve..

You have spent years on this forum pontificating about how Shels, Bohs, Rovers, Cork etc conduct their business. Now, when your own club has been shown up to the be the biggest liars and cheats of them all, you make childish remarks about Ballybofey.

If you could please answer me this: (in less than 1,000 words if possible)

Do you think Derry City, trading under the new entity, should be allowed to 'continue' playing in the Setanta Cup? If so, why?

Good to see that sense of humour by-pass you had some time ago is still delivering the goods..... :o

Do I think City should continue in Setanta ? Yes, for three reasons.

One - I'm a city fan, so obviously not objective on the issue. Hey - that's football.

Secondly - it's an invitational tournament, so the organisers could invite Osama Bin Laden's Select XI to participate if they wanted. I'm not sure what part of it being an invitational tournament you managed to miss ? :confused:

Finally - the fact that the competition is already half way through means it would be logistically messy to chop a team out at this stage.

So go bore Setanta with your question. Whatever they decide to do re City's place in the tournament is their decision, and it'll be fine by me either way.

Lots of love,

Sx

osarusan

09/12/2009, 6:25 PM

I can assure you that "most" City fans see no difference between the club new and old. It's all DCFC. Different Directors and trading entities, same club.

I appreciate how the fans feel, as it was the same with Limerick 37. But the point is that Limerick 37 was a new club. And if tiktok is correct when he says this:

The existing FAI contract [which is torn up anyway] and membership can only be transferred to a new entity if that entity fully absorbs all the debts of the previous owning entity. If New/Cherry/Continuity DCFC was able to absorb the debts, there'd have been no need to wind up the old company.

You can certainly buy the trading name and continue as the old club and good luck to you, but from the perspective of licencing, participation agreements, membership of the FAI, contracts with the association you are a new club and Prize money from the previous entity, European places, Setanta Cup places etc., etc., cannot be carried on.
It leads me to believe that Derry City FC are a new club, as they haven't absorbed the debt of the previous entity. This makes me wonder how they will be able to avoid starting in the A-Championship.

micls

09/12/2009, 6:51 PM

It leads me to believe that Derry City FC are a new club, as they haven't absorbed the debt of the previous entity. This makes me wonder how they will be able to avoid starting in the A-Championship.

A large serving of fudge.

Tiktok is spot on in what he's said.

Mr_Parker

09/12/2009, 7:53 PM

One - I'm a city fan, so obviously not objective on the issue. Hey - that's football.
Which City? :)

Secondly - it's an invitational tournament, so the organisers could invite Osama Bin Laden's Select XI to participate if they wanted. I'm not sure what part of it being an invitational tournament you managed to miss ?

Yes the invites were sent out last season with deadlines to agree and sign the participation agreement. That date has passed. Also the participation agreement is conditional on FAI stipulations being complied with :)

Finally - the fact that the competition is already half way through means it would be logistically messy to chop a team out at this stage.

Sx

Not really and could be easily overcome with an addtional play off game incorporated. :)

OneRedArmy

09/12/2009, 8:27 PM

I'd take your arm off for a similar deal if it got rid of Harps debts.Are you a harps director? I'm not a Wellvan director and neither was Steve, so really fans views and opinions are frankly irrelevant in terms of deciding this course of action.

You seem to be repeatedly ignoring and downplaying the consequences of the circumstances involving Wellvan going into adminstration and presumably in due course liquidation.

We are now known as cheats throughout the League. Having attended a Supporters Trust meeting on Sunday night the common theme amongst almost all the fans who spoke and who I spoke to after was one of disgust at what had gone on at the club. There was no sense of us having played it clever or indeed gotten away with anything. The clubs reputation is ruined and will take years to rebuild.

As for the personal implications for the directors, as I have mentioned repeatedly these could well be very severe and extend into their other business interests and personal lives. I'm not saying this because I have sympathy for them, I don't. Its relevant because you keep portraying what we're going through as some kind of carefully orchestrated plan where everybody related to DCFC wins.

So in terms of your "we've landed on our feet and every club would jump at the opportunity we got" spiel, its pretty far from the truth.

cheech

09/12/2009, 8:32 PM

Are you a harps director? I'm not a Wellvan director and neither was Steve, so really fans views and opinions are frankly irrelevant in terms of deciding this course of action.

You seem to be repeatedly ignoring and downplaying the consequences of the circumstances involving Wellvan going into adminstration and presumably in due course liquidation.

We are now known as cheats throughout the League. Having attended a Supporters Trust meeting on Sunday night the common theme amongst almost all the fans who spoke and who I spoke to after was one of disgust at what had gone on at the club. There was no sense of us having played it clever or indeed gotten away with anything. The clubs reputation is ruined and will take years to rebuild.

As for the personal implications for the directors, as I have mentioned repeatedly these could well be very severe and extend into their other business interests and personal lives. I'm not saying this because I have sympathy for them, I don't. Its relevant because you keep portraying what we're going through as some kind of carefully orchestrated plan where everybody related to DCFC wins.

So in terms of your "we've landed on our feet and every club would jump at the opportunity we got" spiel, its pretty far from the truth.

If the figure of 12K a week re: wages is anywhere near the truth then you will have approx 4 times the average budget of clubs in the First Division. Seems sweet enough to me. Especially when you factor in the fact that anywhere between 500K and 1 million sterling has been airbrushed from your history.

OneRedArmy

09/12/2009, 8:36 PM

If the figure of 12K a week re: wages is anywhere near the truth then you will have approx 4 times the average budget of clubs in the First Division. Seems sweet enough to me. Especially when you factor in the fact that anywhere between 500K and 1 million sterling has been airbrushed from your history.No idea where that figure came from, let me guess, a poster on an internet forum?

Mr A

09/12/2009, 8:39 PM

No, I'm not a Harps director.

And I don't think Derry have executed a cunning plan. I just think that being leapfrogged over the A division and escaping a points deduction in this case is a more favourable outcome than could be reasonably expected in the circumstances. And staying in the Setanta would be the cherry on the cake. My argument here is that the FAI do not appear to be handling this particularly well, not with what Derry are doing.

Also, the personal guarantees etc need not happen (although they usually do when people are ballsing up a club). You could set up some sacrificial lambs to whom being barred from directorships etc wouldn't matter too much and work it that way if a club did decide to go down that path and knew that you could start again one division down.

cheech

09/12/2009, 8:45 PM

Good to see that sense of humour by-pass you had some time ago is still delivering the goods..... :o

Do I think City should continue in Setanta ? Yes, for three reasons.

One - I'm a city fan, so obviously not objective on the issue. Hey - that's football.

Secondly - it's an invitational tournament, so the organisers could invite Osama Bin Laden's Select XI to participate if they wanted. I'm not sure what part of it being an invitational tournament you managed to miss ? :confused:

Finally - the fact that the competition is already half way through means it would be logistically messy to chop a team out at this stage.

So go bore Setanta with your question. Whatever they decide to do re City's place in the tournament is their decision, and it'll be fine by me either way.

Lots of love,

Sx

Normally I don't mind a debate with you but I'm not going to bother here as you are obviously scrapping the bottom of the barrel with both your credibility and attempts at wit. I find it mildly surprising that such a connoisseur of the game can't be objective although the likes of Maribor Kev and ORA can.

Without wanting to get sidetracked regarding an invitational tournament, this 'Derry City' is a different club. If the competition has a fibre of integrity, this would never be allowed to happen.

It will also be interesting to see if the 'old' Derry City's points will be awarded to the 'new' Derry City's points.

cheech

09/12/2009, 8:46 PM

No idea where that figure came from, let me guess, a poster on an internet forum?

Your new chairman said that the playing budget would be 50% of last years budget.

If the figures from last year are to be believed (yeah yeah I know) the playing budget was �25,000.

Cosmo

09/12/2009, 8:58 PM

Without wanting to get sidetracked regarding an invitational tournament, this 'Derry City' is a different club. If the competition has a fibre of integrity, this would never be allowed to happen.

Wouldve presumed that was the case and theres no way the setanta cup could continue on with this new club from derry just taking over from where the other club from derry left

Setanta cups been going down hill the last year or two imo - if they allow the new club from derry carrying on in this seasons competition from where the other one left, that would be the end of it having any sort of integrity alright.

shantykelly

09/12/2009, 9:36 PM

Your new chairman said that the playing budget would be 50% of last years budget.

If the figures from last year are to be believed (yeah yeah I know) the playing budget was �25,000.

at a meeting of the supporters trust on sunday past, attended by the majority of the board of directors of the new holding company, philip o'doherty stated quite openly that next years playing budget would be significantly lower than this years, less than 50%. and that is only if we get into the league. the application is in, but its not a done deal.

as for the setanta cup. would i rather play in it now? no, not really, but until we're kicked out of it by the organisers, we'll not say no. and folks, bear in mind here that its the fai that allowing us to apply for a place in the first division. when the news broke regarding all this thisness, most derry fans would gladly have settled for the A League and a chance to rebuild. we're being offered more than we expected, and truth be told have a right to get, but which fan of his or her club wouldnt jump at the chance of improving their position, especially when we have so much rebuilding to do. i can just imagine it now:

fai - here derry, take this place in the first division
dcfc - ah, no thanks there. i think i'll just keep flagellating myself in the corner here if its all the same to you.

are we happy at the way things have been done? no
are we going to take every opportunity to save our club and get it into the best position possible in the circumstances? yes
are there any football fans here who wouldn't take the same for their club if in similar straits? honestly? (apart from ucd lads).

micls

09/12/2009, 9:41 PM

So in terms of your "we've landed on our feet and every club would jump at the opportunity we got" spiel, its pretty far from the truth.

Maybe for ye, since it all happened quite quickly. But I can guarantee 99% of fanas down here would jump at the chance to be in ye're position. Ye may not realise it but it could have been a lot worse and ye are lucky.

That said, none of the fudging is the fans or even new directors fault. As said above no one would say no. The FAi certainly have questions to answer though

srfc1928

09/12/2009, 9:52 PM

If the figure of 12K a week re: wages is anywhere near the truth then you will have approx 4 times the average budget of clubs in the First Division. Seems sweet enough to me. Especially when you factor in the fact that anywhere between 500K and 1 million sterling has been airbrushed from your history.
Most Premier Division clubs wont have a budget near that figure next season.

Doomofman

09/12/2009, 10:03 PM

Most Premier Division clubs wont have a budget near that figure next season.

I think you underestimate just how badly some of the clubs are run...

cheech

09/12/2009, 10:13 PM

at a meeting of the supporters trust on sunday past, attended by the majority of the board of directors of the new holding company, philip o'doherty stated quite openly that next years playing budget would be significantly lower than this years, less than 50%. and that is only if we get into the league. the application is in, but its not a done deal.

as for the setanta cup. would i rather play in it now? no, not really, but until we're kicked out of it by the organisers, we'll not say no. and folks, bear in mind here that its the fai that allowing us to apply for a place in the first division. when the news broke regarding all this thisness, most derry fans would gladly have settled for the A League and a chance to rebuild. we're being offered more than we expected, and truth be told have a right to get, but which fan of his or her club wouldnt jump at the chance of improving their position, especially when we have so much rebuilding to do. i can just imagine it now:

fai - here derry, take this place in the first division
dcfc - ah, no thanks there. i think i'll just keep flagellating myself in the corner here if its all the same to you.

are we happy at the way things have been done? no
are we going to take every opportunity to save our club and get it into the best position possible in the circumstances? yes
are there any football fans here who wouldn't take the same for their club if in similar straits? honestly? (apart from ucd lads).

Good post and extra points for flagellating! Honestly, I'm not having a go at the Derry fans (except Sanctimonious Steve) ;)

If it were us, of course I would want the same thing. But the fact is that fans of other clubs will be up in arms as in most people's eyes you have gotten off very lightly. A place in the Setanta Cup would be the last boot up the hole for the rest of us.

shantykelly

09/12/2009, 10:24 PM

well, we can't punish ourselves.

as for the former board - ORA is 100% right, there are serious consequences for their actions. one being that if wellvan is liquidated, they cant hold company directorships for three years. bit of a problem for some of those guys who run their own businesses.

this situation isnt finished yet, not by a long shot. i expect it rival that old show 'sunset beach' by the time its done.

corkharps

09/12/2009, 10:39 PM

[QUOTE=shantykelly;1291280

as for the former board - ORA is 100% right, there are serious consequences for their actions. one being that if wellvan is liquidated, they cant hold company directorships for three years. bit of a problem for some of those guys who run their own businesses.

[/QUOTE]

They cheated and broke the law! What do you expect?

osarusan

09/12/2009, 10:54 PM

They cheated and broke the law! What do you expect?
Read the thread.

The point being made is that whether or not the team ending up debt free in the first division (if that is what eventually happens) constitutes "getting off lightly", the directors are obviously not getting off lightly. Nobody is trying to make them out as victims here.

OneRedArmy

09/12/2009, 10:59 PM

They cheated and broke the law! What do you expect?People not to claim it was all a cunning plan?

Or that our wage bill will be 12k a week for that matter.

corkharps

09/12/2009, 11:23 PM

Read the thread.

The point being made is that whether or not the team ending up debt free in the first division (if that is what eventually happens) constitutes "getting off lightly", the directors are obviously not getting off lightly. Nobody is trying to make them out as victims here.

So they hold their heads in shame for a few weeks and then move on? I'd call that getting off lightly,there's people in prison for doing less!
Its just SO soul destroying when Harps are scraping to pay back EVERY cent off their debts, and shinny new Derry City(under the guidance of the same manager that signed last years players for half off what they were really getting!) are trying to poach their players, offering big wages!
I personally think Kenny should get a ban. There is NO WAY that he didn't know what was going on.

dcfcsteve

09/12/2009, 11:32 PM

Good post and extra points for flagellating! Honestly, I'm not having a go at the Derry fans (except Sanctimonious Steve) ;)

You don't have a go Cheech - just a handbag..... ;)

MariborKev

09/12/2009, 11:35 PM

If the figure of 12K a week re: wages is anywhere near the truth

It's not.

Candystripe

10/12/2009, 3:49 AM

It's not.

As Mkev just posted "it's not", the latest word is that the players budget will be closer to �4,000 a week.

With over half the squad made up from our U21 team or other local players currently playing in the Irish league.

Hopefully that's one less brush to beat us Derry fans with.

Also, like ShantyKelly said....what other L.O.I. fan would turn down the chance to play in the 1st division when a few weeks ago we thought that we would be playing in our local sunday afternoon league.

To also get the chance to raise much needed funds from our game with Linfield is something else that is hard to say no too.

BTW We will be starting the season at least �100K down as the new board have agreed to give "free season tickets" to the 300 or so who bought season tickets from the previous board plus paid Dungannon swifts and some other debts to try and save some face for our club after the farce that was bestowed on us fans. :o

tiktok

10/12/2009, 6:29 AM

bear in mind here that its the fai that allowing us to apply for a place in the first division. when the news broke regarding all this thisness, most derry fans would gladly have settled for the A League and a chance to rebuild. we're being offered more than we expected, and truth be told have a right to get, but which fan of his or her club wouldnt jump at the chance of improving their position, especially when we have so much rebuilding to do. i can just imagine it now:

fai - here derry, take this place in the first division
dcfc - ah, no thanks there. i think i'll just keep flagellating myself in the corner here if its all the same to you.

are we happy at the way things have been done? no
are we going to take every opportunity to save our club and get it into the best position possible in the circumstances? yes
are there any football fans here who wouldn't take the same for their club if in similar straits? honestly? (apart from ucd lads).

Great Post.

As I've said previously in this thread, when the inevitable happens in Cork, we'll be pointing to the precedents being set now with Derry City. Fudge or not, supporters are going to try to do what's best for their club, it's up to the FAI to enforce their own rules, it's just really disappointing that after all the soundings from Abbotstown, nothing has changed really.

osarusan

10/12/2009, 9:47 AM

As I've said previously in this thread, when the inevitable happens in Cork, we'll be pointing to the precedents being set now with Derry City. Fudge or not, supporters are going to try to do what's best for their club, it's up to the FAI to enforce their own rules, it's just really disappointing that after all the soundings from Abbotstown, nothing has changed really.

This is true, because I got the impression from both Cork and Derry fans that, given the trouble they were in, they'd have been relatively happy to end up in the A-Championship.

The FAI could have used the Derry case to set what I think is a good precedent for the future (at least 2 years out of top flight football) without much resistance from the clubs affected, but seemingly have failed to do so.

That said, how confident are Derry fans that they'll be plaing in Div. 1 next season? Could things change yet?

pineapple stu

10/12/2009, 10:04 AM

dcfcsteve - most other fans can debate intelligently on this thread. You've consistently reduced it to petty mud-slinging (luring Harps players with the attraction of traffic lights, "Lots of luv, Sx", "You don't have a go Cheech - just a handbag..... ". Give it a rest and argue like an adult, FFS.

Sam_Heggy

10/12/2009, 2:40 PM

As Mkev just posted "it's not", the latest word is that the players budget will be closer to �4,000 a week.

That will be a very decent budget in the First Divison in fairness. Our manager would be over the moon with that sort of Budget.
Maybe Cobh fans can verify but I seem to recall Hendo won them the First Div on around €3000 per week.
From what I hear, our playing budget will be a percentage of yours (not a big percentage either) per week but our outgoings (paying creditors, general running costs, etc) will be about double your Budget.
Hence the reason for the Sour Grapes.