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Mr A
20/11/2009, 2:22 PM
If I was Finn harps I'd be trying to buy the name.

Aye, we could offer 100k for it. It's not like you actually have to settle debts these days :)
A N Mouse
20/11/2009, 2:38 PM
Surely the name is only of nominal - say £100 - value?

:D

Did you mean that?
OneRedArmy
20/11/2009, 2:41 PM
I'd say if you have 3 or 4 people wanting to be the next DCFC chairman with a bit of money in their pockets, they may get quite a bit for it.http://www.derryjournal.com/derry-sport/Unpaid-City-staff-to-receive.5844191.jp

I think this answers that particular question
MariborKev
20/11/2009, 2:42 PM
I'd say if you have 3 or 4 people wanting to be the next DCFC chairman with a bit of money in their pockets, they may get quite a bit for it.

No offence chief, you haven't a clue.
pineapple stu
20/11/2009, 2:49 PM
:D

Did you mean that?
Yup.

Feel free to offer counter arguments.
SwanVsDalton
20/11/2009, 2:54 PM
:D

Did you mean that?

There's no reason why the fee couldn't be nominal. Could even be a quid for all we know. Just depends what the liquidator feels they can get for it.
A N Mouse
20/11/2009, 2:55 PM
Yup.

Feel free to offer counter arguments.

WOOSH

seems you didn't :p

http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=define%3A+nominal
pineapple stu
20/11/2009, 2:57 PM
What?
tiktok
20/11/2009, 3:00 PM
A Liquidator isn't charged with trying to sort out DCFC supporters.
He's there to get the largest amount of money from the available assets to satisfy the creditors. The name is one of the few decent assets a club who doesn't own it's own ground has, the liquidator will try to squeeze a nice sum out of it.
OneRedArmy
20/11/2009, 3:04 PM
None of us is the liquidator, so lets leave the conjecture as to what the intangible and contingent assets are worth.

If I was the liquidator I'd worry first about whether there was enough there to pay my fees!
pineapple stu
20/11/2009, 3:05 PM
But realistically, how much would anyone pay for it? I've been involved in liquidations where the trading name has gone for a hundred quid; a football club may inflate the value more, but again, if, as Kev says, there aren't potential chairmen queueing up, supply and demand laws means the value tends towards the nominal.
tiktok
20/11/2009, 3:32 PM
None of us is the liquidator, so lets leave the conjecture as to what the intangible and contingent assets are worth.

Sure where's the fun in that?
brendy_éire
20/11/2009, 4:51 PM
a points deduction must happen

If it's a new club there can't be.
osarusan
20/11/2009, 4:55 PM
i hope these aren't questions that haven't been asked before but it may well have be the case:

If Derry are the "same" Derry as before, will they get a points deduction?

If Derry are a "new" Derry, on what grounds do they bypass the A League?

Is "fudge" the answer to either or both questions?
OneRedArmy
20/11/2009, 4:56 PM
i hope these aren't questions that haven't been asked before but it may well have be the case:

If Derry are the "same" Derry as before, will they get a points deduction?Unclear at present. Fudge suspected.


If Derry are a "new" Derry, on what grounds do they bypass the A League?

Is "fudge" the answer to either or both questions?ibid.
MariborKev
20/11/2009, 5:15 PM
If it's a new club there can't be.

Scenario A

A new club would require IFA permission, would have to re-register with FAI as a member etc

Scenario B

Same club, different trading company. Probable points deduction.
Mr_Parker
20/11/2009, 6:55 PM
Absolutely yeah, but if it's only happening today I'd have thought Dungannon would have had time to get their spoke in first.

Dungannon had (afaik) already put the wheels in motion. They normally take 3 to 4 weeks to work through the system. Derry jumped before being pushed so to speak.
Schumi
20/11/2009, 7:11 PM
What?

Name, nominal. Remember your Latin. No it's not very funny.
MariborKev
20/11/2009, 10:12 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/irish/8370797.stm
Riddickcule
21/11/2009, 12:17 AM
Does the new club have to carry on the debt?
Longfordian
21/11/2009, 1:59 AM
Forgive my ignorance in the matter but is it the case that a company has to go into administration before being liquidated?. Otherwise what's the point in administration since it seems they don't want the Wellvan company and its debts to survive?.
Mr A
21/11/2009, 6:16 AM
Maybe the FAI's getout clause on the points deduction will be that the company went into administration while not a member of the league?
Mr A
21/11/2009, 6:17 AM
Does the new club have to carry on the debt?

Nope.
passerrby
21/11/2009, 11:19 AM
Maybe the FAI's getout clause on the points deduction will be that the company went into administration while not a member of the league?

but surly any club that goes into admin or liquidation would automatically have the licence suspended
John83
21/11/2009, 12:20 PM
but surly any club that goes into admin or liquidation would automatically have the licence suspended
What licence?
Mr_Parker
21/11/2009, 12:26 PM
Does the new club have to carry on the debt?

What new club?
BulmersKid
21/11/2009, 12:27 PM
Maybe the FAI's getout clause on the points deduction will be that the company went into administration while not a member of the league?

Possibly....but how willthey fudge them re-joining the leagure in teh first division instead of the "A" championship
historynut
21/11/2009, 2:02 PM
Apologies as have lost track of thread, but just seen that S Kenny being mooted as poss new manager at Dundalk, has he left Derry ?
Mr A
21/11/2009, 2:12 PM
Yeah, all old DCFC staff are redundant and there's no new DCFC yet to sign them.
Dunny
22/11/2009, 12:02 PM
http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2009/1122/derry.html



Pressure on FAI over Derry Players

Sunday, 22 November 2009 11:00

The FAI must allow former Derry City player James McClean to sign for Lincoln City immediately, according to Irish agent Gerry Carlile.

Derry City's League of Ireland contract was terminated earlier in the month after the club admitted holding secondary, unofficial contracts with players.

The players became free agents and Lincoln City manager Chris Sutton was desperate to have wide-man McClean in his squad for the crucial League Two derby game against Grimsby Town yesterday, which ended in a goalless draw.


However, the FAI have blocked the Northern Ireland Under-21 player's move until the transfer window opens in January.

Carlile insisted that 'common sense must prevail' under the extraordinary circumstances.

He said: 'Some of the Derry City players haven't been paid in 11 weeks and they have been told that they are free agents.

'But I have been told that they can't sign for another club until the transfer window opens. I understand that there are rules but surely this is a special case.

'Lincoln have told me that the FA will be in touch with FIFA to try to sort the situation out.

'It is a ludicrous situation. The players have been punished enough. That is another six weeks that the players will be denied the opportunity to earn a living.

'We have the FAI looking for a moral judgement from FIFA and the French FA following Thierry Henry's hand ball in midweek but they are prepared to leave players without any money in the in the run-up to Christmas - and you are not talking about players who were being paid £10,000 per week at Derry City.

'Where is the morality in that? The players have mortgages and bills to pay and some of them are spiralling into debt. Common sense must prevail and it is a matter of urgency.'

Sutton added: 'I am not 100% sure what has happened over in Ireland with Derry City but we are keen to get James signed. There is only one loser here and that is the player.'
Dillonman
22/11/2009, 12:15 PM
So is there special dispensation for a player to join another team outside the transfer window, if the club he is with is in financial difficulties and havnt paid their players for some time?
dcfcsteve
22/11/2009, 2:29 PM
So is there special dispensation for a player to join another team outside the transfer window, if the club he is with is in financial difficulties and havnt paid their players for some time?

The point he's trying to make is that the player is a free agent since his wages haven't been played.

Any other free agent would be able to join a club outside of the transfer window, as they're not a transfer.

Bit in this instance the FAI hold McLean's paperwork, due to his status as a City player until recently. So the FAI hold the cards here, but don't want to put them down.
Mr A
22/11/2009, 2:34 PM
He had a contract at the end of the last transfer window so he can't move til January. The player's gripe should be with the Wellvan directors who landed him in this situation rather than the FAI.

And the Lincoln guy should recognise that the players are in this situation because they were a party to cheating (albeit unconsciously if you take their word for it).
micls
22/11/2009, 2:49 PM
Any other free agent would be able to join a club outside of the transfer window, as they're not a transfer.


Nope. This is only the case if the player was made a free agent before the transfer window closed.
Mr_Parker
22/11/2009, 3:08 PM
The fun begins..


DERRY CITY FOOTBALL CLUB LTD
8 MACRORY PARK
LONDONDERRY
UNITED KINGDOM
BT47 6LW
Company No. NI601341



Status: Active
Date of registration: 18/11/2009

Country of Origin: United Kingdom
Company Type: Private Limited Company
Nature of Business (SIC(03)):None Supplied
weecountyman
22/11/2009, 3:09 PM
Any names connected to this?
Mr_Parker
22/11/2009, 3:29 PM
Any names connected to this?

The filesize is to large to be allowed to be up loaded here, but the only name on the document is Mr Liam Martin McDaid.
dcfcsteve
22/11/2009, 3:41 PM
Surely you meant to refer to the 'continuity' DCFC here......
Réiteoir
22/11/2009, 3:50 PM
Is this the Provisional Derry City or the Real DCFC?
OneRedArmy
22/11/2009, 4:31 PM
Merge into the megathread?
Réiteoir
22/11/2009, 4:40 PM
Merge into the megathread?

Are you suggesting a United Forum Thread?

NEVER! ;)
Riddickcule
22/11/2009, 4:49 PM
We good luck to you's....

Hope to see you back up in the PD soon enough
monkey9
22/11/2009, 5:06 PM
The United Kingdom isn't even a country
Mr_Parker
22/11/2009, 5:07 PM
Merge into the megathread?

Sure that thread is about the other Derry City. :rolleyes:
OneRedArmy
22/11/2009, 5:20 PM
Sure that thread is about the other Derry City. :rolleyes:Ooooohhhhhh, whats your beef? Is it only the Celtic friendly?

Any news on whether there actually was a contract in place between Derry and Cliftonville over the breakdown of the costs?
Martinho II
22/11/2009, 5:20 PM
so has the other Derry City officially closed shop now and will their crest be changin?
pineapple stu
22/11/2009, 5:43 PM
Merged the threads as all that will happen is that the same things will be discussed in both threads (as happened the last time).
Mr_Parker
22/11/2009, 5:49 PM
Ooooohhhhhh, whats your beef? Is it only the Celtic friendly?

Any news on whether there actually was a contract in place between Derry and Cliftonville over the breakdown of the costs?

Yes there was a contract. Thanks for your concern.
OneRedArmy
22/11/2009, 6:20 PM
Yes there was a contract. Thanks for your concern.What did it say? When was it signed? Did it refer to the McGinn transfer contract?
dcfcsteve
22/11/2009, 6:46 PM
Ooooohhhhhh, whats your beef? Is it only the Celtic friendly?

Any news on whether there actually was a contract in place between Derry and Cliftonville over the breakdown of the costs?

It seems DCFC's status is Mr Parker's new play thing/obsession, to add to his ILSF obsession over how old his club is versus Limavady United..... :p


so has the other Derry City officially closed shop now and will their crest be changin?

Wellvan Enterprises, trading as DCFC, is now in Administration.

As for the crest, I suspect there'll be strong fan pressure to change it as most didn't like our current crest anyway.

However - that is unconnected to the change in legal entity. A chunk of fans have been pushing for a new crest for years now.


Yes there was a contract. Thanks for your concern.

Signed with invisible ink on rice paper that was subsequently eaten by those involved.

Ergo - any proof of such a contract has turned to sh!t.

Mod edit - use the multi-post, FFS.