LOI In Europe 2020

[sbgawa]

Cawley not mincing words on 2fm "dundalk outclassed by arsnals second tesm" he is sligo first bohs second man ....

[pineapple stu]

Cawley not mincing words on 2fm "dundalk outclassed by arsnals second tesm"
If he's using that as a stick to beat Dundalk with, he's a fool.

[mcgonigle]

Yep, cos that's relevant here.

Look, the bottom line (and I'm far from the only one saying this) is Rogers is Dundalk's weak link, particularly in Europe. One of the problems Dundalk have at the moment is an ageing team with poor recruitment, and that's exemplified by the fact that, despite a number of high profile and costly blunders, he's not been replaced. Effectively Dundalk are hoping to progress by standing still.

Don't agree with you at all. Dundalk have conceded 8 goals in Europe this year, how many would you blame Rogers for?

Mistakes by keepers are always amplfied. He makes no more than any other. Why have Man United not replaced De Gea? He has made a lot more high profile blunders than Rogers

[pineapple stu]

I've mentioned at least three on this thread (Celje x 2 and Arsenal)

Yes, De Gea has made more than his share of howlers, but he's one of the world's top keepers and by definition, he's hard to replace. Rogers isn't one of the world's top keepers and should be easy for a club with millions in the bank to replace. (Although if you want another PL example, look at Liverpool's improvement once they signed Alisson to replace blunder-prone Karius)

You don't have to agree with me btw. It's a discussion forum and opinions are like arseholes. But at least make points like your De Gea one (which is a good point) rather than silly stuff like "It must be very time consuming keeping tabs on every professional goalkeeper?"

[mcgonigle]

I've mentioned at least three on this thread (Celje x 2 and Arsenal)

Yes, De Gea has made more than his share of howlers, but he's one of the world's top keepers and by definition, he's hard to replace. Rogers isn't one of the world's top keepers and should be easy for a club with millions in the bank to replace. (Although if you want another PL example, look at Liverpool's improvement once they signed Alisson to replace blunder-prone Karius)

You don't have to agree with me btw. It's a discussion forum and opinions are like arseholes. But at least make points like your De Gea one (which is a good point) rather than silly stuff like "It must be very time consuming keeping tabs on every professional goalkeeper?"

It's not silly though, your statement that Rogers makes more blunders than most is silly hence my reply.

Don't agree that he was at fault for the goals v Celje. Both poor defending. Could he have done better? Yes. But we're talking about blunders here and those weren't blunders. Outfield players miss tackles and they could be bailed out. A keeper has nowhere to hide.

And De Gea can be replaced pretty easily by a club with that kind of spending power. Maybe they know more than the average Joe and understand that all keepers of all levels make mistakes but in the long run will outweigh that with say 2 Europa League group stage qualifications, 5 titles, FAI cup......

[pineapple stu]

What other LoI keeper has taken as much criticism as Rogers though? NcNulty in Cork is the only one I can think of. Why is that if it isn't for blunders?

Celje - sure, Gartland made the initial mistake for the first goal, but it's such a weak shot yet Rogers lets it trickle over his foot. Even the commentator called it as really poor.

The third goal was a basic goalkeeping error - if you're going to parry a shot, you parry it away to safety. You don't do what Rogers did and parry it into the six-yard box, and Celje showed exactly why not.

The first example is weak keeping; the second is a big blunder.

[sbgawa]

Rogers has been over rated for years. He played in an excelent dundalk team and was nf under a lot of pressure in many games. His mistakes against the better teams were predictable as he was under pressure more and is an ok but not outstanding goalkeeper .
We all love our own club players but rogers is a weak link for dfc in matches where he is under pressure. No idea why they havent gone after murphy or someone better.

[Nah Nah Nah Nah]

Yeah couldn’t understand why they didn’t go for Murphy when he was coming home. The De Gea comparison is interesting but I can’t think of too many times where Rogers has been man of the match or player of the season.

[mcgonigle]

Yeah couldn’t understand why they didn’t go for Murphy when he was coming home. The De Gea comparison is interesting but I can’t think of too many times where Rogers has been man of the match or player of the season.

No goalkeeper has ever won player of the year. So if we use that criteria, Murphy and Mannus are overrated also, which we know isn't true. Amazing that the season he won the league with Sligo he was in the team of the year but was rarely man of the match.

Anyway I'll bow to the superior knowledge of the lads who see him a handful of times a season. I'll finish by saying that I think you all have a massive under appreciation of the position.

[sbgawa]

One thing u couldnt accuse rovers supporters of is nor appreciating the position after our recent history before Manus came back.

[CorribsideSteve]

One thing u couldnt accuse rovers supporters of is nor appreciating the position after our recent history before Manus came back.
Now that was a goalkeeping nightmare prior to signing Mannus. One would hope at some near point that Dundalk would upgrade the GK position, rather than play Rogers til he's 45. When he was playing with Galway back in '09/10, people were calling him Dodge Rogers then. I also remember hearing the Bealarussian commentator in a BATE-Dundalk c.2015 match before going "BRAVO Rogers!" after a cracking save. So he's always been a conundrum. However, his current understudy McCarey has done mothing to oust him either. An interesting season or two of recruitments lay ahead for Dundalk, as their owners actually seem to have the financial means to change things there.

[osarusan]

In 13 attempts now, Limerick remain the only side to avoid defeat in England in European ties (1-1 away to Southampton in 1981, admittedly after losing the home leg 3-0).

Ha! Losers!

[pineapple stu]

Must be close enough to the only goal scored on English soil too?

Rovers v Spurs the only other one I can think of off hand.

[pineapple stu]

I'll finish by saying that I think you all have a massive under appreciation of the position.
This is another one of those blustery comments that doesn't help your argument though.

I am a goalkeeper. Not a great one, sure - I won't pretend to be remotely in Rogers' class - but I've played in nets enough to have an appreciation of the position. And I know from experience that if you're going to parry a shot, you have to get the ball safe - either turn it wide, or send it out of play altogether - because otherwise you're on the ground and the ball is loose in the six-yard box. Which is a bad thing as the third Celje goal shows.

[Hitman]

Must be close enough to the only goal scored on English soil too?

Rovers v Spurs the only other one I can think of off hand.

Just to save Pat Morley the trouble of signing up.

https://www.uefa.com/uefaeuropaleague/match/55507/

[Real ale Madrid]

Just to save Pat Morley the trouble of signing up.

https://www.uefa.com/uefaeuropaleague/match/55507/

Ha. He would too. #FirstDivisionGoalsDontCount

[Nah Nah Nah Nah]

No goalkeeper has ever won player of the year. So if we use that criteria, Murphy and Mannus are overrated also, which we know isn't true. Amazing that the season he won the league with Sligo he was in the team of the year but was rarely man of the match.

Anyway I'll bow to the superior knowledge of the lads who see him a handful of times a season. I'll finish by saying that I think you all have a massive under appreciation of the position.

I don’t think anyone is under appreciating the position. Played there for years. When he was with he was very solid and made very few mistakes. Exactly what you’d want from a goalkeeper. It was an bad mistake and unfortunately when you make a mistake as a keeper it generally ends up in a goal but that’s the way it is.

[pineapple stu]

Just to save Pat Morley the trouble of signing up.

https://www.uefa.com/uefaeuropaleague/match/55507/
Not quite what I was thinking of, but certainly can't argue it's an answer to my question alright! :p

[osarusan]

Just to save Pat Morley the trouble of signing up.

https://www.uefa.com/uefaeuropaleague/match/55507/


Ha. He would too. #FirstDivisionGoalsDontCount

hahaha very good.

[Nesta99]

After watching the game v Arsenal back in the cold light of day there are a few things that are more apparent than watching live. The good, for all the pressure that we were under there wasnt a huge amount of throwing bodies in the way, yes it happened but seemed more composed than panic scramble defence. Very much a flaw in the past even in Ireland games, when a ball was headed clear it was cleared away from attackers rather than being put back in the mixer in front of goal - for as good a defender as the likes of Cunningham back in the day, there was an awful habit of heading the ball back toward the 'D' and opposition deep attackers have an easy cchance to ping in a shot. We stuck to playing it out from the back even though it was like trying to out Arsenal Arsenal (of past days maybe). We did create a few reasonable opportunities all things considered and with very little ball. Commentary on BT Sports saying things like Rogers not being really troubled and that Arsenal need to be braver and more composed in attack. Duffy's free whiped in second half was a good chance for Garts to get something on target.

Bad stuff - the 2 1st half goals, Rogers missed clearance and some poor luck then the way the ball hit off Cleary's shoulder and back toward goal. Sloppy pass for the 2nd. The waste of most opportunities, Mountney crossing the ball from deep and out of play. Not troubling Atsenal with corners straight to the keeper. Murray's chance wasnt as much of just a half chance 1st half, he had time with a good touch to get a shot off but even trying to take the shot straight off but mistimed it was one of those that yu could dream of him connecting with and hitting to corner but any connection at all would have been expected. Duffy's free was screaming for an Aldridge like header ve Mexico '94. If Garts had gotten anything on it especially with a flick directed at the near post it would have had the keeper flatfooted and again the dream stuff of it creeping inside the post. Hoban's awful free kick which really really looked like Owen Farrell penalty kicking routine (look it up, its uncanny).

It's a possible blessing that Arsenal were out of reach and had a big domestic game today as if they had had to spring Lacazette and Aubameyang, with Pepe alreadt on the pitch the last quarter could have been any score. But the overall performance was ok, English fans were genuinely impressed and recognised the gulf in everything between the 2 sides but there was no patronising like it being like playing non-league in the FA Cup, we simply looked like a lower tier European side, with a little more composure than the helter skelter cup type games.

Keep it going against Pats now and secure 3rd spot, have a good crack at the cup once again but its not impossible to get a result against Vienna, Molde away keep it mean at the back, and of course we can have another go at Arsenal....

[patrickccfc]

Bit surreal for Dundalk going to Vienna today after what happened there just yesterday. Safety and security the obvious concerns.

[EatYerGreens]

Must be close enough to the only goal scored on English soil too?

Rovers v Spurs the only other one I can think of off hand.

Rovers scored twice away from home against Man United in their first European outing in 1957.

Waterford scored against the same team 11yrs later when they were trounced 7-1 at Old Trafford.

[placid casual]

I dunno if this is just some bs story but dundalk got €150k for not committing a single foul in the arsenal game?!?!
That's wrong on do many levels, especially given the meagre prize money on offer in LOI..

[Nesta99]

That has been doing the rounds in Dundalk - seems far fetched that a single cent would be given for somthing that could end up being a cheat, lose a game that will never be won so just dont committ any fouls and get the same money as for a draw, If it were actively possible not to foul while not obviously throwing a game - I doubt it is even a thing. Maybe UEFA have some prizemoney to be given out for unusual things like best dive, best dressed boss, no frees given away, most shots on target, longest kickout......

If it exsts it would be very strange but that would have nothing to do with LoI or the meagre prizemoney on offer!

[placid casual]

I should clarify, if it was true, it would just highlight what a mockery the prize money is in the league, given that the league winners get €100k.

[Nesta99]

Agreed, but we knew that already, 100k is a joke for league winners. If its as a comparison it certainly emphasises how meagre it s to win the league in context as you say. I doubt its a real 'prize', maybe at the end of all the group games the team with the least cards/frees are recognised but even then its out of nowhere and likely somone on a wum and people running with it as fact.

[Nesta99]

Agreed, but we knew that already, 100k is a joke for league winners. If its as a comparison it certainly emphasises how meagre it s to win the league in context as you say. I doubt its a real 'prize', maybe at the end of all the group games the team with the least cards/frees are recognised but even then its out of nowhere and likely somone on a wum and people running with it as fact.

That said if there is some additiona money on the go happy days. Previously unallocated prizemoney eg with a bunch of draws that balance does get redistributed somehow.

[pineapple stu]

It's not on Dundalk's site or UEFA's site or anywhere remotely official. I think that usually means one thing...

[oriel]

I should clarify, if it was true, it would just highlight what a mockery the prize money is in the league, given that the league winners get €100k.

Think the League winners get €115-120k but still a paltry sum v say a draw in the EL group stages that will generate an additional 190k to the base fee and any earlier monies earned.

On this 'fair play' award, I don't believe its true, unless there is a proviso that there is something awarded at the end of the 2020/21 EL season, but it does seem an odd type of payment / award tbh.

[oriel]

Bit surreal for Dundalk going to Vienna today after what happened there just yesterday. Safety and security the obvious concerns.

Yes and added to the Covid, such a pity not only can fans obv not go, but the squad won't be able to even take a stroll around such an historic city, think under UEFA guidelines, you need to stay in the hotel grounds.

Terrible events, and there will be an eery feeling for sure around the place, anything like such a tragic event like that is certainly more important than a football match.

On that though, as it will be played, hopefully we can give a good performance. I would think the only chance now of getting points on board will be Rapid at home, but if we can pull off a result tomorrow night, that will go down as one of the best away ones since Alkmaar in 2016 group, and Legia in CL same year both 1-1 draws.

I would think Rapid will be too strong though.

[kksaints]

Rapid should be too strong for Dundalk tomorrow but they were very poor against Molde last week.

[2 Year Contract]

Rapid should be too strong for Dundalk tomorrow but they were very poor against Molde last week.

Rapid caused Arsenal a lot of problems in their first game but from the highlights I saw of their game against Molde they were poor enough.

Having said that the chances Dundalk conceded to the second worst attack in the League of Ireland on Sunday with a close to first choice 11 can and will be put away by Rapid if Dundalk don’t get their act together defensively

[Charlie Darwin]

Dundalk will have their work cut out for them in every game this campaign, like us in 2011, but you'd think Rapid home and away would be the best chance of getting something. It's not like 2016 when you almost expected Dundalk to get something from each game, or at least get close.

[Nesta99]

There was more positiveness about that Rovers group than Dundalk currently. There is really a feeling of deligted to be there at all. 2016 we'd a chance of progressing right up to the last game and there was more expectation. Rovers, well apart from nipping ahead of Spurs was more like this EL campaign for Dundalk than 2016. POAK and Kazan on paper points could have been taken but that group ended a bit on its head.

[Charlie Darwin]

That's true about the positivity, but they were also all new to that level, hence why MON brought in the likes of Ricketts and Paterson. This squad at least have the likes of Gartland and Gannon who know what it's about, so I think that will serve yous well.

[Straightstory]

Dundalk might have a good chance against Rapid today as they were very poor against Molde last week.

[pineapple stu]

It's probably worth remembering there's a Pats fan here saying Dundalk were very poor against Pat's last week.

Everything's relative I think!

[joey B]

Rogers dropped for McCarey this evening which is interesting.

[Philosophizer]

A howler from the opposition goalie is nice for a change.

[pineapple stu]

And from the linesman. Clearly offside. But Dundalk will take it!

[passinginterest]

That's a great strike but have to question the keeper. After a very good start Dundalk need to settle again now.

[joey B]

Maybe Rogers should have played!

[Philosophizer]

A howler from the opposition goalie is nice for a change.
Nice of McCarey to even up the howlers. Feels more like a normal LOI European tie now.

I though Leahy could have done better with the clearance too. He made two in a row where he didn't get enough distance on them and invited pressure straight back.

[pineapple stu]

Two very shaky defences (and keepers) to be honest. Dundalk getting into a fair bit of trouble losing possession at the back, but getting more chances at the other end than in the other two games. More goals to come in this I think.

[placid casual]

This is great tea time entertainment! More goals and a red card or two looks a racing certainty.

[pineapple stu]

Why wasn't Duffy following in on his shot? He just stood there while Rapid were farting about. Might at least have pressured them into a worse clearance.

[pineapple stu]

Interesting to see McCarey going long more often than not with his goal kicks, whereas Rogers last week was passing to a player inside the six yard box. Wonder if that's to do with the change of keeper, or is it a deliberate tactical change?

Anyways, this is starting to get more like the Molde game tbh, which is worrying.

[passinginterest]

Similarities to the previous games, the better teams seem to figure Dundalk out after 35 minutes or so.

Agree re Leahy and the two poor clearances in lead up to the equaliser. He’s been excellent otherwise though.

Rapid are shocking defensively so there’s likely to be more chances for Dundalk if the can raise their game again. Looks like there’s bound to be a red card too, I think two centre back and a centre mid booked each?

[ger121]

I blink and it is 2-2?

[swinfordfc]

What is it with Dundalk goal keepers!