LOI In Europe 2020

[The Lilywhites]

Anyone know what's odds the Inter team from Andorra are for the game?
Definitely worth a tenner If the odds are decent. dalk are a mess.

Probably be better having your tenner on Milan -5.

[dundalkfc10]

Anyone know what's odds the Inter team from Andorra are for the game?
Definitely worth a tenner If the odds are decent. dalk are a mess.

At board level yes. All players very impressed with new management team

[placid casual]

It's good that the current players are buying into the new guys philosophy, but you need a new crop of players, cos I think we both know your flogging a few dead horses there, no?
As for the question asking if a team in European competition is better than a 1st division LOI team..? I can only assume you were a cleaner in the college, and not actually studying there.

[dundalkfc10]

It's good that the current players are buying into the new guys philosophy, but you need a new crop of players, cos I think we both know your flogging a few dead horses there, no?
As for the question asking if a team in European competition is better than a 1st division LOI team..? I can only assume you were a cleaner in the college, and not actually studying there.

A few yes but majority of that side won a league title in ease just over 12 months ago.

Rogers
Gannon
Boyle
Hoare
Leahy
Shields
Slogget
McEleney
Duffy
Colovic
Hoban

Add in Dan Kelly, Cleary, McMillan, Dummegan, Massey and that's a solid base to start with

Flores, Murray have been 2 disappointments especially Murray as you can tell theres a top player there, too many injures

You don't turn into a bad team overnight, just like throwing away a 13 pt lead didn't make Rovers a bad team

[placid casual]

I guess it shows 12 months is a long time ago in football. Your team are going backwards at an alarming rate, and added to that is a disastrous recruitment drive to replace the old warhorses. This has left dundalk losing games in Europe to dreadfully weak opposition as well as now being seen as a viable source of 3 points to pretty much every team in the LOI. This contrasts sharply with the previous 5/6 years for dundalk.
However optimism, it seems, is never in short supply for dundalk fans, so the best of luck to ye.

[sbgawa]

Bit early for gloating PC if we lose against bohs and in oriel dundalk could be 3 points behind with 6 games to go....

[Nesta99]

I guess it shows 12 months is a long time ago in football. Your team are going backwards at an alarming rate, and added to that is a disastrous recruitment drive to replace the old warhorses. This has left dundalk losing games in Europe to dreadfully weak opposition as well as now being seen as a viable source of 3 points to pretty much every team in the LOI. This contrasts sharply with the previous 5/6 years for dundalk.
However optimism, it seems, is never in short supply for dundalk fans, so the best of luck to ye.

Generally speaking the opposite is the case. Worst case scenario is usually the default point. There are few Dundalk fans that are not pretty worried about this EL game, one that we should win, but no absolute expectation. There does need to be a bit of back to basics eg Sheilds just being a spoiler in mf, and figure out who is the best creative combination with him. Build confidence and they are more than capable of moving the ball about at a higher tempo. I've written off the league, cup is about the draw, Europe is watching between fingers. Off the field things must have been pretty toxic, why doesnt matter much now, just hope that things are improving even in small bits. Generally talk locally is that the players like the new coaching team. Training is fresher, new ideas and methods. That could all change in weeks never mind 12 months. All very wait and see, which we have been doing from the start with Peak6.

Rovers have gone a bit off the boil too, but no crowds, commanding position top of the league, it happens and being out front brings its own pressure. I can see points being dropped be it at Bohs and/or Dundalk, but especially with Dundalk, picking up full points to get within reach for the run in is unlikely.

[placid casual]

Bit early for gloating PC if we lose against bohs and in oriel dundalk could be 3 points behind with 6 games to go....
I'm fairness sbgawa, it's not a case of gloating about Rovers winning the league, it's about how the wheels have come off dundalk being the out and out best team in the league.
They are the 3rd best team in the league now, and it's down to some poor decisions-clearly the backroom stuff going on is a hindrance to their continued success.
Either Rovers or boez will win the league this season.

[mypost]

Milan aren't what they were but realistically they should easily beat any LOI side. It will be a huge tactical test for Bradley - does he go pragmatic like MON and limit the risks or does he do what Kenny did and stick to his principles? Both ways have downsides.

It depends on him really. If he wants to be taken seriously as a decent manager, he'll tell the players that we're the best team in this league, and Milan are playing this game, at this time, for a reason, and lay everything on the line. If he decides to go down the "realistic" road, the players may as well go home.

If Tallaght was good enough to play Real Madrid and Juventus, it's good enough for AC Milan. It took Ronaldo, Raul and Real Madrid 85 minutes to win in Tallaght. It took a missed penalty for Milan to leave St. Mels Park on level terms. Of course we know what the result should be, but there's no second leg, there's no away goals to worry about. These are knockout Cup ties, there will be surprise results somewhere in Europe on the night.

Sorting out the TV rights is less challenging than sorting out tickets, but this game should be automatically covered by the existing Irish rights holders for the competition. They love to boast of showing "every game live", when in practice it appears to be just a handful of games on the night, and a selection of goals shown from a handful of other games, to a selection of available viewers. They should not be leaving Rovers to sort it out. The club already has enough work to do.

[WeAreRovers]

[QUOTE=mypost;204674

Sorting out the TV rights is less challenging than sorting out tickets, but this game should be automatically covered by the existing Irish rights holders for the competition. They love to boast of showing "every game live", when in practice it appears to be just a handful of games on the night, and a selection of goals shown from a handful of other games, to a selection of available viewers. They should not be leaving Rovers to sort it out. The club already has enough work to do.[/QUOTE]

Probably goes without saying but every single bit of this wrong.

[nigel-harps1954]

It depends on him really. If he wants to be taken seriously as a decent manager, he'll tell the players that we're the best team in this league, and Milan are playing this game, at this time, for a reason, and lay everything on the line. If he decides to go down the "realistic" road, the players may as well go home.

If Tallaght was good enough to play Real Madrid and Juventus, it's good enough for AC Milan. It took Ronaldo, Raul and Real Madrid 85 minutes to win in Tallaght. It took a missed penalty for Milan to leave St. Mels Park on level terms. Of course we know what the result should be, but there's no second leg, there's no away goals to worry about. These are knockout Cup ties, there will be surprise results somewhere in Europe on the night.

Sorting out the TV rights is less challenging than sorting out tickets, but this game should be automatically covered by the existing Irish rights holders for the competition. They love to boast of showing "every game live", when in practice it appears to be just a handful of games on the night, and a selection of goals shown from a handful of other games, to a selection of available viewers. They should not be leaving Rovers to sort it out. The club already has enough work to do.

There are no rights holders for this stage of the competition.

[Nesta99]

If Tallaght was good enough to play Real Madrid and Juventus, it's good enough for AC Milan. It took Ronaldo, Raul and Real Madrid 85 minutes to win in Tallaght. It took a missed penalty for Milan to leave St. Mels Park on level terms. Of course we know what the result should be, but there's no second leg, there's no away goals to worry about. These are knockout Cup ties, there will be surprise results somewhere in Europe on the night.


They were probably still in disbelief at getting muck on their fancy shoes - maybe having a top ground isnt everything;)

Tallaght is fine to host any team, I was just wondering whether there would be any temptation to move to a bigger venue under different circumstances. It's not entirely uncommon for some European clubs to nominate stadia different from their domestic games. I think Rovers will be a surprise outfit for Milan, hopefully they are barely bothering to scout. I think in the end Milan will win at a 0-2 or 1-3 but a shock is not impossible and certainly a solid performance is probable. Will be interesting to see how SB answers the conondrum of how to get at them. It was a disaster last season for Dundalk when we decided to keep it tight and target the last quarter of games, believing Qarabag especially would tire. The obvious tactic is to play this like an old fashioned away game, sit deep and organised, hit on the break and make set pieces count. I would love to see SB decide that the team is good enough to go at them from the off though. It wouldnt be what they'd expect.

[mypost]

While there are no rights holders for this stage, that doesn't mean there shouldn't be. The qualifiers, playoffs, group stage, and knockout rounds are all part of the same competition. If it's ok to show one part of it, the relevant broadcaster should be obliged to show the rest. That is standard procedure in order to buy sports rights.

[Yossarian]

While there are no rights holders for this stage, that doesn't mean there shouldn't be. The qualifiers, playoffs, group stage, and knockout rounds are all part of the same competition. If it's ok to show one part of it, the relevant broadcaster should be obliged to show the rest. That is standard procedure in order to buy sports rights.

The standard procedure is to show the games you bought the rights for. UEFA didn’t include the qualifiers as part of their sale of broadcast rights for the competition. It really isn’t that difficult to understand.

[Martinho II]

TBh lads AC Milan isnt the patch of the side of the mid noughties when Liverpool got beaten by them in 2007 Champions League final. If my memory serves me right thats the last time they have reached a European Final.
The only big name playing for them top of my head is Ibramovic.
I think shamrock rovers will give AC a bit of a fright but AC will won just about. Its a few years since AC were last in Europe!

[pineapple stu]

The keeper Donnarumma is a big name too in fairness. Italian first choice and successor to Buffon

[Nesta99]

TBh lads AC Milan isnt the patch of the side of the mid noughties when Liverpool got beaten by them in 2007 Champions League final. If my memory serves me right thats the last time they have reached a European Final.
The only big name playing for them top of my head is Ibramovic.
I think shamrock rovers will give AC a bit of a fright but AC will won just about. Its a few years since AC were last in Europe!

I dont think it matters if AC Milan are not the force they were. Certainly here there will be a big interest even if based on past reputation. Their pedigree is recent enough compared to say Red Star Belgrade. Ibrahimovic would be a draw almost alone for the curious non LoI people.

I agree with mypost on the whole TV rights for qualifying rounds in that it is the same comp. But most games would only be of 'local' interest so I can see why the spoils are not divided up evenly. That said, it is daft that a game in Ireland gets no rights for showing a game outside of Ireland. BHD makes this even more relevant - AC supporters interest alone would be fairly big nubers, add Italian TV/streaming services, well it should mean that SRFC get a significant cut of TV revenue for a game in their own home.

Differnt times, but Bohs got a big pay day for the Kiserslautern game and would have piqued not much more interest than from their own fanbase. Currently, due to covid-19, its would make a lot more sense to be more balanced with TV rights though we know that football and fair distribution of money doesnt happen.

[Nesta99]

The standard procedure is to show the games you bought the rights for. UEFA didn’t include the qualifiers as part of their sale of broadcast rights for the competition. It really isn’t that difficult to understand.

That kinda makes it even stranger, a contradcition in ways, that the home club cant sell all tv rights for a qualifier.

[total hoofball]

TBh lads AC Milan isnt the patch of the side of the mid noughties when Liverpool got beaten by them in 2007 Champions League final. If my memory serves me right thats the last time they have reached a European Final.
The only big name playing for them top of my head is Ibramovic.
I think shamrock rovers will give AC a bit of a fright but AC will won just about. Its a few years since AC were last in Europe!
Rovers have zero chance against them. If you had been watching Serie A last season you will know that Milan have experienced a huge transformation under Pioli only losing 2 games in 25 in all competitions in 2020 playing an attacking brand of football. Taking Zlatan out of the equation the squad has been rebuilt and has an age profile averaging around mid-20's. They've experienced a huge fall for 7/8 years but they look like they're on the path to return to the Champions League for 2021/22

[Yossarian]

That kinda makes it even stranger, a contradcition in ways, that the home club cant sell all tv rights for a qualifier.

The reason for that is because this year the games are one off. The away team having the TV rights for the rest of the world is basically to balance out the loss of a home game to sell. Rovers would have been better off drawing Milan away in this scenario, then get to play in the San Siro and sell the international broadcast rights.

[Nesta99]

The reason for that is because this year the games are one off. The away team having the TV rights for the rest of the world is basically to balance out the loss of a home game to sell. Rovers would have been better off drawing Milan away in this scenario, then get to play in the San Siro and sell the international broadcast rights.

I may be misunderstanding you but the home side dont have a game to sell.

[Yossarian]

I may be misunderstanding you but the home side dont have a game to sell.

The home team own the rights to the broadcast in their own country. Whether it’s fair or not, I think that’s the reason the ownership of the TV rights for these qualifiers have been done like this. Obviously there’s no game to sell for attendance but what I’m talking about is the TV rights.

[Scrufil]

Could Rovers not make good money from adverts spread across the seats, flag style? Or even hung on the edges of the stands visible to TV cameras, assuming RTÉ or TV3/Virgin muck televise the match free? This would normally not be an option.

[Nesta99]

The home team own the rights to the broadcast in their own country. Whether it’s fair or not, I think that’s the reason the ownership of the TV rights for these qualifiers have been done like this. Obviously there’s no game to sell for attendance but what I’m talking about is the TV rights.

Ok got ye now. Certainly isnt fair and doesnt sound like it was thought through much - or the decision makers were from larger leagues and clubs with international appeal (Celtic eg) where international rights can eclipse home interest. Irish broadcasters pay nothing or little so obviously we have something to grumble about on this. I still think, irrsepctive of the change to one leg this season, home clubs should own the rights or to be properly fair and benefits as much as possible, it is a split - maybe vary the % split on a set of factors. Its odd arguing from the corner of SRFC finances but fair is fair and there isnt balance, even if every single person in Ireland were watching the respective 'markets' for rights are very different. Smells of FAI like bs!

[holidaysong]

Should have been left to the home club to arrange but revenues split something like 30/70 in the club's favour. This would have still left it "fair" when a home club from a small market had a giant away team but the away team still took the lion's share of the revenue.

[paul_oshea]

I see rte are covering the game on rte2 and rte player.

[WeAreRovers]

https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2020/0910/1164363-shamrock-rovers-v-ac-milan-live-on-rte2-and-rte-player/

[Martinho II]

I see rte are covering the game on rte2 and rte player.

Delighted to hear this. Never heard of the AC Milan mgrs name before. Hear Ibrahmovic may be injured any other big names playing with them as I havent seen them play in a long while?

[John83]

Delighted to hear this. Never heard of the AC Milan mgrs name before. Hear Ibrahmovic may be injured any other big names playing with them as I havent seen them play in a long while?
It's quite a young team, with lots of key players around 21-3. Some of these guys could wind up at even bigger clubs in a few years.

Gianluigi Donnarumma is a 21 year old keeper with something like 200 senior appearances for Milan and 18 caps for Italy. He's not the heir to Buffon's throne, he's already ascended to it. His big brother is their backup keeper.

I don't know if they intend to play him or use him as backup, but Brahim Díaz is a talented forward who's played for Man City and Real Madrid (who've just loaned him to Milan). He hasn't had many competitive games yet, but he's still 21, and clubs of that magnitude must see something interesting in him.

Their captain is Romagnoli, an Italian centre half. Still only 25, he's played a bit for the national team, and presumably will play more if Chiellini retires before drawing his pension.

Çalhanoğlu is a Turkish winger with an eye for a goal.

Paquetá is a young Brazilian attacking mid, who has about a dozen caps for Brazil.

Kessié is an Ivorean centre mid.

[paul_oshea]

So nothing to fear then for Rovers.

[Nesta99]

The cidellas, umlauts and fadas have scared the bejaysus out of me already!!

[El-Pietro]

It's quite a young team, with lots of key players around 21-3. Some of these guys could wind up at even bigger clubs in a few years.

Gianluigi Donnarumma is a 21 year old keeper with something like 200 senior appearances for Milan and 18 caps for Italy. He's not the heir to Buffon's throne, he's already ascended to it. His big brother is their backup keeper.

I don't know if they intend to play him or use him as backup, but Brahim Díaz is a talented forward who's played for Man City and Real Madrid (who've just loaned him to Milan). He hasn't had many competitive games yet, but he's still 21, and clubs of that magnitude must see something interesting in him.

Their captain is Romagnoli, an Italian centre half. Still only 25, he's played a bit for the national team, and presumably will play more if Chiellini retires before drawing his pension.

Çalhanoğlu is a Turkish winger with an eye for a goal.

Paquetá is a young Brazilian attacking mid, who has about a dozen caps for Brazil.

Kessié is an Ivorean centre mid.
I think you are underselling Çalhanoğlu there. He has a very good career in the Bundesliga under his belt, 100+ league games for Hamburg and Leverkusen. I'm shocked to see how long he has been in Milan, over 100 games for them in Serie A already. He has an absolute hammer for a right foot, and is well known for his long distance free kicks.

Hes also got 48 caps for Turkey and hes only 26.

I'm also shocked that Donarumma is only 21, hes been around for ages, but that makes sense when I think baout it, he was only 16 when he made his debut.

Simon Kjaer is another name I'd single out. Hes probably past his best at this point or approaching it. 95 caps for Denmark, long career with medium/big clubs in Italy, Spain, France Germany and Turkey.

[DCWA]

I think it’s wrong to portray Milan as a team on a downward curve. As mentioned previously that’s not a reflection of their recent significant and sustained improvement, they have been the form team in Italy for several months.

They are not the European powerhouse of the noughties but likewise neither are the likes Manchester Utd but there are very very few bigger clubs in the world (you might be able to just about use one hand to count them) and Milan are very much amongst the favourites to win the entire competition and will see it as an alternative route back to the Champions League given an improving and increasingly competitive Serie A.

It will be the miracle of all footballing miracles if Rovers even lay a glove on them and unfortunately given the circumstances de jure it is truely an awful draw in every way.

[placid casual]

We'll see how good donna summer is in the penos tho. I trust Super Al to do his thing, eventually.
I'm gonna say 16/15 to Rovers on penos. I feel love.

[CorribsideSteve]

Rovers home draw against AC Milan has a certain resemblance to LASK LInz' home draw vs Man United. Happened right at the start of lockdown. Their supposedly big money-spinning home draw plays out in an empty stadium, and they lose 5-0. Sadly, can't see anything different to that for Shamrock Rovers. I only hope Milan don't take them seriously at all, and somehow Rovers themselves play with freedom and shackles off, almost like a League 2 team in the FA CUP against a Premier League team. Sadly, that's quite unlikely, but it will still be a fascinating match to watch.

[EatYerGreens]

If Rovers do happen to win on Thursday, it'll become the footballng equivalent of the GPO - with thousands claiming they were at the match years later :D

[sbgawa]

If Rovers do win on Thursday i will have to buy a new hat as i will have eaten the current one :)
Happy but with indigestion....and a hangover

[Nesta99]

If Rovers win I will happily and without complaint, wear a Rover jersey to the next game between our 2 clubs when crowds are allowed back. Assuming I could find one to borrow of course.

[sbgawa]

If Rovers win I will happily and without complaint, wear a Rover jersey to the next game between our 2 clubs when crowds are allowed back. Assuming I could find one to borrow of course.

Ahem. Meet u at the Maldren with a nice ironed one :)

[sbgawa]

U might buy me a hat :)

[Nesta99]

U might buy me a hat :)

Well at least it would be like a disguise!! I might have to borrow that new hat too...;)

[oriel]

Interesting how this pans out, if Rovers win and there is a chance, slim still, but its one off, how will this rate in terms of LOI results in Europe.

Plenty of criteria to list, from biggest clubs, to more advanced rounds in Europe, plenty of examples too from Bohs 3-2 win over Rangers, to Cork drawing 1-1 to Bayern, Shels 3-2 v Hajduk, Shels 0-0 v Deportivo, Pats 0-0 away to Celtic, Rovers first to qualify for group stages, Dundalk first club to win an away euro tie (1963), Dundalk also first to win and draw in group stages, there has to be more and more.

For a 'scalp' this is up there for a right go but how will it compare?

[Charlie Darwin]

It'd be bigger (in terms of comparative size of the opponent) than anything Rovers have achieved. Not sure how you'd weight that against the importance of the game: Milan are a much bigger team than Partizan but beating them wouldn't qualify us for anything.

[Nah Nah Nah Nah]

Bigger then anything else

[Nesta99]

Talk of Rovers league form and position meaning they can enjoy the game against Milan is interesting. A team with nothing to lose can be real banana skin and a free hit with only one match. I just hope that the game isnt lost on a complete LoI like howler.....gone a bit soft on Rovers of recent I think so a howler might be a bit funny:p

[sbgawa]

Realistic assessment would be anything other than a 4 or 5 goal defeat is unlikely.
Milan finished the Italian league in form and are full of level 1 players. A trouncing for rovers with us on top of the league will play nicely with the anti loi set.
Here is hoping we play at our best levels and keep it decent

[oriel]

Bigger then anything else

Bigger than a win at the group stage of a euro competition? Don't get me wrong, if Rovers put Milan out - it will be rightly lauded as a massive result.

[2 Year Contract]

If Rovers were to win, in my books it wouldn’t be as impressive as Athlone's 0-0 draw with AC Milan given that the gulf between those two sides at the time was much bigger than a good rovers side by LOI standards playing against a Milan side that have been very poor by their standards for years now and haven’t been in the champions league in 7 seasons

[EatYerGreens]

Interesting how this pans out, if Rovers win and there is a chance, slim still, but its one off, how will this rate in terms of LOI results in Europe.

Plenty of criteria to list, from biggest clubs, to more advanced rounds in Europe, plenty of examples too from Bohs 3-2 win over Rangers, to Cork drawing 1-1 to Bayern, Shels 3-2 v Hajduk, Shels 0-0 v Deportivo, Pats 0-0 away to Celtic, Rovers first to qualify for group stages, Dundalk first club to win an away euro tie (1963), Dundalk also first to win and draw in group stages, there has to be more and more.

For a 'scalp' this is up there for a right go but how will it compare?

Who'd win a fight between a shark and a tiger ?

[placid casual]

If a shark and a tiger mate, would it be known as a Thark or a Shiger?