European Football 2012

[citybone]

I know its a long way off yet but a little info here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012%E2%80%9313_UEFA_Champions_League Irish League Champions will face pre qualifying, Uncertain will Shamrocks be seeded in the 2nd qualifying round or not. will have to wait and see who qualifies from other leagues first.
In the Europa league http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012%E2%80%9313_UEFA_Europa_League
it has Derry down for the first Qualifying round with Pats but we know Derry may not get to play in this round. Reasonable possibility that one of the LOI clubs could face a Irish league team or Welsh League team in the 1st qualifying round. Easier ties and shorter trips. Maybe not for Bohs if they get in and face a welsh side ;-)

[PartySaint]

Pats will be seeded in the first round and if we were to get through we might be seeded in the second round depending on who qualifies

[citybone]

Agreed yee have a good co-effecient, Derry have to start from scratch co-effecient wise but would be seeded in the 1st round alright. If Bohs are allowed in then their ranking would be low also and may not be seeded in the 2nd rounds as their results in Europe were not great but would be seeded in the first round also.

[SkStu]

Reasonable possibility that one of the LOI clubs could face a Irish league team or Welsh League team in the 1st qualifying round. Easier ties and shorter trips. Maybe not for Bohs if they get in and face a welsh side ;-)

Totally Not Sound.

[JayC90]

It looks very unlikely that Shamrock Rovers will be seeded in the 2nd Qualifying Round of next year's Champions League. They need 17 clubs to have a lower team co-efficient than them (Rovers co-efficient is 4.475) to be pushed into the seeded side of the draw and as things stand, only the following 13 clubs are below them (if league is still in progress I've noted which team in that country has the highest possible team co-efficient):

Bosnian league still in progress but team with highest co-efficient is FK Sarajevo with 4.183
Molde FK 3.935 (Champions)
KR Reykjavik 3.566 (Champions)
Montenegrin league still in progress but team with highest co-efficient is FK Mogren with 3.375
Welsh League still in progress but team with highest co-efficient is Bangor with 3.049
Albanian league still in progress but team with highest co-efficient is SK Tirana with 2.783
Macedonian league still in progress but team with highest co-efficient is FK Renova with 2.633
Flora Tallinn 2.283 (Champions)
Shakhtar Karagandy 1.816 (Champions)
Ulisses Yerevan 0.941 (Champions)
Northern Irish league still in progress but team with highest co-efficient is Linfield with 2.766
B36 Torshavn 0.533 (Champions)
Maltese league is still in progress but team with highest co-efficient is Birkirkara with 2.116

Surprising to note that Molde of Norway will definitely be unseeded, while Ekranas, the Lithuanian champions (4.875) and Ventspils, the Latvian champions (5.674), have a higher co-efficient than Rovers. It shows, more than anything else, how the team co-efficient system rewards teams qualifying for Europe year after year, but not necessarily progressing through many rounds.

For Rovers to be seeded, they'll need 4 more clubs with a lower co-efficient than theirs to finish as champions of their respective leagues. This is only possible in 5 leagues that are ongoing at the minute.

In the Georgian league, Zestafoni currently lead Torpedo Kutaisi by 4 points. Zestafoni (4.733) have a higher co-efficient than Rovers, while Kutaisi (1.733) do not, so they'll need Kutaisi to win the league.
In the Azeri league, Qarabag Agdam (5.241) are the only team with a higher co-efficient than Rovers and they're in 5th place 8 points behind the leaders, Neftchi Baku. As long as someone other than Qarabag wins the league, the Azeri representative will be seeded below Rovers.
In the Slovenian league, NK Maribor (6.424) are the only team with a higher co-efficient than Rovers, however they're top of the league by 15 points so it looks unlikely that they won't finish as champions.
In the Hungarian league, Debrecen (7.950) are the only team with a higher co-efficient than Rovers, and they're top of the league, ahead of Gyor by 4 points.
In the Moldovan league, Sheriff (9.849) are the only team with a higher co-efficient than Rovers and are ahead of Dacia Chisinau in the league by 2 points.

The Slovenian league looks like a lost cause, and it's highly unlikely that all 4 other leagues will go Rovers' way, but it will be interesting to keep an eye on nevertheless. Apologies to anyone who I've bored to death.

[PartySaint]

That's some top quality research

Co-efficient nerds unite!!

[bennocelt]

Apologies to anyone who I've bored to death.

Never:D
jeez i thought i was bad with the co efficients, have Berts site bookmarked with regular checks
I think Rovers could do well again next season.

[PartySaint]

Never:D
jeez i thought i was bad with the co efficients, have Berts site bookmarked with regular checks
I think Rovers could do well again next season.

If they aren't seeded they could be in trouble, some very good teams start in that round so they will need to be lucky with the draw

Interesting to note that despite Rovers getting to the EL group stages this year we are still the highest ranked Irish club

Ireland's European Club :D

[citybone]

Cork City were better than pats in Europe but then we imploded thanks to TNB and ARKADA. We will be in Europe soon again and regain our coefficients.

[Dodge]

For Europa League,
In the first round ofthe Europa League, here’s how the 33 teams rank from the Northern region. *Fair play teams are likely to be added, and will probably be ranked in the higher half. *We don’t know the qualifiers from Wales, Luxembourg or the North. *The Estonian cup final is in 2012. *I’ve given them the highest rank available (eg in Wales Bangor are 3.049), so those 10 teams may be seeded lower (substantially in the case of Wales/NI)
Rosenborg
20.935
Elfsborg (Boras)
10.180
Kalmar
7.180
Latvia
5.674
St Patrick's Athletic
4.975
FH
3.566
Estonia (cup winners)
3.533
Vaduz
3.300
Liepâjas Metalurgs
3.174
Wales
3.049
Luxembourg
2.966
Sûduva (Marijampolë)
2.875
Wales
2.799
Northern Ireland
2.766
Luxembourg
2.716
Derry City
2.475
Lithuania
2.375
KuPS (Kuopio)
2.326
Northern Ireland
2.266
EB/Streymur
2.033
JJK ( Jyväskylä)
1.826
Northern Ireland
1.766
Daugava Daugavpils
1.674
Wales
1.549
Luxembourg
1.466
Žalgiris (Vilnius)
1.375
IBV
1.316
Trans (Narva)
1.283
Por Akureyri
1.066
Zhetysu (Taldykorgan)
1.066
Kalju (Tallinn)
1.033
NSÍ Runavík
1.033
Víkingur
0.783
Pats are definitely seeded. *

Derry are on the bubble if they retain their points. *Not seeded if they’re a new club

Bohs would be seeded if they replace Derry.(their seeding is 3.975)

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[Dodge]

Cork City were better than pats in Europe but then we imploded thanks to TNB and ARKADA. We will be in Europe soon again and regain our coefficients.

Ranking ties won by Cork in their history; 4
Ranking ties won by Pats the last 3 times they've entered; 6

In conclusion, shurrup

[ger121]

Could be very tough for Rovers alright. Is the 2nd round draw regionalised?

[Dodge]

No rounds in CL are regionalised. Only the first round in Europa is regionalised (and even that's unofficial)

[ger121]

No rounds in CL are regionalised. Only the first round in Europa is regionalised (and even that's unofficial)

Ah ok. Thought it might be, seeing as we got TNS in 2010 and Rovers got Talinn in 2011 who are both teams you would find in a Northern Region

[citybone]

http://european-football-statistics.co.uk/ecr40.htm We are better according to statistics. They site was better before done the last 25 years instead of 42 years.

[ger121]

Just doing a little research and have noticed that in Israel. Hapoel Kiryat Shmona FC are leading their league by 10 points after 23 games. They have a playoff system in place after the regular season of 30 games. The Top 8 teams qualify and each team's total points to date are then halved. They then play each other once and whoever has the most points at the end of this, (Half Regular Season + Play-off points accumulated) are crowned Champions. If Hapoel Kiryat Shmona FC where to still be on top, I believe their co-efficient would be 4.400, which would be below Rovers.

Lot to play for there but they are in a decent position at the moment. I wonder if there are any similar situations in Leagues we'd normally expect to have Teams with higher co-efficients

[PartySaint]

Cork City were better than pats in Europe but then we imploded thanks to TNB and ARKADA. We will be in Europe soon again and regain our coefficients.

Yeah but that was an old club who aren't around anymore so they will never catch us ;)

[Bawnville Hoop]

It looks very unlikely that Shamrock Rovers will be seeded in the 2nd Qualifying Round of next year's Champions League. They need 17 clubs to have a lower team co-efficient than them (Rovers co-efficient is 4.475) to be pushed into the seeded side of the draw and as things stand, only the following 13 clubs are below them (if league is still in progress I've noted which team in that country has the highest possible team co-efficient):


The opposite in my opinion. First of all, one team in the round will advance to round 3 and a round 1 team replacing (who will be unseeded). That is if someone wins the champions league who have qualified for it anyway in their league..

You also have Ludogorets in Bulgaria level on points, ranked lower than us. (Millionaire pumping money in to them lately)

Irony Kiryat Shmona of Israel are 10 points ahead, ranked lower than us.

Torpedo are closing the gap in Georgia and Quarabag of azerbaijan are 5th, 9 points behind (ranked lower)

If all leagues were to finish today, Rovers will be seeded.

For europa league, here is an updated page (december). You have to adjust your screen resolution as it appears muddled on some monitors..

Europa league round 1 is regionalised as is the 2nd champions league round (one Rovers are in)

Also the format is changing (rumoured). Derry and Pats are in round 1 and only Sligo in round 2. Round 2 is mainly for cup winners.


Nearly all the leagues are in the off season, most won't be back until we are.

[Bawnville Hoop]

If they aren't seeded they could be in trouble, some very good teams start in that round so they will need to be lucky with the draw

Interesting to note that despite Rovers getting to the EL group stages this year we are still the highest ranked Irish club

Ireland's European Club :D

Even if Rovers are unseeded they could get a team with a coefficient of 10.000+. If we win we take their coefficient in to round 3 therefore being seeded :)
Works the same in the europa league. Due to the draw taking place in between the 2 legs

[JayC90]

The opposite in my opinion. First of all, one team in the round will advance to round 3 and a round 1 team replacing (who will be unseeded). That is if someone wins the champions league who have qualified for it anyway in their league..

You also have Ludogorets in Bulgaria level on points, ranked lower than us. (Millionaire pumping money in to them lately)

Irony Kiryat Shmona of Israel are 10 points ahead, ranked lower than us.

Torpedo are closing the gap in Georgia and Quarabag of azerbaijan are 5th, 9 points behind (ranked lower)

If all leagues were to finish today, Rovers will be seeded.

For europa league, here is an updated page (december). You have to adjust your screen resolution as it appears muddled on some monitors..

Europa league round 1 is regionalised as is the 2nd champions league round (one Rovers are in)

Also the format is changing (rumoured). Derry and Pats are in round 1 and only Sligo in round 2. Round 2 is mainly for cup winners.


Nearly all the leagues are in the off season, most won't be back until we are.

Well spotted about the Bulgarian league! I had overlooked that and the Israeli league where I'd expected the champions to have a much higher co-efficient than any of our representatives.

I had actually already assumed the winner of the Champions League would qualify from their league again and I included the Maltese and Northern Irish champions in the unseeded side of the Round 2 draw (they will be the ones to move from Round 1 automatically as they occupy 48th and 49th place respectively in the 2012-13 access list) so Rovers will still need 4 more teams with a lower co-efficient than themselves to finish as champions and I still think that is unlikely to happen. I've tried to lay out the leagues which could impact on Rovers' seeding below in a clear manner so it's easier to follow over the course of the season, although as Bawnville Hoop pointed out, most are currently in the off-season and don't return until March. If 4 of the following materialise then they will be seeded:

Israeli Premier League (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011%E2%80%9312_Israeli_Premier_League#Regular_sea son) - Need anyone except Hapoel Tel Aviv, Maccabi Haifa, Maccabi Tel Aviv, Bnei Yehuda, or Maccabi Netanya to win.

Bulgarian A League (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011%E2%80%9312_A_PFG#League_table) - Need anyone except Levski Sofia, CSKA Sofia, Litex Lovech, Lokomotiv Sofia or Cherno More Varna to win.

Slovak First League (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011%E2%80%9312_Slovak_First_League#League_table) - Need anyone except Zilina, Slovan Bratislava or Spartak Trnava to win.

Georgian Premier League (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011%E2%80%9312_Umaglesi_Liga#Liga_table) - Need anyone except Zestafoni or Dinamo Tblisi to win.

Azerbaijan Premier League (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011%E2%80%9312_Azerbaijan_Premier_League#League_t able) - Need anyone except Qarabag Agdam to win.

Hungarian National Championship (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011%E2%80%9312_Nemzeti_Bajnoks%C3%A1g_I#League_ta ble) - Need anyone except Debrecen to win.

Slovenian First League (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011%E2%80%9312_Slovenian_PrvaLiga#League_table) - Need anyone except Maribor to win.

Moldovan National Division (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011%E2%80%9312_Moldovan_National_Division#League_ table) - Need anyone except Sheriff to win.


Even if Rovers are unseeded they could get a team with a coefficient of 10.000+. If we win we take their coefficient in to round 3 therefore being seeded :)
Works the same in the europa league. Due to the draw taking place in between the 2 legs

True, but the whole point of the seeding and co-efficient system is that, in theory, it will be extremely difficult to beat a team of 10.000+ and then take their co-efficient. That was shown last year by the fact that none of the unseeded teams in the 2nd Qualifying Round were able to progress. It's certainly an interesting time ahead for Stephen Kenny who has "been led to believe" Rovers will be seeded according to this interview (http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2012/0128/shams_kennys_av.html) with Des Cahill. I wonder was he told that before or after he signed his contract.

[ger121]

The opposite in my opinion. First of all, one team in the round will advance to round 3 and a round 1 team replacing (who will be unseeded). That is if someone wins the champions league who have qualified for it anyway in their league..

You also have Ludogorets in Bulgaria level on points, ranked lower than us. (Millionaire pumping money in to them lately)

Irony Kiryat Shmona of Israel are 10 points ahead, ranked lower than us.

Torpedo are closing the gap in Georgia and Quarabag of azerbaijan are 5th, 9 points behind (ranked lower)

If all leagues were to finish today, Rovers will be seeded.


To add to this, the teams 4th & 5th in the Slovakian league are only 2 & 3 points behind Zilina. Both these teams are ranked below Rovers.

That team in Bulgaria have done back to back promotions and would therefore only get the national ranking which is 2 point something

[Dodge]

http://european-football-statistics.co.uk/ecr40.htm We are better according to statistics. They site was better before done the last 25 years instead of 42 years.
You're using making up stats from a makey up website, to try and out-statistic the only statistic that matters; ties won

Wow

[citybone]

you are neglecting 5 draws since 2005 but ya you have done very well in Europe.

There were 9 wins since 1989 but co-efficient looks back 5 years and our most successful spell in Europe was 2004-2008

[Dodge]

I neglected nothing. Cork have won 4 ties in ranking European competitions in their history. Pats have won 6 in the last 4 years

If you want to talk about individual legs Cork have won 6 and drawn 5 since they were founded. In the same period Pats have won 7, and drawn 6

So whatever way you dress it, you've no grounds to make any claims about Cork's co-efficient

[El-Pietro]

you are conveniently excluding intertoto cup results of course - you are right to say that they don't count for coefficient but they hardly don't matter at all

[Dodge]

He brought up co-efficient, so what else should I talk about?

[Hitman]

He brought up co-efficient, so what else should I talk about?

Zimbrau Chisinau?




Sorry.

[El-Pietro]

He brought up co-efficient, so what else should I talk about?
yeah thats fair enough

still - I think we had won the joint most amount of European ties of any Irish team before last summer. Obviously Pats and Rovers will have overtaken us since

[Dodge]

Overall Pats, Cork, Shels and Rovers have all won 7. Bohs on 6

Not including inter toto; Pats, Shels and Rovers on 6, Dundalk and Bohs on 5, Cork on 4

I wasn't saying Cork had a poor record btw, far from it. Its just not true to say there's is better than Pats. Including inter toto, only 7 times have Irish sides won through 2 rounds in Europe. Pats have done it the last 3 times

[El-Pietro]

impressive record given our short history

Pats last few years have been something special alright

we won through 2 rounds in 04 and 05 I believe

so between us we make up 5 of the 7 times? does Rovers from last year count? Shels when they played Depor would be another

[Dodge]

Sorry that was a typo. It's

Dundalk in 79
Cork in 04 and 05
Shels in 04
Derry in 06
Pats in 08, 09 and 11
Rovers in 11

9 times in total.

[El-Pietro]

so only Pats and City have done it more than once, and we were the first team to ever do it more than once is what you are saying!

[Dodge]

Yes, I'm saying Pats are the only team to do it twice in real European competitions and have actually done it three times as many as any other team ;)

[citybone]

Yes, I'm saying Pats are the only team to do it twice in real European competitions and have actually done it three times as many as any other team ;)
The first qualifying round of the Europa League is a direct replacement for the Intertoto cup so your progress is equivalent of Cork City's Intertoto cup run, but Cork City's intertoto cup run was not counted in Coefficient ranking.

[Dodge]

It is not a direct replacement. For example this year the LOI has 2 teams in the first round, it never had 2 in the intertoto

Likewise some nations didn't enter the intertoto

And if you want to talk progress in 2009, Pats actually made it to the 4th round as they received a bye in round 1

Any other ways you want me to prove you wrong or can you just accept Cork arent the greatest European team of all time?

[adamd164]

I'm just pleased Dodge admits we were founded in 1984 ;)

[bullit]

Great recognition for the LOI tonight as Pat Sullivans goal for Shams V Partizan Belgrade wins TV moment of the year at the IFTAs (aka the Irish film & TV Oscars)

[Dunny]

Fair play, thought the ROI qualifying would have got it, or was that in a different category?

[bullit]

It was in that category alright,the nominations were


· Barack Obama Addressing Ireland from College Green
· Ireland beat Estonia and qualify for the European Championships
· Ireland v Australia - Rugby World Cup
· Irish teen Damien McGinty Wins The Glee Project
· President Michael D. Higgins’ Inauguration Speech from Dublin Castle
· Queen Elizabeth II Speech at Dublin Castle State Banquet
· Rory McIlroy’s Major Breakthrough
· Rose of Tralee goes Hip Hop
· Shamrock Rovers Europa League Qualifying Goal
· Stephen Fry’s guest appearance on Ros na Rún

The vote was open to the public and may have been the subject of some(alleged) manipulation ;) But look at some of the gay stuff that didn't win :D

[bennocelt]

· Irish teen Damien McGinty Wins The Glee Project
·
· Shamrock Rovers Europa League Qualifying Goal
· Stephen Fry’s guest appearance on Ros na Rún


Glee, whats that? Looking at the nominations i thinks its deserved TBH, but Fry on RnR is cool

[TheBoss]

Update on Champions League:

Rovers at the moment are in the last possible position for seeding (assuming teams of higher co-eff than Rovers win leagues currently ahead), there is 3 leagues below, which are Israel, Azerbaijan and Macedonia.

Israel: Hapoel Ironi Kiryat Shmona (below) are currently 16 points clear, so thats 1 league ruled out, you would think.
Azerbaijan: Neftçi Baku PFC (below) are currently 5 points clear of FK Qarabag (ahead) and 6 points clear of FC Inter Baku & FK Khazar Lankaran (Both below) with 6 games to go
Macedonia: FK Vardar (below) are currently 14 points clear, with 10 games to go, again we can rule this out.

So the only threat to Rovers is if FK Qarabag win the Azeri League.

[Dodge]

Update on the Europa League.

Bohs and Pats will both be seeded in Round 1. Going on previous semi regional posts we'll face one of these sides IMO. Listed in order of ranking, teams in bold have definitely qualified.

EB/Streymur - Faroes
FK Šiauliai - Lithuania
JJK ( Jyväskylä) - Finland
Cliftonville Northern Ireland
Daugava Daugavpils - Latvia
Llanelli - Wales
Crusaders - Northern Ireland
Jeunesse d'Esch - Luxembourg
Žalgiris (Vilnius) - Lithuania
IBV- Iceland
Trans (Narva) - Estonia
Por Akureyri - Iceland
Kalju (Tallinn) - Estonia
NSÍ Runavík - Faroes
Portadown - Northern Ireland
CS Grevenmacher - Luxembourg
Víkingur - Faroes
Cefn Druids - Wales

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Depending on a few results, Pats may be seeded in Round 2. We'll know within a month. Bohs and Sligo won't be.

Rovers may be seeded in CL. They need one of Sheriff Tiraspol in Mildova or Zestafoni in Georgia to not win their league. Pats would like the opposit for round EL 2 seeding

[nigel-harps1954]

Crusaders is an awfully strange sounding country...

[sligoman]

Rovers at the moment are in the last possible position for seeding (assuming teams of higher co-eff than Rovers win leagues currently ahead), there is 3 leagues below, which are Israel, Azerbaijan and Macedonia.

Israel: Hapoel Ironi Kiryat Shmona (below) are currently 16 points clear, so thats 1 league ruled out, you would think.
Azerbaijan: Neftçi Baku PFC (below) are currently 5 points clear of FK Qarabag (ahead) and 6 points clear of FC Inter Baku & FK Khazar Lankaran (Both below) with 6 games to go
Macedonia: FK Vardar (below) are currently 14 points clear, with 10 games to go, again we can rule this out.

So the only threat to Rovers is if FK Qarabag win the Azeri League.

Rovers may be seeded in CL. They need one of Sheriff Tiraspol in Mildova or Zestafoni in Georgia to not win their league. Pats would like the opposit for round EL 2 seedingSo which of ye are wrong?

[TheBoss]

Slight Miscalcuation from me the last time

Zilina Svk 14.974
Legia Warsaw Pol 11.983
CSKA Sofia Bul 10.350
Debrecen Hun 7.950 / Györ Hun 3.450
Ekranas Lit 4.875
Zestafoni Geo 4.733 / Metalurgi Rustavi Geo 1.733
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Shamrock Rovers Irl 4.475
Hapoel Kiryat Shmona Isr 4.400
Molde FK Nor 3.935
Željezničar Bos 3.683
KR Reykjavik Isl 3.566
Dacia Mol 3.349 / Sheriff Tiraspol Mol 9.849


Hun: (5 to Go) (Play each other on the final matchday)
Debrecen 25/59
Györ 25/57

Geo: (6 to Go) (Play each other on the final matchday)
Zestafoni 22/43
Metalurgi Rustavi 22/42

Mol: (6 to Go) (Still to play each other)
Dacia 27/67
Sheriff Tiraspol 27/66

[ger121]

Slight Miscalcuation from me the last time

Zilina Svk 14.974
Legia Warsaw Pol 11.983
CSKA Sofia Bul 10.350
Debrecen Hun 7.950 / Györ Hun 3.450
Ekranas Lit 4.875
Zestafoni Geo 4.733 / Metalurgi Rustavi Geo 1.733
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Shamrock Rovers Irl 4.475
Hapoel Kiryat Shmona Isr 4.400
Molde FK Nor 3.935
Željezničar Bos 3.683
KR Reykjavik Isl 3.566
Dacia Mol 3.349 / Sheriff Tiraspol Mol 9.849


Hun: (5 to Go) (Play each other on the final matchday)
Debrecen 25/59
Györ 25/57

Geo: (6 to Go) (Play each other on the final matchday)
Zestafoni 22/43
Metalurgi Rustavi 22/42

Mol: (6 to Go) (Still to play each other)
Dacia 27/67
Sheriff Tiraspol 27/66

Based on this then. They need 2 from the 3 leagues highlighted, to go the way of the lower seeds or else Rovers ain't seeded. Gonna go down to the wire I think

[DannyInvincible]

Not sure if it's been mentioned, but I've been informed by my brother, who has a bit of a knack for all things co-efficients, that Rovers won't be seeded if Chelsea win the Champions League.

Edit: Actually, it's not as simple as that, he tells me. Why did I think co-efficients could be simple?

[JayC90]

Based on this then. They need 2 from the 3 leagues highlighted, to go the way of the lower seeds or else Rovers ain't seeded. Gonna go down to the wire I think

Győr in the Hungarian League will be serving the second year of a 3-year ban from UEFA competition due to breach of licencing rules, so regardless of whether or not they win their league they won't be able to compete in Europe. That leaves it just down to the Georgian and Moldovan leagues. For Rovers to be seeded they need both Metalurgi Rustavi and Dacia Chişinău to win the Georgian (http://uk.soccerway.com/national/georgia/umaglesi-liga/2011-2012/championship-round/) and Moldovan (http://uk.soccerway.com/national/moldova/divizia-naional/2011-2012/regular-season/) leagues respectively.

[Bawnville Hoop]

Here's Shamrock Rovers current seeding status. The below is assuming Bayern win. If Chelsea win 2 teams need to win their league.

To get a seeding spot 1 of the 7 teams below have to win their leagues.


Moldova – Dacia (1 point ahead, 6 games left)

Georgia – Metalurgi Rustavi (1 point behind, 6 games left)
Poland -- Korona Kielce (4 points behind, 3 games left)
Hungary – Videoton (8 points behind, 5 games left)
Slovakia – Senica (8 points behind, 6 games left)
Bulgaria – Ludogorets (8 points behind, 5 games left)



Potential opponents, these are more or less confirmed!:


If Unseeded:
Belarus - Bate Borisov
Poland - Legia Warsaw
Sweden - Helsingborg
Finland - Helsinki
Latvia - FK Ventspils
(Ireland - Shamrock Rovers)


If Seeded
Norway - Molde
Northern Ireland - Linfield
Wales – TNS
Iceland - KR Reykjavík
Estonia - Flora Tallinn
Faroe Islands - Tórshavn


Pats and Bohs Seeded in Round 1 of the europa league.

Bohs and Sligo unseeded in round 2.
There are 80 teams in round 2. Pats have the very last seeding spot as it stands. Will only know for definite when all the leagues end.

[Dodge]

Pats in Rd 2 are in a similar enough position as Rovers. Need a couple of things to fall their way from 10 leagues. Among them are the opposit to Rovers (ie Pats want Sheriff to win league in Moldova and Zestafoni to win in Georgia). Would help if St Johnston pick up last Scottish spot