European Football 2012

[nigel-harps1954]

Agreed, I think Bohs were very poor on the night. They've surely been better this season, especially against Shamrock Rovers? Call it jetlag or inexperience, but it was just a very poor performance.
Let's hope the 3 teams do the job in the coming week to restore a bit of faith in the league.

[SkStu]

is it safe to come back yet?

TBWRA

[Acornvilla]

Feck off Stu, this is all your fault!

[Dodge]

Humiliating a night as it was for Bohs,and taking into account the young inexperienced we fielded, I do think the result is areflection on the relative standard of the league at present.
It's a reflection on the 6th or 7th best team. Don't forget it's a technicality that Bohs are there ahead of Derry

This is no more a reflection of the league than Rovers qualifying for group stages was. Freak results happen. Sometimes bad (Zimbru, Carmarthen, Gornik, Hibs, TNS), sometimes good (Zagreb, Krylya, Belgrade etc etc)

That's football. Not every single game has a deeper meaning. Sometimes teams just play ****

[Dalymountrower]

It's a reflection on the 6th or 7th best team. Don't forget it's a technicality that Bohs are there ahead of Derry

This is no more a reflection of the league than Rovers qualifying for group stages was. Freak results happen. Sometimes bad (Zimbru, Carmarthen, Gornik, Hibs, TNS), sometimes good (Zagreb, Krylya, Belgrade etc etc)

That's football. Not every single game has a deeper meaning. Sometimes teams just play ****

Fair enough , I was just trying to shift the agenda, fair cop, done up like an Icelandic kipper:o

[Nah Nah Nah Nah]

Agreed, I think Bohs were very poor on the night. They've surely been better this season, especially against Shamrock Rovers? Call it jetlag or inexperience, but it was just a very poor performance.
Let's hope the 3 teams do the job in the coming week to restore a bit of faith in the league.

Jetlag?! They only went up to Iceland

[nigel-harps1954]

Jetlag?! They only went up to Iceland

They could have went via Russia sure.

[dfx-]

How? Pats progressed past a much superior team on the same night. They're more a reflection of the league than a poor Bohs side.

Pats lost away from home again. At some stage, they have to be looking for performances away fromhome. Rovers' success and to set up the big ties were not losing at home, but winning outright on the night away in Tel Aviv and Belgrade. The away games were much closer in the group stage than the home games too...

[gufcfan]

They could have went via Russia sure.

It's only 3 hours for christ sake and they're in the same time-zone. There's loads of flights this time of year through London. Surely they went that way?

[Nah Nah Nah Nah]

It's only 3 hours for christ sake and they're in the same time-zone. There's loads of flights this time of year through London. Surely they went that way?

I would like to think that Nigel was extracting the urine

[gufcfan]

I would like to think that Nigel was extracting the urine
It's too early in the morning for this ****! Apologies.

[Dodge]

Pats lost away from home again. At some stage, they have to be looking for performances away fromhome. Rovers' success and to set up the big ties were not losing at home, but winning outright on the night away in Tel Aviv and Belgrade. The away games were much closer in the group stage than the home games too...

Pats played poorly the other night. They went to win, they just didn't. Generally speaking Rovers have played most of the big euro 1st leg games at home, so knew what to do away. Generally speaking Pats have played most of our big 1st legs away. So the conditions and objectives are different.

With 7 ties won in the last 10 efforts, I don't think the Pats mentality can be questioned too loudly

[sligoman]

Spartak Trnava are starting their league season this evening (6.30pm k/o) against MFK Kosice, might be a stream for it later if anyone wants to check them out.

[PartySaint]

We were poor on Thursday night, we only picked up our game and started putting a few passes together when we went 2-0 down. The aim was to get through and we did that. Job done.

[nigel-harps1954]

It's too early in the morning for this ****! Apologies.

Oh dear. Easy on the sauce next time mate ;)

[geysir]

We were poor on Thursday night, we only picked up our game and started putting a few passes together when we went 2-0 down. The aim was to get through and we did that. Job done.
Too much is being read into different performances home and and away for either team. It's an aggregrate score that gets a team through, a team sets out its stall at home, in the first leg don't concede and grab a goal. Pats managed that and sought to keep that advantage in the away game. The strange quirk is, if IBV didn't score that second goal, the tie was more likely to go to penalties.

The second leg ended at 1-0 for IBV after 90 minutes, the game ends and goes into ET, say if in ET, Pats scored just one goal and the game finished on that score, would IBV have been regarded as the winners of the 2nd leg to get the coefficient points just as Pats got the the coefficient points after the first game?

[pineapple stu]

The strange quirk is, if IBV didn't score that second goal, the tie was more likely to go to penalties.
Not exactly a profound statement given that once IBV scored the second goal, penalties were impossible.

[geysir]

Not exactly a profound statement given that once IBV scored the second goal, penalties were impossible.
I didn't claim profoundness as it's obvious that an away goal matters, just strange in the context of a game when the away goal comes after the home team goes 2 up, everything swings back to the away team. Maybe every event when it happens makes perfect sense to you, but not to me.
When that short lived ET golden rule was in vogue, it was an eerie event when the golden goal was scored.

[Dodge]

The second leg ended at 1-0 for IBV after 90 minutes, the game ends and goes into ET, say if in ET, Pats scored just one goal and the game finished on that score, would IBV have been regarded as the winners of the 2nd leg to get the coefficient points just as Pats got the the coefficient points after the first game?

Well IBV won 2-1 so they get the co-efficient point anyway

The result after extra time is the result that counts (eg Rovers were credited with a win in Belgrade even though it finished 1-1 after 90 minutes)

[sligoman]

Stream for Trnava's first league game here http://live.huste.tv/

0-0 after 50mins

[Acornvilla]

http://www.extratime.ie/newsdesk/articles/8502/who-are-fk-ekranas/

Probably worth a read.

[Charlie Darwin]

What do Sligo fans think of your chances? I don't think you look half as good as you did last season but with North you seem to be able to eek goals out. So, oddly, I'd expect you to be more prepared for Europe this year than last.

[sligoman]

What do Sligo fans think of your chances? I don't think you look half as good as you did last season but with North you seem to be able to eek goals out. So, oddly, I'd expect you to be more prepared for Europe this year than last.I agree we don't seem to be playing as well as last season but we're getting results this time. Hard to know what these are like, this is their first league game and apparently they haven't looked great. The team they're playing finished 2nd from bottom last year (of course they may have improved since then, no idea) so mightn't be a good start for them if they don't win.

The good news is the heat is expected to drop in Slovakia this week, was up in the 30's last week, 19 to mid 20's and maybe some rain this week coming so hopefully gives us a better chance at it.

[gufcfan]

http://www.extratime.ie/newsdesk/articles/8502/who-are-fk-ekranas/

Probably worth a read.
Should have called it "So who the FK are Ekranas?"

[dfx-]

With 7 ties won in the last 10 efforts, I don't think the Pats mentality can be questioned too loudly

Not at the 2nd qualifying round level, no. But if you're losing in Iceland twice and Kazakhstan, then the next level up will always be the end of the road.

[geysir]

I agree we don't seem to be playing as well as last season but we're getting results this time. Hard to know what these are like, this is their first league game and apparently they haven't looked great. The team they're playing finished 2nd from bottom last year (of course they may have improved since then, no idea) so mightn't be a good start for them if they don't win.

The good news is the heat is expected to drop in Slovakia this week, was up in the 30's last week, 19 to mid 20's and maybe some rain this week coming so hopefully gives us a better chance at it.

I saw the Slovak league champs Zilina last year when they came to Iceland and they looked ordinary. They looked as if they were still in pre-season mode and they got hammered.
I'd say you have a 50/50 chance, depends on the first leg result because you'll beat them in Sligo.

[A N Mouse]

Not at the 2nd qualifying round level, no. But if you're losing in Iceland twice and Kazakhstan, then the next level up will always be the end of the road.

One swallow does not a summer make

[Dave_SRFC]

One swallow does not a summer make

Thanks for that yoda.

[A N Mouse]

Thanks for that yoda.

Actually that's usually attributed to Aristotle.

Moving a verb doesn't make it yoda. Just like last season doesn't make you experts on europe.

IF you're looking for some wisdom from yoda try this, its apropos to seeking a second european win in tallaght.

Do or do not, there is no try.

[dfx-]

One swallow does not a summer make

Both of Rovers big wins in Europe have come from winning outright on the night away from home. Their best performances in the group stages were away from home, in the lead in London, equaliser in Greece and equaliser in Kazan. There's no surprise that the team that does well away from home has a fighting chance. I'm not including Flora..

When you keep going 3-0 down to Lviv and Krylya and 2-0 down in Iceland and losing in Kazakhstan, 2-0 down to Hertha Berlin, that team doesn't get far.

Like Rovers on Tuesday won't be going far..

[Dave_SRFC]

Actually that's usually attributed to Aristotle.

Moving a verb doesn't make it yoda. Just like last season doesn't make you experts on europe.

IF you're looking for some wisdom from yoda try this, its apropos to seeking a second european win in tallaght.

Do or do not, there is no try.


Sorry Aristotle not know do I, only Yoda.

[PartySaint]

Not at the 2nd qualifying round level, no. But if you're losing in Iceland twice and Kazakhstan, then the next level up will always be the end of the road.

Both games in Iceland were in the first round. Kazaksthan was in the second round and so was our game in Russia

Also in the second round we drew to Elfsborg.

Other first rounds away games were a win in Malta and a win in Lativa.

IBV (once), Karagandy and Elfsborg were all away first so aim was just to keep in close and stay in the tie, job done.

Rovers were only away once first in their recent European qualifying games and lost that one..

*By second round, I mean round we played in second. Was known as 3rd round in some years.

[Dodge]

Not at the 2nd qualifying round level, no. But if you're losing in Iceland twice and Kazakhstan, then the next level up will always be the end of the road.

We've played in the 2nd qualify round twice since the new Europa League and won both ties. In the away legs we won 1-0 (2nd leg), lost 2-1 (first leg)

In the previous UEFA Cup we won away the first round and drew 2-2 in the 2nd round (both first legs)

So as 2nd rounds go we're ok

[Dodge]

http://www.bhrt.ba/lat/?p=39&n=19.7.2012

Pats live on Bosnian TV on Thursday

[nigel-harps1954]

http://www.bhrt.ba/lat/?p=39&n=19.7.2012

Pats live on Bosnian TV on Thursday

Will Pats have their own commentary going?

[Dodge]

Will Pats have their own commentary going?

He's going arlight. Probably won't bother if there's definitely going to be a stream

[Dodge]

Pats making history by becoming the first Irish side to play a team from Bosnia in Europe.

Sligo are the second side to play in Slovakia. Pats lost 5-3 on agg to Slovan Bratislava in 1996

Bosnia will join Armenia, Albania, Kazakhstan, Liechtenstein, Moldova and San Marino as countries with one tie against Irish opposition.

That leave Andorra, Azerbaijan, Faroes, Georgia and Montenegro as the only current UEFA members never to have played LOI opposition

Dinamo Tblisisi (Georgia) played Waterford in 1980 as part of the USSR

Any euro stat question you have, ask away

[gufcfan]

Any euro stat question you have, ask away
What is the overall W/D/L - F/A stat for Irish teams in Europe?

Get cracking. ;)

[nigel-harps1954]

He's going arlight. Probably won't bother if there's definitely going to be a stream

Would be kinda handy though having some commentary we could understand. ;P

[Dodge]

What is the overall W/D/L - F/A stat for Irish teams in Europe?

Get cracking. ;)

Played 467 Won 83 Drew 97 Lost 287 Scored 372 Conceded 946

In knock out ties we've won 52 and lost 172

next ;)

[bennocelt]

next ;)


Which LOI player has scored the most euro goals (excluding intertwobobcup)?

[Dodge]

Which LOI player has scored the most euro goals (excluding intertwobobcup)?

Not a clue. I'd guess Jason Byrne.

Pats is Fabio O'Brien with 4

[forza]

Apologies for posting this in here, no Pats forum at the minute so mods please feel free to move.

Any Pats fans arriving into Split Thursday morning, 2 bodies confirmed for a potential car pool to Bosnia it works out about €30 per head returning Friday, get in touch with me ASAP

C

Ps site listed in the off topic not working lads.

[PartySaint]

Apologies for posting this in here, no Pats forum at the minute so mods please feel free to move.

Any Pats fans arriving into Split Thursday morning, 2 bodies confirmed for a potential car pool to Bosnia it works out about €30 per head returning Friday, get in touch with me ASAP

C

Ps site listed in the off topic not working lads.

Saintsforum.net back working again Forza

[desaintsno.12]

Saintsforum.net back working again Forza

gone again

[placid casual]

Ekranas are 4/1 to beat Rovers tomorrow. Lump on.

[Acornvilla]

didn't that thing on extratime say they sold 3 of their best players, so I wouldn't be mad about lumping on them at all, rovers will be very up for the game you would imagine so anything can happen.

[Dodge]

There's the ekranes squad there
http://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/season=2013/clubs/club=59035/squad/index.html

Padded with youth team members

[gufcfan]

There's the ekranes squad there
http://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/season=2013/clubs/club=59035/squad/index.html

Padded with youth team members

The guy I was gonna say looks the most dangerous for them isn't even on that list.

Thought Ekranas' odds were far too long, but maybe they're not that far off after all.

They have a pretty nice club channel FKE TV. Video (http://www.fketv.lt/reportazai-ir-interviu/reportazai/fk-ekranas-dubline-rungtyniu-su-shamrock-rovers-isvakares12665) of their session in Tallaght today. Agree completely with the voiceover guy.

Looking at the stats there, they have a good few still with a fair amount of European experience... Gleveckas, Dedura, Samusiovas, Kučys, Tomkevičius, Kavaliauskas and Varnas have played over 150 games in Europe between them.

[dfx-]

didn't that thing on extratime say they sold 3 of their best players, so I wouldn't be mad about lumping on them at all, rovers will be very up for the game you would imagine so anything can happen.

Seriously lump on...drifting to 5/1