European Football 2012

[Dodge]

Pats in Rd 2 are in a similar enough position as Rovers. Need a couple of things to fall their way from 10 leagues. Among them are the opposit to Rovers (ie Pats want Sheriff to win league in Moldova and Zestafoni to win in Georgia). Would help if St Johnston pick up last Scottish spot

First of the 10 things has happened. No Dinamo Minsk in europe next year is good for Pats.

[Dodge]

Pats and Bohs confirm they've received their Euro license. Presume Sligo and Rovers have too, but haven't seen any confirmation

[punkrocket]

Update on the Europa League.

Bohs and Pats will both be seeded in Round 1. Going on previous semi regional posts we'll face one of these sides IMO. Listed in order of ranking, teams in bold have definitely qualified.

EB/Streymur - Faroes
FK Šiauliai - Lithuania
JJK ( Jyväskylä) - Finland
Cliftonville Northern Ireland
Daugava Daugavpils - Latvia
Llanelli - Wales
Crusaders - Northern Ireland
Jeunesse d'Esch - Luxembourg
Žalgiris (Vilnius) - Lithuania
IBV- Iceland
Trans (Narva) - Estonia
Por Akureyri - Iceland
Kalju (Tallinn) - Estonia
NSÍ Runavík - Faroes
Portadown - Northern Ireland
CS Grevenmacher - Luxembourg
Víkingur - Faroes
Cefn Druids - Wales

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Depending on a few results, Pats may be seeded in Round 2. We'll know within a month. Bohs and Sligo won't be.

Rovers may be seeded in CL. They need one of Sheriff Tiraspol in Mildova or Zestafoni in Georgia to not win their league. Pats would like the opposit for round EL 2 seeding

Coleraine can still overtake either Portadown or Cliftonville if they win on Saturday
As it stands;
Cliftonville 69 pts 24 gd
Portadown 68 pts 24 gd
Coleraine 66 pts 24 gd

Cliftonville v Portadown
Crusaders v Coleraine
So depending on the outcome of Clif/Ports a victory for Coleraine over Crusaders will get them up to 3rd. A draw will see Portadown losing out by whatever GD Coleraine can manage.

With Linfield strolling it again this year it keeps a bit of interest going till the end.

[PartySaint]

Good weekend for Rovers in terms of their chances of being seeded.

Dacia are still 1 point ahead in Moldova with 5 games to go

Metalurgi Rustavi are now 2 points ahead in Georgia with 5 games to go

Korona Kielce are now only 2 points off top with 2 games to go in Poland but there are 4 teams ahead of them so not looking likely that they will win the league

[punkrocket]

Coleraine blew it against Crusaders on Saturday so it will be Portadown and Cliftonville after all.
Should have known better than to doubt Dodge's take on things.

[JC_GUFC]

Not sure if it's been mentioned, but I've been informed by my brother, who has a bit of a knack for all things co-efficients, that Rovers won't be seeded if Chelsea win the Champions League.

Edit: Actually, it's not as simple as that, he tells me. Why did I think co-efficients could be simple?

If Bayern win the CL it means that the group stage spot for the runners-up in Germany will be vacated.

I imagine this place will be filled as follows:

Belgian Champions will enter the group stage.

Swiss Champions enter Champions 3rd Round Qualification

The Champions of N Ireland and Malta would enter Champions 2nd Qualification

There would only be 4 teams in the Champions 1st Qualification.

This would mean that one of the seeded teams in the 2nd qualifying round (FC Basel) wouldn't be there any more so Rovers would move up one spot.

If Chelsea win the CL, England won't get their final qualifying spot.

I imagine this place will be filled as follows:

3rd Place in Portugal and 2nd in Russia enter the 4th QR For Non=Champions.

Leaving only 8 teams in the 3rd QR for Non-Champions.

Having no impact at all on Rovers.

In the first instance, Bayern winning the CL, Rovers would only need one of Dacia, Rustavi or Korona to win the league. In the cast of Chelsea winning the CL they would need 2 or those to happen.

[bennocelt]

bert has this up now - this should keep my busy for a few hours!
http://kassiesa.home.xs4all.nl/bert/uefa/seedel2012.html

edit - as Dodge said- yeah Boh and Pats will be seeded. Fancy that C Druids Welsh team?

[Bawnville Hoop]

If Bayern win the CL it means that the group stage spot for the runners-up in Germany will be vacated.

I imagine this place will be filled as follows:

Belgian Champions will enter the group stage.

Swiss Champions enter Champions 3rd Round Qualification

The Champions of N Ireland and Malta would enter Champions 2nd Qualification

There would only be 4 teams in the Champions 1st Qualification.

This would mean that one of the seeded teams in the 2nd qualifying round (FC Basel) wouldn't be there any more so Rovers would move up one spot.

If Chelsea win the CL, England won't get their final qualifying spot.

I imagine this place will be filled as follows:

3rd Place in Portugal and 2nd in Russia enter the 4th QR For Non=Champions.

Leaving only 8 teams in the 3rd QR for Non-Champions.

Having no impact at all on Rovers.

In the first instance, Bayern winning the CL, Rovers would only need one of Dacia, Rustavi or Korona to win the league. In the cast of Chelsea winning the CL they would need 2 or those to happen.

JC you have no idea how hard it is to explain all that in 2 lines :)

Last year Barcelona winning bumped every team up 1 in the champions round. The same will happen this year only if bayern win.

I have my guess on Moldova and Georgia to go Rovers way anyway. Our seeding could be known as early as 2 weeks.

[Bawnville Hoop]

bert has this up now - this should keep my busy for a few hours!
http://kassiesa.home.xs4all.nl/bert/uefa/seedel2012.html

edit - as Dodge said- yeah Boh and Pats will be seeded. Fancy that C Druids Welsh team?

Incase it hasn't been mentioned. The first round is regionalised. Northern, Middle, Southern.

[bennocelt]

Incase it hasn't been mentioned. The first round is regionalised. Northern, Middle, Southern.

Are you sure, Bert seems to think not?

[Dodge]

Are you sure, Bert seems to think not?

They're not called regions but for the last couple of years the groups were very much, eh, alligned...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011%E2%80%9312_UEFA_Europa_League_qualifying_phas e_and_play-off_round#Seeding
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010%E2%80%9311_UEFA_Europa_League_qualifying_phas e_and_play-off_round#Seeding

The year before that was the first year of the new Europa League and was completely random, but apparently there was a backlash about that. They won't call them regions, because they want to keep their options open to keep the sme amount of seeded/unseeded in all groups. So last year The 10 Northern seeds came from Ireland (Pats), Sweden x 2, Norway x 2, England, Iceland, Finland, Wales and, eh, Macedonia. The 10 unseeded teams came from Northern Ireland x 2, Faroes x 2, Luxembourg x 2, Latvia, Estonia, Iceland and Wales. Of those countries, Macedonia had another seed in a different group (cental/eastern) and Estonia and Lithuania had unseeded in that same group.

Once again its liekly the 3 fair play spots will be from 'Northern' countries. At the moment I'm confident Pats/Bohs will get one of these...

EB/Streymur Faroes
FK Šiauliai Lithuania
JJK ( Jyväskylä) Finland
Cliftonville Northern Ireland
Daugava Daugavpils Latvia
Llanelli Wales
Crusaders Northern Ireland
Jeunesse d'Esch Luxembourg
Žalgiris (Vilnius) Lithuania
IBV Iceland
Trans (Narva) Estonia
Por Akureyri (1st Div) Iceland
Kalju (Tallinn) Estonia
NSÍ Runavík Faroes
Portadown Northern Ireland
CS Grevenmacher Luxembourg
Víkingur Faroes
Cefn Druids Wales

Only those in bold haven't been confirmed. if a fair play qualifier comes from the lieks of Finland or maybe Norway, they'd be added to this

[Dodge]

Also the league's co-efficient is based on 2007/08 to 2011/12. Our ranking is 7.375

The contributions to that are
Pats - 2.791
Drogheda -1.5
Rovers - 1.125
Derry - 0.667
Bohs -0.5
Dundalk- 0.375
Sligo - 0.25
Cork - 0.167
Fingal - 0

[Bawnville Hoop]

I think it will be regionalised in the 1st round for sure as it goes out the window for the other rounds (due to the 2nd draw being made during the 1st round ties).

I am 90% sure the following will be the teams in the Champions league 2nd round (Northern region)

Seeded:
Belarus - Bate Borisov
Poland - Legia Warsaw
Sweden - Helsingborg
Finland - Helsinki
Latvia - FK Ventspils
Ireland - Shamrock Rovers

Unseeded:

Norway - Molde
Northern Ireland - Linfield
Wales – TNS
Iceland - KR Reykjavík
Estonia - Flora Tallinn
Faroe Islands - Tórshavn

[A N Mouse]

Once again its liekly the 3 fair play spots will be from 'Northern' countries. At the moment I'm confident Pats/Bohs will get one of these...


Dodge,

slightly unclear what you meant by above, but UCD would be our fair play representives (as usual) - an extra team to further dilute the co-efficient. In the provisional rankings from January the Republic of Ireland were ranked 14th.

[PartySaint]

Dodge,

slightly unclear what you meant by above, but UCD would be our fair play representives (as usual) - an extra team to further dilute the co-efficient. In the provisional rankings from January the Republic of Ireland were ranked 14th.

2 different sentences. So. Fair Play team will come from a Northern Country.

Then, Pats/Bohs will get one of the teams listed below in the First Round

[Dodge]

Dodge,

slightly unclear what you meant by above, but UCD would be our fair play representives (as usual) - an extra team to further dilute the co-efficient. In the provisional rankings from January the Republic of Ireland were ranked 14th.

Party saint has it spot on. I expect the 3 FP spots to go to the Northenr countries. In the last rankings the top 4 were; Norway, Finland, Holland and Iceland.

If somehow Ireland got the spot, UCD would get the place (FAI have announced this). And yeah, our joint co-efficient would be divided by 5 instead of 4 because of that. UCD wouldn't be seeded

The Pats/Bohs bit just meant that I think we'll still get one of the teams listed, with the caveat that if the FP spot are awarded to Finland, iceland etc we could get that representative too

[A N Mouse]

Party saint has it spot on. I expect the 3 FP spots to go to the Northenr countries. In the last rankings the top 4 were; Norway, Finland, Holland and Iceland.

If somehow Ireland got the spot, UCD would get the place (FAI have announced this). And yeah, our joint co-efficient would be divided by 5 instead of 4 because of that. UCD wouldn't be seeded

The Pats/Bohs bit just meant that I think we'll still get one of the teams listed, with the caveat that if the FP spot are awarded to Finland, iceland etc we could get that representative too

Apologies. I'd like to blame the drink.

Course I noticed the list after I posted (nothing to do with partysaint :p ). No idea how I thought the second sentence refered to the first.

EDIT
Have the rankings ever changed between january and the end of the season? Or how unlikely is it that ucd will be in europe?

[Dodge]

Well Ireland was 13th, so we'd need to over take 10. I thinmk thats unlikely. Can't see how the summer nations would change too much since then so we'd still be behind, at least, Norway, Finland and Iceland. I'm mostly guessing though as I haven't really followed it

[Dodge]

Actually, just had a quick look there.

http://www.uefa.com/MultimediaFiles/Download/uefaorg/General/01/58/64/67/1586467_DOWNLOAD.pdf

At the intermediate point in 2010/11 (ie 31 dec 2010) the top 10 were

Norway
England
Sweden
Ireland
Germany
Denmark
Iceland
Finland
Spain
France



http://www.uefa.com/MultimediaFiles/Download/generic/General/01/63/07/90/1630790_DOWNLOAD.pdf

When the final rankings published, the top 10 read


Norway
England
Sweden
Denmark
Iceland
Germany
Ireland
Finland
Holland
France

So the top 3 stayed the same and we actually dropped 3 places. You can the top ten at the this seaosn intermediate point here;
http://www.uefa.com//MultimediaFiles/Download/uefaorg/Respect/01/74/16/83/1741683_DOWNLOAD.pdf

Norway
Finland
Holland
Iceland
Spain
Germany
France
Sweden
England
Denmark

Spain the only country with realistic chance of breaking the 'Northern' monopoly

[DaveyCakes]

Good weekend for Rovers in terms of their chances of being seeded.

Dacia are still 1 point ahead in Moldova with 5 games to go

Metalurgi Rustavi are now 2 points ahead in Georgia with 5 games to go

Korona Kielce are now only 2 points off top with 2 games to go in Poland but there are 4 teams ahead of them so not looking likely that they will win the league

Sheriff have overtaken Dacia in Moldova...2 points clear with 4 matches left

[PartySaint]

Only saw tonight that that is good news for Pats. Happy Days

[SkStu]

Only saw tonight that that is good news for Potts. Happy Days

Fixed.

[A N Mouse]

Fixed.

eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeehhhh!

[redobit]

The NerdOmeter must go off the scale for this thread. :D :cool:

[Dodge]

The NerdOmeter must go off the scale for this thread. :D :cool:

yeah, all the cool kids just post snipy messages on internet forums

[redobit]

yeah, and nerds always think a post is a snipe when actually it was more like an approval :cool:

[Dodge]

So you admit you're a nerd then. We're all agreed.

[redobit]

Haha. Na, Im the cool kid, youre the one who thought the post was a snipe. lol

[JayC90]

Metalurgi Rustavi came from 2-1 behind to win 3-2 against Merani Martvili earlier today, while Zestafoni have just lost 1-0 to Dinamo Tbilisi after conceding a goal in the last minute. This leaves Rustavi 5 points ahead with 4 games left and firmly in the driving seat ahead of their home tie against Zestafoni on Sunday i.e. good for Rovers.

[Bawnville Hoop]

Metalurgi Rustavi came from 2-1 behind to win 3-2 against Merani Martvili earlier today, while Zestafoni have just lost 1-0 to Dinamo Tbilisi after conceding a goal in the last minute. This leaves Rustavi 5 points ahead with 4 games left and firmly in the driving seat ahead of their home tie against Zestafoni on Sunday i.e. good for Rovers.

It is great news. If they win it and Bayern win the final we don't need to rely on Moldova (or any other league for that sake.)

Zestafoni are bottling it worse than Rovers run in 2010!

[bennocelt]

http://kassiesa.nl/uefa/forum/view.php?topic=20120422152046.xml&PHPSESSID=ab18ae0c13f84389c995b98f3b81a84f
interesting discussion on pats seeding prospects in rd 2

also - see Heerenveen in Holland might prefer too lose their last game for el qualif!!

[Dodge]

thats me on there.

I think Pats have it pretty much wrapped up. I thought we need maybe 2, defo 3 of ten things to happen. 2 have already happen.

Here's an update;

1. Moldova – Sheriff Tiraspol win the league (ahead of dacia) - Currently 2 point ahead, 4 games left

2. Macedonia – Rabotnicki (5.633) don’t win the Cup. beaten in cup yesterday :)

3. Georgia – Dila win Cup or Zestafoni (4.733) to win league. Dila (1.733) would qualify as rup runners up. - Looks like Zestafoni will win league (see bawnville's post,) so a Dila cup win would be needed

4. Scotland – St Johnston (4.228) finish 5th (or 6th if Hearts win cup) - between Hearts/St jonstone for league placing IMO

5. Israel – Bnei Sakhnin get the euro spots through the league (currently Currently 7th, but 2nd7th covered by 3 points) -

6. Czech – Dukla prague (4.040) finish 4th and Sparta Prague win cup - Sparta lost cup final :(

7. Bulgaria – Lokomotiv Plovdiv (2.850) win Cup/finish 4th. Currently 5th, in cup final

8. Poland – Korona Kielce (3.983) finish 4th ahead of Lech Poznan 22.483 or Slask Wroclaw 5.483 - Last games this weekend. Korona 4th

9. Slovakia – Zilinia win the league - top by 2 points, 4 games left

10. No more than 2 of the fair pla spots are seeded above 4.975

[bennocelt]

thats me on there.


I figured that:)
Keep up the good work............

[Bawnville Hoop]

Just to confirm Hungary aswell dodge, Gyori Eto are banned from europe. Videoton next (ranked lower than you)

Rustavi (4.233) could more or less have the league in georgia on Sunday should they beat Zestafoni at home.

Also, if Chelsea win the champions league and finish outside the top 4 there will be no Round 3 spot in the europa league (Liverpool in 4th round, no Europe for 5th place).
This will 'bump' every team up one meaning you will need one less team to rely on.

[Dodge]

Yeah, but I think Hungary is certain. I just listed some of the ones that could go either way.

[DaveyCakes]

Fair play spots are
Norway (Stabaek -4.935)
Finland (MyPa-47) - 2.826)
Netherlands (???)

[Hibs4Ever]

Fair play spots are
Norway (Stabaek -4.935)
Finland (MyPa-47) - 2.826)
Netherlands (???)


Excelsior expected to get Dutch spot

[A N Mouse]

Excelsior expected to get Dutch spot

Is that dependent on who wins the play-off for the last europa league spot?

[Dodge]

Unlikely to be excelsior/ here's the ranking before yesterday's games
http://bin617-02.website-voetbal.nl/sites/voetbal.nl/files/FP_stand_per_04052012.pdf

Twente, Den Bosch and Go Ahead Eagles ahead of excelsor. All wll be seeded in rounds 1 and 2.

[Dodge]

Edit; http://bin617-02.website-voetbal.nl/sites/voetbal.nl/files/Fairplay%20klassement%20eindstand%20seizoen%201112 .pdf

Final ranking there.

Twente will still prefer to qualify via their play offs

[nigel-harps1954]

Excelsior expected to get Dutch spot

Al Gore gives his thumbs up.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GFcFKGNa3I

[Charlie Darwin]

Unlikely to be excelsior/ here's the ranking before yesterday's games
http://bin617-02.website-voetbal.nl/sites/voetbal.nl/files/FP_stand_per_04052012.pdf

Twente, Den Bosch and Go Ahead Eagles ahead of excelsor. All wll be seeded in rounds 1 and 2.
We should cheer on all the Irish teams in Europe: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=1138

[Real ale Madrid]

We should cheer on all the Irish teams in Europe: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=1138

Ah yes - the original reason for the opening of the now legendry "Barstool Facepalm" thread.....

[bullit]

Ah yes - the original reason for the opening of the now legendry "Barstool Facepalm" thread.....

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056611588


Any point in keeping this place open, hasnt been posted in for a year


Burn it. Awful idea from the get go.


We're just going through a rough patch but we'll be back in force next season and this place will be thriving again.


I said this when it was started, move the superthread from the main forum and the interest started to wain immediately.


It just rooted out the barstoolers and left the real dyed in the wool Eagles fans to discuss the team. No loss really.

http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/mother-of-god-meme.jpg



(http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056611588)

[Dodge]

For the sole reason of calling their bluff, its a shame we can't them.

[dfx-]

Ah yes - the original reason for the opening of the now legendry "Barstool Facepalm" thread.....

I thought it was the "Rovers away" thread on the Spurs supporters forum..

[Real ale Madrid]

I thought it was the "Rovers away" thread on the Spurs supporters forum..


http://foot.ie/threads/144185-Barstool-facepalm?p=1425808&viewfull=1#post1425808

[Dodge]

Following weekend results, its almost certain that Pats will be seeded for Round 2 aswell as round 1. Bohs will be seeded for Round 1. Bohs and Sligo won't be seeded for Round 2

In the Champions League, Rovers seeding boils down to 3 things. They need 2 of these to happen
1) bayern win the CL
2) Metalurg Rustuvi win the Gerogian League. 2 points ahead of Zestafoni, 3 games left
3) Dacia win the Moldovan League. 4 points behind Sheriff. 3 games left

[BonnieShels]

http://foot.ie/threads/144185-Barstool-facepalm?p=1425808&viewfull=1#post1425808

And then there's the beautiful moment the Spiritual home of Irish soccer was born...

http://foot.ie/threads/144185-Barstool-facepalm?p=1426717&viewfull=1#post1426717


On topic though... I now have another reason to support Bayern... not like this was not reason enough...

http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01148/Terry_1148193a.jpg

[Bawnville Hoop]

In the Champions League, Rovers seeding boils down to 3 things. They need 2 of these to happen
1) bayern win the CL
2) Metalurg Rustuvi win the Gerogian League. 2 points ahead of Zestafoni, 3 games left
3) Dacia win the Moldovan League. 4 points behind Sheriff. 3 games left

You can add in Bulgaria. If CSKA draw or lose one of their next 2 games they play their final game away to ludogorets knowing a loss will give Ludogorets the title.

Metalurgi play 3rd and 4th in their next 2, they have to win both simple as..