European Football 2012

[born2bwild]

I think it's time for Brennan to get what Brian Kerr calls 'the big hewk'.

[DannyInvincible]

Balls. Looks like game over.

[ifk101]

Must be the end of Kenny now.

[SkStu]

We'll take the last 10 years
03/04 0.33 added
04/05 0.17 added
09/10 0.125 added
10/11 0.25 added
11/12 0.125 added
12/13 0.125 added

Fair to say you haven't really contributed "a fair chunk of the groundwork "

what part of the word "groundwork" did you not understand or why ignore "getting it raised in the first place". Or choose to ignore the fact that i claimed a fair chunk, not "all".

Coefficients were around prior to ten years ago. At no stage did i reference the excellent work done by other clubs, and more rarely Bohs, in the years since to sustain and build on the initial breakthroughs "which subsequently made things a tad easier" for other clubs to sustain a decent coefficient through better seeding and/or draws.

Ill gladly stand by my post.

[oriel]

Must be the end of Kenny now.

Not sure about that, he is on a 3 year contract for a start, if they did go that route would obv need to pay him off. Didnt he get the boot from Bohs for not advancing in Europe, at the time I thought it was a crazy reason.

Rovers better off sticking with him, still a lot of postivies about their club, league probably too far away, but the Cup isn't, either is a return to Europe.

[abcd]

No surprise really. These lads are fairly moderate but Shamrock Rovers haven't been up to the pace of it all season.

Where to now for Rovers? If Kenny is on a long contract can they take the hit to get rid of him or can they risk falling away further and losing vast revenues. They aren't going to improve while Kenny is in charge, he seems all at sea and the players aren't playing for him.

[Spudulika]

Rovers have no one in the middle to put their foot on the ball and take command. It's not unique to them, the Irish national team have the same problem.

[swinfordfc]

2-0 down ...... its poor stuff in fairest

[horton]

Who'd of thought a Dubliner would have a more troubled life in Tallaght than they did in Derry?!:) I know I'm in the minority but I'd love him back at the Brandywell! It looks like Shams will be lucky for no more goals conceded!

[born2bwild]

Rovers have no one in the middle to put their foot on the ball and take command. It's not unique to them, the Irish national team have the same problem.
McCormack, Rice, Turner are supposed to do that kind of thing, aren't they? But definitely- they don't have any command of their possession and seem to be playing far too many aimless diagonals.

[SkStu]

No surprise really. These lads are fairly moderate but Shamrock Rovers haven't been up to the pace of it all season.

...the players aren't playing for him.

dont forget that team is peppered with players that conceded 4 away to TNS and held Bohs to ransom over bonuses in Europe. And a manager that crumbles under the merest hint of expectation. Hardly the most reliable bunch. You reap what you sow Kenny/SRFC. I said from day one when Kenny was appointed that they would all regret it, i didnt think it would be so soon...

[swinfordfc]

Shamrock Rivers have only themselves to blame ... they had 3 golden chances to score in the home leg and they threw them away .... you just cant do that in Europe and they lost over half a million euros for losing tonight .... i think kenny will be gone by friday.

[Spudulika]

Agree completely, even Ronan Finn can play ball, but they don't seem to be able to look up. How many times have the wings been free and they haven't let the ball out. Can't blame the manager, it's just something missing in the players.

[DannyInvincible]

2-1. McCabe with a penalty two minutes into stoppage time after a hand-ball in the box. Another two minutes of stoppage time left to find an equaliser.

[Fester]

2 - 1 now but looks too late.

[DannyInvincible]

Ends 2-1. Disappointing. Sives had a free header from a free-kick at the very end with which he should have done much better, but Rovers left it far too late. Not good enough.

[Fester]

Sham..bolic Rovers out but is Kenny??

[gufcfan]

Terrible to watch.

[Straightstory]

Feels like the bad old days are back again for Irish sides in Europe. Can't see Kenny keeping his job now.

[swinfordfc]

How far does the ireland coefficient has to drop to get into first qualifying round of the champions league?

[legendz]

Hard luck to Shamrock Rovers. They represented the league well last season. Not every year will go to plan. I expressed a fear last year after their qualification success to the EL group stages that they could go out of the opening CL round this year. That's football. It happens. Belgrade had ambitions of being back in group stages when Rovers ended them. Rovers will bounce back from this.

[Stevo Da Gull]

Rovers barely deserved a goal tonight. They looked completely toothless and out of ideas once they went behind, if not long before then. They're stuck in a rut, but they still have the players to mount a title surge if they can get out of it. Hopefully Pats and the other Rovers can put in a better showing, certainly they should be in a better place mentally for their ties.

[swinfordfc]

Hard luck to Shamrock Rovers. They represented the league well last season. Not every year will go to plan. I expressed a fear last year after their qualification success to the EL group stages that they could go out of the opening CL round this year. That's football. It happens. Belgrade had ambitions of being back in group stages when Rovers ended them. Rovers will bounce back from this.

Your right ... they did well last year and yes every year will be different. But they wont win the league this year and might struggle to get into Europe next year. If they get into Europa League 2nd qualifying, they mightn't be seeded?

[legendz]

Feels like the bad old days are back again for Irish sides in Europe. Can't see Kenny keeping his job now.

Qualifiers are knock-out football. We're not always going to get through. The hope is more often than not we will get through so there are going to be years like this where it does not go our way. In 2 or 3 year we could be looking back on '11 did well, '12 knocked out early, '13 get to play-off at least and '14 possible group stage again. At this time it looks bad but as I say if we get through more often than not, when not, there'll be years of disappointment like this we should get over.

I used to think European football was essential for the LoI. It naturally is to a degree but it's a lame excuse I have to admit for people staying away and not getting behind their local club. Enjoy the good days when ye have them. :)

[Dalymountrower]

Jennsen saved them from a 5-1 drubbing tonight.
Standard of LOI football this year is abysmal, hopefully Pats and Sligo can restore some dignity for the league.
I almost feel sorry for Kenny having to share the charter plane home with "supporters" chanting for his dismissal.

[legendz]

Your right ... they did well last year and yes every year will be different. But they wont win the league this year and might struggle to get into Europe next year. If they get into Europa League 2nd qualifying, they mightn't be seeded?
I think they'll win the cup and will recover in the league regards in the top 3.

Jennsen saved them from a 5-1 drubbing tonight.
Standard of LOI football this year is abysmal, hopefully Pats and Sligo can restore some dignity for the league.
I almost feel sorry for Kenny having to share the charter plane home with "supporters" chanting for his dismissal.
Can we always associate the standard of the league to progress in Europe. If Shamrock have nicked a goal from the late free after the penalty, it could've been a different story though not deserved on the night.
I think Rovers will have to stand by Kenny. If their club go down the road of sacking a manger in tough spells like this, they might never progress. While they're in a bad position now, if the recover their season and do well in the cup, their club will be in a better position for it.

All over to Pat's and Sligo Rovers now. I believe Sligo Rovers can win 2-0. It'll be a tough task but they can do it. I'm very hopeful over Pat's as well.

[dong]

I think they'll win the cup and will recover in the league regards in the top 3.

If Shamrock have nicked a goal from the late free after the penalty, it could've been a different story though not deserved on the night.

While they're in a bad position now, if the recover their season and do well in the cup, their club will be in a better position for it.


Not one for stating the obvious are you?


I expressed a fear last year after their qualification success to the EL group stages that they could go out of the opening CL round this year.

Cheers for that Mystic Meg. Can I have a lend of your crystal ball?

[A N Mouse]

How far does the ireland coefficient has to drop to get into first qualifying round of the champions league?

Would you ever change your username to chicken licken!

And for the love of all that's holey...




...stop using, what look like, ellipses

[swinfordfc]

Would you ever change your username to chicken licken!

And for the love of all that's holey...




...stop using, what look like, ellipses

Its a simple question .... if you cant answer ... then don't write anything ... thanks .... i'm curious ... if we get into first qualifying round again, we might win a game. It looks like we are not going to win many this year! Thank god for St Pats down the last few years in fairest

Anyhow hopefully St Pats and Sligo can do something on Thursday

[Sean South]

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[mypost]

Anyhow hopefully St Pats and Sligo can do something on Thursday

It's looking more likely that there will be no club left in Europe by the end of July. A symptom of the quality in the league itself.

[ger121]

It's looking more likely that there will be no club left in Europe by the end of July. A symptom of the quality in the league itself.

I'd say Pats might have something to say about that. Sligo I agree look unlikely to progress.

[TheBoss]

In general, if were to look at the league this season, it does give opinion that standard this season has not been the best. Sligo are winning the league not playing well, Drogheda, a team expected to down in the bottom half are second, Pats are supposedly playing great football are behind Drogheda, Shamrock Rovers are stuggling badly, it does give a perception that the quality of team performances had dropped.

[sheao]

Rovers just did'nt look like scoring until they got the peno. They did'nt cause the Ekranas keeper any trouble all night.

Pats and Sligo are in with a very good chance of progressing from their ties imo. I know Sligo are two goals down but Trnava looked tired near the end of the game last week and in the Showgrouds i am sure if Sligo play to their potential there could be a few goal in them. Key is not to concede, their defence seems to be their weak point as proven by going behind to Bray and Cork.

[Charlie Darwin]

I didn't see the game but I'm not at all surprised by the result. I think most Rovers fans had written this season off long ago. There is some merit in Kenny but he seriously needs to clean out some of the deadwood he signed in February. His rigid adherence to the 442 at the start of the season has really screwed the team up when it was obvious to everyone it would never work.

[paul_oshea]

What i expected, i knew they had missed too many easy chances, especially o'donnell at the end, if even 1 of them had gone in they would be through now. A bit like sligo rovers last year in Ukraine, they could have been leading 2-0 going into the home leg, and played a completely different game.

[legendz]

It's looking more likely that there will be no club left in Europe by the end of July. A symptom of the quality in the league itself.

Is it? I thought it was just us out the LoI circle who based such an emphasis on European progression for the league to have a better standing. If Rovers were heading in the direction of financial trouble like previous champions it'll be bad for the league. From what I've heard, there's been no signs of Rovers gambling that they were going to get through last night. I'm sure ye will bounce back. Belgrade suffered a set-back when ye knocked them out last year. Now ye've a set-back that ye'll have to come back from. I agree with Kenny that ye have to rescue the season and I think ye will.

On tonight's action. Sligo have to win tonight. They are currently top of our league and should be capable of over-turning the 2 goal deficit. If they keep their opponents scoreless and score themselves in the first hour, I'll be confident they'll get the second goal required to get through. Good luck to Pat's as well!

[Bohs11]

Agent Kenny, Powell, Hawkins, Brennan, O'Neill, Turner, Rice, O'Donnell, Greene, Turner and Oman. Your respective missions have been successful. Mission Accomplished. ;)



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[Charlie Darwin]

Agent Kenny, Powell, Hawkins, Brennan, O'Neill, Turner, Rice, O'Donnell, Greene, Turner and Oman. Your respective missions have been successful. Mission Accomplished. ;)
Turner is not just a double but a quadruple agent? Interesting.

[horton]

Charlie whats the mood like on your own MB? everyone calling for Kennys head or do some still have faith in him? many likely to make the trip up here?

[Charlie Darwin]

No idea, I don't read that thing.

[Dalymountrower]

Turner is not just a double but a quadruple agent? Interesting.

also threesomes and fivesomes...you name it!


Anyway, such is the brittle nature of all of the competing clubs this year, if the Hoops put a winning run together in August, both Pats and Sligo could fall apart.

[swinfordfc]

also threesomes and fivesomes...you name it!


Anyway, such is the brittle nature of all of the competing clubs this year, if the Hoops put a winning run together in August, both Pats and Sligo could fall apart.

Big IF ..... they not being playing well for the last month ... something wrong at the club ... needs to be sorted and fast

[SkStu]

or it could be sorted slowly. 2 and a half years-ish maybe?

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[Dodge]

what part of the word "groundwork" did you not understand or why ignore "getting it raised in the first place". Or choose to ignore the fact that i claimed a fair chunk, not "all".

Coefficients were around prior to ten years ago. At no stage did i reference the excellent work done by other clubs, and more rarely Bohs, in the years since to sustain and build on the initial breakthroughs "which subsequently made things a tad easier" for other clubs to sustain a decent coefficient through better seeding and/or draws.

Ill gladly stand by my post.

Fine. Bohs won a total of 2 ties in the period before 2001. In absolutely no way could Bohs be creditted with a 'fair chunk' of Ireland's coefficient. Or anything resembling it.

Not a single Irish side was ever seeded on the basis of Bohs results. Your fine results against Aberdeen, kaiserlautern and Bate were off the books by the time an irish side was seeded. Still want to continue this?

[paul_oshea]

Groundwork could constitute a belief and confidence in other LOI teams, that they were capable of getting good results in Europe.

I'm not suggesting thats what he was saying, but certainly others would have taken notice of the results of Bohs, both inside or outside the league.

[SkStu]

Fine. Bohs won a total of 2 ties in the period before 2001. In absolutely no way could Bohs be creditted with a 'fair chunk' of Ireland's coefficient. Or anything resembling it.

Not a single Irish side was ever seeded on the basis of Bohs results. Your fine results against Aberdeen, kaiserlautern and Bate were off the books by the time an irish side was seeded. Still want to continue this?

just to be clear, im not talking about Ireland's current coefficient. I also think you are having a lot of trouble with the concept of groundwork. Did we or did we not contribute significant points towards the coefficient between 2001 and 2006 and at least equal to that contributed by most Irish teams within that period?

Just because results are "off the books", it doesnt mean that Irish teams didnt gain from them. What about when Pats fine results and performances go "off the books" - do we just consign them as irrelevant because no one is now currently benefitting from them in terms of coefficient? I dont think we should. All results that contribute to a gain in our coefficient should be respected and recognised for what they contributed irregardless of when they occurred or whether or not they have current relevance. Youre just being unneccessarily contrary, as usual.

Pauls post has a lot of validity but its not really what i was saying.


Rovers will win tomorrow

Good call.

[SkStu]

my original post


we did do a fair chunk of the groundwork in getting the Leagues coefficient raised in the first place which subsequently made things a tad easier for our compatriots.

from wikipedia


Between 1998 and 2010, the league's place on the coefficent table rose 15 places, the biggest climb of any league in Europe. Its position of 29th in 2010 was also its highest since 1986.In 1985 its highest position in history was 24th.

to suggest that Bohs results early in that period didnt start or continue the ball rolling (to an extent) or didnt constitute a decent portion of groundwork in the progress of the League is ridiculous.

[Sean South]

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[A N Mouse]

my original post
to suggest that Bohs results early in that period didnt start or continue the ball rolling (to an extent) or didnt constitute a decent portion of groundwork in the progress of the League is ridiculous.


So what you're saying is bohs are to blame for the financial arms race - that saw teams spending money they didn't have, just trying to keep up - which ultimately lead the league to progress to its' current basket case scenario? :D

Credit works both ways :p