Clare Junior Soccer [Archive] - Page 24

4-4-2

13/05/2005, 11:39 AM

[QUOTE=4-4-2]We play in the Clare league did you expect anything else other than confusion

Come on 4-4-2, it's not rocket science. Would you prefer the league to drag on for another week and have no fixture Sunday?
Got it in one its not rocket science so why do the fixtures always seem like someone from another planet came up with them...i play for Olympic and we had the same a week or two ago where we played 2 games with only one day in between them and our lads were tired in the second game, now dont get me wrong this could be an advantage to Olympic come sunday but you have to think past this season and ask the question are the league showing respect to players who give up alot in a season be it work or time with there family's to train and play games during the winter in the muck and S**T and come the end of the season have to plan around fixture's which someone just picks of the top of his head so he can get the season over with...if Connoly were in the playoffs would there be only one days rest...i think not so thats my rant over for the day, feel free to come back and say what a great job he is doing with the fixtures but its the way i and most people i have talked to feel,
P.S are the fixtures made out at the start of the season ,if a fixutre is not fulfilled it should be put to the end of the season if not why is this not in place and published at the start of the season so teams know who and when they play... rant rant rant

gaffer

13/05/2005, 11:53 AM

Newtown confidence appears to be on a high at the moment.
Any predictions for Sunday.
Newtown 2 - 1 Bridge Celtic

oldspice

13/05/2005, 11:55 AM

[QUOTE=Prem Rep!]
Got it in one its not rocket science so why do the fixtures always seem like someone from another planet came up with them...i play for Olympic and we had the same a week or two ago where we played 2 games with only one day in between them and our lads were tired in the second game, now dont get me wrong this could be an advantage to Olympic come sunday but you have to think past this season and ask the question are the league showing respect to players who give up alot in a season be it work or time with there family's to train and play games during the winter in the muck and S**T and come the end of the season have to plan around fixture's which someone just picks of the top of his head so he can get the season over with...if Connoly were in the playoffs would there be only one days rest...i think not so thats my rant over for the day, feel free to come back and say what a great job he is doing with the fixtures but its the way i and most people i have talked to feel,
P.S are the fixtures made out at the start of the season ,if a fixutre is not fulfilled it should be put to the end of the season if not why is this not in place and published at the start of the season so teams know who and when they play... rant rant rant
In a part time amateur league it would be impossible to have a master fixture list published at the start of the season. There are too many variables such as weather, clubs wanting free weekends, not knowing who will survive in the cups etc. If the fixtures were published and then changed, you would always have some club disadvantaged as a result and you can be sure they would complain then with the "master" list to back up their argument. Please bear in mind that Mike Lydon is doing this in his "spare" time with no reward. I actually remember last season hearing people giving out that he wasn't doing his job and at the same time he was trying to care for his father who was dying. The guy is doing a job that no-one else would agree to do. I challenge anyone who thinks they can do a better job to step up to the mark. I have been accused of being too pro Mike Lydon but really why must it be a contest? I happen to think he is doing a good job with very little help (Barry Downes being the one exception).

MadMick

13/05/2005, 12:45 PM

[QUOTE=4-4-2]
In a part time amateur league it would be impossible to have a master fixture list published at the start of the season. There are too many variables such as weather, clubs wanting free weekends, not knowing who will survive in the cups etc. If the fixtures were published and then changed, you would always have some club disadvantaged as a result and you can be sure they would complain then with the "master" list to back up their argument. Please bear in mind that Mike Lydon is doing this in his "spare" time with no reward. I actually remember last season hearing people giving out that he wasn't doing his job and at the same time he was trying to care for his father who was dying. The guy is doing a job that no-one else would agree to do. I challenge anyone who thinks they can do a better job to step up to the mark. I have been accused of being too pro Mike Lydon but really why must it be a contest? I happen to think he is doing a good job with very little help (Barry Downes being the one exception).

Well this is one of the only countries at Amateur level not to have a fixture book, this can generate money through sales and sponsorship, but the main reason is to give everyone a fair idea of the fixtures they have to play, a full fixture book is not actually a difficult thing to produce and can be done in minutes, I agree the weather is a problem and giving teams free weekends to be honest is a joke. For the league to improve then it really must decide what it wants to achieve, as I have said before it should be 3 Divisions but I think that for the good of the game we should be playing the 2 main divisions on a Saturday and the Reserve League on a Sunday!!! Again there was a meeting between four or five prem clubs but nothing has been heard of since, obviously could not agree on anything!!!!

shelbourne1904

13/05/2005, 1:01 PM

[QUOTE=oldspice]

Well this is one of the only countries at Amateur level not to have a fixture book, this can generate money through sales and sponsorship, but the main reason is to give everyone a fair idea of the fixtures they have to play, a full fixture book is not actually a difficult thing to produce and can be done in minutes, I agree the weather is a problem and giving teams free weekends to be honest is a joke. For the league to improve then it really must decide what it wants to achieve, as I have said before it should be 3 Divisions but I think that for the good of the game we should be playing the 2 main divisions on a Saturday and the Reserve League on a Sunday!!! Again there was a meeting between four or five prem clubs but nothing has been heard of since, obviously could not agree on anything!!!!
Some good stuff in what you say,icluding the good work Michael Lydon does,but the rules have been bent to suit GAA clubs including his own and that cannot be allowed to nhappen.
however the Saturday fixtures is totally unrealisdtic because of work culture here.Im amazed how you come to that as a solution???

shelbourne1904

13/05/2005, 1:09 PM

Newtown confidence appears to be on a high at the moment.
Any predictions for Sunday.
Newtown 2 - 1 Bridge Celtic
Newtown are hopelessly inconsistent.How they managed to keep a clean sheet in any match is just by chance but bear in mind that Damien Alford was missing against Corofin due to a family commitment and was playing against Newmarket.

4-4-2

13/05/2005, 1:19 PM

[QUOTE=4-4-2]
In a part time amateur league it would be impossible to have a master fixture list published at the start of the season. There are too many variables such as weather, clubs wanting free weekends, not knowing who will survive in the cups etc. If the fixtures were published and then changed, you would always have some club disadvantaged as a result and you can be sure they would complain then with the "master" list to back up their argument. Please bear in mind that Mike Lydon is doing this in his "spare" time with no reward. I actually remember last season hearing people giving out that he wasn't doing his job and at the same time he was trying to care for his father who was dying. The guy is doing a job that no-one else would agree to do. I challenge anyone who thinks they can do a better job to step up to the mark. I have been accused of being too pro Mike Lydon but really why must it be a contest? I happen to think he is doing a good job with very little help (Barry Downes being the one exception).
Sorry but we are all doing it in our spare time and while im sorry about anyone who has to go throught a loss such as he did i still think it can be done better and a master list as you call it is very easy to do when you just stick to it, players know when and where they are playing and they can plan around it and i agree with madmick( may i burn for doing so ) you could make money from selling it althought i was thinking more along the lines of a web site or print it in the paper

OpenGoal

13/05/2005, 1:27 PM

MadMick

13/05/2005, 1:49 PM

..........................as I have said before it should be 3 Divisions but I think that for the good of the game we should be playing the 2 main divisions on a Saturday and the Reserve League on a Sunday!!! Again there was a meeting between four or five prem clubs but nothing has been heard of since, obviously could not agree on anything!!!!

have to agree with madmick here. saturday football is an excellent idea. Who wants to stay in on a saturday night in their teens/ 20's????[/QUOTE]

Guys thanks for the comments, I feel like a normal person again!!!!!!! So if we have some agreement should we not all pass these comments to our Manager's and Committees of our clubs to put forward to the Clare League. I know I will print this and pass it on for our Club to discuss at our AGM. At the end of the day if we do not change the way things are done they will never change. Role on the Revolution!!!!

Pauliwallnuts

13/05/2005, 1:55 PM

I challenge anyone who thinks they can do a better job to step up to the mark. I have been accused of being too pro Mike Lydon but really why must it be a contest? I happen to think he is doing a good job with very little help (Barry Downes being the one exception).

In fairness using an SQL database with a Stored Procedure you could quite easily do up a fixture list which could be easily modified to cater for free weekends etc. Well thats what I'd do if I were in charge of fixtures.

Simple & straighforward & none of the manual labour. ;)

oldspice

13/05/2005, 2:22 PM

In fairness using an SQL database with a Stored Procedure you could quite easily do up a fixture list which could be easily modified to cater for free weekends etc. Well thats what I'd do if I were in charge of fixtures.

Simple & straighforward & none of the manual labour. ;)

With respect to the IT man, doing up a database is the easiest part of it. It becomes difficult when Clubs come in looking for changes here there and everywhere. Mike Lydon currently tries to accomodate clubs when they give him the requisite notice and really, it's difficult for any club to know at the start of a season when they will want a weekend off. However, if he has prepublished all the fixtures and then a club looks for a particular Sunday (or Saturday if Mick has his way) off, their intended opponents may see it as an opportunity to capitalise and insist the fixture goes ahead. From our own point of view, during the season just gone, we had a few occoasions to look for frees, none of which we could have predicted before the season began. I think a master list would cause more problems than it would solve. Perhaps a compromise would be to give suggested dates and then let the clubs involved organise the games, with the proviso that they have the first 5 games played in August, the next 4 played in September etc. It could be a disaster but could also work if it were carefully monitored. Any comments?

Pauliwallnuts

13/05/2005, 2:53 PM

Is anyone going along to Hogan park tonight ??

Prem Rep!

13/05/2005, 3:07 PM

[QUOTE=oldspice]
Sorry but we are all doing it in our spare time and while im sorry about anyone who has to go throught a loss such as he did i still think it can be done better and a master list as you call it is very easy to do when you just stick to it, players know when and where they are playing and they can plan around it and i agree with madmick( may i burn for doing so ) you could make money from selling it althought i was thinking more along the lines of a web site or print it in the paper

Sorry 4-4-2 didn't mean to be smart earlier with the rocket science comment.

I'm sure there are better ways to formulate fixtures and I am also sure that Mike Lydon has explored these avenues. Don't be fooled, it would be much easier and a lot less work for Mike to generate a yearly fixture list and stick to it but would it get the support of all the clubs. I doubt it as most clubs like to have their 2 free weekend system in play.
Say for example two clubs in the one division apply within the rules for a free weekend on the same weekend. Should that mean that the clubs who they may have been down to play have no game or should they play each other?? Sometimes we have to look at the enviromental and logistical aspects and say that it is easier for a fixtures secretary to organise a league in Ireland and especially Clare with more flexibility or else the league would take 12 mths and not 9.

Madmick, we are struggling for a side tonight but will be ok. Calling a few of the buzzers in.

BallBreaker

13/05/2005, 4:46 PM

Newtown confidence appears to be on a high at the moment.
Any predictions for Sunday.
Newtown 2 - 1 Bridge Celtic

I think it will be a tough match and too close to call,Celtic have some smashing players,if both play to their potential i think it could be one of the games of the season :ball:

Nibzer

13/05/2005, 5:32 PM

3-2to newtown...Lyndsey,Cheeky and James McDade to score the winner :D

BallBreaker

13/05/2005, 5:53 PM

The Newtown/Park Rangers Amalgamation is offically finished,In 8 months there was a lot of hard and good work done,ther was a steering committee from both clubs elected,it came to a head when P Rangers insisted on their ground being the main one for development and junior soccer and Ballycasey be used for schoolboy football,Newtown felt that this was not the right way to go and proposed that we alternate pitches for Juniors until we got an Independent study done and from that decide where the main facility would be.P Rangers rejected this.
Newtown could not understand the logic behind this demand as all things would have to be considered like planning permission and so on before anyone could make that decision,also how could we tell junior players to play at Riverside where they have containers for dressingrooms while the schoolboys would have state of the art dressingrooms with showers,again no logic.
The reason Newtown entered this amalgamation was to improve the standard of soccer in Shannon where we had a dream of bringing national trophies to Shannon,for that dream Newtown do not owe anyone an apology,we have lots of good friends in the Clare league but as a club we had to explore all options open to us and yes we would love Olympic to get promoted to have the real derby back.
I will answer any question that ye may have as honest as i can. :ball: :ball:

Pauliwallnuts

13/05/2005, 6:18 PM

BallBreaker

13/05/2005, 7:31 PM

Can't really understand Parks logic in not wanting to use your facilities.
Bit odd that.

I've heard that there were quite a few in your club that were not happy with this proposed move & if it had gone ahead, they were even considering setting up another club. Any truth in that rumour.

I can't really see how joining with Park would have improved the standard in Shannon. If people are that concerned about playing in the CFL then why not just sign for Park alltogather??

I'm wondering why newtown believed that an amalgamation with Park would have improved the standard in Shannon. Park already have the better players so where is ye're logic ??

I'll answer these as you gave them to me....

Park felt there's were the better facilities.

Yes there were lots of people unhappy about the amalgamation,now i will be looking to these people to bring the club on as they didn't want it to die.There was no way they could set up another club but we may have lost some players to other clubs.

By improving the standard we mean this was 2 big clubs joining together,this would mean the people who run Newtown and also Park speaking from the one book. Part of our plan was to have a schoolboy academy to run all the agegroups from 6 or 7 up with qualified coaches,this would mean you can not take a team unless you have your coaching badge.This would be done over a period of between 5 - 10 years before we would see the improvement.Park haven't the bodies to do this nor have Newtown but together,then there was a chance.Their is not enough kids in Shannon and the surronding areas to go around,i think their is nine clubs within a five mile radius with everyone robbing each other.

If people are honest the Clare league is the worst league in Munster (standard wise) that is why any half decent player with any ambition will play in Limerick and not in Clare,look at parks team,at the moment full of ex Newtown,Bunratty etc,they joined park because they are in the Limerick league,that's why Davy Wall,Mike Malley,Seamie Lawlor,Daryl Eade,David O Grady and so on are all in the Limerick league because of the standard.This New club would have hoped to bring a lot of these back or even if not down the years stopping the exodus that is happening :ball: :ball:

Revolver

13/05/2005, 9:51 PM

Very well put together Ballbreaker.Won't say the Clare league is the worst league but it does highlight something is wrong when all ye're best players are leaving to go and play in Limerick.

The Newtown facilities are second to none and would put a lot of limerick clubs to shame.It would have been great to have facilitated ye in the Limerick league next year and maybe ye could have seen a lot of ye're former players return in to ye're fold.

We heard all about ye're attempts to the FAI senior council to get approval for ye're club in to the Limerick league and that showed ye're ambition as a club.

Hang in their Ballbreaker,don't give up on your dream!!!

Pauliwallnuts

13/05/2005, 9:55 PM

You're points are well made BallBreaker & I agree with you in saying that the Clare League is probably the worst in Munster. When I say I agree I mean that facilities & how things are run in general are a disgrace. The main reason for this is the power base that the Gaa has in the county.

There are too many teams full of Gaa players just keeping their level of fitness up for the winter. How many teams seasons are ruined every year just because they lose players to the Gaa at vital times.

Junior football in Limerick is only 2nd to Rugby & the standard there is excellent as is proven by their results in the national competitions.

Saying all that there are alot of excellent players who have come out of Clare so the standard of player is there, (Nabs, Davy Wall & Brian Donnellan to name but a few) its just the way the whole thing is run which is wrong. Even from a publicity point of view its a shambles.
Look at the leader every week & you will see full match reports from alot of the divisions. The champion & clare fm give practically exclusive coverage to the Gaa.

Bunratty, Newtown & Newmarket are the only teams who have decent facilities & even then Newmarkets pitch was a disgrace, but fair play they are sorting it out.

After all that I'm still not so sure that you should be so ready to up & leave your county league. If every team was to have that attitude that would spell the death of the game in alot of the county & with that the loss of alot of potentially excellent players.

Your ideas for having a schoolboy academy are excellent & you should still try & press ahead with that. Jeez I know when I was a young fella I would have loved to have something like that to be involved in. I don't see why you have to join the Limerick league to do that. Why not get involved with the clubs around you & get something like this in motion. After all its for the kids at the end of the day & will benefit the club & the surrounding area in general greatly.

Lifford are doing it in Ennis. Moher are doing it back the West & Newtown could be the hub for the south east of the county. If you can manage to start it you will always get the benefit of retaining the better players as you have the facilities & generally if young lads are treated right they will show a loyalty towards your club.

Of course there are alot of other clubs who need to step up to the mark but Newtown & all credit to ye are in the best position to get it started in Shannon & the surrounding areas.

Ye have done great things in Shannon & fair play to ye cause ye are a credit to yourselves & and example for other clubs to follow but joining the Limerick league may not be in your best interests overall.

I hope all that made some kind of sense.

BallBreaker

13/05/2005, 10:20 PM

MadMick

16/05/2005, 6:24 AM

I couldn't have put it better myself,the only thing i will say is the Newtown decision to try to leave Clare was not taken overnight,we 1st tried approx 16 years go,then 2 years ago we went to Munster and lost and went to the fai and also failed,i have the best of time for the people running the clare league like Jim Madden and Michael Lydon and so on but the onus was on them to make sure Clare soccer was getting better scope,i think we missed the boat when we won the oscar traynor thats when we should have made Clare soccer better and got it more coverage.unless things change Clare teams in shannon will be feeder clubs for the LDMC,it is a bit different for the parish teams as they tend to stay together although that 2 might have changed as a few have moved into the limerick league but in general they will return to their parish team.Thanks for the positives and Newtown will continue their dream. :ball: :)

Guys

we are all making good points but the real issue is can the clubs come together outside of the league and have a think tank forum to improve Clare Soccer. This has to be the way ahead, unless we take control we will always be individual clubs fighting each other. the way I see it the following Clubs Avenue, Bridge Utd, Newtown and Newmarket and Bunratty should be driving a think tank by contacting each club(not team) for One of Two reprensentatives and basically writing down each initiative that is brought forward and having a full and forthright discussion to make improvements to all aspects of Clare soccer. Will this happen? I doubt it for many reasons!!!!!

oldspice

16/05/2005, 8:05 AM

If people are honest the Clare league is the worst league in Munster (standard wise) that is why any half decent player with any ambition will play in Limerick and not in Clare,look at parks team,at the moment full of ex Newtown,Bunratty etc,they joined park because they are in the Limerick league,that's why Davy Wall,Mike Malley,Seamie Lawlor,Daryl Eade,David O Grady and so on are all in the Limerick league because of the standard.This New club would have hoped to bring a lot of these back or even if not down the years stopping the exodus that is happening :ball: :ball:

Ballbrwaker,
I agree with a lot of what you have said and can understand what at times seems to be a desire to improve soccer in Clare. However, you throw it all away with the above quote. How can you possibly claim to be for the betterment of Clare soccer when Newtown have been for years trying to get out of the Clare League and in doing so bring some of our best young players into Limerick. Above you say the "New" club would hope to "bring a lot of these back" or "stop the exodus that is happening". I just can't understand this logic when in my view, you would be actively encouraging them to abandon soccer in Clare. Are you claiming that you would get established in Limerick and then start promoting Clare Soccer? or would you just be providing a further enticement for the best players in the Clare League to join you in a "Better" league in town? Please be honest.

MadMick

16/05/2005, 8:56 AM

Ballbrwaker,
I agree with a lot of what you have said and can understand what at times seems to be a desire to improve soccer in Clare. However, you throw it all away with the above quote. How can you possibly claim to be for the betterment of Clare soccer when Newtown have been for years trying to get out of the Clare League and in doing so bring some of our best young players into Limerick. Above you say the "New" club would hope to "bring a lot of these back" or "stop the exodus that is happening". I just can't understand this logic when in my view, you would be actively encouraging them to abandon soccer in Clare. Are you claiming that you would get established in Limerick and then start promoting Clare Soccer? or would you just be providing a further enticement for the best players in the Clare League to join you in a "Better" league in town? Please be honest.

Well said Oldspice, seems Newtown want their bread buttered on both sides, what I will say is their facilities are very good, but it is time the Club came out said it was committed to the Clare League, the best way to show this is to start working with other clubs, ie as per my earlier thoughts that seem to have fallen on deaf ears!!! Trouble with Newtown is they openly critise other Clubs and players and have isolated themselves, maybe an olive branch would be the way forward.

BallBreaker

16/05/2005, 9:42 AM

Ballbrwaker,
I agree with a lot of what you have said and can understand what at times seems to be a desire to improve soccer in Clare. However, you throw it all away with the above quote. How can you possibly claim to be for the betterment of Clare soccer when Newtown have been for years trying to get out of the Clare League and in doing so bring some of our best young players into Limerick. Above you say the "New" club would hope to "bring a lot of these back" or "stop the exodus that is happening". I just can't understand this logic when in my view, you would be actively encouraging them to abandon soccer in Clare. Are you claiming that you would get established in Limerick and then start promoting Clare Soccer? or would you just be providing a further enticement for the best players in the Clare League to join you in a "Better" league in town? Please be honest.

Oldspice, you have it wrong,there is no club more dedicated to Clare soccer than Newtown,we have never done anything under the table,in our attempts to join the limerick league the clare league were always involved.The committee of Newtown have felt for the last number of years that the club is dying,the main reason being that any player with ambition and who is good enough will play in the Limerick league.Maybe a lot of it is perception but thats a hard thing to change,The Shannon clubs are more in danger than any other team,there are 4 clubs in Shannon and 5 within a 5 mile radius,the 5 outside would be considered Parish teams where they would all pull together,Shannon hasn't got that parish feeling because there are 2 many clubs,maybe madmick has it all said above,we need the main clubs to form a steering committee and look to improve the standard,this goes from facilities,refs and a lot more. :ball: :ball:

BallBreaker

16/05/2005, 9:47 AM

Well said Oldspice, seems Newtown want their bread buttered on both sides, what I will say is their facilities are very good, but it is time the Club came out said it was committed to the Clare League, the best way to show this is to start working with other clubs, ie as per my earlier thoughts that seem to have fallen on deaf ears!!! Trouble with Newtown is they openly critise other Clubs and players and have isolated themselves, maybe an olive branch would be the way forward.

Well Madmick looks like i was ahead of you,again i will state Newtown FC are totally committed to the Clare league,we do not want our bread buttered on both sides,we have never fallen out with the league and have been upfront in everything we have tried to do.with everything fallen through we have no problem working with the other clubs to improve the standard.

4-4-2

16/05/2005, 9:48 AM

Oldspice, you have it wrong,there is no club more dedicated to Clare soccer than Newtown,we have never done anything under the table,in our attempts to join the limerick league the clare league were always involved.The committee of Newtown have felt for the last number of years that the club is dying,the main reason being that any player with ambition and who is good enough will play in the Limerick league.Maybe a lot of it is perception but thats a hard thing to change,The Shannon clubs are more in danger than any other team,there are 4 clubs in Shannon and 5 within a 5 mile radius,the 5 outside would be considered Parish teams where they would all pull together,Shannon hasn't got that parish feeling because there are 2 many clubs,maybe madmick has it all said above,we need the main clubs to form a steering committee and look to improve the standard,this goes from facilities,refs and a lot more. :ball: :ball:
Did newtown inform the clare league about all they were doing in relation to forming a new club with park??????

CousinSylDolan

16/05/2005, 9:50 AM

Results....

Premier division playoff...

Cratloe 5 2 Rineanna

Rineanna now play Olympic in the playoff to decide who will play premier football next season. Thurs night in Newtown I believe.

Fai Area final....

Newtown 2 1 Bridge Celtic.

BallBreaker

16/05/2005, 9:56 AM

Newtown beat Bridge Celtic yesterday 2-1 to win the FAI area cup,Newtrown started off the better and went 2 goals up through Sean Lindsay and Decalan(Cheeky) Mcdonald.Celtic came out a different team in the 2nd half and dominated for long periods,they scored with about 15mins left and had Newtown under real pressure,to our credit we gave we battled hard,We are delighted to have won out 2nd cup and lookm forward to playing Rinneanna in the munster area final next week,Celtic are a good team and will hold their own in the Premier.

Big crowd expected for the playoff between Rinneanna and Olympic for the right to play in the premier,i believe this is at Newtown's pitch,can someone confirm the day and time. :ball: :ball:

BallBreaker

16/05/2005, 9:57 AM

Did newtown inform the clare league about all they were doing in relation to forming a new club with park??????

Not in writing but they were aware talks were taking place.

Pauliwallnuts

16/05/2005, 10:10 AM

Burren Utd beat Tulla 4 - 0 yesterday to win promotion to division 1.

Tulla are relegated for the 2nd sucessive season. !!

4-4-2

16/05/2005, 10:11 AM

Not in writing but they were aware talks were taking place.
Why not inform them in writing if you had nothing to hide....i heard they only found out from the grapevine,not a nice thing to hear about a club who say they are totaly committed to the Clare league :ball:

OpenGoal

16/05/2005, 10:18 AM

Big crowd expected for the playoff between Rinneanna and Olympic for the right to play in the premier,i believe this is at Newtown's pitch,can someone confirm the day and time. :ball: :ball:[/QUOTE]

Ballbreaker, the game is fixed for thurs night, 7pm at newtown. I was down there yestersay and the pitches are spot on. No excuses for two teams who like to play a bit of ball!

BallBreaker

16/05/2005, 10:23 AM

Why not inform them in writing if you had nothing to hide....i heard they only found out from the grapevine,not a nice thing to hear about a club who say they are totaly committed to the Clare league :ball:

With all due respect 442 no club would have done that,this was only talks,there was nothing to inform them of,if it was going to happen then we would have told the Clare league.There was no point in writing a letter,what would you say(We are thinking of joining with Park???),Shannon Town for 2 meetings and Shannon Olympic for a lot more were also involved in these talks,that being the operative word Talks. :ball:

BallBreaker

16/05/2005, 10:25 AM

Big crowd expected for the playoff between Rinneanna and Olympic for the right to play in the premier,i believe this is at Newtown's pitch,can someone confirm the day and time. :ball: :ball:

Ballbreaker, the game is fixed for thurs night, 7pm at newtown. I was down there yestersay and the pitches are spot on. No excuses for two teams who like to play a bit of ball![/QUOTE]

probably a bit hard but that can only be expected,best of luck to both teams on Thursday.

4-4-2

16/05/2005, 10:34 AM

With all due respect 442 no club would have done that,this was only talks,there was nothing to inform them of,if it was going to happen then we would have told the Clare league.There was no point in writing a letter,what would you say(We are thinking of joining with Park???),Shannon Town for 2 meetings and Shannon Olympic for a lot more were also involved in these talks,that being the operative word Talks. :ball:`
Olympic were invited by Newtown and park so they went along to see what it was all about, the players were told at the start of the season that the club was staying well clear of it and it was never even put to a vote by the players at the club

BallBreaker

16/05/2005, 10:42 AM

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Olympic were invited by Newtown and park so they went along to see what it was all about, the players were told at the start of the season that the club was staying well clear of it and it was never even put to a vote by the players at the club

can't agree,i was at them meetings,they happened while the season was running and about being upfront Olympic never gave that indication that they would stay well clear of it,i am not going to get into a slanging match,i have answered the questions the best and most honest way i could,if people want to go into every corner of this we will talk about nothing else,i came on to say it is finished so lets not go down the road of we done this ye done that....... :ball: :ball:

OpenGoal

16/05/2005, 10:53 AM

can't agree,i was at them meetings,they happened while the season was running and about being upfront Olympic never gave that indication that they would stay well clear of it,i am not going to get into a slanging match,i have answered the questions the best and most honest way i could,if people want to go into every corner of this we will talk about nothing else,i came on to say it is finished so lets not go down the road of we done this ye done that....... :ball: :ball:

just to clear up any comments about olympic. While the management of olympic may have thought it was an idea worth contemplating, and probably were at one stage, a vote never would have passed witht he players, so I think thats the point 442 was trying to make. No disrespect to Newtown, or anyone else involved but an amalgamation really is of no benefit to us. Also, we are keen to hold on to our identity and are confident enough that we are going in the right direction(granted, alot depends on Thursday's play-off). I for one, am delighted that Newtown have pulled out of the proposed amalgamation..............I have an alternative view on why this fell apart by the way, they couldnt agree on where the "refreshments" were to take place after every match :D :D :D

Nibzer

16/05/2005, 10:58 AM

Of coarse a vote wouldnt have passed with the players...im sure none of them would have wanted to play for a ''D'' team.. :D :D

oldspice

16/05/2005, 11:05 AM

Nibzer

16/05/2005, 11:07 AM

Wasnt cheeky...was ryan kelly!! Ballbreaker must of been watching a different game :rolleyes:

BallBreaker

16/05/2005, 11:07 AM

just to clear up any comments about olympic. While the management of olympic may have thought it was an idea worth contemplating, and probably were at one stage, a vote never would have passed witht he players, so I think thats the point 442 was trying to make. No disrespect to Newtown, or anyone else involved but an amalgamation really is of no benefit to us. Also, we are keen to hold on to our identity and are confident enough that we are going in the right direction(granted, alot depends on Thursday's play-off). I for one, am delighted that Newtown have pulled out of the proposed amalgamation..............I have an alternative view on why this fell apart by the way, they couldnt agree on where the "refreshments" were to take place after every match :D :D :D

Thats much better Opengoal,and i don't think that was the point 442 tried to make,442 to my knowledge was trying to imply something sneaky was going on,i merely pointed out that at one stage there was 4 clubs involved.
I take it you last comment is just to humour us.All i can say was it was tried and nothing came of it.So now i go back to what Madmick said,LETS IMPROVE THE STANDARD.

BallBreaker

16/05/2005, 11:09 AM

Wasnt cheeky...was ryan kelly!! Ballbreaker must of been watching a different game :rolleyes:

Sorry all it was Ryan Kelly,but cheeky should have scored as well :p :p

oldspice

16/05/2005, 11:14 AM

I was at Digiphone park yesterday to witness the promotion/relegation playoff between Tulla and Burren Utd. Burren were good value for the win if not for the scoreline (4-0). It's a shame to see Tulla's fall from grace to get relegated two seasons in a row and particularly this season. After 9 games in this season's league thay were sitting pretty on 21 points and looked odds on for at least promotion if not to win the league. In the remaining 9 games, they only gained 1 point. As I say it is a pity, for the likes of Ed Crowe in particular who has worked tirelessly the last few seasons to keep a rural team in a GAA stronghold in the higher divisions. On the other hand, Burren will not be out of their depth in the first division if they can keep that squad together. Rumour has it they also expect to attract back a couple of promising local lads who are playing for other clubs (Lifford beware!!!). Looks like there will be no handy points coming from the second division for teams already in the first.

OpenGoal

16/05/2005, 11:18 AM

Of coarse a vote wouldnt have passed with the players...im sure none of them would have wanted to play for a ''D'' team.. :D :D

As many other have found out on this website nibzer, that kind of comment nealry always comes back to bite you on the ass....................see you in the premier ;)

(fingers crossed)

MadMick

16/05/2005, 11:41 AM

Thats much better Opengoal,and i don't think that was the point 442 tried to make,442 to my knowledge was trying to imply something sneaky was going on,i merely pointed out that at one stage there was 4 clubs involved.
I take it you last comment is just to humour us.All i can say was it was tried and nothing came of it.So now i go back to what Madmick said,LETS IMPROVE THE STANDARD.

Well I propose that we all go back to our Clubs and inform our First Team Manager and Chairman and ask them to approach other clubs to set up a forum?