Trapattoni - who would you replace him with?

[Noelys Guitar]

I would say it is a safe bet that the FAI will appoint what they consider the opposite of Trapatonni. That will almost certainly rule out a non Irish or UK manager not associated with English football. Must be unemployed ex-manager(McCarthy, O'Leary, Keane, Daglish, Souness, Coyle, Redknapp, McLeish, Curbishley) or soon to be unemployed/out of contract( solskjaer, bilic,-- Hughton and Hughes if results don't improve). Realistically it still looks to me between McCarthy and O'Leary. But if O'Brien (and others) stump up the money the Redknapp will be a serious contender.

[ArdeeBhoy]

Roy Keane. I'll keep on saying it.

Why bother? No-one serious will listen...

[Charlie Darwin]

I would say it is a safe bet that the FAI will appoint what they consider the opposite of Trapatonni. That will almost certainly rule out a non Irish or UK manager not associated with English football. Can't be currently employed (McCarthy, O'Leary, Keane, Daglish, Souness, Coyle, Redknapp, McLeish, Curbishley) or soon to be unemployed/out of contract( solskjaer, bilic,-- Hughton and Hughes if results don't improve). Realistically it still looks to me between McCarthy and O'Leary. But if O'Brien (and others) stump up the money the Redknapp will be a serious contender.
I think your instinct is right, they will choose somebody who is seen as the polar opposite of Trap, so probably a relatively young manager. The more I think about it, though, the more I'm afraid DOB will dig his heels in and refuse to pay Trap off.

[Noelys Guitar]

I think your instinct is right, they will choose somebody who is seen as the polar opposite of Trap, so probably a relatively young manager. The more I think about it, though, the more I'm afraid DOB will dig his heels in and refuse to pay Trap off.
You might well be right. I'd say that's what the press conference was mostly about today. Trapatonni playing hardball and wanting his money in full. Nobody other than probably Delaney and O'Brien and one or two others know exactly what deal was originally agreed/what transpired with the last contract before the Euros and what deal is being discussed now (if any).

[Charlie Darwin]

I honestly don't think Trap is motivated by money. I think it's a pride issue and he sees his salary as validation of how good he is.

[Noelys Guitar]

I honestly don't think Trap is motivated by money. I think it's a pride issue and he sees his salary as validation of how good he is. He won game set and match against Delaney the last time. Manipulated the news conferences and media interviews close to the end of his first contract telling everyone about the unnamed teams head hunting him.

[SkStu]

I honestly don't think Trap is motivated by money. I think it's a pride issue and he sees his salary as validation of how good he is.

Arrogance then...?

[Charlie Darwin]

He won game set and match against Delaney the last time. Manipulated the news conferences and media interviews close to the end of his first contract telling everyone about the unnamed teams head hunting him.
Well there are dozens of clubs who would sign him in an instant if he was free from his Ireland contract. I agree with you though that he never had any intention of going back to club management.


Arrogance then...?
Yep.

[Spudulika]

Magath was drummed out of Eintracht for pushing the players too hard, certain players started leaking stories about disharmony in the camp and he was gone. The real fact was that he inspired a whole raft of players but a certain clique wanted the former coach (Berger) back as he let them do what they wanted. Magath wouldn't take the Irish job as he knows what would happen.

Bilic would only take the job if Pat Devlin, Eamon Collins etc gave him a cut of transfers and any decent coach would run from the Irish job. If the meeja get their way and Trap goes, it'll be an Irish person who comes in to take over and we can start a "Countdown to Disaster" thread that the INM folks and other meeja trolls can check out from time to time until the new man is gone. And the obvious will be avoided - structures at home. It's cannon fodder to slam JD about his salary, or LOI clubs about finances or the LOI, but it would be a long, long day that our meeja would ever dissect football structures in the country and their own role in it's disintegration.

[ifk101]

Another day, another meeja post.

[Stuttgart88]

Eric Gerets would be goodWould I be alone in the 40+ category booing that bearded cheating cnut for the free kick he dived to win in Brussels in '81? They hit the bar and then Ceulemans bundled McDonagh into the net for a last minute winner. I was devastated that night. I hate Eric Gerets and always will!

[Stuttgart88]

Another day, another meeja post.He has a point. The meeja have a habit of driving managers out and they have a habit of bowing at the altar of English football.

[Diarmo]

Magath was drummed out of Eintracht for pushing the players too hard, certain players started leaking stories about disharmony in the camp and he was gone. The real fact was that he inspired a whole raft of players but a certain clique wanted the former coach (Berger) back as he let them do what they wanted. Magath wouldn't take the Irish job as he knows what would happen.

Bilic would only take the job if Pat Devlin, Eamon Collins etc gave him a cut of transfers and any decent coach would run from the Irish job. If the meeja get their way and Trap goes, it'll be an Irish person who comes in to take over and we can start a "Countdown to Disaster" thread that the INM folks and other meeja trolls can check out from time to time until the new man is gone. And the obvious will be avoided - structures at home. It's cannon fodder to slam JD about his salary, or LOI clubs about finances or the LOI, but it would be a long, long day that our meeja would ever dissect football structures in the country and their own role in it's disintegration.

Good post.

[Manblue]

I stand over any of these nominations for exactly the reason that no-one else wants them and they'll have to pull up trees in the job before anyone else would.* We're likely going to be shopping for a manager like Neil Warnock shops for players ...whatevers left in the bargain bin when it's been well picked over. Incidently I think they're all reasonably competent individuals who'd do at least as well/poorly as GT for probably a fraction of the cost. I think they'd all research the squad and potential enhancments thereof with due diligence and greater enthusiasm as well.

*When Alex McLeish quit Scotland for Birmingham his salary jumped 1000%. That kind of lure is always going to be there with any half employable manager who does well enough for us (assuming the salary has to go back to pre-Trap levels -which was still quite high by International managment standards) to attract the attention of prem/championship club.

Have to laugh at people suggesting McLeish. As much as I dislike Trap, give me him over McLeish anyday, the man doesn't have a clue, twice relegated, almost 3 times, played Emile Heskey in midfield 3 games in a row last year, the list is endless. He doesn't have a clue.

[Diarmo]

Don't know if he's been mentioned, but Alan Curbishley? Been out of management for a while.

[bennocelt]

Eric Gerets would be good

Tsk, like for like:rolleyes: Do people just fancy famous football names and bandy them about?

[gastric]

Spudulika will love this! Mick and Redknapp waiting in the wings supposedly.

http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/trapattoni-insists-quitting-out-of-question-as-mccarthy-and-redknapp-wait-in-wings-3259614.html

[ifk101]

He has a point. The meeja have a habit of driving managers out

We're all a part of the meeja.


and they have a habit of bowing at the altar of English football.

95% of posters here do that every weekend.

[Lionel Ritchie]

Have to laugh at people suggesting McLeish. As much as I dislike Trap, give me him over McLeish anyday, the man doesn't have a clue, twice relegated, almost 3 times, played Emile Heskey in midfield 3 games in a row last year, the list is endless. He doesn't have a clue.

Never claimed he was a genius Manblue. I said he was "reasonably competent". Is playing Heskey in midfield any worse than Cox on the wing and leaving wingers on the bench to do so?

I also said part of my criteria is no one else'll want him unless he does really, really well.

[backstothewall]

Tsk, like for like:rolleyes: Do people just fancy famous football names and bandy them about?

He's got a good record. He won the Dutch and Turkish leagues, and did well with Marseille, and has experience of working in divisions where your midfields first job is to hold onto ball. He speaks English which has been a problem under Trap and he might take the job, having previously taken over the Moroccan national team.

I don't think it's like for like at all. The time has come for a change but we have been successful under Trap and we should resist the temptation the throw out the baby with the bath water by giving it to some 'give it a lash' merchant

[Manblue]

Never claimed he was a genius Manblue. I said he was "reasonably competent". Is playing Heskey in midfield any worse than Cox on the wing and leaving wingers on the bench to do so?

I also said part of my criteria is no one else'll want him unless he does really, really well.

I'm sorry I cant agree that he is even that to be honest, the Heskey comment was only the tip of the iceberg, but I actually do see it far worse to play Heskey who was past it up front, braindead, immobile, has no football and a poor tackler ahead of some of his midfield options but thats neither here or there.

I agree they're wont be a line of managers queueing up for the role but do feel the pool of available talent far exceeds his. Given Hughes will probably be available soon, has international experience, is likely to receive a large payoff and will have something to prove, i'd take him before Mcleish and a number of others. Pure speculation of course.

[tetsujin1979]

I can probably guess what most of you will say but anyway - Sam Allardyce anyone?

[ifk101]

I can probably guess what most of you will say but anyway - Sam Allardyce anyone?

Read previous comments on Harry Redknapp. Especially the one you agreed with.

[tippex]

Realistically if/when trap goes (hopefully soon) there is no way in hell any manager currently in a job will leave unless they are on the brink but they too would be looking for a payoff. The FAI will not have the finances to pay compensation to a club.
Out of them all if the FAI were to decide to get rid and then hold court they could very well get sparky (out of them all he would be my preference)....

[Spudulika]

We're all a part of the meeja.



95% of posters here do that every weekend.

No we're not. No matter how important we all think ourselves to be.

And 95% won't do that every weekend, though many will.

If there was ever any evidence needed about how big a role the meeja are playing in this farce, this morning's interview with Brian "I'm not bitter" Kerr on Pat Kenny would clear up that misguided vision. He slated Trap for holding a meeja conference while Sligo and Pats played a league decider - he said that Trap "is out of touch with the Irish game". Now there will be enough listening to that, the Liveline types, who won't think deeper than the skin on their scalps as to who organises such gigs, and why the meeja didn't refuse to attend so that they could focus their time and energy on the LOI? This is allowed out on air by the same company (RTE) who didn't have a camera at Limerick's long awaited triumph in the First Division and who treat LOI football the same way you would an errant child. ifk101, if you honestly believe the meeja circus isn't a major part in all of this then you're a better person than most.

[tetsujin1979]

No we're not. No matter how important we all think ourselves to be.

And 95% won't do that every weekend, though many will.

If there was ever any evidence needed about how big a role the meeja are playing in this farce, this morning's interview with Brian "I'm not bitter" Kerr on Pat Kenny would clear up that misguided vision. He slated Trap for holding a meeja conference while Sligo and Pats played a league decider - he said that Trap "is out of touch with the Irish game". Now there will be enough listening to that, the Liveline types, who won't think deeper than the skin on their scalps as to who organises such gigs, and why the meeja didn't refuse to attend so that they could focus their time and energy on the LOI? This is allowed out on air by the same company (RTE) who didn't have a camera at Limerick's long awaited triumph in the First Division and who treat LOI football the same way you would an errant child. ifk101, if you honestly believe the meeja circus isn't a major part in all of this then you're a better person than most.This is the same Brian Kerr who's sum total of respect to the Irish game while manager of the national side was to give Jason Byrne approximately 45 seconds at the end of a friendly against Poland.

[osarusan]

This is the same Brian Kerr who's sum total of respect to the Irish game while manager of the national side was to give Jason Byrne approximately 45 seconds at the end of a friendly against Poland.

I don't see how that's even the slightest bit relevant.

He didn't give (more) caps to LOI players because they weren't good enough, as Trap doesn't because they still aren't good enough. Nobody wants undeserved caps for LOI players - it's the exact opposite of respect.

I don't recall him participating in any press conferences at the same time as there was a league deciding game on though, do you? If the FAI had tried to set one up in similar circumstances, I'm confident he'd have insisted they change it. Can you imagine the England manager doing it during the last game of the previous EPL season?

[paul_oshea]

Surely its the press offficer/communications man/pr whoever within the FAI that co-ordinates all this, to suggest otherwise or to naively ignore, either sounds like there is an agenda going on or some other reason to believe that he would purposely do this.

Don't take the defensive approach here, its all in the FAI and trappatoni in this instance, or someone within their who had an agenda.

[tetsujin1979]

I don't see how that's even the slightest bit relevant.

He didn't give (more) caps to LOI players because they weren't good enough, as Trap doesn't because they still aren't good enough. Nobody wants undeserved caps for LOI players - it's the exact opposite of respect.

I don't recall him participating in any press conferences at the same time as there was a league deciding game on though, do you? If the FAI had tried to set one up in similar circumstances, I'm confident he'd have insisted they change it. Can you imagine the England manager doing it during the last game of the previous EPL season?
my point was that Kerr wasn't exactly leading the charge for selecting League of Ireland players when he was in charge, so criticising Trapattoni for showing disrespect to the league doesn't carry much weight with me.
Did Kerr have any games coming up soon after any league decider was on? Who decides the time of press conferences anyway?

[osarusan]

my point was that Kerr wasn't exactly leading the charge for selecting League of Ireland players when he was in charge, so criticising Trapattoni for showing disrespect to the league doesn't carry much weight with me.

If he had selected LOI players even though they weren't good enough, would you have considered that showing respect for the league?

I'm pretty sure Trapattoni didn't decide the time of the press conference. A lack of communication/brain cells within the press office is mostly to blame in my opinion. But either Trap knew there was a LOI decider on and wasn't bothered enough to get it changed, or didn't know at all. That's Kerr's point. I don't see how his selection policies as manager are relevant at all.

[brine3]

I honestly think Co Adriaanse would make a fantastic Ireland manager. He specialises in getting smaller teams to play above themselves, in a technical, attacking style. Was in charge of the youth system at Ajax for five years, then took a team called Willem II Tilburg all the way to the Champions League, took AZ Alkmaar to the UEFA Cup semi-finals and did the double with Porto.

I assume his English would be good. He's also a bit of an obsessive with an eye for detail. He wouldn't be forgetting players... He's on a break at the moment and we could afford his salary.

But would anyone at the FAI even know a manager like that exists... we'll probably end up with some celeb manager like Harry bleedin Redknapp.

Arsenal appointed a manager that would have been relatively unknown to most people in the UK & Ireland back in 1996. That worked out ok for them.

[DannyInvincible]

Came across this on Facebook via TheScore.ie (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=430212993707862&set=a.112587382137093.15016.110967718965726&type=1):

https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/560731_430212993707862_223770283_n.jpg

[tetsujin1979]

saw that too, was wondering if it could be redone for competitive games only

[bennocelt]

He's got a good record. He won the Dutch and Turkish leagues, and did well with Marseille, and has experience of working in divisions where your midfields first job is to hold onto ball. He speaks English which has been a problem under Trap and he might take the job, having previously taken over the Moroccan national team.

I don't think it's like for like at all. The time has come for a change but we have been successful under Trap and we should resist the temptation the throw out the baby with the bath water by giving it to some 'give it a lash' merchant


Quit with the stats and the records - thats how Trap got in - he is a very defensive minded manager, limited tactics, and wasnt he rubbish at a recent african nations (or did i imagine that?). Remember Wenger making a mug of him (tactically) when arsenal played Psv

[Olé Olé]

I hope we don't end up with the typical names being trotted out. The English managers looking for a quick buck like Redknapp and Venables. The past players who had a decent season or two at a lower level English side (John Aldridge) and, of course, the continental journeymen that can point to mediocre records at international level (Phillip Troussier).

Howard Kendall put his name forward last time, and who was that German or Dutch chap that had his name bandied about via an interview on Off the Ball and who's record barely extended past bad Asian sides? I remember the tongue-in-cheek approach taken by Ken Early and Eoin McDevitt towards his candidacy.

I'd love to see a serious candidate take charge. Someone who actually cares about the furtherance of their career and their own future and the future of Irish football. Coyle, Hughton and McDermott are these types of managers. And Coyle is available.

The Ireland manager's job is not the poison chalice that some people are trying to make it out to be.

[nigel-harps1954]

So, judging by DannyInvincibles chart there, we should be looking to bring back Brian Kerr?

[SwanVsDalton]

Hard to believe Trap's played as many games as Mick at this point, he's a full campaign behind him.

[bennocelt]

Whoever is appointed as main man, I wouldnt mind seeing Kenny Cunningham having some serious input with the team, always seems level headed and would get along with the players

[paul_oshea]

Cunningham is level headed and articulate far more than staunton and you need this articulation when speaking with players and figure out tactics. Basically you need a brain, any form of intelligence, which a lot of footballers lack, thats why mourinho, avb, ferguson all these types do so well, as much as having a football background with experience they have a brain.

I think Cunningham might be a bit too quite too as a manager and might not be great at handling individuals and motivating.

[Charlie Darwin]

I can't figure out why Cunningham hasn't managed to find a job at some level yet. Surely with his badges he should at least be coaching a youth team or something.

[SwanVsDalton]

I can't figure out why Cunningham hasn't managed to find a job at some level yet. Surely with his badges he should at least be coaching a youth team or something.

I thought that was his plan. Looking for the right job? I remember there were rumours he was eyeing up work in the LOI initially.

[Stuttgart88]

Was he in the running for the U21 job post-Govens?

[backstothewall]

Quit with the stats and the records - thats how Trap got in - he is a very defensive minded manager, limited tactics, and wasnt he rubbish at a recent african nations (or did i imagine that?). Remember Wenger making a mug of him (tactically) when arsenal played Psv

And if Arsene Wenger is willing to take the job we should definitely appoint him. But The likelihood is that we will have to adjust our ambitions

[swinfordfc]

I dont think Trap will be leaving lads in fairest ....... where are they going to get the money to get rid of him and in fairest we are not out of the qualifying race at all ..... ye getting to much liked the British media.

Tony O'Donoghue of RTE kinda made a boo boo when interviewing Trap saying that Germany hammer Swedan! ... he should get his FACTS right!

[Charlie Darwin]

I dont think Trap will be leaving lads in fairest ....... where are they going to get the money to get rid of him and in fairest we are not out of the qualifying race at all ..... ye getting to much liked the British media.
The same place they got the money to hire him in the first place.

Noticed TOD's boo boo as well - the lads in the studio all seemed to think the game was over too.

[swinfordfc]

The same place they got the money to hire him in the first place.

Noticed TOD's boo boo as well - the lads in the studio all seemed to think the game was over too.

From O'Brien ...... maybe .... time will tell i guess

[Deckydee]

Harry wants the job!!

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/4593590/Harry-Redknapp-wants-Republic-of-Ireland-job.html

[jbyrne]

I dont think Trap will be leaving lads in fairest ....... where are they going to get the money to get rid of him and in fairest we are not out of the qualifying race at all ..... ye getting to much liked the British media.

Tony O'Donoghue of RTE kinda made a boo boo when interviewing Trap saying that Germany hammer Swedan! ... he should get his FACTS right!

sure RTE kept referring to "germany having beaten Sweden tonight" while the game was still going on. sloppy

[Duggie]

Harry wants the job!!

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/4593590/Harry-Redknapp-wants-Republic-of-Ireland-job.html

i cant see this, id say harry is waiting for a job to come up in the PL before hed return to management. id say anything linking harry to this job is pure speculation.

[Murfinator]

So, judging by DannyInvincibles chart there, we should be looking to bring back Brian Kerr?

Should have never sacked him, the process of sacking him and replacing him with Stan put our team back many years. This is why a lot of people are worried about the prospect of Trap being sacked under these circumstances, our public are notorious for putting pressure on for sacking managers and later regretting it.
In retrospect most reasonable fans would agree that in the past 20 years Stan was the only one who deserved to be sacked and whose successor was a significant improvement.