Trapattoni - who would you replace him with?

[ArdeeBhoy]

Hard to imagine O'Neill leaving all of a sudden before a big qualification match, never mind wanting a release clause to enable him to do so :)
Did he ever leave a club before a cup final?

Told Celtic he was leaving 3 days before the '05 Scottish Cup Final, his last competitive game.

The latest on him in the news media is here.

https://www.google.co.uk/?gws_rd=cr&ei=F3hDUpeEOonPhAeej4HgDg#q=Martin+O%27Neill&safe=off&tbm=nws

Meanwhile, from the FAI bunker...
http://thescore.thejournal.ie/john-delaney-ireland-manager-search-1099611-Sep2013/

[Acornvilla]

No there's one Trap... I wonder are Wales perhaps getting cold feet about giving Coleman a new deal (with good reason!) and perhaps Mr Trapattoni is just what they are looking for? They do have players like Bale, Ramsey, Allen and Williams to form a decent team around for Euros IMO

You mean, to bench.

[brine3]

"Bale still young. Remember also the personality, the experience."

[DeLorean]

Trap and Wales could actually be a perfect fit. Their major weakness is being so fragile defensively. Their defenders really aren't as bad as the amount of goals they're conceding... Williams and Collins are pretty solid centre backs with their clubs and the full back, Davies, looks an excellent player. Ramsey is finally showing signs of delivering on his potential and obviously in Bale, they have a genuine match winner. They really just need a 'system' to make them more difficult to break down. I think Gio has just the system.

[ArdeeBhoy]

Wales are more likely to think about Brian Flynn or Tony Pulis if they bin off Coleman, who hasn't impressed me.
The likes of Yorath, Toshack or Saunders are all now too old, or too flawed to be taken seriously.

The Welsh seem to be having a problem with their young managers;all 4 of their leading clubs are managed by people from outside the principality...

[geysir]

Told Celtic he was leaving 3 days before the '05 Scottish Cup Final, his last competitive game.

You mean, he formally told Celtic before the cup final, that he was leaving after the cup final at the end of that season.
Officially confirming what most knew would happen.

[ArdeeBhoy]

Yes, what of it.

[geysir]

Yes, what of it.
You don't have the 'joined up thinking' bit. do you AB?

[tetsujin1979]

today's Dilbert sums up this thread rather well I think: http://www.dilbert.com/2013-09-26/

[ArdeeBhoy]

You don't have the 'joined up thinking' bit. do you AB?

And you do...
;)

[geysir]

today's Dilbert sums up this thread rather well I think: http://www.dilbert.com/2013-09-26/
Can be summed up with a degree more of (in your face) elegance :)

http://www.dilbert.com/dyn/str_strip/000000000/00000000/0000000/100000/90000/7000/100/197155/197155.strip.gif

[DannyInvincible]

Can be summed up with a degree more of (in your face) elegance :)

http://www.dilbert.com/dyn/str_strip/000000000/00000000/0000000/100000/90000/7000/100/197155/197155.strip.gif

Fixed that punctuation error for you guys:

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc12/poguemahone85/dilbert_zps8c6ba6c0.png

[ArdeeBhoy]

But is there one for unnecessary obtuse pendantry...
:rolleyes:

[DannyInvincible]

'Keane plays it cool on Ireland manager’s hot-seat': http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/keane-plays-it-cool-on-ireland-managers-hot-seat-244500.html


[Roy] Keane has been touted as a possible successor to Giovanni Trapattoni, but made it clear he is far from champing at the bit to return to management.

“I have not thought too much about it to be honest,” said Keane. “I have more important things to be worrying about.”

Martin O’Neill is the bookmakers’ favourite to land the job and Keane remarked that the Derry man would be a “very good choice”, while also lauding the FAI for not rushing into a snap appointment in the wake of Trapattoni’s exit.

“A lot of managers have been linked with it, a lot of good managers. There are plenty of favourites. I’d know a lot about Martin O’Neill. I think Martin would be a very good choice, a good guy for the job.

“I think the FAI have done the right thing in stepping back and taking their time.

“There are a lot of good managers out there who are out of work. I think the FAI have done the right thing in stepping back and seeing who is out there.”

Ray Houghton and FAI High Performance Director Ruud Dokter have been tasked with headhunting candidates for the role, with Keane admitting there had been no contact on the part of the FAI towards him.

“I haven’t been contacted by anyone, and as I said, I haven’t thought too much about it. I think Martin O’Neill would be a very good choice, simple as that.”

Questioned on whether he believed the association would consider approaching him given the Cork native’s chequered history in the green shirt, the former Manchester United captain responded: “I haven’t a clue, you’d have to ask them.”

Ireland’s bid to secure qualification to the 2014 World Cup in Rio went up in smoke following the recent defeats to Sweden and Austria respectively, but Keane maintained that Irish soccer is by no means in a perilous state, adding the talent is there to reverse the team’s recent poor fortunes. “I don’t think it is as bad as everyone is making out. There is good young players coming through and I think it is a good job for a manager, definitely.”

[ArdeeBhoy]

Phew?

[Charlie Darwin]

I'm surprised nobody posted this, although I can see you were all distracted by pedantry. The Heddled reports O'Neill was offered the job and asked for more time to think about it, according to Paul "credibility" Hyland.

http://www.herald.ie/sport/soccer/fai-offer-oneill-job-29612965.html

[jbyrne]

I'm surprised nobody posted this, although I can see you were all distracted by pedantry. The Heddled reports O'Neill was offered the job and asked for more time to think about it, according to Paul "credibility" Hyland.

http://www.herald.ie/sport/soccer/fai-offer-oneill-job-29612965.html

that article, IF true, adds fuel to the concerns also raised by others that even if MON took up the job a subsequent EPL vacancy could lead to him walking away from the Irish job. Not great really

[geysir]

I'm surprised nobody posted this, although I can see you were all distracted by pedantry. The Heddled reports O'Neill was offered the job and asked for more time to think about it, according to Paul "credibility" Hyland.

http://www.herald.ie/sport/soccer/fai-offer-oneill-job-29612965.html
:)
I thought it was pronounced The Herdled.

The odds were on that the FAI contacted MON and he dithered.

[Charlie Darwin]

:)
I thought it was pronounced The Herdled.

The odds were on that the FAI contacted MON and he dithered.
We have a very diverse linguistic geography down here in Dublin :)

[Crosby87]

Will Ruud be the one performing the physicals on the candidates to ensure they are medically able?

[Closed Account 2]

So it seems MON doesnt really fancy the job and sees it as a reserve choice behind a currently occupied PL role, a backup plan if you like. Given that I think the FAI would be better off picking someone else. Say no PL vacancies crop up between now and the new year and he ends up taking the job, but then in Feb/March a couple of PL strugglers sack their managers in a bid to stave off relegation (like Reading and Southampton did last season), I would say MON would jump at the chance to step in. I know managers have managed clubs and countries at the same time (Hiddink with Chelsea and Russia, Keegan with Fulham and England, Lobanovskyi at Dinamo Kiev and Ukraine) but I don't think that would be a good road for us to go down, even if it would be ideal for MON. If we ever do employ him I would hope the FAI have some sort of deterrent buy-out clause, which might at least mean he would manage us to the end of a campaign.

[Charlie Darwin]

O'Neill has always been a careerist manager. I'm sure managing Ireland would mean something to him personally but he wants to achieve as much as he can on a personal level and good luck to him, but it's not ideal when you're trying to put together a long-term plan at international level.

[geysir]

It's also been said he would prefer the day to day grind of club management but then again he did allow himself to be interviewed for the England job.

It could be that he feels he has something to prove at club level after being sacked and perceived a failure at Sunderland.

[nigel-harps1954]

Well...this is very interesting....bookies today have supposedly slashed odds on Alex Ferguson?

[Closed Account 2]

What are the odds, and are they slimmer than him being the next Man Utd manager?

[geysir]

Journalist puts a fiver on Fergie at 50/1, odds shorten to 25/1.
Journalist has an exclusive 'odds slashed on Fergie' story.

[tetsujin1979]

Journalist puts a fiver on Fergie at 50/1, odds shorten to 25/1.
Journalist has an exclusive 'odds slashed on Fergie' story.
journalist trades bet off on betfair, makes tidy profit

[The Fly]

Well...this is very interesting....bookies today have supposedly slashed odds on Alex Ferguson?

http://s1.thejournal.ie/media/2013/07/eamon-dunphy-on-the-tinwhistle.gif

[Gather round]

http://s1.thejournal.ie/media/2013/07/eamon-dunphy-on-the-tinwhistle.gif

Good to see Gazza looking a bit better.

[ArdeeBhoy]

Are you sure?
He's too thin to be ever Gazza...

Their alcohol consumption may have crossed though.

[DannyInvincible]

Good to see Gazza looking a bit better.

Isn't that veteran David Healy? Has he seen the light and decided to switch at last?

[brine3]

Noticed this on a Dutch news site I read: Ierse bond wil Advocaat als bondscoach (http://www.nu.nl/sport/3587469/ierse-bond-wil-advocaat-als-bondscoach.html). Please let it not be true....

[ArdeeBhoy]

Well you wanted a Dutch coach...

Told you all I met him before the Sweden game at Lansdowne...
:eek:

[brine3]

You should get into politics, you're great at the spin.

I said I wanted Co Adriaanse. It makes no difference to me if he is Dutch or Japanese.

[ArdeeBhoy]

Am I? CA is washed-up, rinsed and hung out to dry...

Don't care either, but the point you made on the WSC MB about this being a 'favour returned' by Dokter, could have legs. I hope not.

[Charlie Darwin]

Noel King was at the Hull v West Ham game as Robbie Brady dived and scored the resulting penalty at the expense of Joey O'Brien. Not sure if he was at a morning match and there aren't any evening fixtures with Irish involvement over there.

[ArdeeBhoy]

He might have made it by helicopter(!) from Nottingham;he could do Stoke v.Norwich and Everton v. Newcastle on Monday, in theory?

[OwlsFan]

Next manager:

a) Tony Pullis (not much radical change in football style required).
b) Martin O'Neill (see above).

The past few choices by the FAI have been "thinking outside the box" though so could be c) Manuela (see above).

As for Glenn Hoddle, having regard to his views on those with special needs, I am not sure his would be a great choice, particularly for Stephen Ireland.

[Stuttgart88]

b) Martin O'Neill (see above).
I think that's a bit of a disservice. His teams weren't totally devoid of style.

[ArdeeBhoy]

They usually have less by the end of his 'reign', should it go on, but have sufficient faith in him for 2016.

2018 & 2022 could be beyond our reach even with Pep in charge?

[Kingdom]

Was Hector Cuper mentioned here? I saw it on one of the newspaper websites that he was interested. A very good manager who has made some poor club choices these past couple of years.

[Junior]

I think that's a bit of a disservice. His teams weren't totally devoid of style.

Agree. Yes he likes a big strong target man and sometimes that can lead to a more basic style of play but I have very fond memories of some fabulous away attacking performances with Celtic playing 3-5-2 with plenty of width, balls in to the box and goals!!! Ajax away (1-3) and Stuggart away (3-2 - we actually went 2-0 up and the tie was over then though we did end up losing the game, it meant nothing) plus many more domestically and in Europe. Admittedly that was ten years ago and Celtic had some great players at its disposal but its not like he is adverse to playing some attacking football. He was a winger himself, dont you know!!

Villa finished 6th 3 years on the trot and whilst I can't recall exactly his teams style at the time, you need to be scoring and not conceding to finish in the top 6 and that is something the Ireland team needs above all else.....

[tetsujin1979]

always got the very best out of centre halves as well - Elliott at Leicester, Mjallby/Valjaeren at Celtic, Dunne/Mellberg (and to a lesser extent Laursen) at Villa
all goal threats from set plays too, as well as playing out of their skins for O'Neill

[DeLorean]

Villa were very much a counter attacking side under O'Neill, using the pace of Young and Gabby. I suppose the way he had them set up wasn't completely different to us under Trap, but with more pace in the side. It was pretty much a 4-4-1-1 with Young and Downing on the wings and Gabby playing off Carew/Heskey. That's my memory of them anyway. They were always much more impressive away from home as they used struggle at Villa Park when teams sat back. They were excellent from set pieces also due to Ashley Young's deliveries and incredible ability to conjure the set piece from thin air!

[back of the net]

nothing surprising here...
http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/irish/2013/1001/477652-fai-want-new-irish-manager-before-christmas/

[ArdeeBhoy]

Do they specify which year...

[brine3]

Steve Coppell might be worth a shot.

[back of the net]

If Martin Jol gets the boot from Fulham as per suggested he might - he cud be well worth an option

Maybe Im wrong on this but was he rumoured to be in the running for the Job before?

[IsMiseSean]

Has anyone sounded out Gerard Houllier yet?

[Bungle]

Has anyone sounded out Gerard Houllier yet?

Houllier would have built a great team at Liverpool in my opinion, but his heart attack put pay to that. He clearly was a great footballing man, but I wouldn't be sure that he would be the right man for us. Things deteriorated fairly rapidly at Liverpool and he was poor at Villa. His health would also be a big concern for me.