Trapattoni - who would you replace him with?

[brine3]

Yes, I'm familiar with Co Adriaanse's CV. He has spent the last 10 years jumping between mid-east clubs to set himself up for his retirement. Now he has retired, but international football might be the gig he is looking for. And the FAI can afford him.

[tetsujin1979]

I've noticed a few articles lately saying that the next manager should attend underage games more often, and a caller mentioned it on Today FM earlier. Not sure why this is only coming up now, and why people are suddenly so insistent on it. As I posted elsewhere, Trapattoni did give out a large number of new caps, and promoted players from the U21's regularly, so I'm wondering why it's suddenly become an issue after he's left?

[bennocelt]

Perhaps Bennocelt then, you guys all moan the same.:D
Please excuse the mix up.


Ha what! Moaning, thanks.:D
At least I dont have my head in the sand. Remember it was 1/3 tournaments good or bad for 8 million? Value for money? I dont think so.
Some people would celebrate any old rubbish (ole ole)

[ArdeeBhoy]

Yes, I'm familiar with Co Adriaanse's CV. He has spent the last 10 years jumping between mid-east clubs to set himself up for his retirement. Now he has retired, but international football might be the gig he is looking for. And the FAI can afford him.


Yes, that really really sounds like the basis for an appointment. :rolleyes:
Stan returning would make more sense.

[mark12345]

Only if we want to compete with Brazilians, Germans and Spaniards. I'd be happy to compete with Sweden & Austria right now, and be able to look convincing against Kazakhstan. We DO have the players for that (look at Brady today) and we do have the players to play something other than hoofball. It's extraordinary how you and Peadar are playing into brine3's hands. Hoofball wins nothing in modern football and we all know it.

"We don't have the players". For what?
"We must play pretty football". No, we don't have to, but playing a more contemporary game will suit contemporary situations.

You're the voice of reason on here. Brine3 has some good points also.

And glad you mentioned Brady, who was one of the players in my original creative players that Trap had no time for argument.

[geysir]

Ha what! Moaning, thanks.:D
At least I dont have my head in the sand. Remember it was 1/3 tournaments good or bad for 8 million? Value for money? I dont think so.
Some people would celebrate any old rubbish (ole ole)
Well Benno, you never do tire of repeating that rancid juvenile sarcasm.

Could we have got better than Trap? possibly yes and possibly we could have got worse, like your hero Beenhakker :)
At least we didn't have to cheer the rubbish Leo served up for the people of Poland, regardless of what he cost.
The Beenhakker Slump, a synonym of a dive to the bottom of European international football.

[peadar1987]

We're not going to win trophies like Brazil and Barca, but we should be looking to the likes of Uruguay, Denmark and Croatia for inspiration. Countries with similar populations who have always at least tried to play football - even when they didn't have the players they have now. They often don't qualify, but they try to play football.

We don't have the players of Uruguay, Denmark and Croatia at the moment.



There's no point in playing hoofball if the most it leads to is a first round exit. We may as well give it a proper lash as far as playing football is concerned.

If we'd tried to play like Spain with the players we had at our disposal, we probably wouldn't have qualified for Euro 2012. Maybe it would have made you happy, but I prefer to have been there at the top table, even if ultimately, we were one of the worse teams who were good enough to qualify.



There is something seriously wrong with Irish football culture if passing the ball is derided as "tippy tappy" and compared unfavourably to ballet (what's wrong with ballet, by the way?).

I'm not deriding tippy-tappy football, it's very good when done right. We just don't have the players to play it like Spain can. And there's nothing wrong with ballet, just you shouldn't expect to get the same experience out of football.



That attitude is something that needs to be addressed at all levels. We can play football. We outdid Germany and Spain for possession at the 2002 World Cup. Trap has told us that we are no good and that we have no choice but to play hoofball and certain people are lapping it up.

How many players from 2002 are still playing for Ireland? 2? Maybe if we had Holland, Kinsella, Duff, Kilbane, McAteer, Keane and Kelly in their prime, we would be able to play a more passing game.


That said, I think Trap should have played a more attractive style of play because it would have been more effective with the players we have now. You, on the other hand, seem to think that tiki-taka is the solution to any footballing problem, even if you have a team of technically-limited giants at your disposal. If nothing else because you think it's pretty, and you feel entitled to have the national side play in a style you personally enjoy.

[brine3]

That said, I think Trap should have played a more attractive style of play because it would have been more effective with the players we have now. You, on the other hand, seem to think that tiki-taka is the solution to any footballing problem, even if you have a team of technically-limited giants at your disposal. If nothing else because you think it's pretty, and you feel entitled to have the national side play in a style you personally enjoy.

So you agree with me that we should play passing football because our players would be more effective to play like that, but because you don't want to be seen to agree with me, you make up a straw man about me being a tiki-taka aficionado. I don't like Barca's tiki-taka, it bores the life out of me... and it's not entirely effective either, they need some proper centre-backs in that team. God knows why they didn't buy Kompany and Vertonghen before Man City and Spurs snapped them up.

Passing the ball (I'm not referring to tiki-taka) is the most effective way to play football, you cold say the sport was designed to be played that way. Even the likes of New Zealand and Trinidad and Tobago managed to acquit themselves quite well playing a passing game at the World Cup, and they have players that are far, far inferior to ours.

Hoofball is the enemy of football. It's the quickest way to lose possession and put yourself straight back under pressure again. No international team ever won a major tournament playing it, and there's a reason for that. It doesn't work. Even Greece 2004 knew the basics of possession football - they didn't need to resort to hoofball. They were negative, defensive and disciplined, but they weren't hoofing it. Same with the great defensive Italian teams, I have a lot of time for them too.

[ArdeeBhoy]

Would you say Jack Charlton's teams played 'hoofball'?

And incidentally which international side currently plays your 'ideal' ​football...

[bennocelt]

Well Benno, you never do tire of repeating that rancid juvenile sarcasm.

Could we have got better than Trap? possibly yes and possibly we could have got worse, like your hero Beenhakker :)
At least we didn't have to cheer the rubbish Leo served up for the people of Poland, regardless of what he cost.
The Beenhakker Slump, a synonym of a dive to the bottom of European international football.

He got 1/2 for Poland, first time they got to a Euros, also got Tnt to a world cup. Granted he might not be doing a whole lot at the moment.
Why then are you not sticking up for Trap to continue? At least I have not changed my position from day one, but you have, funny that!

[Stuttgart88]

I've noticed a few articles lately saying that the next manager should attend underage games more often, and a caller mentioned it on Today FM earlier. Not sure why this is only coming up now, and why people are suddenly so insistent on it. As I posted elsewhere, Trapattoni did give out a large number of new caps, and promoted players from the U21's regularly, so I'm wondering why it's suddenly become an issue after he's left?yes, he did but he often chose strange players and at strange times, so mere numbers don't present the full picture. I'm sure there was a line of communication between King and Trap, but it's simply a part of the senior manager's responsibility to be aware of all the available talent and also to inspire and encourage the underage managers.

[Stuttgart88]

I have not changed my position from day one, but you have, funny that!
When the facts change I change my mind. What do you do sir?

That quote is often attributable to John Maynard Keynes, though some say it was Churchill.

The reality is that Trap's methods were effective at first but when it became obvious the methods were not working then it was time to reassess. I supported Trap in campaign 1, tended to think on balance he was doing well in campaign 2, despite serious concerns, and then thought he was awful in campaign 3. I suspect Geysir and many others were similar.

[brine3]

Would you say Jack Charlton's teams played 'hoofball'?

And incidentally which international side currently plays your 'ideal' ​football...

Yes, Charlton's teams were under instruction to hoof the ball up the pitch. It's possible we may have done slightly better had we been a bit more constructive.

I don't have an "ideal" type of football. You can play passing football in a number of different formations with a number of different styles (defensive, attacking, etc.). It depends on the players and opposition.

[ArdeeBhoy]

Hmm, so the real answer is, you "don't know". Which is what I suspected all along...

[brine3]

When the facts change I change my mind. What do you do sir?

That quote is often attributable to John Maynard Keynes, though some say it was Churchill.

The reality is that Trap's methods were effective at first but when it became obvious the methods were not working then it was time to reassess. I supported Trap in campaign 1, tended to think on balance he was doing well in campaign 2, despite serious concerns, and then thought he was awful in campaign 3. I suspect Geysir and many others were similar.

Yes, credit to Trap for cleaning up Stan's mess in the 2010 qualifiers. In the 2012 qualifiers the team player poorer than the 2010 qualifiers, but scraped through nonetheless. It was clear we were going to be destroyed in Poland unless we sorted out a few issues that Trap ignored. He continued to ignore them in Poland and right up to last week in Austria. He's a one trick trap a pony, and his one trick was found out long ago.

[brine3]

Hmm, so the real answer is, you "don't know". Which is what I suspected all along...

Stop being abrasive. I said it depends on the opposition. If you are playing the Faroe Islands you might play a more attacking passing football, if you are playing a top team then you might play a more defensive form of possession football, e.g. like Greece did in 2004.

But if you want to lose possession as quickly as possible and put your own team under pressure as quickly as possible, then hoofing it up the pitch is the way to go.

[ArdeeBhoy]

It's not abrasive. You're bleating on about our 'style' and have come up with the name of one washed-up Dutch coach who seems virtually retired and hardly any more 'in touch' than Trap...

Need to be realistic, not a whole lot of idealistic nonsense, which is what this sounds like. Sorry!

[brine3]

You have nothing to contribute yourself except to have a go at me all the time.

[ArdeeBhoy]

No, am just pointing out the flaws in your 'argument'.
That's all.

Isn't that the whole point of a MB?

[bennocelt]

When the facts change I change my mind. What do you do sir?

That quote is often attributable to John Maynard Keynes, though some say it was Churchill.

The reality is that Trap's methods were effective at first but when it became obvious the methods were not working then it was time to reassess. I supported Trap in campaign 1, tended to think on balance he was doing well in campaign 2, despite serious concerns, and then thought he was awful in campaign 3. I suspect Geysir and many others were similar.

But sure its handy to say that, but the facts are his system hasnt changed throughout all these campaigns.
So when he was doing "well" he was great, not so great when not qualifying. I get ya,lol

[Stuttgart88]

Read what I write, not what it suits you to think I write.

Unfortunately you're the one who won't change. Your tone is pathetic. You're a troll of the worst kind and the sly PMs like the one I just received probably hint at a mental health issue.

[bennocelt]

Read what I write, not what it suits you to think I write.

Unfortunately you're the one who won't change. Your tone is pathetic. You're a troll of the worst kind and the sly PMs like the one I just received probably hint at a mental health issue.

Stroppy again, and what messages, ha! they are not messages but neg reps - you are more than welcome to give me as many as you want

[Grafter]

Saw Alex Mcleish at West Brom game this weekend, hypothetically would we ever take to an ex Rangers manager? Are we big enough, secure enough and mature enough as a nation?

[ArdeeBhoy]

Don't have a problem but his style is not exactly universally popular. Ask Villa fans...

[brine3]

I have heard a lot in the last week or so about how being an International manager is pretty much a part time job. This might be a bit naive of me but instead of saying who we want for next Ireland manager maybe we should focus on what we want from the man in charge.

Trapattoni has now been told he needs to attend more games in England to watch players, but I would love to see the International manager as head of the the association, in the sense that everything feeds down and up from the underage teams to him. Going to see Premiership games should be a given, but he should be also regularly meeting with the underage coaches and going to underage games so that when players are developed and are ready for the International team they are used to the style of football, tactics and formations etc.

I know we have a Technical Director( whos name I cant rememeber at moment) in the FAI, but I wonder has Trap even met with him at any stage to discuss Irish football.

Id love for our manager to be passionate enough about Irish football so that he would fight to try bring our national league out of the dark ages. I dont mean he should just have a few token call ups to the squad from players in the league, but he should be a focal point that people could rally around to bring real change.

I know Im probably looking for an imaginary superman here.... but those are just a few points to show that the International manager should hardly have enough hours in the day to do his job properly rather than a soft part time job for retirement.

Morten Olsen fills such a role for Denmark, as well as being international manager he also reshaped the entire football coaching structure in Denmark. It's beginning to pay dividends now with some great young Danish players coming through.

Morten Olsen is on 390,000 euros a year.

The DBU are a mature organisation however. The FAI are childish and would never hand over so much power to a qualified professional.

[peadar1987]

So you agree with me that we should play passing football because our players would be more effective to play like that, but because you don't want to be seen to agree with me, you make up a straw man about me being a tiki-taka aficionado. I don't like Barca's tiki-taka, it bores the life out of me... and it's not entirely effective either, they need some proper centre-backs in that team. God knows why they didn't buy Kompany and Vertonghen before Man City and Spurs snapped them up.

No, I agree with you on quite a lot of things, just not that the primary point of football is to look nice. We'd be more effective with the players if we played a slightly more adventurous style of play, and attampted to keep the ball more. I want to see it happen because I think it would help Ireland win games. If, on the other hand, our only available central midfielders were Glenn Whelan and Paul Green, and our forwards were Gary Doherty and Jon Walters, the most effective tactic would be to have the midfielders sit deep, contain the opposition, break up the wings and try and win set pieces. Ugly, but effective with what we had at our disposal. At the moment, the best tactic would lie somewhere in between, for me:

Westwood
Sledge...Dunne...O'Shea...Wilson
McGeady...Gibson...McCarthy...Coleman
Keane
Walters

So still a derivative of 4-4-2, still relying on wingers for creativity, and the one major change is that Robbie Keane drops back and gives an extra option to midfield with Walters staying up front as a target man.



Passing the ball (I'm not referring to tiki-taka) is the most effective way to play football, you cold say the sport was designed to be played that way. Even the likes of New Zealand and Trinidad and Tobago managed to acquit themselves quite well playing a passing game at the World Cup, and they have players that are far, far inferior to ours.

Not always, it depends on the players you have. If your players aren't able to string three passes together without losing the ball, you might as well launch it forwards towards a target man hoping for a flick-on, or play a through-ball to a speedy winger, because that at least gives you a chance of creating something, rather than lose the ball in the centre of the park.

New Zealand played very defensive stuff at the last world cup, especially parking the bus against Italy: http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/archive/southafrica2010/matches/round=249722/match=300061482/report.html

They scored with their only shot on target, whereas Italy had 23 attempts on goal.

North Korea, on the other hand, had a go, and look where it got them.

It's not as simple as passing=good, hoofball=bad.



Hoofball is the enemy of football. It's the quickest way to lose possession and put yourself straight back under pressure again. No international team ever won a major tournament playing it, and there's a reason for that. It doesn't work. Even Greece 2004 knew the basics of possession football - they didn't need to resort to hoofball. They were negative, defensive and disciplined, but they weren't hoofing it. Same with the great defensive Italian teams, I have a lot of time for them too.

That's because tournament-winning teams have the personnel to play more technically challenging but effective styles of football. Even that Greece side relied on set pieces and attacking down the wings to relieve pressure. They were completely dominated in terms of possession all tournament. So pretty much like us until the later stages of this campaign when Trap's reign started to go off the rails a little.

[brine3]

Westwood
Sledge...Dunne...O'Shea...Wilson
McGeady...Gibson...McCarthy...Coleman
Keane
Walters

So still a derivative of 4-4-2, still relying on wingers for creativity, and the one major change is that Robbie Keane drops back and gives an extra option to midfield with Walters staying up front as a target man.


There is very little change here compared to what Trap has done. Robbie Keane has shown that he is incapable at dropping back into midfield. He is the Irish Pippo Inzaghi. He's a goal hanger... and a very good one, but he's no midfielder.

[brine3]

Westwood
Sledge...Dunne...O'Shea...Wilson
McGeady...Gibson...McCarthy...Coleman
Keane
Walters

So still a derivative of 4-4-2, still relying on wingers for creativity, and the one major change is that Robbie Keane drops back and gives an extra option to midfield with Walters staying up front as a target man.


There is very little change here compared to what Trap has done. Robbie Keane has shown that he is incapable at dropping back into midfield. He is the Irish Pippo Inzaghi. He's a goal hanger. A very good one, but he's no midfielder.

Also don't understand why anyone would pick Sledge at right back and put Coleman in left-midfield. Sledge is a stop gap centreback for Ireland if anything at all.

[ArdeeBhoy]

If Robbie gets a goal a game, or even every other game, he's worth keeping.

We don't have any strikers when he retires...

[peadar1987]

There is very little change here compared to what Trap has done. Robbie Keane has shown that he is incapable at dropping back into midfield. He is the Irish Pippo Inzaghi. He's a goal hanger. A very good one, but he's no midfielder.

Also don't understand why anyone would pick Sledge at right back and put Coleman in left-midfield. Sledge is a stop gap centreback for Ireland if anything at all.

I know, that's because Trap is not the antichrist, and the system doesn't need tearing down and rebuilding as much as just some intelligent evolution.

[brine3]

The problem for the last three years is that we are overrun in midfield with 4-4-2 with two holding midfielders. So, somebody posts a solution that involves us playing 4-4-2 with two holding midfielders. Madness.

And Coleman is one of the best right-backs in the Premier League. So why don't we play him at right back and not left-midfield?

[paul_oshea]

Yes, credit to Trap for cleaning up Stan's mess in the 2010 qualifiers. In the 2012 qualifiers the team player poorer than the 2010 qualifiers, but scraped through nonetheless. It was clear we were going to be destroyed in Poland unless we sorted o
ut a few issues that Trap ignored. He continued to ignore them in Poland and right up to last week in Austria. He's a one trick trap a pony, and his one trick was found out long ago.

I wholeheartedly agree with this. I think it was you and I who pointed this out after the Russia game. What I couldn't fathom is why he wouldn't change or address this. Perhaps its as simple as an old dog and new tricks.

[brine3]

Which Russia game? It was quite clear after the one in Dublin, where 3-2 totally flattered us. And clear as day after the one in Moscow.

[geysir]

He got 1/2 for Poland, first time they got to a Euros, also got Tnt to a world cup. Granted he might not be doing a whole lot at the moment.
Why then are you not sticking up for Trap to continue? At least I have not changed my position from day one, but you have, funny that!
The Beenhakker slump after taking Poland to the Euros, he came away with one draw there, then dived to the bottom of the next WC qual group, one of the most woeful slumps of any team in Europe and now he's redundant re being a manager in football.
But continue to idiotically wave your Leo flag Benno, continue the history revision and just wipe that 2 year Beenhakker slump out of history and then look for praise because you haven't changed your mind on Bennhakker from day one. :D

[Grafter]

If there's going to be a new manager for next month's games then a deal would really need to be in the gestation period now.... wonder if there's business being done as we tuck into Sunday lunch???

[bennocelt]

The Beenhakker slump after taking Poland to the Euros, he came away with one draw there, then dived to the bottom of the next WC qual group, one of the most woeful slumps of any team in Europe and now he's redundant re being a manager in football.
But continue to idiotically wave your Leo flag Benno, continue the history revision and just wipe that 2 year Beenhakker slump out of history and then look for praise because you haven't changed your mind on Bennhakker from day one. :D


Geysir, you brought his name up:rolleyes: (I might have mentioned him, among with other managers, about 5/6 years ago, but its great that you crawled back on my old posts). I guess he isnt working now as he is quite old.
We cant say how he would have done for Ireland because that never happened. Unlike Trap which happened.
So anymore 5/6 year old posts you care to bring up! That's desperate!

[tetsujin1979]

yes, he did but he often chose strange players and at strange times, so mere numbers don't present the full picture. I'm sure there was a line of communication between King and Trap, but it's simply a part of the senior manager's responsibility to be aware of all the available talent and also to inspire and encourage the underage managers.
that's true, and I agree with you on every point there, but I was wondering why this has only become an issue in the public domain now, after Trapattoni has left the setup, i.e. why was it never mentioned in the last 12 months?

[ArdeeBhoy]

This thread is going well.
May we thank our relative 'gods', we're not doing the choosing...

[bennocelt]

This thread is going well.
May we thank our relative 'gods', we're not doing the choosing...

Jesus 42 pages as well, that was quick. How many pages did the pre trap one get?

[Stuttgart88]

that's true, and I agree with you on every point there, but I was wondering why this has only become an issue in the public domain now, after Trapattoni has left the setup, i.e. why was it never mentioned in the last 12 months?
Probably because everyone took it as a given that Trap wouldn't be keeping a close eye on the underage teams!

[OwlsFan]

Stop being abrasive. I said it depends on the opposition. If you are playing the Faroe Islands you might play a more attacking passing football, if you are playing a top team then you might play a more defensive form of possession football, e.g. like Greece did in 2004.

But if you want to lose possession as quickly as possible and put your own team under pressure as quickly as possible, then hoofing it up the pitch is the way to go.

Did you see Liverpool trying to "play football" against Southampton ? They almost gave 3 away and then conceded one. Tell me how we "play football" with John O'Shea and Richard Dunne in central defence. You have to have all your players comfortable, including your keeper, on the ball. We gave away 3 of the goals in Euro 2012 by losing possession in our own half. You have been fed on a diet of Barcelona, Spain and Real Madrid and think this can work for us. Almost every time we have to tried to play the ball out, the opposition put pressure on us and we got no where and back it went to Forde, Westwood or Given. Time and time again it has happened and not through any instructions Trapp gave. Only one Irish manager really tried this brand of football and it was Johnny Giles. I can still see Mick Martin falling over himself when the ball was passed to him in front of the Irish goal and giving the ball away and conceding a goal. Giles, with much better players than we have now, didn't succeed and the fans didn't like his brand of football and got on his back and he left, never having qualified us for anything.

For fear of repeating myself Trap's brand of football worked away from home. However, he seemed incapable of adjusting it for home games and therein lies his failing in my eyes. A man famed for his organised defences couldn't hold on to leads against Sweden and Austria and the group would have been different if he could.

As to who the next manager will be, the FAI's last two appointments have been surprises. So it might not be Martin O'Neill. I would be afraid if they delay too long they will lose their man for we're just about to go in to the silly season with sackings (and vacancies) not too far away.

[brine3]

Well, if our starting position is to assume we can't play football, then it will become a self-fulfilling prophecy. That was pretty much the problem under Trap. James McCarthy is stroking the ball about the pitch for Wigan, then he plays for us and his legs turn to jelly.


You have been fed on a diet of Barcelona, Spain and Real Madrid and think this can work for us.

I addressed this straw man argument against me long ago. I actually cheer against Barcelona and Spain because I think they play too much tiki-taka and it gets in the way of playing football. I loved the Italian team at 2012 and was hoping they'd win in the final. Barcelona are stupid. They sold Yaya Toure and play Mascherano as a centre-back. They rightly and deservedly got tonked by Bayern Munich last season.


Only one Irish manager really tried this brand of football and it was Johnny Giles. I can still see Mick Martin falling over himself when the ball was passed to him in front of the Irish goal and giving the ball away and conceding a goal.

Like I said earlier, we outdid Germany and Spain in possession in our matches against them at the World Cup. Without Roy Keane. This is quite an achievement. In my opinion our 2002 team was our best ever. Who knows what would have happened if there had been no Saipan bustup. Look at the route Germany took to the final...

[Stuttgart88]

The Germany game in Ibaraki was on ESPN a few months ago. To say we played good football is complete revisionism, and to be honest I was surprised because I thought we played well. We did in the first half but we were utterly hapless at the back at times in the second half and apart from giving it to Duff or hoofing it long we showed nothing in the second.

That game could very easily have been 3-0 Germany and our first decent effort on goal in the second half was a Keane effort saved by Kahn on around 88 mins.

I'm kind of with you though. I don't think you're advocating pretty footy just for the sake of it. My point is that the game that Trap has resorted too in the last 18 months just doesn't work for us but that some degree of composed football combined with huff and puff would suit us better. Stockholm was a good example. We played really well out there. Cynics would say we had no shots on goal, but we were a sloppy finish or a sloppy final ball away from beating them, and deservedly so.

Is there anyone here who doesn't believe that that type of performance would serve us better than hoofball to Sammon, or Walters? Is there anyone here who doesn't believe that just one of Gibson or Hoolahan would probably make us play better and make results more likely?

We do have it in our toolkit to get results - enough to get playoff places - with the current players available to us. We need to trust them to play and not fear the occasional mistake.

[Closed Account 2]

Another Italian manager is a possibility now... What are the odds on mad Paolo getting the gig?

[DannyInvincible]

Paul O'Dicanneogh?

[brine3]

Yes, I was at the match in Stockholm and that was a fairly decent performance. I felt we could have nicked that one if Hoolahan had been on earlier, and perhaps if Walters was up front for a while. We were fairly lucky that Zlatan had an off-day, though.

Shame that Trap mucked everything against Austria with his mad substitutions that basically let the Austrians run riot for the final part of the match. Hoof the ball up to Conor Sammon. Ball comes straight back to our end 10 seconds later. Rinse and repeat.

[geysir]

Geysir, you brought his name up:rolleyes: (I might have mentioned him, among with other managers, about 5/6 years ago, but its great that you crawled back on my old posts). I guess he isnt working now as he is quite old.
We cant say how he would have done for Ireland because that never happened. Unlike Trap which happened.
So anymore 5/6 year old posts you care to bring up! That's desperate!
Eh Benno, it's quite germane who you thought would be good for us instead of Trap, during Trap's early years, especially when you trumpet just how smart you were all the time and sneer (in most every post) at every other Irish fan.
The manager of your choice for the Irish job, turned out to be the biggest failure in the history of Polish football.
Maybe Benno, just offer your opinions without assuming you're something special and everybody else is just a dumb member of the sheep flock.
and btw, ole for Leo too ;) and thank fxk he wasn't our manager.

[bennocelt]

Eh Benno, it's quite germane who you thought would be good for us instead of Trap, during Trap's early years, especially when you trumpet just how smart you were all the time and sneer (in most every post) at every other Irish fan.
The manager of your choice for the Irish job, turned out to be the biggest failure in the history of Polish football.
Maybe Benno, just offer your opinions without assuming you're something special and everybody else is just a dumb member of the sheep flock.
and btw, ole for Leo too ;) and thank fxk he wasn't our manager.

5 years ago Geysir!!!! Funny how he was given some big reward in Poland on behalf of the Polish people as well for his good work with poland in the euros, our Leo.
One bad campaign one good. Hardly the worst job ever in football, probably taking it easy now on a beach somewhere in Dubai, and one of a few managers I talked about 5 years ago (Otto Rehhagel, Roy Hodgson)
I didnt mention him this time, big deal, he is ancient anyway. Who did you suggest 5 years ago, I couldn't be bothered to trawl back in time. Might be a better idea to actual show my old posts when talking about them!
Thats a "what if" anyway.
Trap was a reality. We are not going to the World Cup. Enjoy that.
Bit of a difference.

This time i think MON is the best candidate -maybe not the most exciting football but a great man manager, what you think?

[jbyrne]

In the 2012 qualifiers the team player poorer than the 2010 qualifiers, but scraped through nonetheless.

4 pts ahead of 3rd in our group and a 5-1 play-off win would suggest otherwise

[ArdeeBhoy]

Ha ha.
This thread is desperate at this stage...