View Full Version : Trapattoni - who would you replace him with?
brine3
23/09/2013, 9:15 AM
4 pts ahead of 3rd in our group and a 5-1 play-off win would suggest otherwise
Well that's it then, why bother watching the matches at all, we can just follow the team on teletext.
brine3
23/09/2013, 9:17 AM
Eh Benno, it's quite germane who you thought would be good for us instead of Trap, during Trap's early years, especially when you trumpet just how smart you were all the time and sneer (in most every post) at every other Irish fan.
The manager of your choice for the Irish job, turned out to be the biggest failure in the history of Polish football.
Maybe Benno, just offer your opinions without assuming you're something special and everybody else is just a dumb member of the sheep flock.
and btw, ole for Leo too ;) and thank fxk he wasn't our manager.
That's a bit rough on Beenhakker.
You could also argue that we appointed one of the biggest management failures in the history of the Italian national team. With all that talent at his disposal, the only teams he managed to beat in two finals were Bulgaria and Ecuador.
paul_oshea
23/09/2013, 9:42 AM
Lads off topic but did anyone hear Philly McMahon mention how the shamrock rovers lads would be slagging him cos the dubs players getting cramp towards the end of the match and he is strength and conditioning coach.
tetsujin1979
23/09/2013, 9:47 AM
Yes, I was at the match in Stockholm and that was a fairly decent performance. I felt we could have nicked that one if Hoolahan had been on earlier, and perhaps if Walters was up front for a while. We were fairly lucky that Zlatan had an off-day, though.
Shame that Trap mucked everything against Austria with his mad substitutions that basically let the Austrians run riot for the final part of the match. Hoof the ball up to Conor Sammon. Ball comes straight back to our end 10 seconds later. Rinse and repeat.
sounds like your posts here for the last few weeks
ArdeeBhoy
23/09/2013, 9:50 AM
Ha ha, see above. ^^^
paul_oshea
23/09/2013, 9:53 AM
Ha Ha, Rinse and Repeat. see above ^^^
osarusan
23/09/2013, 9:53 AM
There is a middle ground between aimless hoofs and tika-taka. And it doesn't make much sense to argue about how we conceded goals in the Euro finals, so we won't be able to pass the ball.
The fact that the combination of players and tactics used in Poland saw us concede goals against quality opposition at the Euros does not mean that we can not find a combination of players and tactics that will allow us to keep the ball better.
geysir
23/09/2013, 10:00 AM
That's a bit rough on Beenhakker.
You could also argue that we appointed one of the biggest management failures in the history of the Italian national team. With all that talent at his disposal, the only teams he managed to beat in two finals were Bulgaria and Ecuador.
Aw shucks, is that a bit rough on Beenhakker? the worst flop in Polish football history and worst performing manager in the Euro 2010 qualifiers.
ArdeeBhoy
23/09/2013, 10:05 AM
Suffice to say it won't be Leo! Or any other senile Dutchman...
geysir
23/09/2013, 10:12 AM
5 years ago Geysir!!!! Funny how he was given some big reward in Poland on behalf of the Polish people as well for his good work with poland in the euros, our Leo.
One bad campaign one good. Hardly the worst job ever in football, probably taking it easy now on a beach somewhere in Dubai, and one of a few managers I talked about 5 years ago (Otto Rehhagel, Roy Hodgson)
I didnt mention him this time, big deal, he is ancient anyway. Who did you suggest 5 years ago, I couldn't be bothered to trawl back in time. Might be a better idea to actual show my old posts when talking about them!
Thats a "what if" anyway.
Trap was a reality. We are not going to the World Cup. Enjoy that.
Bit of a difference.
This time i think MON is the best candidate -maybe not the most exciting football but a great man manager, what you think?
I repeat, because it appears to have gone way over your head. When somebody here takes the píss out of other posters for 5 years for perceived sheep like activity, then boasts about their own football acumen for 5 years, then it's quite germane to see who they fancied 5 years ago for the irish job, instead of Trap. And that fancy you had 5 years ago, turned out to be the biggest failure in Polish qualification history and the biggest flop of 2010 qualifiers.
Take it on the chin Benno, instead of squealing and searching the bottom of the barrel for excuses.
I don't know who are the other candidates to MON, I think the FAI should wait on this appointment and not just appoint the first one in the first queue. If MON got the job, I don't know how he would do, appointing an intl manager is a guess, Croatia appointing Bilic was a gamble, the Belgian manager was a gamble etc. The proof is ion the pudding.
mypost
23/09/2013, 10:35 AM
In October and November, more European coaches will be looking for a new job. Some will have gone out of the WC by an away goal, some will have a variety of knockouts from goal difference to honourable group finishes, and others will simply see their contracts expire.
There are months and months and months of time to get the next appointment right. Hiring from what is available at this time is rash and ludicrous. I know that the Celtic crowd are desperate for MON to get it, but if he did, who's to say he would even begin next year's campaign when the next EPL job interests him?
We'll get the games out of the way in October, then focus on the future.
tetsujin1979
23/09/2013, 10:42 AM
King could be put in temporary charge for the qualifiers in October: http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/king-tipped-for-caretaker-role-as-fai-waver-over-oneill-29598793.html
bennocelt
23/09/2013, 10:56 AM
I repeat, because it appears to have gone way over your head. When somebody here takes the píss out of other posters for 5 years for perceived sheep like activity, then boasts about their own football acumen for 5 years, then it's quite germane to see who they fancied 5 years ago for the irish job, instead of Trap. And that fancy you had 5 years ago, turned out to be the biggest failure in Polish qualification history and the biggest flop of 2010 qualifiers.
Take it on the chin Benno, instead of squealing and searching the bottom of the barrel for excuses.
I don't know who are the other candidates to MON, I think the FAI should wait on this appointment and not just appoint the first one in the first queue. If MON got the job, I don't know how he would do, appointing an intl manager is a guess, Croatia appointing Bilic was a gamble, the Belgian manager was a gamble etc. The proof is ion the pudding.
That's a desperately bad effort for you to disprove me.
Got Poland to their first ever Euros, where they played very well, were unlucky (Remember Howard Webb and that dodgy decision!). The Polish were so happy with getting there they gave Leo their highest award (some Order of whatever), given by the Polish president. In the world cup qualifiers they messed up, sure, I accept that. But Poland hadnt a decent striker (Lewandolski wasn't fully bloodied), no Robbie Keane. Germany, on the other hand, had Poldoski and Klose (Polish born). Was in Poland actually in and around the time. Polish didnt have much against him, realising that they didnt have a great team anyway. And they havent done a whole lot since then either!
Also this is the guy that got T n T to a world cup, where they also played decent football. Not losing every game or getting their arse kicked! Now that was some achievement.
But, of course, you know otherwise!:rolleyes:
He might have done something for us, who knows, I stand by that.
My other choices - well Otto is still doing well with Greece, and Roy will get England to the world cup - probably to a usual quarter finals.
Again how are your choices doing???????????
(give me some credit - At least i didnt say Paul Jewells, or P Trouisser!)
Stuttgart88
23/09/2013, 11:15 AM
You make intuitive sense mypost. However, my gut instinct is that decisive action is required.
For all the justified criticism of Trap's last 18 months, there is definitely something that can be built on. Every point in the next campaign will be crucial and it'll be a help if the new manager has had 4 games and several spells with the players in advance of the first game. We're not going to change to a continental-style team anytime soon so a British-based manager is likely to be what works best. I also genuinely think we need an Irishman. I personally don't doubt Trap's integrity (which isn't to say I'm not critical of the lack of time he spent at matches), but I think there's a risk of another overseas coach using this as a stepping stone or a transitory appointment - just as you think MON might.
I think an Irishman will capture the imagination and bring crowds back, a vital 12th man element that all but disappeared since we moved back to Lansdowne. Another continental appointment could be met with cynicism. Yes, this is a "soft" consideration but I think a united front is important, with fans, players and media all rallying behind the team rather than using every minor incident to knock it and engage in national self-loathing.
Martin O'Neill ticks all the boxes. He won't reinvent the wheel but he'd adapt the better parts of Trap's thinking and add a vital element of self-belief and motivation.
MON for now, McCarthy as his possible successor by which time he'll be done with club football. It'd also be nice to think a homegrown coach could be a very serious contender next time out.
paul_oshea
23/09/2013, 11:18 AM
In October and November, more European coaches will be looking for a new job. Some will have gone out of the WC by an away goal, some will have a variety of knockouts from goal difference to honourable group finishes, and others will simply see their contracts expire.
There are months and months and months of time to get the next appointment right. Hiring from what is available at this time is rash and ludicrous. I know that the Celtic crowd are desperate for MON to get it, but if he did, who's to say he would even begin next year's campaign when the next EPL job interests him?
We'll get the games out of the way in October, then focus on the future.
Ah, you have removed your hands from your face, taken off the hard helmet and crawled out of the bunker!
Closed Account 2
23/09/2013, 11:44 AM
I dont know if O'Neill would be in it for the long term, and I think mypost's theory that he could go for a premier league job next summer - in effect before the qualifiers for Euro 2016 begin - is a real possibility. To a degree it's possible with any manager we appoint, but I think O'Neill is less stable than say Mick was when he got the job after Jack Charlton. If a great candidate is available now then yes, appoint him, but waiting a few months (even to the turn of the year) shouldnt cost us anything.
As he says, a lot of candidates might be available when teams miss out on WC2014 via playoffs or finishing 3rd in tighter groups. For example Morten Olsen, Michal Bilek, Paulo Bento, possibly Didier Deschamps, Oscar Tabares and Roy Hodgson, could all be available by November, all are international managers and all have lead international teams to major tournaments or had (relative) sucess in European Club competitions. Some of them are perhaps not suitable, but if say Hodgson or Deschamps are given the boot by England or France I think it would be silly of the FAI not to at least consider them alongside MON.
mypost
23/09/2013, 11:44 AM
Also this is the guy that got T n T to a world cup, where they also played decent football. Not losing every game or getting their arse kicked! Now that was some achievement.
But, of course, you know otherwise!:rolleyes:
He might have done something for us, who knows, I stand by that.
He wasn't up against Spain and Italy in that World Cup. If he was, he probably would have lost every game and got a few boots for good measure.
You make intuitive sense mypost. However, my gut instinct is that decisive action is required.
For all the justified criticism of Trap's last 18 months, there is definitely something that can be built on. Every point in the next campaign will be crucial and it'll be a help if the new manager has had 4 games and several spells with the players in advance of the first game. We're not going to change to a continental-style team anytime soon so a British-based manager is likely to be what works best. I also genuinely think we need an Irishman. I personally don't doubt Trap's integrity (which isn't to say I'm not critical of the lack of time he spent at matches), but I think there's a risk of another overseas coach using this as a stepping stone or a transitory appointment - just as you think MON might.
I think an Irishman will capture the imagination and bring crowds back, a vital 12th man element that all but disappeared since we moved back to Lansdowne. Another continental appointment could be met with cynicism. Yes, this is a "soft" consideration but I think a united front is important, with fans, players and media all rallying behind the team rather than using every minor incident to knock it and engage in national self-loathing.
MON for now, McCarthy as his possible successor by which time he'll be done with club football. It'd also be nice to think a homegrown coach could be a very serious contender next time out.
McCarthy had his shot, he shouldn't get another go. He wasn't averse to rigid defensive tactics or rewarding loyalty to players when he was here either. With varying degrees of success.
And every minor incident will be knocked and loathed by all and sundry, regardless who is in the chair. In international football, every incident is a big one.
A sobering result at the German WCQ party is not the ideal way to begin any international tenure. There will be at least 4-6 games in the new year before the qualifiers start, for the new coach to work on his squad.
Those who demanded immediate action last time wanted Paul Jewell. Instead, we took our time, and got a proven winner who took us very far in the time he was here. Now as then, I want more haste, less speed.
bennocelt
23/09/2013, 12:01 PM
He wasn't up against Spain and Italy in that World Cup. If he was, he probably would have lost every game and got a few boots for good measure.
Might have got a draw with Croatia though?:p
ArdeeBhoy
23/09/2013, 12:15 PM
Roy Hodgson? Nice bloke (met twice) but no thanks?
What about MO'N for a two game 'trial...as in the last two qualifiers.
Stuttgart88
23/09/2013, 12:19 PM
Do you think MON's ego would accept that?
I actually wanted Hodgson in 2008.
What about El Tel?:)
Lagerback with Pat Walker as assistant?
ArdeeBhoy
23/09/2013, 12:26 PM
Might be glad of it, dip his toe etc.
And Pat Walker? Reasonably obscure...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_Walker
peadar1987
23/09/2013, 12:29 PM
Eddie Gormley is out of work at the moment
Stuttgart88
23/09/2013, 12:36 PM
Might be glad of it, dip his toe etc.
And Pat Walker? Reasonably obscure...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_WalkerIf LL was a serious contender PW could provide the bridge between the Irish and Scandi thinking.
ArdeeBhoy
23/09/2013, 1:17 PM
Hmm, no offence, but you might just be over-thinking the amount of Irish thinking being brought to this particular table...
Happy with a Scando-coach but if there was a 'link man' would prefer someone with greater current knowledge of the domestic game, if only to slightly appease the LOI heads.
Closed Account 2
23/09/2013, 2:01 PM
Roy Hodgson? Nice bloke (met twice) but no thanks?
What about MO'N for a two game 'trial...as in the last two qualifiers.
Just out of interest why not Hodgson? To me he has a lot of the prerequisites, he's managed national teams successfully, taking a fairly medicore Switzerland to USA 1994 finishing second in a qualification group with Italy, Portgual and Scotland (who were better in 1992-4 than now) once at the World Cup they, like us, finished 2nd in the group and went out in the first knockouts (to Spain instead of Holland). He got them through topping a group for Euro 96 (which included them, Turkey, Sweden - who were 3rd at the WC94), all this was with a Swiss team that wasnt that great and man for man was probably worse than our team at the time. He also took a very poor Finland side to within 3 points of qualification for Euro 2008.
In terms of clubs he wasn't that great at Liverpool, but the club was in turmoil at the time with the Gillette and Hicks regieme ending and Henry taking over. It's not like Dalgelish did that much better the year after. He did well at West Brom and Fulham (initially saving them from relegation and then taking them to a Europa League final) and has won a lot of titles in Sweden and Denmark.
To me he seems like a good candidate, he's managed internationally, he's managed clubs in England (where the bulk of our squad play their football) and has even signed a few of our squad players like Long, Andrews, Duff (obviously now out of the picture for us) and (i think) Stephen Kelly. He's also got experience of the European game, his teams play dynamic football - at Fulham he would mix it up using wingers like Duff and Davies but also using pacey strikers like Johnston or targetmen (like Zamora) depending on what was required. If England get rid of him I would like to think the FAI would consider him a contender as well as Martin O'Neill.
brine3
23/09/2013, 2:14 PM
Suffice to say it won't be Leo! Or any other senile Dutchman...
That's right, you know all about Co Adriaanse because you read his Wikipedia page.
ArdeeBhoy
23/09/2013, 2:36 PM
Just out of interest why not Hodgson? To me he has a lot of the prerequisites, he's managed national teams successfully, taking a fairly medicore Switzerland to USA 1994 finishing second in a qualification group with Italy, Portgual and Scotland (who were better in 1992-4 than now) once at the World Cup they, like us, finished 2nd in the group and went out in the first knockouts (to Spain instead of Holland). He got them through topping a group for Euro 96 (which included them, Turkey, Sweden - who were 3rd at the WC94), all this was with a Swiss team that wasnt that great and man for man was probably worse than our team at the time. He also took a very poor Finland side to within 3 points of qualification for Euro 2008.
In terms of clubs he wasn't that great at Liverpool, but the club was in turmoil at the time with the Gillette and Hicks regieme ending and Henry taking over. It's not like Dalgelish did that much better the year after. He did well at West Brom and Fulham (initially saving them from relegation and then taking them to a Europa League final) and has won a lot of titles in Sweden and Denmark.
To me he seems like a good candidate, he's managed internationally, he's managed clubs in England (where the bulk of our squad play their football) and has even signed a few of our squad players like Long, Andrews, Duff (obviously now out of the picture for us) and (i think) Stephen Kelly. He's also got experience of the European game, his teams play dynamic football - at Fulham he would mix it up using wingers like Duff and Davies but also using pacey strikers like Johnston or targetmen (like Zamora) depending on what was required. If England get rid of him I would like to think the FAI would consider him a contender as well as Martin O'Neill.
Fair comment, but 'Ingerland' & Liverpool fans would probably disagree, though accept he did a great job at Fulham. WBA, was more on the medicocre side...
That's right, you know all about Co Adriaanse because you read his Wikipedia page.
Tad delayed reaction! Co would probably have beat you to it. The last thing we want is a washed up reject...rinsed or otherwise.
;)
Realise MO'N does tick 1-2 boxes in that respect, but suspect he'd have rather more energy still than the Adriaanses & Trapps of this world...
brine3
23/09/2013, 3:07 PM
You know nothing about Adriaanse.
ArdeeBhoy
23/09/2013, 3:24 PM
And you know him personally?
Yard of Pace
23/09/2013, 3:49 PM
Eddie Gormley is out of work at the moment
Well, I did spend a good few years of my life in Dublin standing in Richmond singing "Eddie For Ireland".
I'd like MON, I have to say. If you can have a listen to his speech that he gave in the Aras a few years ago on what it is to be Irish.....it was organized by the McAleese's. It was spine-tingling stuff.
tetsujin1979
23/09/2013, 3:54 PM
You know nothing about Adriaanse.
what exactly do you know about him?
geysir
23/09/2013, 4:25 PM
Will the the FAI take the obvious route and appoint popular (manager in waiting) MON or wait and see?
I kinda expect them to anoint MON soon as possible. If the FAI decided to prolong the process with a managerial search and interview committee, then that's saying we're not satisfied with MON as it stands now and we might get somebody better.
If after 4 months, how is it going to look if the FAI have to go back to MON, cap in hand?
The obvious criticism would be, why didn't they do it in the first instance so MON could get involved as early as as possible.
And even if an alternate to MON appointment was made, like some narky Dutchman, the shadow of not appointing MON would be looming large, especially if the new appointee left after a year, in a huff.
ArdeeBhoy
23/09/2013, 4:39 PM
They're taking their time even now.
If I was them would have appointed MO'N on an annual rolling contract, results-related to run till say next August, with some back-ups in mind if it doesn't mutually work out.
Stuttgart88
23/09/2013, 4:44 PM
By waiting, they'd also risk losing Mon when the next batch of premiership vacancies emerge in next few weeks. Ok, so Sunderland has already been done but I'm sure others will be on the table in next few weeks . It might be too early to tell whose job might be next on the block but the next few weeks will give a clearer picture.
paul_oshea
23/09/2013, 5:10 PM
Will the the FAI take the obvious route and appoint popular (manager in waiting) MON or wait and see?
I kinda expect them to anoint MON soon as possible. If the FAI decided to prolong the process with a managerial search and interview committee, then that's saying we're not satisfied with MON as it stands now and we might get somebody better.
If after 4 months, how is it going to look if the FAI have to go back to MON, cap in hand?
The obvious criticism would be, why didn't they do it in the first instance so MON could get involved as early as as possible.
And even if an alternate to MON appointment was made, like some narky Dutchman, the shadow of not appointing MON would be looming large, especially if the new appointee left after a year, in a huff.
Are you saying you are ignoring what was written in the articles today about Delaney sending out feelers about O'neill and how he was perceived amongst his peers minus Robertson?
I'd like to think you are right.
The training etc, isn't that big a part of international football, there is only so much you can do anyway. What we need is a master tactician and motivator and someone who can adapt the team when needs be. For that reason I like the idea of Martin O'Neill, but then again I'm unsure who else is really available.
geysir
23/09/2013, 5:37 PM
Are you saying you are ignoring what was written in the articles today about Delaney sending out feelers about O'neill and how he was perceived amongst his peers minus Robertson?
I'd like to think you are right.
The training etc, isn't that big a part of international football, there is only so much you can do anyway. What we need is a master tactician and motivator and someone who can adapt the team when needs be. For that reason I like the idea of Martin O'Neill, but then again I'm unsure who else is really available.
I didn't read any articles today, and yes I see the Indo one cast the most doubts about MON getting the nod.
Unlike you, I don't care that much about being right, I'm constantly making guesses :)
I see the Indo article states that King is being considered as interim. We have 2 competitive u21 games next month, why fxck around with their preparation?
That doesn't make sense to me, so it could cast doubts on the veracity of the Indo article.
MON is a top candidate no doubt.
Stuttgart88
23/09/2013, 5:43 PM
They're probably right to consider applications and consider all candidates but a lot of this should have been done already. It's not as if Trap's departure is any great surprise. Maybe the board was unanimous about O'Neill but O'Neill is keeping his options open. The FAI are saving credibility by putting out a holding message like that in the Indo.
DannyInvincible
23/09/2013, 5:56 PM
I'd like MON, I have to say. If you can have a listen to his speech that he gave in the Aras a few years ago on what it is to be Irish.....it was organized by the McAleese's. It was spine-tingling stuff.
The full audio recording of that speech is on YouTube. This is the first of the four parts on there:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsKFaSbdCEY
Closed Account 2
23/09/2013, 6:09 PM
By waiting, they'd also risk losing Mon when the next batch of premiership vacancies emerge in next few weeks. Ok, so Sunderland has already been done but I'm sure others will be on the table in next few weeks . It might be too early to tell whose job might be next on the block but the next few weeks will give a clearer picture.
I'm not sure, it's only around 8 weeks until the WC playoffs are over, will any premier league managers get the boot in that time? Looking at last year Di Matteo and Hughes went just after that, the season before Bruce went a week after that (30th Nov 2011), and the year before that (2010-11) the first managerial change wasn't until December (when Hughton left Newcastle) - unless you count MoN walking out at Villa in August 2010, but that was 5 days before the season started.
It would be very early for a manager to get the boot before the playoffs, even before the turn of the year is pretty rare in recent times. There is only Di Matteo (trigger happy owner), Hughes (a year doing badly at QPR, when he was finally sacked it looked like they could finish with the lowest points tally in the PL), Hughton (again bizzare owner) and now Di Canio (totally fruitcake of a manager) where this has occured. Who do you see as likely to get the sack? Sunderland have already done it, the three relegated teams all have managers with a degree of credit in the bank as Holloway, Bruce and Mackay have all acheived unexpected promotions (except maybe the latter) and all are perhaps planning for a struggle anyway. Who else could get dragged into it in the next few weeks? Norwich, West Ham, West Brom (again managers with a degree of credit), Fulham, Villa, Newcastle (these three might be more likely to sack their managers as they haven over achieved last season) but again it would be very early for them to do it. And if they were to sack the manager could he then not be a strong candidate for our job? I wouldn't mind considering any of Hughton, Steve Clarke, Lambert or even Pardew, I would be a bit dubious over Jol and wouldnt really want Allerdyce (who would leave us as soon as the Barca or Madrid job came up :) ) but all of these mangers have done at least as well as MoN in the last few years and do any of them play drastically less attractive football?
IsMiseSean
23/09/2013, 7:07 PM
Bert/Bart Van Marwijk has been confirmed as the new HSV manager. I seen him mentioned a few pages back as a possibility...
Stuttgart88
23/09/2013, 7:09 PM
I think Jol, Hughton and Holloway are all vulnerable to a few more weeks of bad results. There seems to be a trend of firing earlier rather than later these days. I don't think he'd go near Palace but the other two have merits. Newcastle would be Sunderland part 2, a crazy club with a director of football model that O'Neill would have no time for.
I reckon if O'Neill isn't appointed before Germany it'll be someone else.
Edit: I should have added Moyes above :)
brine3
23/09/2013, 7:14 PM
what exactly do you know about him?
I could say which countries I've lived in and which countries' football I've followed, but this thread is already too much a of a pißing contest.
ArdeeBhoy
23/09/2013, 7:18 PM
I think Jol, Hughton and Holloway are all vulnerable to a few more weeks of bad results. There seems to be a trend of firing earlier rather than later these days. I don't think he'd go near Palace but the other two have merits. Newcastle would be Sunderland part 2, a crazy club with a director of football model that O'Neill would have no time for.
I reckon if O'Neill isn't appointed before Germany it'll be someone else.
Seriously?
The FAI may not be in a position to rush their 'preferred' choice. Though if Hughton became available...
Also, the question of Noel King?
http://thescore.thejournal.ie/poll-would-you-be-happy-noel-king-ireland-boss-1097258-Sep2013/?utm_source=facebook_short
brine3
23/09/2013, 7:56 PM
Hughton is a good manager. I also like the idea of a second-generation Irish manager born in England, seeing as our players ply their trade in England. It creates a nice link. But having listened to the MON Youtube link, he also identifies very well with the overseas Irish. Nice to hear. Just wasn't impressed with his stints at Villa and Sunderland.
ArdeeBhoy
23/09/2013, 8:01 PM
Except MO'N got Villa in the top 6, 3 years in a row...
Sunderland, a basket case of a club, clearly was less successful.
geysir
23/09/2013, 8:04 PM
If MON does not want to be rushed into a decision, then he doesn't wan't the job enough.
Then the FAI move on, down that well trodden trail.
Closed Account 2
23/09/2013, 8:11 PM
I think Jol, Hughton and Holloway are all vulnerable to a few more weeks of bad results. There seems to be a trend of firing earlier rather than later these days. I don't think he'd go near Palace but the other two have merits. Newcastle would be Sunderland part 2, a crazy club with a director of football model that O'Neill would have no time for.
I reckon if O'Neill isn't appointed before Germany it'll be someone else.
Edit: I should have added Moyes above :)
All things being equal I would probably go for Hughton over MON, I think his spells at Newcastle, Birmingham and Norwich have been a bit better than MON's at Villa and Sunderland. Both have managed a few of our squad at their clubs, but hasn't Hughton been involved in our youth setup a while ago? I wouldn't be too overjoyed with I'll but he does have a degree of success at club level.
If Moyes does go soon I reckon Fergie would go back.
tetsujin1979
23/09/2013, 8:20 PM
I could say which countries I've lived in and which countries' football I've followed, but this thread is already too much a of a pißing contest.
So just reveal what you know that isn't available online
Closed Account 2
23/09/2013, 8:22 PM
I'll is Jol in that post, thanks to predictive text, for some reason I can't edit it.
tetsujin1979
23/09/2013, 8:43 PM
Noel King has been announced as interim manager, according to Off The Ball just now
<EDIT>
confirmed by the FAI: https://twitter.com/FAIreland/statuses/382243299106779136
Noel King has been appointed as caretaker manager of the Irish senior men's team. Full story available on http://www.fai.ie (http://t.co/Y8xfZimpKB) shortly
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