Trapattoni - who would you replace him with?

[BonnieShels]

There is no way in hell that clown will be given the job and if he is...

[ArdeeBhoy]

Never say 'never'...
:(

[Emmet7]

Martin O'Neill's record overall at Sunderland wasn't that great to be fair. It's been a while since he did anything decent and that was only by spending big at Villa or when he had John Robertson by his side.

Roy Keane still has the potential to be a good manager if he can learn to park his ego.

Apart from that the choices out there are slim enough.

[Emmet7]

I think it's very unfair on the managers being considered and interviewed for the job that their names etc... are being leaked to the media. Today the word was that Cuper was interviewed during the week and that a call was to be made to Hiddink to canvas his interest... that's just some of it.....
Someone in the FAI needs to keep a lid on things IMO

There is no chance Hiddink would take the job. His annual salary at most of his recent jobs was +5 million. He'll also take one look at our pool of talent and say no thanks. Like a lot of managers, the guy isn't a fool. He isn't going to risk his reputation.

[elroy]

Whoever gets the job, I hope they make sensible team selections - please no more strikers playing on the wing, playing obvious inferior players instead of superior players that are left on the bench or not even in the squad, communicate properly with players and media and aim to play in a structured manner that have some sophistication (i.e. not just hoof and chase).

[Stuttgart88]

Elroy, did you read Brian Kerr's preview? He was going on about how King won't be making such bizarre selections. Then what happened?!

I think the FAI should stipulate in the new managers contract that strikers on the wing means a stackable offence.

[ArdeeBhoy]

stackable offence.

;)

Graham?

[Stuttgart88]

Sorry, my iPad auto corrects! Sackable.

[ArdeeBhoy]

'Cr*p Trap'?

http://thescore.thejournal.ie/trapattoni-ireland-review-1127235-Oct2013/

[ArdeeBhoy]

Pal who has FAI contact reckons MO'N will neither be offered or would take the Ireland job...

[elroy]

Elroy, did you read Brian Kerr's preview? He was going on about how King won't be making such bizarre selections. Then what happened?!

I think the FAI should stipulate in the new managers contract that strikers on the wing means a stackable offence.

I didnt, but im not surprised Kerr said that. He is mates with Noel King after all so is bound to support the lad. Either way, I dont think criticism of King does an awful lot. It just shows that these were two games that the new manager really couldve used to experiment, with nothing to lose.

Giles comments on the OTB the other night about O'Neill were insightful and concerning. He basically said that if O'Neill really wanted the job, he wouldve been in place for these games. It is Giles understanding that O'Neill was approached but is keeping his options open.

[Fergie's Son]

That makes sense to me, Gules comment on O'Neill that is. His name seems to pop up whenever a mid to lower level English team is mentioned. Frankly I would prefer if we took a gamble on a younger coach. Perhaps even a continental.

[Emmet7]

Whoever gets the job has the right to pick any players and style he wants and players in any position he wants.

To be honest we were always going to get hockeyed by the Germans no matter what players we played or in what position. It was a dead rubber game. Putting Doyle up front wouldn't have made a difference. Playing McClean who had a few good games for Sunderland a year ago but has done nothing since wouldnt have made a difference. He's the most left footed player ever. A professional footballer who can't pass, cross or shoot with their weaker foot shouldn't be on a national team.

To be fair we have a limited group of players who usually get shown up against the Germanys, Spains and Italys of this world. Damage limitation is always the best hope against these teams realistically. Its games against the likes of Austria and Sweden we need to worry about in future.

[dr_peepee]

The Doc knows who the new manager is apparently..... Had always thought The Doc=St Ledger was just a bit of banter but he named Kelly and Delaney in the back four the day before the team was announced. Anyway he reckons the new manager is already in waiting and is supposed to be good.

[Stuttgart88]

So it's not a Noël King then? Or Nigel Pearson.

[ArdeeBhoy]

Erm, why would it be either? Or even McLeish too, no thanks to any of them.

[Yard of Pace]

The Doc knows who the new manager is apparently..... Had always thought The Doc=St Ledger was just a bit of banter but he named Kelly and Delaney in the back four the day before the team was announced. Anyway he reckons the new manager is already in waiting and is supposed to be good.

It's Johan Cruyff, no?

[Stuttgart88]

Whatever about what Delaney said, King has talked himself out of the job based on what he said in this interview!

http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/soccer/selecting-republic-of-ireland-team-is-proving-a-nightmare-for-interim-boss-noel-king-1.1559480

Too hard to pick the team, Kazakhstan are a huge threat...

[SwanVsDalton]

Well in fairness I can understand why it's tough to pick the team - King's like a kid in a sweet shop here, and he's suddenly got three of his best players back to add into the mix. With the aim of dominating the game and securing the win, he has plenty of options.

The 'huge threat' line is a bit of an eye-roll but still just standard manager-speak.

[Bungle]

On YBIG, a few posters are saying it's Cruyff. A taxi driver mate of a mate said that there's a rumour that he arrived in Dublin airport last night. Probably bull****:rolleyes:

If there is truth in it, it could be the most inspired and revolutionary move the FAI would ever make, or a recipe for disaster with him walking out in frustration after a few months. Would be colourful at the very least.

[gastric]

On YBIG, a few posters are saying it's Cruyff. A taxi driver mate of a mate said that there's a rumour that he arrived in Dublin airport last night. Probably bull****:rolleyes:

If there is truth in it, it could be the most inspired and revolutionary move the FAI would ever make, or a recipe for disaster with him walking out in frustration after a few months. Would be colourful at the very least.

With Roy as assistant coach, just to add more controversy!

[geysir]

Can't have been Cruyff,
Cruyff would not come to the FAI, the FAI would have had to go to Cruyff.

Would he allow the players to have a fag with their cup of tea at half time?

[geysir]

Whatever about what Delaney said, King has talked himself out of the job based on what he said in this interview!

http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/soccer/selecting-republic-of-ireland-team-is-proving-a-nightmare-for-interim-boss-noel-king-1.1559480

Too hard to pick the team, Kazakhstan are a huge threat...
Trap had the right idea, kick out anybody who can pass and pick the best of the rest.
I can understand King's conundrum, there's too much clutter.

[Kingdom]

There is a private website I'm on elsewhere, and Cryuff was named last night. He will be in the FAI box tomorrow night apparently.

[Stuttgart88]

I added an exclamation mark to show there was a hint of triviality in my remark. King did allude to the fact that he'd have to feel sorry for anyone omitted, like Delaney.

[SwanVsDalton]

There is a private website I'm on elsewhere, and Cryuff was named last night. He will be in the FAI box tomorrow night apparently.

This is the strangest 'private website' I've ever heard of.

Cryuff would be a banana kookoopants appointment. As Bungle said, anything could happen.


I added an exclamation mark to show there was a hint of triviality in my remark. King did allude to the fact that he'd have to feel sorry for anyone omitted, like Delaney.

Yah sorry! I actually read it back after I posted and realised it was tongue-in-cheek...

[dr_peepee]

I wouldn't want Cryuff in the job even if it was possible. Another foreign legend phoning in one of his last nixers. Making sweeping assumptions about the playing resources. We need someone who'll put the leg work in to ensure we have consistently the best players in the frame, to suit whatever footballing philosophy they adhere to.

Someone needs to be in the UK even if they're not necessary from the UK or Ireland

[Stuttgart88]

There is a private website I'm on elsewhere, and Cryuff was named last night. He will be in the FAI box tomorrow night apparently.Jordi or Johan?

[shakermaker1982]

Cryuff?! Didn't see that one coming.

[Kingdom]

Jordi or Johan?

Johan.
Might add that I'm only confirming that I've seen rumours elsewhere. Not saying that there is anything to them.
Haven't heard any mention of Roy Keane being the assistant either.

I would be surprised if he was appointed.

[brine3]

Johan Cruijff is a Grade A bull****ter. This could seriously end in tears.

[Bungle]

Just threw down a tenner at odds of 16-1 in Paddy Power on Cruyff. While I remain 50-50 on his appointment and would be concerned about how opinionated he can be and would wonder how he could deal with the FAI, I might as well profit if he is appointed. Girl in there said I'm the fourth fella in the last 2 hours to stick a bet on him, so maybe a few of the taxi drivers at the airport have shares in Paddy Powers!!

Did hear the rumour that Keano was going to be his number two...no shortage of opinions with that managerial team!

[dr_peepee]

Would Alan Curbishly impress anyone here?? I have no great recollection of his style of play but he was Reasonably successful with limited resources. Very meticulous when committing to new signings at Charlton too. They reckon that's what counted against him as their profile and budget increased. He was too slow to move for players because he wouldn't spend unless he seen first hand and was absolutely sure. It's the kind of diligence I want to see from our next Manager TBH.

All the big names bantered about, but I still think we need someone with a history of working with average (to good) players and making a team more than the sum of their parts.

[Stuttgart88]

I can't think of anything particularly bad about Curbishley.

[Yard of Pace]

I can't think of anything particularly bad about Curbishley.

He seems like a very boring man. We need someone who knows their tactics and can play to the media/fans. I'd rather have Steve Bruce doing his silly dance down the sideline, Fatih Terim with his sweaty armpits or Johann and Roy having a scowl off at the ref rather than have Curbs.

[ArdeeBhoy]

Actually I had a dream we appointed Bruce and he turned out a good manager.
Though have had personal experience of the man and consider him on a par with a certain Corkonian.

[zero]

Would Alan Curbishly impress anyone here?? I have no great recollection of his style of play but he was Reasonably successful with limited resources. Very meticulous when committing to new signings at Charlton too. They reckon that's what counted against him as their profile and budget increased. He was too slow to move for players because he wouldn't spend unless he seen first hand and was absolutely sure. It's the kind of diligence I want to see from our next Manager TBH.

All the big names bantered about, but I still think we need someone with a history of working with average (to good) players and making a team more than the sum of their parts.

i find it slightly odd that he has applied for multiple jobs since leaving west ham without managing to get any of them.

he did sue the hammers, so perhaps that's putting club sides off. or maybe he is a bad interviewee.

[geysir]

I get mixed up between Curbs and Pards.
I though Curbs was at Newcastle.

[shakermaker1982]

Will you guys be happy with Big Mick? Is he the safe fall back option?

[ArdeeBhoy]

Robbie's view...
http://thescore.thejournal.ie/robbie-keane-manager-balls-1129393-Oct2013/?utm_source=facebook_short

[geysir]

Will you guys be happy with Big Mick? Is he the safe fall back option?
A bit depends on if he wants it, if he was desperate for the job and ambition pouring out of every orifice then he should be seriously considered. Otherwise I'd say he should stay away, not touch it with a bargepole, move on with his life elsewhere but leave himself available for the caretaker gig should it arise :)

[Emmet7]

No-one knows the pressures of the Irish job more than Mick McCarthy and also how its a virtually impossible job. You can say a lot of things about Trapattoni but he was never afraid of a challenge throughout his career and taking on the Irish job in 2008 was a huge challenge. Credit to him for taking the job in the first place. Its still the same challenge today with the high expectations and the armchair pundits criticising everything and expecting us to reach every major tournament. If we play an attack minded team against the likes of Germany we'd get torn to shreds. We did as it was, but managed to keep it 3-0 only by defending en masse. In games against Spain and Germany it will always be a question of getting as many men behind the ball as possible because we simply aren't in the same league as them and anyone who thinks otherwise is fooling themselves. Everyone in Ireland thinks they are an expert on the national team and how we should play and the people who claim to be the biggest experts are those who have achieved least in the game.

Getting back to McCarthy, I'd be surprised if he took the job as I doubt he needs the stress at this stage of his life. On balance he was probably the best Irish manager in our history but even he would struggle with the current squad. Before he had the two Keanes, Duff, Irwin and several other top class players at their peak.

[elroy]

Alot of buzz going round that Cruyff is to be appointed later this week................not sure what to make of that.

[geysir]

Buzz comes and goes.
No need to make anything out of it, just stay calm.

[harry crumb]

Yes credit to Trap for taking €2m a year.

Hero/

[DeLorean]

I'm sure Trap could have got similar money elsewhere. He's one of the world's most successful managers, he was hardly going to do it for peanuts.

He took the job when we were a shambles, steadied the ship, achieved qualification, ship started shaking again, left the job, hence this thread has become relevant. We move on.

Cruyff would be really intriguing. I know he's a bit of a loose cannon at times, but we would certainly find out if our players are in any way capable of playing a passing, possession game. Cruyff, I would think, would know no other way. Of course, this could be catastrophic if it turns out our guys aren't up to it but I think we have enough coming through to at least make a stab at it. Gibson is often hailed for his ball retention, McCarthy fitted in well in a passing Wigan side, obviously the likes of McGeady, Hoolahan and Reid are technically very good and Coleman and Clark are comfortable in possession. Wilson has been pretty disappointing of late but has looked fairly comfortable on the ball in the past.

I think he may be my new number one choice, despite knowing full well it could be brief and end badly, worst case scenario. On the flip side, good communication between him and the rude doctor could transform the way the Irish view football forever... best case scenario of course :)

[bennocelt]

I'm sure Trap could have got similar money elsewhere. He's one of the world's most successful managers, he was hardly going to do it for peanuts.



Was, cant seeing him managing any top team now tbf

[DeLorean]

Curbs has been out of the game for quite a while. His CV contains Charlton & West Ham and no more. I always had time for him and he did an outstanding job at Charlton, despite overseeing a relegation but I think we could be aiming a bit higher.

I have great time for Mick McCarthy but they say you should never go back and I'd tend to agree with that in this instance. More of a gut feeling than anything else though.

[back of the net]

lads - wheres the cruyff speculation coming from? Cant seem to find anything on the internet about it

[geysir]

Taxi drivers.