Trapattoni - who would you replace him with?

[Stuttgart88]

If Trap had been following our players then he'd know that Long was out of form and that West Brom were trying to get rid of him. He'd also know that Walters was the man in form. If his tactic was to play hoofball against tall Swedish defenders, then you'd think the more physical (and in form) Walters would be the player to put up front.He'd have seen Long score a lovely goal at Wembley, cause a lot of trouble but squander chances against Georgia and Wales. He'd have seen Walters miss yet another penalty at Anfield and not score from open play this season, squandering a few good chances on the way. I must have missed the sparkling form that Walters has been in at his club. Trap would have seen that while playing hoofball against Austria that Long was our best player.

International managers do not drop club players based on a couple of weeks of bad form at club level. Very often players relish international football if their club situation isn't great. Picking him was not a grave error.

Long just played rubbish on the night, that's all.

[DeLorean]

I'm interested to know your opinion on last years Austrian and Portuguese championship winning managers and their various football styles (without goggling), please tell
I dont know myself but then I dont READ football!:rolleyes:

I will admit completely that I didn't know of Trap's title wins in Portugal and Austria from memory. I responded to a claim he had done 'nothing' in the last ten years, when clearly winning two domestic titles is significantly more than nothing. All the more impressive, as Wiki informs me, that both titles were achieved in his first season with the clubs and neither side had won the league in a decade or more.

Nothing wrong with doing a bit of research and getting your facts correct before spouting nonsense.

Oh, and I haven't the faintest idea what kind of football Trap played with either side, but it obviously worked. Why do you want to know about last year's managers? Is that in some way relevant to the facts presented on what Trap has done over the past ten years? And how are you so sure that winning a first title in over a decade wasn't the main aim of Salzburg when they hired Trap... that anything less than Champions League group stage qualification wasn't acceptable? Perhaps you read it somewhere.

[paul_oshea]

The Austrian league is hardly much to go by. I doubt managers Pat Fenlon is being reverred around the world for winning the LOI for example.

Portugese fair enough. He did 1 good thing bar get us to beat an estonian team away 4-1, who shat themselves when it mattered in 10 years, well done.

[peadar1987]

Lots of Trap haters seem to be seeing things in a very black-and-white way, yes, he made mistakes, yes, he played some unattractive football, no, he probably didn't get the team to play to their full potential, but he's not the ****ing antichrist, not everything he did has to be revised and made into an abject failure just because you don't like the guy. He came in, he did a solid but ultimately flawed job, which probably didn't merit the huge wages he was on. The Trap fanfiction people write in which he sits at home picking his hole and watching one DVD of Glenn Whelan each week is just as stupid as those who say he achieved miracles with Ireland and we had no right to qualify for the Euros at all.

[Junior]

The Austrian league is hardly much to go by. I doubt managers Pat Fenlon is being reverred around the world for winning the LOI for example.

Portugese fair enough. He did 1 good thing bar get us to beat an estonian team away 4-1, who shat themselves when it mattered in 10 years, well done.

He was manager of a team in the Austrian league. His side won that league. Accept it is an achievement and move on. Is the Austrian league comparable to LOI? I dont know but I suspect its of a better standard as you generally see a few sides competing in the Europa league at least. Neil Lennon has won a couple of SPL titles (a league which is no great shakes as you know) and no doubt Premiership Clubs will take note when a vacancy arises.

Getting beat by France in a play off (no embarassment) and qualifying for the Euro's were achievements. Stop rewriting the record books, Traps gone now. Oh and didnt we won 4-0 in Tallin anyway? ;)

[brine3]

The Trap fanfiction people write in which he sits at home picking his hole and watching one DVD of Glenn Whelan each week is just as stupid as those who say he achieved miracles with Ireland and we had no right to qualify for the Euros at all.

The FAI had to tell him, after the 6-1 drubbing by Germany, that he needed to start watching more matches in person.

This is the manager who banished a player from the squad based on mistaken identity. Seriously.

[jbyrne]

It's never the manager's fault in your book, even when he makes farcical decisions.

look back at my trap related posts for the last 14 months and you will find plenty of criticism.

the blame for this campaign was down to some poor management decisions, injury to key players, poor individual performances, player retirement and lack of quality replacements. throw any manager into that and i doubt results would have been much better

[peadar1987]

The FAI had to tell him, after the 6-1 drubbing by Germany, that he needed to start watching more matches in person.

This is the same FAI who hired Steve Staunton. I don't think their opinions are infallible.

And Trap could have spent 18 hours a day analysing DVD footage of all of Ireland's players in minute detail. He could also have spent twenty minutes watching Match of the Day hoping to catch a glimpse of Keith Andrews in the corner of a shot. We don't know, and anyone who says we do is making stuff up to suit their own agenda.



This is the manager who banished a player from the squad based on mistaken identity. Seriously.

Allegedly.

[geysir]

Allegedly.
:D
It's pretty desperate when someone has to repeat the wayward insane ramblings of Dunphy, in order to take a pot at Trap.

[brine3]

I admire your blind loyalty to a manager that has us playing hoofball and under whom we continually get humiliated on the pitch.

[bennocelt]

I will admit completely that I didn't know of Trap's title wins in Portugal and Austria from memory. I responded to a claim he had done 'nothing' in the last ten years, when clearly winning two domestic titles is significantly more than nothing. All the more impressive, as Wiki informs me, that both titles were achieved in his first season with the clubs and neither side had won the league in a decade or more.



So you Googled it, ha well done:)

I was going on what I seen of trap re his dreadful performance of a decent Italian team, and what fans of Bayern Munich and Salzburg had said when he was with them - who couldnt wait to be shot of him! Nah dont read too much into stats, but i do know Ireland wont be going to Brazil
Maybe Steve Mclaren shud be our manager, heard he won a few things in Europe!

[peadar1987]

I admire your blind loyalty to a manager that has us playing hoofball and under whom we continually get humiliated on the pitch.

You see, this is exactly what I was talking about. I said:


...yes, he made mistakes, yes, he played some unattractive football, no, he probably didn't get the team to play to their full potential...
and

He came in, he did a solid but ultimately flawed job, which probably didn't merit the huge wages he was on.

And you somehow mistake this for blind loyalty, because it lacks your pure unbridled hatred for the man.

[mark12345]

Trap was initially all about being hard to play through and difficult to score against. He was very happy to play without the ball and he was happy to try and nick goals from corners and frees. Most of our important goals in campaign one came this way, often with Hunt providing the delivery.

Over time we became easier to play through, easier to score against and worse with set pieces.

The system long since stopped working and Trap's solution was to play more primitive football, trying to outmuscle defenders in their last quarter of the pitch.

There were distinct phases of Trap's tenure: the phase where things worked and the phase where they clearly didn't. The reluctance to offer anything to address the latter phase (such as dropping Whelan) is why he had to go.


Junior, you're right. There'll always be some huff and puff, but under Jack there was also quite a bit of quality thrown in too. We were far more than the Crazy Gang of the international scene. Mick, Kerr and Stan all played a bit more of a passing game and I think it was only Trap that ever played outright hoofball.

None of the popular analysis accepts that there are questions of degrees in all this. We don't aspire to be Spain, but we can aspire to something better than the drivel of the last 12 months. The only quality we have seen was from a player like Hoolahan - Poland and Georgia for example. Did Trap take any note?

Trap era summed up quite nicely and accurately.

[brine3]

You see, this is exactly what I was talking about. I said:


and


And you somehow mistake this for blind loyalty, because it lacks your pure unbridled hatred for the man.

I see, so when others criticise Trap, you have a go at them, but you yourself are allowed to criticise him.

Is it possible to disable this "thanks" thing, I didn't realise that this was a popularity contest.

[ArdeeBhoy]

It is when you talk continual rubbish, Bryaniek.
http://www.wsc.co.uk/forum-index/27-football/833444-delaney-out?limit=20&start=240
You're even having a go here, FFS.

The lack of 'popularity' might just be due to these sweeping generalisations.


I admire your blind loyalty to a manager that has us playing hoofball and under whom we continually get humiliated on the pitch.

Think you'll find after the Euros/Germany game I was as cynical as anyone about Trap and his methods, but prior to the Euros and away from home in even this WCQ (& the last WCQ FFS, when we were, er, robbed) prior to Vienna, you cannot say we "continually get humiliated", FFS (again).
NB.Realise the tense is different.

Yes, he was paid a ridiculous wage but up to the end of 2011 he barely did a thing wrong as the results had justified the means.
Which even that auld lad deserves some credit for...

[bennocelt]

Think you'll find after the Euros/Germany game I was as cynical as anyone about Trap and his methods, but prior to the Euros and away from home in even this WCQ (& the last WCQ FFS, when we were, er, robbed) prior to Vienna, you cannot say we "continually get humiliated", FFS (again).NB.Realise the tense is different.

Yes, he was paid a ridiculous wage but up to the end of 2011 he barely did a thing wrong as the results had justified the means.
Which even that auld lad deserves some credit for...

So you were wrong then, as you changed your mind?:p

[Deckydee]

So you Googled it, ha well done:)

I was going on what I seen of trap re his dreadful performance of a decent Italian team, and what fans of Bayern Munich and Salzburg had said when he was with them - who couldnt wait to be shot of him! Nah dont read too much into stats, but i do know Ireland wont be going to Brazil
Maybe Steve Mclaren shud be our manager, heard he won a few things in Europe!

In saying that he is a fantastic coach. Would be a superb appointment as number 2/coach

[brine3]

It is when you talk continual rubbish, Bryaniek.
http://www.wsc.co.uk/forum-index/27-football/833444-delaney-out?limit=20&start=240
You're even having a go here, FFS.

The lack of 'popularity' might just be due to these sweeping generalisations.



Think you'll find after the Euros/Germany game I was as cynical as anyone about Trap and his methods, but prior to the Euros and away from home in even this WCQ (& the last WCQ FFS, when we were, er, robbed) prior to Vienna, you cannot say we "continually get humiliated", FFS (again).
NB.Realise the tense is different.

Yes, he was paid a ridiculous wage but up to the end of 2011 he barely did a thing wrong as the results had justified the means.
Which even that auld lad deserves some credit for...

I see, so we were never humiliated, if you discount all the matches we were humiliated in.

Not sure about how I feel about you following me around the internet and giving out about my grammar.

I thought Trap was very good in the first campaign repairing all the damage Stan did, but everything went to crap when Russia came to Dublin and cruelly exposed his system. Trap has had no answers since then. As for qualifying for Euro 2012, we could wait another 50 years and not have as many lucky breaks as we did in the second half of that campaign.

[peadar1987]

I see, so when others criticise Trap, you have a go at them, but you yourself are allowed to criticise him.

No, when people make legitimate criticisms of Trap, I agree with them. When people's criticism of him descend into farce, then I have an issue with it. You seem to think every second of his reign was embarrassing and that the man did nothing right in five years in charge, that's just not true.



Is it possible to disable this "thanks" thing, I didn't realise that this was a popularity contest.

It's not a popularity contest. If it was, all of my posts would presumably have the same amount of thanks. It's more of a "making a valid point" contest, if it's a contest at all.

[geysir]

I thought Trap was very good in the first campaign repairing all the damage Stan did, but everything went to crap when Russia came to Dublin and cruelly exposed his system. Trap has had no answers since then. As for qualifying for Euro 2012, we could wait another 50 years and not have as many lucky breaks as we did in the second half of that campaign.
Considering your appreciation of Trap's record and allowing for your superstitious fixation with a thing called 'luck' instead of analysis, you probably would agree that Trap had a better record with Ireland than your hero Leo had with Poland, who had a bit of a run before imploding fast.
But maybe Leo just didn't have the luck:rolleyes:

[brine3]

I think you are confusing me with somebody else.

[ArdeeBhoy]

I see, so we were never humiliated, if you discount all the matches we were humiliated in.

Not sure about how I feel about you following me around the internet and giving out about my grammar.

I thought Trap was very good in the first campaign repairing all the damage Stan did, but everything went to crap when Russia came to Dublin and cruelly exposed his system. Trap has had no answers since then. As for qualifying for Euro 2012, we could wait another 50 years and not have as many lucky breaks as we did in the second half of that campaign.

Do you not know the meaning of 'continually'?
Not following anyone especially, just pointing out when people talk consistently, or should that be 'continually', talk rubbish...

And how were we lucky in the 'second half of that campaign'? Like to see you explain that one to Richard Dunne...

[paul_oshea]

I was one of the few that said before that game we were going to get found out and cruelly exposed the way we played. this was the game and the turning point for me, and he never addressed this. 2 late goals when Russia pulled their foot off the gas papered over the cracks somewhat but the naysayers of doom were wrong and this was the start of it.

We got away with it again until the Euros because the opposition were so poor. That game against Russia on another day could have been 3 or 4 -0, and although it was a great point and a great performance from Dunne, it didn't make any difference to us qualifying in the end.

[geysir]

I think you are confusing me with somebody else.
Perhaps Bennocelt then, you guys all moan the same.:D
Please excuse the mix up.

[brine3]

Do you not know the meaning of 'continually'?
Not following anyone especially, just pointing out when people talk consistently, or should that be 'continually', talk rubbish...

And how were we lucky in the 'second half of that campaign'? Like to see you explain that one to Richard Dunne...

We were comprehensively outplayed in Moscow, completely destroyed. If it wasn't for Richard Dunne we would have indeed lost three or four nil. Thank goodness for him. I'm sure Dunne would be the first to say we were lucky to come away from Moscow with the point, if you asked him.

We were outplayed by the Armenians in Dublin as well, but managed to get their keeper sent off.

Then we were given the weakest team in the playoffs, and they obliged by self-destructing.

The writing was on the wall, it was clear that we were going to be cannon fodder at the Euros, and we were: statistically the worst team in the history of the European Championship Finals.

Trap says it's only the result that matters. I don't agree. If we had tried to play football and just missed out on the Euros then fair enough. I wouldn't complain. That's how Mick managed to hold on to his job after two failed campaigns. I had no complaints at the time that he was given a third campaign to secure qualification. You could see in the Euro 2000 qualifiers that the team were at least playing football and improving. I prefer that than scraping through to a tournament with Trap's hoofball and then getting horribly found out on the world stage at a major tournament. Call me old-fashioned, but I like teams that play football. I'm an Irish football fan. But a football fan first, and Irish fan second.

[peadar1987]

Call me old-fashioned, but I'd prefer to see Ireland win with a goal off Jon Walters' left arse-cheek than watch us play tippy-tappy football and lose. If you want to watch something pretty for the sake of pretty, go and watch ballet, because you have no place in a football stadium. Make any other criticisms of Trap you like, but "is it nice to watch?" is utterly insignificant compared to "is it effective?". Ultimately, Trap's style was found out to be ineffective. That should be what he's judged on, not whether Person X who sits 35 rows back from the touchline thought the 3-2 defeat to Macedonia or Albania was fun to watch.

[ArdeeBhoy]

We were comprehensively outplayed in Moscow, completely destroyed. If it wasn't for Richard Dunne we would have indeed lost three or four nil. Thank goodness for him. I'm sure Dunne would be the first to say we were lucky to come away from Moscow with the point, if you asked him.

We were outplayed by the Armenians in Dublin as well, but managed to get their keeper sent off.

Then we were given the weakest team in the playoffs, and they obliged by self-destructing.

The writing was on the wall, it was clear that we were going to be cannon fodder at the Euros, and we were: statistically the worst team in the history of the European Championship Finals.

Trap says it's only the result that matters. I don't agree. If we had tried to play football and just missed out on the Euros then fair enough. I wouldn't complain. That's how Mick managed to hold on to his job after two failed campaigns. I had no complaints at the time that he was given a third campaign to secure qualification. You could see in the Euro 2000 qualifiers that the team were at least playing football and improving. I prefer that than scraping through to a tournament with Trap's hoofball and then getting horribly found out on the world stage at a major tournament. Call me old-fashioned, but I like teams that play football. I'm an Irish football fan. But a football fan first, and Irish fan second.
But we didn't, weren't 'outplayed' and it's Ireland's 'fault' they were given Estonia.
Albeit undoubtedly fixed after the Paris farce, but that wasn't our fault either!!

Pretty much everyone agrees, besides one or two, Trap's football was fairly desperate to watch but it even got us a point in Sweden, as recently as this year, when were the better team. You might even say we 'outplayed' them.
:rolleyes:
As for the Euros, we were up against 3 of the best teams in the whole tournament, including the two finalists. Even a great Irish side would have struggled to get much out of them.

Pretty much no-one minds you slagging Trapp, but some sense of perspective ​would be good...

[brine3]

If you don't think we were outplayed in Moscow then you are living on another planet.

[brine3]

Call me old-fashioned, but I'd prefer to see Ireland win with a goal off Jon Walters' left arse-cheek than watch us play tippy-tappy football and lose. If you want to watch something pretty for the sake of pretty, go and watch ballet, because you have no place in a football stadium.

Football is the beautiful game. You just don't understand.

Either that, or you are Mario Rosenstock and you are doing a Graeme Souness pish take. In which case, I applaud you.

[ArdeeBhoy]

But we weren't completely destroyed in Moscow. We drew.
Get over it.

And the 'outplayed' is in reference to your own usage re.Armenia at home...a game we won.

[peadar1987]

Football is the beautiful game. You just don't understand.

Either that, or you are Mario Rosenstock and you are doing a Graeme Souness pish take. In which case, I applaud you.

No, really, if you would prefer to see Ireland lose and play what you think is "pretty" football, it is you who doesn't understand. I'd love Ireland to play like Brazil 1970 every game, but if that means losing, I'll take the deflected goal and parking the bus every time thank you very much. It's football, it's a competitive sport, not an interpretive dance routine.

[brine3]

At the moment we are playing **** football AND losing, including by record margins, so maybe we should give the good football a go.

[peadar1987]

At the moment we are playing **** football AND losing, including by record margins, so maybe we should give the good football a go.

Now you're judging things on effectiveness.

[brine3]

Germany got to the final in 1982. France didn't. Is it always the result that counts?

The Dutch team of 2010 got to the final. The Dutch team of 1998 only made the semis. History will remember Bergkamp's goal against Argentina and Nigel de Jong's karate kick against Xabi Alonso. Is it always the result that counts?

Football is called the beautiful game for a reason. If you only care about the result and not the way the game is played, then you should start following 100 m sprinting or high-jumping, sports where everything can be quantitatively measured.

[peadar1987]

Germany got to the final in 1982. France didn't. Is it always the result that counts?

The Dutch team of 2010 got to the final. The Dutch team of 1998 only made the semis. History will remember Bergkamp's goal against Argentina and Nigel de Jong's karate kick against Xabi Alonso. Is it always the result that counts?

Football is called the beautiful game for a reason. If you only care about the result and not the way the game is played, then you should start following 100 m sprinting or high-jumping, sports where everything can be quantitatively measured.

The result isn't the only thing that matters, but it's by far and away the most important thing. Ask Dennis Bergkamp if he'd trade that goal against Argentina for a World Cup winner's medal. I think I know what the answer would be. I honestly can't understand people who'd prefer Ireland lost so long as they played "beautiful" football, which is a subjective concept anyway.

[ArdeeBhoy]

Germany got to the final in 1982. France didn't. Is it always the result that counts?

The Dutch team of 2010 got to the final. The Dutch team of 1998 only made the semis. History will remember Bergkamp's goal against Argentina and Nigel de Jong's karate kick against Xabi Alonso. Is it always the result that counts?

Football is called the beautiful game for a reason. If you only care about the result and not the way the game is played, then you should start following 100 m sprinting or high-jumping, sports where everything can be quantitatively measured.
Questionable analogy at best.

What's that to do with Trappatoni's replacement?
We can improve our style, but even Pep (or insert your preferred name) couldn't transform us into Barca, Brazil' 70, whatever.

Get real.

[tetsujin1979]

Germany got to the final in 1982. France didn't. Is it always the result that counts?

The Dutch team of 2010 got to the final. The Dutch team of 1998 only made the semis. History will remember Bergkamp's goal against Argentina and Nigel de Jong's karate kick against Xabi Alonso. Is it always the result that counts?

Football is called the beautiful game for a reason. If you only care about the result and not the way the game is played, then you should start following 100 m sprinting or high-jumping, sports where everything can be quantitatively measured.And? A few hundred views on youtube does't make up for the lack of a trophy. Do people remember the goals from 1954 world cup, or that Brazil won it? In time, nobody will care who kicked who in what final, they'll care that Spain won it.

[brine3]

We can improve our style, but even Pep (or insert your preferred name) couldn't transform us into Barca, Brazil' 70, whatever.

Get real.

That's not what I was saying and you know it.

[Crosby87]

Off topic: What kind of tea would an Irish person prefer who is visiting another country? I know you all hate lipton.

[ArdeeBhoy]

That's not what I was saying and you know it.

Hmm. So what are you saying?

Being less disingenuous would help.

[Stuttgart88]

I thought we were outplayed in Moscow and even Estonia had much the better of it between 1 and 2 nil, and with ten men. I don't think Armenia outplayed us but they played better than we should have let them.

I don't think we should wish for pretty football for pretty football's sake, but I thought that as Trap's tenure developed the willingness to play without the ball started to play against us more and more. As his tenure developed further the tendency to play hoofball was increased and added to an increasingly ineffective containing game. We had the worst of both worlds, incohesive with the ball and poor without it.

If there was a way of improving this by primitive football I'd be ok with that, but the reality is that the game has moved on of late and some degree of measured and precise / crisp football is what works these days. It's not for vanity reasons I want to see more guile and less huff and puff (as Junior says there will always be a fair bit of the latter anyway), it's because that's what I think will work. Trap saw it differently and results didn't support his methods.

PG Tipps or Barry's tea for me Crozzer.

[brine3]

Hmm. So what are you saying?

Being less disingenuous would help.

We're not going to win trophies like Brazil and Barca, but we should be looking to the likes of Uruguay, Denmark and Croatia for inspiration. Countries with similar populations who have always at least tried to play football - even when they didn't have the players they have now. They often don't qualify, but they try to play football.

There's no point in playing hoofball if the most it leads to is a first round exit. We may as well give it a proper lash as far as playing football is concerned.

There is something seriously wrong with Irish football culture if passing the ball is derided as "tippy tappy" and compared unfavourably to ballet (what's wrong with ballet, by the way?). That attitude is something that needs to be addressed at all levels. We can play football. We outdid Germany and Spain for possession at the 2002 World Cup. Trap has told us that we are no good and that we have no choice but to play hoofball and certain people are lapping it up.

[ArdeeBhoy]

Except we don't have the players. To refer to your last paragraph.
Tbf, 90% of other countries don't either. What's your point?

Should we kidnap '000's of Brazilians, Germans & Spaniards?

[brine3]

Sure, we don't have fantastic players. But if players can't win by passing the ball, what makes you think they'll do better by hoofing it up the pitch?
There's never an excuse to play hoofball. To revert to that is to give up.

A lot of the foreign media credits Jack Charlton with getting Ireland to win by playing hoofball. I would argue that Jack's team did well because he had great players at his disposal.

[ArdeeBhoy]

So great tactical genius, who do you replace Trap with;that's going to lead us on this path to football enlightenment...

[Stuttgart88]

Except we don't have the players. To refer to your last paragraph.
Tbf, 90% of other countries don't either. What's your point?

Should we kidnap '000's of Brazilians, Germans & Spaniards?Only if we want to compete with Brazilians, Germans and Spaniards. I'd be happy to compete with Sweden & Austria right now, and be able to look convincing against Kazakhstan. We DO have the players for that (look at Brady today) and we do have the players to play something other than hoofball. It's extraordinary how you and Peadar are playing into brine3's hands. Hoofball wins nothing in modern football and we all know it.

"We don't have the players". For what?
"We must play pretty football". No, we don't have to, but playing a more contemporary game will suit contemporary situations.

[ArdeeBhoy]

We should do better than Trap's 'hoofball', but don't believe as per my last post, we have the players to play the sophisticated style some fantasists are suggesting.

Telling one of them didn't answer my question about a replacement...

Agree we should compromise and try to match the other mid-ranking sides, but that to me is as much about organisation and passion as inherent ability.

[brine3]

So great tactical genius, who do you replace Trap with;that's going to lead us on this path to football enlightenment...

Co Adriaanse

[Stuttgart88]

Agree we should compromise and try to match the other mid-ranking sides, but that to me is as much about organisation and passion as inherent ability.
By organisation I'm assuming that includes determining our style of play? I'd contend that allowing players like Brady, Hoolahan, Gibson, and even the likes of Reid and Ireland, (not necessarily all together) to play the ball around a bit more but in among a well organised unit is something we can aspire to quite quickly. Stan trusted his ball payers but forgot about the balance and organisation of the team. Trap wanted organisation without trusting his ball players. I'd fancy any of MON, Keane or Mick to find a balance. I think MON and Mick would have the players running through walls for them. I don't know about Keane.

I hear what you're saying AB, but I think stuff like "90pc of all teams don't have the players" is RTE daytime radio standard of analysis :)

[ArdeeBhoy]

Co Adriaanse
About 10 years you might have had a point.

He's not done much recently. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Co_Adriaanse


t I think stuff like "90pc of all teams don't have the players" is RTE daytime radio standard of analysis :)

That's as maybe, but 90% of international side IMO either don't fufill this Utopian requirement of either winning competitions or playing attractive football.

Though we can and play will play better with more organisation and passion, at least in the first instance.