Trapattoni - who would you replace him with?

[bennocelt]

Ottmar Hitzfield is leaving the Swiss Job after the world cup - to take up a tv position - could we wait till then? (i know, I know!)

[Emmet7]

As soon as McCarthy, if he gets the job, puts out his first unusual selection, the RTE panel will tear him to shreds and it will go downhill from there. In other words, the RTE panel want to pick the team and want to pick the formation and want their favorite players in, and if the manager doesn't go along with it, they start the usual Giles-Dunphy tag-team antics.

The truth is whatever an Irish manager does, Giles-Dunphy will make sure to take the opposing view, usually for the sake of it, particularly Dunphy, a man who never managed anywhere.

You could bring in Pep Guardiola as manager and Dunphy would be saying he knows nothing, not a great manager, etc.

[SkStu]

I'm not a knocker of Keane. Do the Germans consider Der Bomber to be their greatest ever player? or Klose?
What about Linekar for England? I don't believe so.

Is Robbie our greatest striker ever? Yes, without a shadow of a doubt.

I think only one person here has concluded that Robbie is the greatest irish player ever in his opinion. It's not off the wall that some people will reach that conclusion. I think he's top 3 and a living (playing) legend.

On the Holland result, listen to McCarthy after the game. Happy with the performance, disappointed to have thrown away a two goal lead, relieved not to have lost but not unhappy to leave Amsterdam with a point. I think what you see from the players is a combination of all the emotions McCarthy listed, with Roy focussing more on the disappointment.

[ArdeeBhoy]

That's it. I'm not posting here any more. You are freaking me out.
How so?
:confused:

[ArdeeBhoy]

Ottmar Hitzfield is leaving the Swiss Job after the world cup - to take up a tv position - could we wait till then? (i know, I know!)

A Swiss fan suggested him on the other thread, would take him for the Euros in the absence of any other credible candidate, but isn't he looking towards retirement?
Though a mere decade younger than Trap! And we won't have any vital matches for another year, probably...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottmar_Hitzfeld

[geysir]

I don't think we will wait that long but Hitzfield would be a catch.

[SwanVsDalton]

If I'm not mistaken Hitzfield said he's retiring. Suppose Denis O'Brien can drive a rubbish truck full of money up to his house, see what happens.

[Stuttgart88]

I Said a few posts back that I'm starting to veer towards Roy Keane. I've noticed that a few more hacks are starting to mention him more. Probably because O'Neill and McCarthy are looking less likely and no continental candidate stands out.

I think we can over complicate things. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to put together a modern football unit from the decent players we have. Trap didn't adhere to modern whereas King did but overthought things. I think the selection panel could overthink the process too.

[geysir]

I wouldn't want Roy Keane as manager, he would be the under-thought appointment.
No problem though with bringing him in to be a part of the set up or the u21 set up and see how he shapes up.

[ArdeeBhoy]

I Said a few posts back that I'm starting to veer towards Roy Keane. I've noticed that a few more hacks are starting to mention him more. Probably because O'Neill and McCarthy are looking less likely and no continental candidate stands out.

I think we can over complicate things. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to put together a modern football unit from the decent players we have. Trap didn't adhere to modern whereas King did but overthought things. I think the selection panel could overthink the process too.

Not if they choose RMK. Some people would want him to lose every game and make Trap and his predecessors look like a positive 'love-in'.

[tetsujin1979]

A lot of the other candidates have slowly been removed from the equation and I still think that if O'Neill wanted the job right now, he'd have it. Therefore, he doesn't want it right now, although that may change if expected positions in the Premier League do not become available to him. But Keane's name is still there, not the favourite (according to the bookies anyway), just there or thereabouts, and has yet to be firmly ruled out, either by Delaney, Keane himself, or the good Doktor and Houghton. The longer his name is linked with the position, or at the very least, not removed from the list of possible managers, the more likely I think it could be his. Right now, he's not being linked with any position in England when it comes available, so it could be a way for him to clear the slate after unperforming at Ipswich and emerge as a prospect for vacant club positions - think McLeish with Scotland, before going on to manage Birmingham
Having said all that, his relationship with Delaney is no secret, and he may have the final say in any appointment.

[SkStu]

Presumably Cruyff told his hosts at half-time last week that he was heading for a pi$s and then just never returned......

[ArdeeBhoy]

Was he even in the country...

[shakermaker1982]

If Keane does get it then he needs a good cop as his number 2. The FAI will expect his name alone to bring in the punters (some no doubt to see him fail if they are that way inclined) so Delaney may decide bums on seats is more important than their 'differences' from the past. It would also mean Keane vs Dunphy every couple of months.

Like Tets said if O'Neill wanted it he'd be in post now. He is probably waiting for Jol to get the boot & if Fulham lose tomorrow then he may be back in the PL by the end of the month.

We aren't left with many options, it's not exactly a sexy gig despite it paying well so it could be down to the last two men standing which will probably end up as Keane & McCarthy.

[Yard of Pace]

We aren't left with many options.

You can say that again. We may as well have Doktor Oetker picking the new man at this stage.

[gastric]

With our options seemingly drying up, I am surprised no one has mentioned Steve Staunton!:D At least he would be less divisive than Roy. On the up, I could see Roy headbutting Dunphy if he continued with some of the sh#t he comes out with.

[DeLorean]

It would be almost worth Keane getting the job for his interviews with TOD alone!


Almost...

[ArdeeBhoy]

The latest is that Mick McCarthy is/was still the bookies favourite...

[DeLorean]

From Paddy Power

Mick McCarthy 5/6
Martin O'Neill 2/1
Roy Keane 10/1
Gerard Houllier 12/1
Noel King 18/1
Carlos Queiroz 18/1
Johan Cruyff 20/1
Guus Hiddink 25/1
Martin Jol 25/1
Alan Curbishley 25/1
Neil Lennon 25/1
Brian McDermott 33/1
David O'Leary 33/1
Chris Hughton 33/1
Glenn Hoddle 33/1

[mark12345]

From Paddy Power

Mick McCarthy 5/6
Martin O'Neill 2/1
Roy Keane 10/1
Gerard Houllier 12/1
Noel King 18/1
Carlos Queiroz 18/1
Johan Cruyff 20/1
Guus Hiddink 25/1
Martin Jol 25/1
Alan Curbishley 25/1
Neil Lennon 25/1
Brian McDermott 33/1
David O'Leary 33/1
Chris Hughton 33/1
Glenn Hoddle 33/1

Martin O'Neill appears to have drifted over the horizon and Roy and Mick only realistic candidates. Both have their baggage however. Roy in the fact that, although he has a brilliant football mind, he cannot work with others who are not on the same page as him. And Mick in that he is a great guy and a great motivator and all that, but he would go straight back to hoof ball football.

Glenn Hoddle would be worth a look, and to a lesser extent so would Martin Jol, but we could do a lot worse than employ King and the Dokter (Dokter as manager and Noel as assistant to eliminate any possibility of miscommunication as was the issue with Trap).

We need to start at the beginning again and employ a completely different style of football and why not go with these lads. It's going to get a lot worse before it gets better.

[Stuttgart88]

Ipswich's managing directors were saying Mick is doing a great job and the fans really appreciate his entertaining brand of football. So, while I have doubts over Mick's tactical acumen at the highest level, I don't think we'd be playing hoofball.

[ArdeeBhoy]

At least 6 of those names would be a complete joke, no better than Trap, for a variety of reasons.

[DannyInvincible]

Why is King in there at 18/1? Not that I'm trying to imply he's out of his depth in such company or anything, but there's been no indication that the FAI are going to have a re-think, has there?

[geysir]

Why is King in there at 18/1? Not that I'm trying to imply he's out of his depth in such company or anything, but there's been no indication that the FAI are going to have a re-think, has there?
It's a welcome 2 fingered salute to the supposed power and influence of the panel on public opinion :)

[IsMiseSean]

How did Mr. Tayto get on that list and Philippe Troussier didn't? His career must really have gone backwards in recent years....

[DannyInvincible]

Does anyone have Noel King's published book of poetry?: http://balls.ie/football/noel-king-once-wrote-a-book-of-poetry-called-90-minutes/

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BWW3F4JIAAA7Lfs.jpg

[Emmet7]

We need to start at the beginning again and employ a completely different style of football and why not go with these lads. It's going to get a lot worse before it gets better.

Agreed. Unfortunately the media and most fans want instant results and are willing to put up with any style of play that delivers results, which I suppose is fair enough. Better to win ugly by 1-0 than lose attractively 3-2.

The pressure on Irish managers has been too high, totally unrealistic and much of it vindictive from the usual quarters. If a manager loses even one game, he's called useless, out of his depth, and so on. And this from armchair pundits who achieved nothing in the game.

[ArdeeBhoy]

MO'N linked with 'Boro'...

http://thescore.thejournal.ie/middlesbrough-job-tony-pulis-martin-oneill-1140987-Oct2013/?utm_source=facebook_short

[osarusan]

How did Mr. Tayto get on that list and Philippe Troussier didn't? His career must really have gone backwards in recent years....

Was managing in non-league football in Japan before leaving to become the manager of Shenzen Ruby in the Chinese league, where he has had a pretty turbulent time.

[Emmet7]

There should be a few managerial jobs becoming vacant in the next few weeks after bad starts to the season. I reckon Crystal Palace could be looking soon enough as well. MON more than likely holding out for one of those vacancies.

[DeLorean]

I might be overthinking things myself but if MON is really holding out for something along the lines of Crystal Palace he must not fancy his chances of achieving anything significant with us. Surely the lure of an international tournament, with excellent wages for a fraction of the work would be more appealing than a p!ssing against the wind relegation battle and potential Championship football next season. I know many managers sight the 'day-to-day' element but surely at 61 he must be approaching a life a little less demanding? Obviously that's for him to decide I suppose, I'm just speculating without knowing the ins & outs.

[back of the net]

From fergusons book - nothing surprising here really
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/24622989

Roy Keane
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The Scot describes how his relationship deteriorated with the Republic of Ireland midfielder, to the point that he became a negative influence.

"The hardest part of Roy's body is his tongue. He has the most savage tongue you can imagine. He can debilitate the most confident person in the world in seconds"

"On one occasion, as I came in to the dressing room, Roy and Ruud van Nistelrooy were at it, hammer and tongs. They had to be pulled apart by the players.

"At least Van Nistelrooy had the courage to stand up to Roy, because not everyone did. He was an intimidating, ferocious individual. His mode when angry was to attack, lay into people."

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[SwanVsDalton]

The full description of the Keane blow-out (http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/oct/22/ferguson-roy-keane-manchester-united-book) is uncanny - almost like a repeat of Saipan. Keane slams training facilities, attitudes of teammates and ends up personally insulting the manager after a blazing row during a team meeting.

[back of the net]

Yeah thought the same on saipan.

Just saw an interview with fergie on sky......says keane needs to get maturity if he has any chance of becoming a good manager

[mark12345]

Agreed. Unfortunately the media and most fans want instant results and are willing to put up with any style of play that delivers results, which I suppose is fair enough. Better to win ugly by 1-0 than lose attractively 3-2.

The pressure on Irish managers has been too high, totally unrealistic and much of it vindictive from the usual quarters. If a manager loses even one game, he's called useless, out of his depth, and so on. And this from armchair pundits who achieved nothing in the game.

Agree with you Emmet. And that in a nutshell is the sad reality - we are going to sacrifice the need to get the results rather than employ a couple of people who might change the grass roots approach to the game in Ireland, something which will bear fruit down the road. In that regard, I hear the John Devine coaching school in Dublin is doing really well - he is teaching kids to play 3 aside and there are no leagues. The sad part is, I thought this was happening for the last ten years or so. Apparently not - so we are ten years or more behind the times in terms of development.

[gastric]

Delaney having read Ferguson's comments must consider appointing Keane a non starter. Too much chance of side issues dominating and players refusing to play under Keane. Mick McCarthy must feel vindicated by this as Utd would have some of the best facilities in the world and in regards to his comments about Utd players, it isn't like they were an unsuccessful team.

[Razors left peg]

What would peoples opinion of Ian Holloway be? Out of a job now, did ok with Blackpool. Wouldnt be my first choice but Id rather him than some of names mentioned

[DannyInvincible]

Ian Holloway strikes me as a bit of a mouthpiece; someone who has a higher view of himself and his loudmouth opinions than might be warranted.

Then again, my impression of him is based solely on having seen him in televised interviews - mostly whilst complaining about his sides' fortunes in the Premier League, which, to be fair, have invariably been provocatively-poor - and his odd decision to omit Owen Garvan from his Palace squad selection earlier this season. Correct me if I'm wrong. Is he a bit of a wannabe-eccentric?

[ArdeeBhoy]

What would peoples opinion of Ian Holloway be? Out of a job now, did ok with Blackpool. Wouldnt be my first choice but Id rather him than some of names mentioned

No chance of him being an international manager IMO. Wouldn't have the patience and strikes me as entirely unsuitable.
Be amazed if he ever applied...

Brilliant manager in Div 2/Championship and below in Eng.club football though.

[CraftyToePoke]

What would peoples opinion of Ian Holloway be? Out of a job now, did ok with Blackpool. Wouldnt be my first choice but Id rather him than some of names mentioned

I was a season ticket holder at Leicester City when he was there, when the club slipped into the third tier for the first time in their history losing their spot as one of a handful of clubs who had never been outside the top two tiers in England. It was his tenure and what was served up as football/entertainment during it, which finally saw me decide not to renew the ticket there. Watched some awful muck that season.

He has bright spots and successes but the tail spin is never too far way it seems and the witty entertaining sound bites in interviews don't count for much in counteracting those.

[Charlie Darwin]

I remember reading something a while ago where Holloway admitted his teams had always played awful rubbish until he watched Barcelona play one day and decided 'this is the future' and changed his methods overnight. He certainly knows how to get his teams to pass but he doesn't seem to be able to find players who know when it's appropriate to do so and when to play the percentages.

[Bungle]

Keane would be an unmitigated disaster as Irish manager. Keane has no ability in working with average players. He might and it's a very small might have been able to manage our team in 2002 but not our current vintage. I do have time for Keane in some ways, but as a manager many of his negative qualities come to the fore.

However, I do feel that Fergie's comments are below the belt. He wouldn't have thrown the Keane of 2002 out of the club, but he was happy enough to bomb a player in decline out the door. I think he was biding his time after Keane spoke about how he intimidated refs and encouraged his teams to dive and cheat in games. Fergie gets away with murder with the British media.

[NeverFeltBetter]

Ian Holloway took a halfway decent Blackpool team and got them relegated by refusing to contemplate the idea of defending a two goal lead against the league leaders. And he mouths off too much.

[Charlie Darwin]

Keane has no ability in working with average players.
You seem to be implying he has some sort of ability in working with good players.

[CraftyToePoke]

I remember reading something a while ago where Holloway admitted his teams had always played awful rubbish until he watched Barcelona play one day and decided 'this is the future' and changed his methods overnight. He certainly knows how to get his teams to pass but he doesn't seem to be able to find players who know when it's appropriate to do so and when to play the percentages.

Any link ? As I find it highly amusing that a guy of his age earning a good living at a good level of the game would publicly admit he had never considered you could do something with the ball other than put your foot through it, until he recently watched Barcelona. A guy who would have watched Cloughs Notts Forest surely. Why publicly say something like that.

Re Keane, I'd be very wary of player fall outs with him, our small squad needs everyone on board all the time and unity. I cant see him presiding over a happy camp for long. Still lads there who played with him too. High risk.

[DannyInvincible]

Fergie gets away with murder with the British media.

Thankfully, Jon Snow missed the memo:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UInG5z7YpQs

He gave a rather uneasy-looking Fergie the grilling that's been sorely missing from the public extravaganza of late.

[Charlie Darwin]

Any link ? As I find it highly amusing that a guy of his age earning a good living at a good level of the game would publicly admit he had never considered you could do something with the ball other than put your foot through it, until he recently watched Barcelona. A guy who would have watched Cloughs Notts Forest surely. Why publicly say something like that.

Re Keane, I'd be very wary of player fall outs with him, our small squad needs everyone on board all the time and unity. I cant see him presiding over a happy camp for long. Still lads there who played with him too. High risk.
I was wrong. It wasn't Barcelona - it was Swansea.

http://www.london24.com/sport/championship/crystal_palace_2_5707/palace_boss_reveals_how_swansea_changed_his_footba ll_philosophy_1_2766946

[DeLorean]

Delaney having read Ferguson's comments must consider appointing Keane a non starter. Too much chance of side issues dominating and players refusing to play under Keane.

It would be completely understandable if the FAI have reached this conclusion with regards Keane. That said, if a one-sided autobiography has tipped the balance it's pathetic and really unprofessional.

[CraftyToePoke]

I was wrong. It wasn't Barcelona - it was Swansea.

An easy mistake to make CD.

[ArdeeBhoy]

It would be completely understandable if the FAI have reached this conclusion with regards Keane. That said, if a one-sided autobiography has tipped the balance it's pathetic and really unprofessional.

Heh, in this case, one can only hope so!