Cork AUL 2010/11 [Archive] - Page 42

Round Tower

10/05/2011, 4:46 PM

Just learn not to shout "Leave it" at under 12 - problem solved.

The more Black & white rules surely the better. We always ask for more consistency, so that means less discretion.

Its the "phase of play" section of the offside rule that me, all refs and Mr Blatter dont understand - not the not interfering that you mentioned. I think I may have mentioned it before - the example that sticks out for me comes from Liverpool V Newcastle some years back. As the Newcastle midfielder advanced, Hyppia stepped up and Kluivert was 5 yards offiside. The midfielder swung the ball out the wing to the onside winger, who advanced and pulled it back for Kluivert to score. Goal stood - new phase of play. You telling me Kluivert didnt gain any advantage from being 5 yards nearer the ball than Hyppia? Grey area in a rule where black & white is needed. A controversial rule made all the greyer.........

Shilts.......the coincidence is I am reading a book............and am currently on the W-M chapter!!!
If you think that was bad Ronaldo and Real Madrid was playin a Spanish league game earlier this year, it could have been Real Scoichad i am not 100% sure. While Madrid was defending a corner Ronaldo was tying his lacers more than half-way in the opposition half. Madrid cleared the ball and ran with the ball to the opposition end line crossed the ball to Ronaldo too score, at no time did he make an atempt to get back on-side, it is debate able if he was on-side when the ball was played to him, the goal stood. The goal could be seen on U-Tube at one stage.

Horse24

10/05/2011, 9:43 PM

If you think that was bad Ronaldo and Real Madrid was playin a Spanish league game earlier this year, it could have been Real Scoichad i am not 100% sure. While Madrid was defending a corner Ronaldo was tying his lacers more than half-way in the opposition half. Madrid cleared the ball and ran with the ball to the opposition end line crossed the ball to Ronaldo too score, at no time did he make an atempt to get back on-side, it is debate able if he was on-side when the ball was played to him, the goal stood. The goal could be seen on U-Tube at one stage.

I know the one....how is that making the game better?

Nedge, I have always been suprised about a sport mad town like that did not have a bigger and stronger club like Carrigaline or something. I know every club has its up and downs but Ballincollig never had the clubhouse or whatever. I believe the new pitches are a good set up and I think they can now take a place higher up the club ladder.

Shilts, the biggest prize of all is that you can start next year's thread if ye win it!

junglegym

11/05/2011, 10:46 AM

Shilts, the biggest prize of all is that you can start next year's thread if ye win it!

Careful with that one Shilts , the last two people that started our Thread are no longer with us , God Bless 'em :D

Horse24

11/05/2011, 11:54 AM

Careful with that one Shilts , the last two people that started our Thread are no longer with us , God Bless 'em :D

Haha - the poison chalice!

maninthemiddle

11/05/2011, 2:34 PM

The one that bugs me about offside is why can't a defender be deemed to be "not interfering" in a phaze of play the same way an attacker is. That's me wearing my defenders hat though.

@ horse , you wouldn't believe the amount of calls for frees I get every weekend from people who dont know the "leave it" rule changed. that rule definitely changed for the better.

Innishvilla

13/05/2011, 2:00 PM

Any results from last night? there is no update on the cork AUL site which is unusual - also no fixtures yet...

donaldihno

13/05/2011, 4:55 PM

Kilreen beat ucc 3-2 innish,so there champs!
Springfield also had good win down in park,interesting finish to that league too!
Not sure about the rest

super_mario

15/05/2011, 6:29 PM

Anyone know who won the Leeside and Kinsale game this morning?? And how many points to Kinsale need to win that league or is it won already??

Cas heard today ye will have a change of manager next year is this true? Why is Derek leaving? Is he taking over someone else and is Danny or yourself I'm led to believe gonna be taking the job??

Rumours bout transfers all over the place already few of our team being linked with Castleview but that's only natural with our manager taking over there next year, heard he's bringing in one or two more quality players aswell..

Heard all the old grattan team are going back to get the club going again and if this is true fairplay to the lads like shinkwin the sullivans figo and all them

Heard cas yer keeper Crow is off to Leeside and figo also being linked with them, 2 fierce signings if through

Oh and Ivan skillington I heard just may be off to Castleview next year aswell, watch this space!!!

skippy7

15/05/2011, 6:43 PM

Leeside 1 Kinsale 2 big three points for Kinsale in little island this morning!

pacman

15/05/2011, 9:34 PM

You have to hand it to Kinsale, could and should have been three or four goals down at half time today. Instead they went in at half time 1-1 after a horrendous mistake by the Leeside keeper and went on to win the game in the second half.

Leeside must be sick of the sight of them.

Heard a few of those rumours too Mario. Although I doubt the likes of Shinkwin will go back to Grattan to be honest.

Dixie's Cousin

16/05/2011, 9:47 AM

I heard quite the opposite, from what i'm hearing and Cas(can you confirm) that you, Dean Evans, Ola and a few other are entering your own team next season in division 3. I heard that you all get on very well from your time with the AUL team!

Shilts

16/05/2011, 10:01 AM

A hard fought 2-1 win away to Leeside left us top of the table with a few games left. Hopefully we can continue our winning form to get the 5 points that are now needed, if Wilton were to win their 2 remaining games.
A lot of work still to be done though as all of our remaining games are tough.:ball:

Kinsale 14 played 38 points (Blarney Street A, Ballyvolane A, Park A, Wilton H)
Leeside 18 played 36 points
Wilton 16 played 36 points (Coachford H, Kinsale A)

casilles

16/05/2011, 10:01 AM

Well not quite a new team but an oldie looking to come back. Maymount Celtic are lookin to come back. Yes I am involved as is Dean but no way is Ola. Have been on to the farmer in Kilowen and has givin gus a verbal commitment to lease the pitch we had, so if there is any budding stars out there looking for a new challenge PM on this

Inswinger

16/05/2011, 10:08 AM

We had our end of season get together during the week end, Ciaran Lucey won our players player of the year and Aidan Buckley won the Club player of the year and our friend Junglejym won the 2nd team player of the year. John O Sullivan who has had the thankless task of managing the second team over the past few seasons won Clubman of the year, well done to the 4 lads.

Happy to confirm that Malcolm Stokes will be managing us again next year as he was no doubt not short on offers, he has integrated himself very well within the club so from the players point of view it was important to keep improving things on the playing field for the club. One game for us next saturday against Wilton, Kinsale march on to another league.
Would nt be surprised to see alot of the Grattan lads return if they they do that ll leave just one other team to go up from Prem A next year, any idea who ll be in charge. Hearing rumours that Billy Cronin has been offered the managers job in Leeside for next season, would the Leeside lads like to confirm or deny?

Shilts

16/05/2011, 10:20 AM

Big congrats to Junglegym on his player of the year award
I thought he'd also be in line for young player of the year haha ;)
Couldn't have given it to a nicer guy!!!

Best of luck Cas with your new venture
I thought Maymount had merged with Temple though?
Has there been a divorce?

Inswinger

16/05/2011, 10:49 AM

Just a question on this new team cas, were you perviously with Maymount before? Will this effect blarney street on the player front? Will some of your team mates be joining ye? I would hate to see another team in the Premier collapse like Grattan did last year.

casilles

16/05/2011, 11:08 AM

No wasnt involved witht hem but 1/2 from the old club are . i cant see it affect the street as we will be Div3 so asking fellas tpo drop down 4 divisions would be asking liverpool to win the league next year, aint gonna happen!!! Have been on to fellow norries who maybe arenyt good enough for Premier but wanna play and enjoy so we will take it from there, a few from Bohs Gratts and Knocka have said the be intrested so we will see, wanna come up to the city Inswinger again??????

maninthemiddle

16/05/2011, 11:26 AM

Am i right in saying that the A.O.H. cup final is on the same night as the title decider between rockmount and avondale?

i would have liked to have seen both. shame if so.

Inswinger

16/05/2011, 11:29 AM

Your grand Cas, only ever played in the big smoke for away games!! Hoping to challenge for silverware in Coachford next year. Is Derek staying on as manager for the Street?

Innishvilla

16/05/2011, 12:51 PM

Am i right in saying that the A.O.H. cup final is on the same night as the title decider between rockmount and avondale?

i would have liked to have seen both. shame if so.

I thought AOH final is on Friday 27th May - Is the date for Rockmount v Avondale set???

footiefanatic

16/05/2011, 2:08 PM

Delighted to see Kinsale finally hit the summit of the premier. Although they still have to finish it out, i think it would take a miracle for them to lose it from this position now. League/AOH double with be a fantastic achievement and would be well deserved. Good luck with the finish of the season Shilts, and hopefully the double will be achieved come the end of the season.

maninthemiddle

16/05/2011, 4:44 PM

it is according to referees website anyway as 27th may. bad form.

sharpshooter

17/05/2011, 2:32 AM

[QUOTE=footiefanatic;1486388]Delighted to see Kinsale finally hit the summit of the premier. Although they still have to finish it out, i think it would take a miracle for them to lose it from this position now. League/AOH double with be a fantastic achievement and would be well deserved. Good luck with the finish of the season Shilts, and hopefully the double will be achieved come the end of the season
id think ud find footiefanatic if kinsale win the league and aoh it would be a treble..

Innishvilla

17/05/2011, 10:12 AM

it is according to referees website anyway as 27th may. bad form.

Just saw that now - bad form of the MSL I would say. The AOH is a bit at the mercy of the availability of Turners Cross. A league game can be moved around fairly comfortably normally. I think most neutral cork soccer followers would like the opportunity to attend both games - not to have to make a choice.

Glenbuck

17/05/2011, 12:30 PM

I thought AOH final is on Friday 27th May - Is the date for Rockmount v Avondale set???Rockmount v Avondale May 27th Rockmount Park.

donaldihno

17/05/2011, 12:51 PM

why should the msl worry about a fixture in the aul....im sure u will find most footballing people would head to the mount dale game as the quality would be far greather with just kinsale/wilton and the die hard aul followers going to watch this...thats just the reality of the situation....so how many seasons is it now that kinsale wit about 10 games in hand coming into march/apr go and win the league....its a crazy situation and one that should be addressed once and for all....playing teams with nothing to play for bar pride is a far different proposition than playing them back in oct/nov when everyone still has ambitions for the season

Could not agree more with you red and white!
Same happened with kilumney,not saying they didnt deserve the title,but they went to pearse at end of april,who had not played in long time!
Kilumney won 7-0,i can promise you that would not happen any other time,cause pearse are a fantastic team,but had nothing to play for!

overthehill

17/05/2011, 1:01 PM

Mellerick and Lynam have stepped down from Ballyvolane and it looks like another long standing AUL team may be gone! The list of people out there who are willing to sacrifice their own time to keep a club going is dwindling, especially those without basic facilities. With the attitude of some players also open to question they will not be the last club to go in the close season. 41 yrs Ballyvolane have been in the AUL, a tremendous achievement for a club without their own facilities and who have moved pitch on many occassions. These two guys have given over 30yrs each to the club, playing and managing and it is sad to see it come to this but with nobody willing to help out they have reached the end of their tether. A well deserved break and some family time awaits for the summer!

the ghost

17/05/2011, 1:58 PM

Could not agree more with you red and white!
Same happened with kilumney,not saying they didnt deserve the title,but they went to pearse at end of april,who had not played in long time!
Kilumney won 7-0,i can promise you that would not happen any other time,cause pearse are a fantastic team,but had nothing to play for!

Although I do agree with Red and White regarding it not been the MSLs problem clashing with the AUL diary I'm surprised at Donalinho talking aload of crap. It's not Killumneys problem the other team had nothing to play for in April what do u want them to do, score 1 and shut up shop?? As well as Kinsale what are they suppose to do about it? Not play in the Munster Junior, FAI junior, Munster senior cup, AOH cup and the Mossie Linnane oh I suppose they can get onto the AUL to pull the Oscar trayner team out of it.......oh and you can pass on the weather mans number if u know him to us all too

Innishvilla

17/05/2011, 2:55 PM

why should the msl worry about a fixture in the aul....

Fair enough - I guess it sums up the MSL attitude to the AUL... The poor relation that should be ignored, who cares if the potentially biggest league game of the MSL season clashes with the biggest AUL cup game of the season.
I think you'd be surprised though there will be a lot of neutrals will go to the AOH cup final though. But my point was that football fans in Cork would like the opportunity to see both games and that a league game is more easily arranged than a Turners Cross fixture. If for example a Wilton v Kinsale league game with the title on the line was clashing with the Beamish Cup final I would like to think the AUL would consider re-arranging the fixture.

donaldihno

17/05/2011, 5:01 PM

Although I do agree with Red and White regarding it not been the MSLs problem clashing with the AUL diary I'm surprised at Donalinho talking aload of crap. It's not Killumneys problem the other team had nothing to play for in April what do u want them to do, score 1 and shut up shop?? As well as Kinsale what are they suppose to do about it? Not play in the Munster Junior, FAI junior, Munster senior cup, AOH cup and the Mossie Linnane oh I suppose they can get onto the AUL to pull the Oscar trayner team out of it.......oh and you can pass on the weather mans number if u know him to us all too

Ghost not saying its kilumneys or kinsale problem!Its AUL!
In my opinion the fixtures is a joke,a team with 17 games played waiting for 5,6,7 weeks to play out there last game,while the other team goin for the league has 12 games to play!

I no what ur saying ghost and you a point,but there must be something done with league fixtures!play 5 or 6 in august/september!
Im sure the mossie is at the bottom of everybodys list!

Il always be against it,whether anything can be done,which i think there can is another thing!

maninthemiddle

17/05/2011, 5:36 PM

well lads after last night AGM ill be back reffing with the AUL next year so i look forward to seeing you all and getting welcomed with open arms to the various different grounds. lol.

Horse24

17/05/2011, 9:27 PM

Would MSL arrange Dale V Rockmount on the evening of Sat 28th I wonder????

Its not us v them surely - its about football. Its the AUL's premier final, I hope I would have thought of it if I was Fix Sec with MSL.

Is it going to far to say MSL don't care about junior football anyway, even their own?

If 6 teams have one game left each against Kinsale, how will they play them all in one day? Success will always generate a backlog. Its very true about playing teams with nothing to play for, but they will have beaten a hell of a lot of good sides to get to the position of a backlog of fixtures.

Cas taking player/manager job at Street?

Sad about the Ballyvolane pair - we had run ins but their dedication earns my respect. I stood on their line for a bit when we played them..........Mr Lynam is a dodgier linesman than the guy who gave Hurst's goal in 66..........but huge respect to the pair of them!

So maninthemiddle, any fee increases to scare us? I was thinking of asking for an invitation to a refs meeting to give an idea of my side of the fence, and let them give me theirs - is it a good idea in your opinion? Would it serve a purpose?

Does anyone remember getting notification or mention of the rule change at a meeting? The "Leave it" rule we spoke about last week?

skippy7

17/05/2011, 10:23 PM

Blarney st 0 Kinsale 2 at monard tonight,2 first half goals sealed the points for Kinsale

Innishvilla

18/05/2011, 7:35 AM

Does anyone remember getting notification or mention of the rule change at a meeting? The "Leave it" rule we spoke about last week?

Well I guess that it is up to players and clubs to be aware of the rules. Otherwise there would be an expectation of getting notification of every rule change.

maninthemiddle

18/05/2011, 8:15 AM

i would agree to an extent about the msl not caring as much about the junior leagues but then again they are run well and what else do they need i suppose. they certainly wouldnt care about the AOH cup final being on which is a shame.

i never thought of asking about the leave it rule on monday night horse but ill find out when it changed but i dont think clubs are informed but more expected to know about rule changes probably through word of mouth or perhaps delegate meetings. i dont know really.

i had to book a fella on sunday morning for chasing me the length of the pitch with the game still on as a centre back from the opposition shouted "leave it" to his centre back partner without anyone near the 2 of them. he of course wanted a free for it but wanted it a little too badly. i have it every week. if the shout had put him off or one of his own team mates then of coures it was a free.

good to discuss it here as it may aleave some players frustration and avoid cards for the same frustration or build up of it.

at least next year horse if i have blackstone there will be no-one shouting at me for frees. lol

skippy7

18/05/2011, 10:59 AM

could not agree with you more ghost

Horse24

18/05/2011, 12:06 PM

You must have the wrong club....................Blackstone never shout at refs!!

I cant agree with the fact that its upto the clubs to read every FIFA press release to see if its a rule change. I do think we should be informed of every rule change...........and, to be honest.......I thought we were!!

Im just asking if the Refs told the AUL and if the AUL told us. I cant remember.

casilles

18/05/2011, 12:21 PM

Congratulations to Kinsale on there Aul premier league win. Thats double in the bag only 1 left now for an unbelievable clean sweep.

Ps for those who don't know , Ballyvolane gave a walk over to kinsale

qwertyui

18/05/2011, 12:41 PM

Terrible way to win the league but nobody can say it wasn't deserved. Some people come on here and spout the same old argument that teams have nothing to play for blah blah blah.. Leeside had something to play for sunday morning when we beat them 2-1. If you were down in Coachford last week you'd see they weren't lying down against us, the same goes for Blarney St last night. We're league champions, everybody wants to take a scalp off us - but nobody has been able to do it. Is it Kinsale's fault that teams have nothing to play for? These teams should look at themselves and their own motivation and not worry about our fixtures. The fact is no matter who or when we've played -we've done the business.

How about congratulating a team on winning their 6th Cork AUL Premier League title? The most that has ever been won by a single club as far as i'm aware.

Disgraceful way to end the season by Ballyvolane. Credit to all involved at Grattan to keep the club going all year.

maninthemiddle

18/05/2011, 12:53 PM

i'll get to the bottom of it horse and be back with answers. i can't remember was that rule there when i finished playing a few years ago myself.

one im thinking of would be the six second rule for keepers a few years back or the new interpretations on offside the last few years. were clubs informed of this or did people just accept it?

or the way you no longer have to put the ball out as such for an injured player as it is up to the ref.

i know at the start of this season or was it last we were definitley told that injured players now had to go to the side after receiving treatment but thats the only one i know of. interesting.

BigfeetBigsocks

18/05/2011, 1:22 PM

Horse the "leave it" "you must use your name" comes under unsporting behaviour... Rule 12 Fouls and Misconduct.

- verbally distracts a player during play or at a restart

So how it would be a free kick if a defender is going for a ball and attacker uses words "Leave it or mine etc " to gain advantage of decieving defender who leaves ball thinking it his own player calling it, so gaining advantage.

but say when player says leave it to his own player and there is no opponent around then that is not a free kick, as it wasnt used to distract an opponent

The law has always been there it just means you can not use verbal words to distract player and gain advantage during play. which is always under the discretion of the match official to say if it was or not....

sharpshooter

18/05/2011, 1:41 PM

congrats to kinsale and yourself shilts on the double..another big one next week for ye,which i dont think anybody could call to be honest...

sharpshooter

18/05/2011, 1:45 PM

Shilts

18/05/2011, 2:35 PM

kinsale may be happy to play teams who just have pride to play for but thats not what the league should be about...they do well in the cups which is not their fault i agree but the mossy linane should either go or be moved to end of season whereby teams who are just seeing out the season at present would now have a new motivation... start the league right off the bat..if teams wana play friendlies then of course belt away but get the league up and running in august.....mjc and fai dont get going till oct i think so by then 6 or 7 league games will have been played by EVERYONE.....now u have a proper title race and not the nonsense we are seeing in prem (kinsale) prem a (killumney) and division 1 (springfield)

Last season the Mossie was played at the end of the season like you are asking for.
Leeside won it, well in to the month of June.

Leeside had a tailback of league games last year - we had to wait SIX weeks from our second last league game until we played them in the final game, which we won to claim the title.

So, having a lot of games in hand does not mean you will get the points in the end.
This year we were the ones playing catch up and we have been successful in achieving our goal.

Anyone who moans about anything to do with our success should realise that we are unbeaten in over 12 months in all Cork AUL competitions (over 35 games). League, Mossie, AOH, FAI and MJC Cork areas - we have played a lot of good teams when they were "up for it" and had to battle all the way for the results we got.

The only Cork team to beat us in 2010/2011 so far has been Avondale in the Munster Senior Cup, 2-1 aet. (...and they went on to win the FAI Intermediate Cup)

To say we are only successful because others are not trying is disrespectful to our ability and efforts on and off the pitch.

Anyway, the league and the Mossie have now been put to bed.
That's history now.

I'm only looking forward to The AOH Cup Final.
Unusually, the 2 best teams in the Cork AUL are up against each other this year.
It should be a cracking game judging by the 1-1 draw, when we recently played each other in the league.
There will be nothing between the sides and even the bookies will struggle to call this one.

Hopefully, Cork AUL's showpiece match will bring out the best from both teams and after a difficult year for the league, bring a smile to all involved with soccer in Cork. :ball:

...and as for some MSL game on elsewhere ...forgive me for saying...
..."Do I look bovered?" ;)

maninthemiddle

18/05/2011, 3:26 PM

well said but calm down before you have a heart attack. i thought kinsale had applied to go senior league 2 years ago but i might have that wrong.

casilles

18/05/2011, 4:23 PM

lads some on this are having a go at kinslae for the backlog of fixture????? It was asked at the aul Agm to bring the mossie back to a start of season competion which I myself is in fair of. To those that say its meaningless or should be scraped ,i ask would they turn down an offer of an Aul medal???? Kinsale have had an unbelievable 12 months and credit were it is due. The only games that I can remember that have been called off down there were when we all had them called off during the bad weather and ice. They have been succesful in there endevours in all competions and thus are behind in the games they have to play. I for one would love to be in there position as it would say we have been going very well. Its the nature of the beast . No point giving out to Kinsale about it get on to the aul if you feel you have a grievence. Once again I say congratulations to Aul Premier Champions Kinsale .

Lads as a player in the Aul Premier for the last few years I would not be in favour of scrapping the Mossie. It is a great competion and a perfect kick start to the season. If it was scrapped , premier teams would only have the league and Aoh to compete in at local level, why should the premier divisions of the aul have only 2 when all others have 5 ie league,aoh,city/county,divisional cup and corinthins cup.

Innishvilla

18/05/2011, 4:29 PM

well said but calm down before you have a heart attack. i thought kinsale had applied to go senior league 2 years ago but i might have that wrong.

Would have been impossible as the MSL & AUL were in the middle of a 5 year agreement no transfers to Senior if my memory serves me rightly.

But rumours always abound - only last month it was up here that we were looking to go to the MSL - I've asked around the club and no-one has heard any mention of it so where the rumous came from...

maninthemiddle

18/05/2011, 4:36 PM

ya i had only heard it through the grapevine kind of way as well inish.i was just wondering. as a player i never had any experience nor cared about committees or the leagues etc etc as i just trined and played and left it at that. cant say i have changed much as a ref.

our meetings drive me nuts and i hate being at them but they are necessary and can be very beneficial training wise when there is no drama.

Glenbuck

18/05/2011, 4:58 PM