Cork AUL 2010/11

[The 'View]

Lads don't know a whole deal about AUL team management set up but there seems to be an awful lot of people involved. With regards to Pa O Connor, he played with Castleview a couple of years ago. Good player but not very reliable. I have it on good authority that he's not even sure if he'll turn up for AUL squad. He didn't have the interest to play all season so what interest is he going to have in the Oscar Traynor. Horrendous choice by management team, will definetly turn players off turning up for AUL squad trials.

[olachico]

very good point glenbuck. a total shambles,hopefully the aul will next season advertise the job on the net ,pick the manager for one year and if fairly successful maybe get another year.o reagan should have been gone after last years loss to clare.he discarded players from the oscar winning team of year previous. i bet many of us could pick an alternative team that would have a better chance than this one. i said this last year re mr o reagan and i was proved right then.the same beckons.

Shetland as i've said to you last year - if you dont like the way the AUL appoint the AUL manager why dont you send a letter to the AUL. Sorry for the repeated use of the letters A U and L but its just so it sinks in .I'm sure they would be delighted to hear your views on the matter!! I'm sure you are also aware Shetland that the AUL like to appoint a manager for 2 or more seasons! Niall was appointed last year and got the team to the semi finals!

Ps its spelt FARCE and PERSONAL - as you know Shetland i get to a lot of AUL matches - i've often seen you and Bieber at them! Last year i travelled to alot of the Oscar traynor teams games - in fact i was one of the few outside of the committee who travelled to Tipperary for the Quarter Final. I have recommended players to the panel since last year - some have got trials some have not! People criticised the AUL manager last year for not having more input from within the AUL and when he does he gets criticised again!

I'm sure your name will be top of the list of applicants too Shetland - nice to see you waved back the other day and that there are no hard feelings ;-)

[pacman]

With regards the AUL team, most of the core players i.e. definite starters come and go as they please regarding training etc. And many of them know they can get away with it too. The thing is, he knows the players he wants and he was quite happy to string along a lot of fellas to 1. keep clubs happy and show them that it doesnt matter what division you are in, you can make it 2. Make sure you have enough bodies for training and challenge matches so it doesnt look like a farce from the outside

Some fellas were told they didnt have to train. Other guys then are training for months when the manager knows they havent a hope of being in his final selection

[the ghost]

100 percent agree with both the view and pacman.

View you echoed my thoughts exactly with your point but we'll just have to see if were wrong?

What do you do with the aul team Olachico??

[olachico]

Thats all well and fine Olachico but explain why is he there ??? And what experience has the Grattan manager got to assist in the running of an inter lge team? Surely his priority should be getting a great club up and running again ??

Glenbuck - I dont need to explain the squad selection process to anyone! Clubs were complaining that players werent given a chance yet when clubs were asked to send players for a trial they didnt .

[thebooboys]

It was there Centre Mid. Forget his name. Didnt realise he was AUL Capt. That makes it more interesting so given that we got large representation on Oscar Traynor. I hope ref puts it in his report coz the way this guy acted he deserves much more than the basic 3 matches. Condon was unlucky to get sent, as was said he was closest, reacted by shoving the knockavilla player etc and the ref said it himself afterwards that one from each had to go

[thebooboys]

with regards to AUL team most players train twice a week with club. I couldnt fault some for not wanting to train a third night.
As regards to selection, best players should play. Thats if you want to win something. The players there at present are good enough to give anyone a game. only a few inclusions which i find questionable

[pacman]

Glenbuck - I dont need to explain the squad selection process to anyone! Clubs were complaining that players werent given a chance yet when clubs were asked to send players for a trial they didnt .
But I guess that is whats annoying so many people ola, it seems all that has changed is that now there is a facade in place to give the impression that players are being given a chance but the reality is that maybe 90% of the squad is pre-determinded and the rest seem to be dragged along to bulk up training etc.

Now what i will say is that and especially for players from outside premier/premier A, even if they didnt make the final cut it was probably a good experience to train with quality players and get an insight into Nialls training methods which are top notch. So from this point of view i think players probably did get something out of it even if they are annoyed with how it ended.

[shetland]

ola bottom line he is the manager of a team from m.s,l, and should not be manager of aul squad at all.he has fellas like you doing his job.best way to see players in action is to watch them play with their clubs on weekends he cant do that as bandon are playing.trials and get togethers on all weather pitches isnt ideal.ive sen players be superstars on all weather pitches and only average on grass,.also i see a few others here agree, and dont worry i will let it be known at aul meeting.

[olachico]

But I guess that is whats annoying so many people ola, it seems all that has changed is that now there is a facade in place to give the impression that players are being given a chance but the reality is that maybe 90% of the squad is pre-determinded and the rest seem to be dragged along to bulk up training etc.

Now what i will say is that and especially for players from outside premier/premier A, even if they didnt make the final cut it was probably a good experience to train with quality players and get an insight into Nialls training methods which are top notch. So from this point of view i think players probably did get something out of it even if they are annoyed with how it ended.

Pacman i was a delegate for Hibernians before i started my "club hopping phase" . At AUL meetings I had repeatedly said there should have been trial games as there are some very good players at lower levels in the AUL - Jack Walsh out of Innishvilla being one case that springs to mind for this year - a fine player playing at Div2 - someone i'm sure would have been in the squad if it wasnt for an injury

[olachico]

ola bottom line he is the manager of a team from m.s,l, and should not be manager of aul squad at all.he has fellas like you doing his job.best way to see players in action is to watch them play with their clubs on weekends he cant do that as bandon are playing.trials and get togethers on all weather pitches isnt ideal.ive sen players be superstars on all weather pitches and only average on grass,.also i see a few others here agree, and dont worry i will let it be known at aul meeting.

Ah but Shetland I'd be going to matches anyway - regardless of any involvement with the AUL panel - so surely its better to use that knowledge rather than discard it

Tell you what Shetland - why dont you outline your master plan for the AUL team? because as far as i can see you'll complain win lose or draw - why not put your neck on the line and apply for it next year??

[olachico]

Lads with regards to Niall O'Regan, I've known him for years since he started his coaching career. Nice guy but does anyone feel he is using the AUL job to further his coaching career or CV. If its ok to appoint a MSL manager to manage the AUL side lets get a f**king good one. For me start at home ask Patsy Freyne, if he refuses ask Billy Cronin, John Caulfield, Phil Harrington etc. Alot of fuss has been made about Willie Bruton here but the guys mentioned before he'd hardly tie their boots. But in fairness played against Willie and is a great player, why isn't he on AUL squad? From looking at the panel no one really better than him. Is the manager intimidated by a League of Ireland player?

The View i wouldnt be certain as I've had no dealings with any MSL club during my "club hopping phase" but i'm fairly certain that there would need to be an "incentive" for those managers you've listed to do it

[The 'View]

Ola, both Patsy and Billy Cronin have managed The MSL squad on a couple of occasions and never recieved any compensation, which I persume is what your're refering too. Next AUL AGM check the financial report for miscellaneous, might want to question that.

[olachico]

Ola, both Patsy and Billy Cronin have managed The MSL squad on a couple of occasions and never recieved any compensation, which I persume is what your're refering too. Next AUL AGM check the financial report for miscellaneous, might want to question that.

I wouldnt dare mention money on this forum TheView - i dont get to go to AUL meetings that much anymore as I'm no longer a delegate - i will let that to Horse or indeed sheltand to question!!

[The 'View]

Shetland you should check that out!

[olachico]

Shetland you should check that out!

yeah make sure you do shetland - i for one will be putting your name forward for AUL manager the next time it becomes available regardless of the results this season

[shetland]

yeah make sure you do shetland - i for one will be putting your name forward for AUL manager the next time it becomes available regardless of the results this season

ola dont bother.i wont be be interested. 32 years this year involved with my club and aul and am takeing a break at end of season. to be honest ive had enough .it gets harder every year..and ola this is an oppinion forum and i express mine.others like view and paceman seem to agree.also i can tell ya your clubs centre half would be on my panel if i was manager.

[olachico]

ola dont bother.i wont be be interested. 32 years this year involved with my club and aul and am takeing a break at end of season. to be honest ive had enough .it gets harder every year..and ola this is an oppinion forum and i express mine.others like view and paceman seem to agree.also i can tell ya your clubs centre half would be on my panel if i was manager.

So 32 years involved with the AUL and available at the end of the season - that ticks all the boxes - I'll propose it will anyone second it

You can call round and knock on my door anytime you want to discuss it ;-)

[Inswinger]

Grattan United 1 Coachford 8

Not much to report here lads, three points in the bag, seven different scorers. Blarney St. on Saturday will be a totally different prospect. Cant see Grattan seeing out the season if they are going to be suffering defeats like this every week, very hard on them, in fairness they conducted themselves well up to the final whistle which is a difficult thing to do so fair play to them in that regard. Cant see their better players like Figo stayin on and putting up with these kind of results though.

[shetland]

So 32 years involved with the AUL and available at the end of the season - that ticks all the boxes - I'll propose it will anyone second it

You can call round and knock on my door anytime you want to discuss it ;-)
ola you can propose away it aint go to happen,when i go i go no football whatsover.,but having had a taste of it this year yourself you might be in the frame.

[olachico]

ola you can propose away it aint go to happen,when i go i go no football whatsover.,but having had a taste of it this year yourself you might be in the frame.

God no - i would miss being involved with a club!! Plenty more club hopping and knocking on doors left in me yet ;-)

[trouble]

lads think i might have got the ball rolling about pa o connor just want to clarify not his fault he called up because he great footballer if not the best midfielder in northside when he on his game and nice fella but one game of football all years having trained at all and in the squad now ye can say that dean being niall number 2 means nothing ps ye want to get yer heads checked

[shetland]

your dead right trouble something fishy alright.

[Shilts]

Grattan struggling big time
That's sad to see but they'll be back soon enough.
Very hard on the lads having to fulfill fixtures and take a hammering just to save the club.
Not much fun in that for them.

[Radiostar]

Lads, to be fair to AUL management this year, they did ask all clubs to put names forward, so I don't think anyone can say they didn't listen to suggestions on this very site. Looking at the squad it looks fairly strong and I don't think there can be too many complaints except for maybe the player mentioned here. But I do think it is at the managers discretion to pick the players he wants. Also Niall was managing in the AUL when appointed, things change and I'm sure he is committed to winning the Oscar Traynor Trophy. As I said my only complaint was how I felt my player was treated, whether he misunderstood the instruction or not. I think if there was 17 training on the night he was there, I know for a fact that most of that 17 were involved a lot longer in the set up, so would know the run of things, would it have been so hard for 1 of the management team to make sure he knew what was going on? I know how I treat any new player at my club' certainly a lot better than what he got on that night. Olachico you are involved so maybe this is something that you could make sure is addressed, as I do believe they do listen.

[scaffa7]

Scaffa heard down in the anglers that Littleman took a training session with Bohs during the week. Any truth in this and if so is he gonna throw his lot in with ye. If it is true good to see him back involved after the way he was treated. What's the chances of pa Connors starting on wend for the aul after today's developments in leeside/knockavilla game???

Nah Triggs he was nt at any training session but your right it would be good to see him back has a lot of experience in football..............as a matter of fact i think i saw him at our game on Saturday well i think it was him anyhow!!

[Glenbuck]

Glenbuck - I dont need to explain the squad selection process to anyone! Clubs were complaining that players werent given a chance yet when clubs were asked to send players for a trial they didnt .
Can I take it so that there is unrest in the camp and I can expect an MSL win ? I dont want an explanation on the squad selection process, as far as I can see there is no process, We could be waiting another 43 years before the Oscar Traynor is back on The Cork AUL sideboard.

[Triggs]

What about Shetland/Olachio for joint management of the Aul team next year!!! Could be the solution to all this. Olachio it's commendable that you are defending the selection process and fair play to you for doing so but you can't defend a guy getting selected after playing only one game for his club. It makes a mockery of the trial games. And it will dis hearten fellas in the future. Just my opinion but there has to be more to it and it does look like dean Evans is behind it. All told it doesn't look right from the outside anyway.

[Glenbuck]

Nah Triggs he was nt at any training session but your right it would be good to see him back has a lot of experience in football..............as a matter of fact i think i saw him at our game on Saturday well i think it was him anyhow!!
You couldnt have missed him Scaffa. Small and round. Joke.

[Dixie's Cousin]

Hey Scaffa, would littleman being playing or managing?

[Dixie's Cousin]

Hey Scaffa, would littleman being playing or managing?

maybe he could get an AUL call up?

[Glenbuck]

Lads, to be fair to AUL management this year, they did ask all clubs to put names forward, so I don't think anyone can say they didn't listen to suggestions on this very site. Looking at the squad it looks fairly strong and I don't think there can be too many complaints except for maybe the player mentioned here. But I do think it is at the managers discretion to pick the players he wants. Also Niall was managing in the AUL when appointed, things change and I'm sure he is committed to winning the Oscar Traynor Trophy. As I said my only complaint was how I felt my player was treated, whether he misunderstood the instruction or not. I think if there was 17 training on the night he was there, I know for a fact that most of that 17 were involved a lot longer in the set up, so would know the run of things, would it have been so hard for 1 of the management team to make sure he knew what was going on? I know how I treat any new player at my club' certainly a lot better than what he got on that night. Olachico you are involved so maybe this is something that you could make sure is addressed, as I do believe they do listen.
Radiostar, I think part of the problem might lie in the first sentence of your post. Giving the clubs a choice of who to send for trials is the way that schoolboy rep teams work. The AUL should appoint next years manager in next few weeks. That way he can get out to see prospective players for next years panel. And by seeing I mean get out on Saturday afternoons and Sunday mornings and start taking notes. See how they react in the latter stages of cup competitions this season and follow it up again in August and September. Just an idea.

[Horse24]

Glenbuck, you make a point that I was thinking of about the appointment of the AUL manager as early as possible. Very difficult to find a suitable guy not involved with a team to see other games though. As Ola pointed out, thats why guys should manage the AUL side for more than one year. Lots of luck needed if a guy wins the Oscar Traynor from any league in his first year.

The process of clubs forwarding players is a good one. Who knows their players better than they guy who sees them 3 nights a week? It should be used as well as watching games, if he has the time.

On the Pa O Connor thing, if Pa O Connor had joined someone outside Grattan or Blackstone, would you not think the AUL manager would want to know anyway? I would. Some people may not think its fair on the others who had been around all season, but, I have learned as we have risen through the leagues - football gets less and less fairer as you get near the top.

Bottom line for this week, we dont like everything Trappatoni does but we support Ireland. Lets get behind the AUL team. Pity they put that John Giles Walk meeting on the same night.

Shetland, thats a shock. We may not agree on many things.....in fact the only one I can re-call is the performance of the ref up in yer place last season...but you will be a huge loss for Bally. Your sidekick will be lost. Hopefully its only a re-charge of batteries. Whatever we agree or disagree on, you fight your clubs corner and give many unselfish hours for your club. Not too many of them around the place. Enjoy the gardening! (Yes, Shetland, re-read that papragraph....it is a compliment!!)

Lets hope the Gratts see out the season ok and have time for a re-build during the summer.

[sharpshooter]

Can I take it so that there is unrest in the camp and I can expect an MSL win ? I dont want an explanation on the squad selection process, as far as I can see there is no process, We could be waiting another 43 years before the Oscar Traynor is back on The Cork AUL sideboard.

no unrest in the camp what so ever....expect what u want.win lose or draw ye'd prob slate us any way...

[trouble]

sharpshooter you getting upset now no one will slate team just like myself everyone on this site will be hoping for win maybe you could hit four again it seem to be a habit with you

[olachico]

Can I take it so that there is unrest in the camp and I can expect an MSL win ? I dont want an explanation on the squad selection process, as far as I can see there is no process, We could be waiting another 43 years before the Oscar Traynor is back on The Cork AUL sideboard.

What unrest are you referring to? I'm not the one on here complaining about the selection process!! We (blackstone) had 5 went training - only 1 got selected - at the end of the day the squad is the squad and if fellas dont like it they can throw their names forward the next time it becomes available!

[olachico]

What about Shetland/Olachio for joint management of the Aul team next year!!! Could be the solution to all this. Olachio it's commendable that you are defending the selection process and fair play to you for doing so but you can't defend a guy getting selected after playing only one game for his club. It makes a mockery of the trial games. And it will dis hearten fellas in the future. Just my opinion but there has to be more to it and it does look like dean Evans is behind it. All told it doesn't look right from the outside anyway.

I dont think shetland and i could work together - he gets upset when i call to him - thats no basis for a working relationship ;-)

[shetland]

Glenbuck, you make a point that I was thinking of about the appointment of the AUL manager as early as possible. Very difficult to find a suitable guy not involved with a team to see other games though. As Ola pointed out, thats why guys should manage the AUL side for more than one year. Lots of luck needed if a guy wins the Oscar Traynor from any league in his first year.

The process of clubs forwarding players is a good one. Who knows their players better than they guy who sees them 3 nights a week? It should be used as well as watching games, if he has the time.

On the Pa O Connor thing, if Pa O Connor had joined someone outside Grattan or Blackstone, would you not think the AUL manager would want to know anyway? I would. Some people may not think its fair on the others who had been around all season, but, I have learned as we have risen through the leagues - football gets less and less fairer as you get near the top.

Bottom line for this week, we dont like everything Trappatoni does but we support Ireland. Lets get behind the AUL team. Pity they put that John Giles Walk meeting on the same night.

Shetland, thats a shock. We may not agree on many things.....in fact the only one I can re-call is the performance of the ref up in yer place last season...but you will be a huge loss for Bally. Your sidekick will be lost. Hopefully its only a re-charge of batteries. Whatever we agree or disagree on, you fight your clubs corner and give many unselfish hours for your club. Not too many of them around the place. Enjoy the gardening! (Yes, Shetland, re-read that papragraph....it is a compliment!!)

Lets hope the Gratts see out the season ok and have time for a re-build during the summer.
thanks horse,sur its only a bit of banter ,and what i have learned since this forum started,is that ola and youself and a few more are all very passionate about yere clubs and that says a lot.its tough at times but the difference in players attitudes nowadays to when you and i played is so different.you trained twice a week and had your games on weekends ,mostly for us on sun morn.;..some teams nowadays if a game was on sunday would struggle for numbers.i think the league will loose a lot of teams next year.

[olachico]

Lads just out of curiousity who would fellas put forward for manager of the AUL team when it next becomes available and dont dare say me Shetland!!

[Legohead]

Why doesnt everyone on here go and watch in O'Shea park Wednesday and then pass judgement on the team and management instead of picking managers and squads for next seasons competition......

[shetland]

someone ola that has managed in this league and knows it inside out.that could go and watch players playing with their clubs on .SATURDAYS and sundays,maybe peter jones of kinsale a very experienced guy, or revert back to minty fitgerald who did a great job.just two off my head.

[olachico]

You should put that in writing shetland ;-)

[shetland]

no unrest in the camp what so ever....expect what u want.win lose or draw ye'd prob slate us any way...
ah come on shooter you cant really pass judgement on the selection process ,or the manager to be fair.your on the panel and are hardly going to rock the boat.from my own point of i couldnt care if .they win loose or draw.,.

[shetland]

You should put that in writing shetland ;-)
ola i would do only you know as well as i do the management will do their own thing any
way.

[olachico]

ah come on shooter you cant really pass judgement on the selection process ,or the manager to be fair.your on the panel and are hardly going to rock the boat.from my own point of i couldnt care if .they win loose or draw.,.

But you can??? Your comment at the end just sums you up really!! For someone who doesnt care about how the AUL team does you have an awful lot to say about it

[sharpshooter]

ah come on shooter you cant really pass judgement on the selection process ,or the manager to be fair.your on the panel and are hardly going to rock the boat.from my own point of i couldnt care if .they win loose or draw.,.

i no sheltland just saying their's no unrest we all want to win....

[overthehill]

Lads, been reading all the comments and yes, we all know the AUL team set up and organisation leave a lot to be desired. Ola, you are defending well and battling your corner as one involved would have to do but you must see all the flaws as the rest of us do. For the AUL to win the oscar again we would need a strong manager with great diplomatic skills who got the full backing from all clubs AND total commitment from the players selected. Cant see this scenario any YEAR soon, can you? Unless someone comes up with something radical we will be reading all the same comments again in 12months time!
ps. Hope we do a job on the "aristocrats" from the munster super, sorry senior league wed.

[shetland]

Lads, been reading all the comments and yes, we all know the AUL team set up and organisation leave a lot to be desired. Ola, you are defending well and battling your corner as one involved would have to do but you must see all the flaws as the rest of us do. For the AUL to win the oscar again we would need a strong manager with great diplomatic skills who got the full backing from all clubs AND total commitment from the players selected. Cant see this scenario any YEAR soon, can you? Unless someone comes up with something radical we will be reading all the same comments again in 12months time!
ps. Hope we do a job on the "aristocrats" from the munster super, sorry senior league wed.

very well put hill,your dead right.

[olachico]

So Shetland as someone with 32 years of experience of AUL football (thats longer than i've been on this planet by the way!!) why dont you put your name forward - As far as i can see you should either do something about it or be quiet - you're like a BROKEN RECORD

[overthehill]

Ola, i really think you lose a bit of your logic when Shetland puts up a post and just fly back at him without clear thought. How can sharpshooter pass clear judgement on the process when he is part of the squad and hoping for selection?? REPERCUSSIONS!!!!!!! Shetland can speak without fear of reprimand.