Cork AUL 2010/11 [Archive] - Page 41

skippy7

03/05/2011, 10:06 PM

Leeside 1 Kinsale 2 kinsale (3 leeside 2 on agg). in the first half Kinsale had a few half chances a header going just wide a shot and a header saved by keeper,leeside had a half chance from a corner but headed straight at the keeper.The second half began with kinsale pushing for the opening goal and should have taken the lead after a long throw went through to the forward he finished it well from an accute angle ,but the linesman to flagged for offside even though he couldnt have been offside from the throw!Kinsale did take the lead soon after a corner went straight in.Leeside equalised from a corner.Kinsale got the winner with about fifteen minutes to go when a shot was spilled by the keeper the ball wasnt cleared by the leeside defence fell for Derk mc who blasted it past the keeper for a deserved win.

skippy7

03/05/2011, 10:12 PM

congrats to innishvilla on winning the league!
well done to sharpshooter as well tonight ye are definetly safe now

JRyno

03/05/2011, 10:50 PM

Innishvilla

04/05/2011, 8:04 AM

Congrats on the league innish from yer neighbours de courcey Albion.. Went to see your last game last season and must have been gut wrenching to miss out on the league like that! Fair play for coming back stronger this year! Leeside pipped us by a point to div 3 title but can't say they don't deserve it. They've been there or thereabouts the last few seasons and were unlucky not to go up last year.. We will feel like we let the league behind us but are still delighted to be playing div 2 football next season... First time in 8 seasons out of div 3!

Thanks JRyno - Ye ran it very close Congrats on the promotion. Didn't look like it at the time but the draw against Innishvilla was costly. That said I though Cork Road Celtic had it in the bag - but they lost their last 2 games to go from 3 point clear to not even in the top two. It was a cracking league - with the top 5 seperated by no more than 5 points all season until parkview lost a few on the trot in the last few weeks...

I would also like to say well done to churchvilla on securing their survival in Division 2 - after seeing them in the Saxone Cup final I was surprized that they were down there struggling for survival.

On the promotion point - the AUL really needs to look at the 2nd divisions. Only one team going up is really punishing on teams. Hibernians in AUL 2 have gone the season losing 1 league game, 3 draws they will finish runners up and get nothing... I know AUL 1 & 1a are only 1 up as well but I think that is a bit fairer as the prize there is premier football - it should be really difficult and has to be when 2 divisions go into 1, it would be bad to have 4 teams relegated from Prem A. But AUL 1 & 1a are big divisions why not have 3 coming down with 2 coming up from 2, 2a & 2b?

Inswinger

04/05/2011, 10:36 AM

Congrats Innis on the league win, its obvious that the club is on the way up and it wo nt be long in my opinion that ye will be playing at a much higher level. There must be great work being done behind the scenes and at underage level so kudos on that front, hopefully our paths will cross next season. Being biased great to see our fellow culchies going great guns, great achievement for Leeside's 3rd string to win their league and their second team reaching county cup semi final, managed by ex player Jeremy O Sullivan. A player with great experience and a nice lad too could be a contender for the 1st team. Will we see him being promoted boo and bluey?

sharpshooter

04/05/2011, 10:52 AM

bluey

04/05/2011, 2:34 PM

Thanks for all the Congrats on winning div3. Great achievement all right and I'm delighted for the group of lads who kept going throughout a tough season, some great teams in that div and v hard to get out of, so to win it where delighted. The month of april done it for us really taking 13 out of 15pts available. Bar 3 players over 25 the rest of the 18-20 man squad are all under the age of 22 with 3 17yr olds. All of whom have come through youths in the club in last 3/4 years.

Shilts

04/05/2011, 3:12 PM

BALLYVOLANE 0 MACROOM 2

started off well went one up after 10mins from mackie,then got a pen very harsh to be honest i steped up 2-0.ballyvolane got on top they hit the post twice should ave scored really.2nd half it was all ballyvolane and if im honest they prob could ave won the game if they took their chance but their was no getting past our keeper he was in fine form last night....best of luck to ballyvolane next year.premier football for macroom again next year so cant complain,kinsale next for us at home sunday goona be very tough but we will give it a go and try to be the 1st to beat ye in the league shilts;)

Glad to see that ye are safe now Sharpshooter.
We had a good close game last time out, but hopefully we won't have to rely on our elderly/ancient players anymore this season :rolleyes:

Interesting comments from Innish about the country teams doing better than the city teams this year.
Also, 2 northside teams have been relegated from the Premier Division.
I wonder is this related to the recession, with "the soccer-playing areas" of the city suffering more from emigration than most other areas.
Could this be a factor?!

casilles

04/05/2011, 4:10 PM

Interesting comments from Innish about the country teams doing better than the city teams this year.
Also, 2 northside teams have been relegated from the Premier Division.
I wonder is this related to the recession, with "the soccer-playing areas" of the city suffering more from emigration than most other areas.
Could this be a factor?!

Ya all in all it doesnt look to been a good year for us City teams, bar Wilton who are still fighting yerselves for the 2 top honours and either Kilreen or Douglas taken the 1a title. fairview took the St Michelals alright too. The recession has hit everywhere wether you are from Gurranabraher or from Union Hall , id say nearly ever team has had at least 1 player emigrate.Where it really hurt us is if a fella has work there is no way you can ask him to take it off and we have seen that on the mid week games. On the relegation of Grattan and Ballyvolane it is sad but take a look at the Premier A, there will be 6 Northside teams in the division next year. I do believe the old cliche of come March the county teams will have no one cause of the Gaa is gone. Nearly all village/parish teams are well run and the facilities have come on leaps and bounds, Buttervant,Inishvilla, Coachford,Macroom ect. Where us city teams are struggling if we dont already own our pitch is bettering our facilities. Some of ye on this will point out ye ran fundraisers and got grants but that is the great thing of been the parish team, you are the only team there. Take a look at the northside of Cork there is in total 22 teams in the Aul and 6 senior teams and 2 MJl teams. That is a lot of players and finding finance is getting harder and harder. Of that 15 of the aul teams do not own there own grounds. We Blarney St Ath will be the only Northside team in the Premier next year but i do believe it wont be long before a few more rejoin us.

Inishvilla, congads on yer league win, oh and too you too Bluey!!! On the matter of teams coming second and not getting promoted take alook at our good friends Cresent Ath, Played 18, won 12, drew 5 , lost 1. now that is a great season no ,atter who you are .This point has been brought up every year, I do believe the leagues need a bit of reorganising, just something that i was looking at and throwing my 2 cents at it, would apreciate a bit of feed back on it too plaese

Premier 14 teams, 3 down,
1st Div 2 sections of 14 teams, 2 winners up with the 2 2nd places having a playoff to go up. 2 down from each
2nd div 2 sections of 14 teams 2 up, 2 down
3rd div 2 sections of 13 teams, 2 up
There would be no premier A as seen above but that division has a 50% turn over rate every year, the above numbers are what is activley in the Aul at the moment, Ballyvolane b are not included as they pulled out earlier in the season, Passage are included as im not 100% certain if they are still there or not.

As sais earlier Id love to hear and see other opionions on this and expect oa few raised eyebrows from a few premier A followers!!!

thebooboys

04/05/2011, 7:07 PM

Shilts

05/05/2011, 9:58 AM

Generally a team thats top of their league goes on to have a cup run also. ie 1st division champs generally do well in Michaels, same can be said for league winners involved with Corinthians, Saxone and Presidents cup. A Premier with 14 teams would not work if said pemier team went on a run in the FAI and the Munster. Not unless you could play a certain level of games midweek during the darker months. That would require floodlights etc which most teams dont have unfortunately.

And yes, Jeromy O Sull has done a very good job with the B team. 2 legged semi vs Ballincollig then a final against Glanworth/Hibs A i think. Best of luck to em.

Have to agree with you there booboys
Last year Leeside got to the open rounds of the munster and fai cups - they also got to the finals of the AOH and Mossie Linnane Cup.
If they had to play another 8 games on top of that they could not have been finished before July 1
Similarly this year after our (Kinsale) good cup runs we now have 8 league games and the AOH Cup Final to play as it stands.
An extension of the Premier Division is not practical in my opinion.

And next year, the MFA are running a cup for all their junior league champions (Premier) so that will only add to the present backlog for the better teams.

How about have a 12 team Premier A and relegate 3 to the first Divisions.
They could be replaced by the winners of the first divisions and the winner of a playoff between the runner-ups in the first divisions?

I do agree that something must be done to cater for the runner-ups though.

Also to keep more teams involved for longer I would reccommend some type of play-off system as per the lower leagues in England. This would reduce the amount of mid-table nothing games that occur at the moment and it would also keep teams honest when playing the teams fighting for honours and against relegation.

Inswinger

05/05/2011, 11:30 AM

As regards to having only one northside team in the Premier next year I think Cas hit the nail on the head, there are probably too many teams in the Northside at the minute for them all to be competing at the very top, personally i can t see why some teams cant pool their resources, alot of these clubs do nt have a feeder club at underage level and may have a better chance of long time survival. From the top of my head i can think of Villa, Rockville, Ballypheane who would have had been in the premier but ultimately disbanded because of the club being run by a small few hardworking club men, a club in my opinion needs to be more than that. Maybe and this might be controversial but if a team is nt doing particularly well a lack of loyalty comes into play with regard to players with a neighbouring club reaping the benefits.

I think the premier as it is with 10 teams is more than adequate with all the cups these teams are involved in, certainly the fact only one team from the 1st divisions get promoted is a problem maybe increasing the number of teams in the Prem A or having play offs for the runners up and maybe the 4th bottom in Premier A could be looked at.

blackiegray

05/05/2011, 11:49 AM

Also to keep more teams involved for longer I would reccommend some type of play-off system as per the lower leagues in England. This would reduce the amount of mid-table nothing games that occur at the moment and it would also keep teams honest when playing the teams fighting for honours and against relegation.

Playoffs seem like a great, sensible idea Shilts. There are some divisions where since Christmas most matches have had nothing of consequence on them. Stick second place into a playoff final and 3rd and 4th into a semi. Or even drag the second or third bottom team in the league above into the same playoffs.

Two or three more games won't be the end of the world, even two-legged ties. And it could make so many more matches more interesting.

thebooboys

05/05/2011, 12:47 PM

in my opinion the main thing to be changed is the 1st division promotion..u can have excellent teams coming second that will get discouraged by the lack of progression...has to be playoff with 3 2nd placed theams and team from 4th bottom in premier a...its a no brainer really...

having watched the aul this year i think the standard is drastically decreasing and the league need to try and do something quick to increase the level....maybe make premier an 8 team league with everyone playin 3 teams....grattan ballyvolane knocka villa macroom are not premier teams on the basis of what i saw...

as for premier i think the lack of progress in national cups was clear for all to see and kinsale waltzing through the league is not great recognition either....

Silly comment. Kinsale haven't strolled league this year and their posters here will be the first to agree with me there. Indeed coachford+blarney st improved this year to make it much more competitive. As for FAI and Muster Junior we(leeside) have had very good record reaching last 16/32 regularly over last few seasons. Wilton also had good run in senior cup recently too

Inswinger

05/05/2011, 1:38 PM

as for premier i think the lack of progress in national cups was clear for all to see and kinsale waltzing through the league is not great recognition either....

I think you ll find Red and White that the failure of the Aul teams to challenge at the later stages of the FAI Junior amd MJC has more to do with the fact that we are competing against teams who are only a Junior team by name only, most of the top Junior teams in Tipp, Limerick and Waterford regularly hand out beatings to the top MSL teams. They do nt have a Senior League in these counties, the likes of Pike, Fairview, Clonmel. St. Michael's and Carrick are as good if not better than what we have in the MSL. It goes to highlight what a great achievement it was for leeside to win the MJC a few years back.

The league tables do nt lie, Kinsale are the best team and have been in the AUL for a number of years and they have consistently done well in the FAI. What i would like to see next year is a number of rounds of league fixtures in the Premier league being run off from the very start of the season and that we all play our games on the same week end avoiding teams having to play several games at the end of the season. Also that Premier teams not to play until the 3rd round of the Aoh.

Innishvilla

05/05/2011, 1:54 PM

I must disagree a bit there too - Kinsale will be pushed all the way by Wilton this season I feel. Looking around the country, in Limerick Pike & Fairview are out of sight (13 points clear) in the premier division. In Tipp St Michael's and Clonmel Town are 10 & 14 points clear of the rest respectively, in Dublin AUL Sheriff are cruising the league title with a 4 point lead with 4 games in hand.

thebooboys

05/05/2011, 1:54 PM

I think you ll find Red and White that the failure of the Aul teams to challenge at the later stages of the FAI Junior amd MJC has more to do with the fact that we are competing against teams who are only a Junior team by name only, most of the top Junior teams in Tipp, Limerick and Waterford regularly hand out beatings to the top MSL teams. They do nt have a Senior League in these counties, the likes of Pike, Fairview, Clonmel. St. Michael's and Carrick are as good if not better than what we have in the MSL. It goes to highlight what a great achievement it was for leeside to win the MJC a few years back.

The league tables do nt lie, Kinsale are the best team and have been in the AUL for a number of years and they have consistently done well in the FAI. What i would like to see next year is a number of rounds of league fixtures in the Premier league being run off from the very start of the season and that we all play our games on the same week end avoiding teams having to play several games at the
end of the season. Also that Premier teams not to play until the 3rd round of the Aoh.

Further evidence for your point, pike beat avondale 3-2 recently in Munster if memory serves me correct. And yes leeside did well a few yrs back to win the munster, albeit thanks to a decent draw with lots of home ties.

Would also agree with not entering premier teams in early rounds of AOH. In recent yrs we've thumped douglas, ucc, and a few more in early stages of cup. Pointless exercise.

Shilts

05/05/2011, 3:37 PM

I think if you look at the tables you'll find that Kinsale are doing the chasing at the moment and have a lot of work to catch up with Leeside and Wilton especially.

sharpshooter

05/05/2011, 4:17 PM

in my opinion the main thing to be changed is the 1st division promotion..u can have excellent teams coming second that will get discouraged by the lack of progression...has to be playoff with 3 2nd placed theams and team from 4th bottom in premier a...its a no brainer really...

having watched the aul this year i think the standard is drastically decreasing and the league need to try and do something quick to increase the level....maybe make premier an 8 team league with everyone playin 3 teams....grattan ballyvolane knocka villa macroom are not premier teams on the basis of what i saw...

as for premier i think the lack of progress in national cups was clear for all to see and kinsale waltzing through the league is not great recognition either....
knockavilla grattan ourselfs and ballyvolane are just they their make up the numbers every week ,sound:confused:

sharpshooter

05/05/2011, 4:50 PM

well the proof is in the table....grattan got battered right left and centre..a situation like that is a DISGRACE for a premier league to be in...be interested to see how many points macroom ballyvolane and knockavilla took from the top 3 of leeside wilton kinsale....my point is not to offend clubs but gettingto the premier league should be a huge achievement but staying there should be even harder..u can now survive by being fairly average in my opinion which in turn does not help the bigger teams which in turn has led to a downturn in the quality of football being produced...

this year is the 1st year in a few the grattan havent been fighting for the league only for them losing half their team and the manager they prob be still up their..knockavilla won the aoh cup last year beating leeside.u saying so that macroom winning the premier A last year to get into the premier wasnt a big achievement.

thebooboys

05/05/2011, 7:29 PM

Red and White i dont agree with your point about a team getting battered every week not being good enough, it happens in every league in the world whether amateur or professional. You need look no further than the MSL Premier, Tramore getting beaten virtually every week, UCC being off the pace and even Mayfield struggled but for a decent finish, There are and there will always be weak teams.

The Grattan situation was based on extenuating circumstances, the virtual leaving of a team to be supplanted by a second string was never gonna be easy. But credit to Grattan, theyve tried to fulfill their fixtures.

I take your point that you can be average and survive though. We've seen it with some Junir teams who have been Premier for a long time avoiding the drop because another shower arent up to scratch.
But the point people are missing is that this is Junior football, things can change very quickly eg Grattan, Killumney coming from nowhere, same is true of Springfield.

Horse24

05/05/2011, 11:33 PM

Glad to see that ye are safe now Sharpshooter.
We had a good close game last time out, but hopefully we won't have to rely on our elderly/ancient players anymore this season :rolleyes:

Interesting comments from Innish about the country teams doing better than the city teams this year.
Also, 2 northside teams have been relegated from the Premier Division.
I wonder is this related to the recession, with "the soccer-playing areas" of the city suffering more from emigration than most other areas.
Could this be a factor?!

I think this is the answer to all that followed - one northside team is reportedly to have lost 9 players on the one plane! We ourselves have half a team over in Oz!

Second place deserves something and play offs may be the way to go. This season the two runners up in Div 1 for example could have played each other and then the winner plays the 3rd bottom side in Prem A.

I think the standard dropping is maybe a bit of "The good oul days". Some very good sides out there. The Grattan situation is a freak occurence and Ballyvolane changed a lot of players over the summer.

In the 3 MSL divisions there are teams tailed off. Its a strange but common occurence that winning teams turn over a lot of players after the success. We lost 8 of our double winning 19 in the summer that followed for various reasons.

Congrats to all the winners, especially Inish after the long wait!

I do think 10 teams is enough for the top two divisions, if the Mossie stays.
The Mossie is better at the start, but could a space be found for a chunk of even 4 league games early doors, on maybe AOH 1st round day.

TheRock

06/05/2011, 5:21 AM

Have to agree with most replies to redandwhite's comments, every league will have one or two strugglers, consistent mid table teams and anywhere between 2 - 4 teams pushing for honours.

Playing in Clashduv Road for the past 2 seasons with Greenwood maybe increases your concentration levels but it definitely doesn't help your confidence.
We've struggled to hang onto players due to this, I'd imagine other teams in Cork have also lost good players to MJL teams with better facilities.

I would feel facilities are far and away the biggest draw back for the standard of AUL football.
Getting togged off on the side of pitches or filthy potacabins doesn't exactly put you in a great mindset for a game either.

On the season, we were punished for some poor results, losing twice to our buddies Blackstone and some poor draws but full credit to Kilumney on a solid season, weren't too gracious in defeat at the start of the season but a good team non the less.

Anyway, Congrats to my buddies at Greenwood for getting promoted and also Aidan Long for getting our player of the year (in his first season coming from the B's), I missed the last 6 games cause I headed off to Australia, right wingers are easily replaced in Togher though .....

Shilts

06/05/2011, 10:05 AM

There has been a little slagging off of Grattan recently.
This is unfair to those hard workers who have battled to save the club from extinction. (players and admin)
Great credit is due to them for saving a good club.
OK, they got relegated - but at least they have time to regroup over the summer and rebuild.

Radiostar

06/05/2011, 11:09 AM

I agree with Casilles, his league structure is well thought out, Maybe max 12 teams though. There should be only 1 premier division, Premier A really is a 2nd tier league. So Premier should be the toughest league to get into, not Premier A.

On another note was disappointed with how things went for my old club Ballyvolane, I hope they can keep the club afloat for next season.

Horse24

06/05/2011, 11:58 AM

[QUOTE=TheRock;1483000]Getting togged off on the side of pitches or filthy potacabins doesn't exactly put you in a great mindset for a game either.

On the season, we were punished for some poor results, losing twice to our buddies Blackstone and some poor draws but full credit to Kilumney on a solid season, weren't too gracious in defeat at the start of the season but a good team non the less.

Rock......haha the term buddies is being used loosely there is it?????

Our manager called yer promotion from as early as the end of last season. Our games are what football should be. Tackles, booking, effing and blinding..........and hands out at the end of it.

Congrats to ye and hopefully the new pitches will be in situ for start of the season

casilles

06/05/2011, 12:17 PM

well lads the restructuring debate has seen many opinions and some great ideas. On reading I agree with boo on maybe 14 is too many games, could we go 12 and left out of the aoh till the 3rd round? i still believe the Premier A is a disaster of a league. Too many changes in it every year.People are gonna be odd on this but you are either Premier or not! I came up through these channels before any1 says who do i think i am. I think every has agrred that at the very least there shouls be a playoff for the 2nd placed teams in Div 1 and Div 2. Where my thinking on 14 in every secton was it afford 4 changes in the section every year without it been a totaly new group{ 2up, 2 down} i hope to attend the Aul Agm and plan on branching the subject .

Innishvilla

06/05/2011, 1:23 PM

It is very difficult - I was writing a long post with my suggestion but half way through I was already picking holes in my own ideas... There are positives and negatives in a lot of different suggestions.

skippy7

06/05/2011, 7:46 PM

on the issue of increasing the premier league i dont think this would help any club in trying to reach the latter stages of the munster and fai cups,if teams get a good run in the fai or munster junior i think they would have 4 games a week for the last three weeks of the season,Kinsale had a good run in the fai and munster junior cup this year and have 4 matches in a week coming up.i think premier teams entering the aoh in the 3rd or 4th round is a good idea

the owl

06/05/2011, 9:55 PM

Sad to see Ballyv go down this year and hope to see them regroup for next year. Also want to wish Colm mac a quick recovery after breaking his leg playing for them, particularly as he is getting married in 2 weeks !!!!!!!!!!
On the league set ups i think there should be changes as i agree their should be only one prem division, and agree that more than one from the diff leagues should be promoted. You look at killreen and douglas, lost one game each (i think) and only one will go up ????

TheRock

07/05/2011, 2:59 PM

True Horse, always tough games, a good rivalry that we usually don't take much from. 3-1 down the bog last year was the only decent result for us. That was a sweet one, went one down in all.
Its funny really, a true bogey fixture that we rarely do ourselves justice.
Matches like those are ones I'll miss over here.

casilles

07/05/2011, 4:05 PM

thebooboys

07/05/2011, 5:53 PM

Went to watch first leg of county cup semi final today. Our B's against Ballincollig. Finished 1-1, weather conditions very poor, affected the game.
Would be confident that we'd take it in second leg next week.
Just saw Wilton held away to Park, Kinsale are now a cert. Not unless something very strange happens.

thebooboys

07/05/2011, 5:55 PM

Would be interested to see who Kinsale have left to play. I know they have to play ourselves and Wilton. Anyone know the other games??

Horse24

07/05/2011, 7:14 PM

Blackstone rvs 1 kilumney 2

Well congratulations to Kilumney on there league victory, looking forward to playing yereselves and greenwood next year. On the game blackstone could really and should have been 3/4 up by half time. Scored in the first 5 mins and had great chances to increase there lead but didn't rake them. Kilumney equalised after a dropped ball was headed in by Kearney . 2nd half totally different. The visitors took the lead and had a few chances to kill the game off with twice hitting the cross bar. Finished 2-1 and a big night out ovens way tonight !!!

Yeah, first half spot on. Left at half time but the lads seem disapointed in the result after a really good performance.

Our pitch was out of action this week and Fairview and ourselves each played a game on the pitch next door. Crescent & Blarney Street couldnt have been nicer. Our league is alive and well when we have clubs like those.

On the league, I suppose top 2 is about right. Both went on long unbeaten runs. Pearse & Bohs had opposite seasons with a strong half each. We would put ourselves and Kanturk pretty even with those two. Leeds lost a few in January, as did Castleview. They seemed to struggle a bit from there. Village played some nice ball as did Glenthorn but just didnt amass enough points.

pacman

07/05/2011, 8:02 PM

Would be interested to see who Kinsale have left to play. I know they have to play ourselves and Wilton. Anyone know the other games??

Away to Blarney Street
Think they might have park twice
Home Wilton
Away Leeside
Away Knockavilla???

I'm sure Shilts can tell us.

If Wilton and Leeside both beat them, it may take only one other slip up (park, blarney street away?) for Kinsale to be dragged back.
To be honest though, they look a certainty.

Who else have Wilton left other than Kinsale?

junglegym

08/05/2011, 10:58 AM

Who else have Wilton left other than Kinsale?

Home to Coachford Tuesday at 7pm ( Farranlee Road )

Shilts

08/05/2011, 12:35 PM

Macroom 0
Kinsale 2

Home to Grattan
Away to Leeside
Away to Blarney Street
Away to Ballyvolane
Away to Park
Home to Wilton

A lot of football still to be played!

Horse24

08/05/2011, 5:29 PM

maninthemiddle

08/05/2011, 6:22 PM

Man in the middle/Padjoe, one for ye. We had a situation where one of the Attackers shouted "Leave it" in the box. The ref said it was up to his discretion if it was an offence or not. I thought it was an offence in all cases?
If he is deemed to have put off an opposition players by doing so it's a free. that rule changed. You can say leave it if you want but it's unsporting behaviour to put a player off by doing so.

super_mario

08/05/2011, 8:46 PM

Well the end of another season cant say I'm not relieved, what started out as a very promising year up Premier A it all seemed to unfold around Christmas with players leaving and injuries or whatever, credit where it's due to Killumney and Greenwood both teams prob deserved what they got and I'd like to congratulate them both on there achievements!

After our game against Killumney our final game of the season our manager is moving on after 15 or so years with the club is moving to take over Castleview Juniors so we ourselves will be wiping the slate clean and starting again to get to where we think we belong playing premier football.

Well done inishvilla, Killumney, Millstreet all the league winners, only matter of time before kinsale are added to that list aswell

Glenbuck

08/05/2011, 11:31 PM

Man in the middle/Padjoe, one for ye. We had a situation where one of the Attackers shouted "Leave it" in the box. The ref said it was up to his discretion if it was an offence or not. I thought it was an offence in all cases?
Think the rule was changed. If you are not gaining an advantage from the shout i.e. putting off an opposing player I think its play on.

Horse24

09/05/2011, 11:39 AM

If he is deemed to have put off an opposition players by doing so it's a free. that rule changed. You can say leave it if you want but it's unsporting behaviour to put a player off by doing so.

When did that come in? How are rule changes in general passed down through the various levels to the clubs?

But surely even if its two of your own players together, you are gaining an advantage by avoiding the possibility of the players getting in each others way?

Is this like the offside rule? Turn what is Black & White into grey?

Why change the rule in the first place? What was wrong with it?

Shilts

09/05/2011, 1:39 PM

When did that come in? How are rule changes in general passed down through the various levels to the clubs?

But surely even if its two of your own players together, you are gaining an advantage by avoiding the possibility of the players getting in each others way?

Is this like the offside rule? Turn what is Black & White into grey?

Why change the rule in the first place? What was wrong with it?

The "old rule" was ridiculous.

If a player said - "leave it" - free kick against him.
If the same player said "leave it, Jimmy" - no free kick against him.

What if the opposition player's name was Jimmy?!
Which shout gave the advantage???

Frees were given even though no disadvantage/foul was made against the team given the free.
How did this work in international games where the ref couldn't speak either language???

The new rule is more player friendly, and the ref still can use his discretion if he feels somebody is being cute and really trying to gain an advantage.
The game gets stopped enough, this change helps to keep it flowing in my opinion.

Also, the offside rule is better now too!!!
Nothing worse than a goal of the month contender from 30 yards being dssallowed because somebody else was standing in an offside position away from play and not interfering.

I'm no spring chicken Horse 24, but you must be from the W-M brigade if you prefer the older versions of these rules ;)

casilles

09/05/2011, 1:58 PM

sharpshooter

09/05/2011, 3:10 PM

macroom 0 kinsale 2.

not much really to say only kinsale deserved the win,we didnt really have many chances only from long range which we hit the post from one if that went in maybe it could have been different but not to be.best of luck to kinsale fro the rest of the season.park at home next sunday for us for our last game.would be nice to finish off the season the way we started with a win...

Inswinger

10/05/2011, 11:20 AM

Home to Coachford Tuesday at 7pm ( Farranlee Road )

Match called off, pitch unplayable!

Horse24

10/05/2011, 11:42 AM

On looking at different ideas lads how about this?

Premier 12 teams 2 down
Prem A 12 teams 2 up. 3 down
Div 1 2 sec 12 teams section winners up and a playoff between the 2 2nd places teams to go up
Div 2 2 sec 12 teams 2 up 2 down
Div 3 2 sec 12 teams 2 up.
Those figures give a total of 96 teams. This season the Aul had starting 99. Ballyvolane B folded. So maybe 1 more in different sections in the 2nd/3rd to make up the 99. The above gives a teams who maybe dont have a good start a chance to still go up. Also the premier teams not to enter the Aoh till the 3rd round .

You can mess with the numbers depending on overall numbers but you have the right idea Cas. The AUL's argument about 1 up from Division 1 was that you shouldnt be able to go from Div 3 to Prem without winning a league. A valid argument but less valid that only one opportunity for promotion from any division.

Horse24

10/05/2011, 11:50 AM

The "old rule" was ridiculous.

If a player said - "leave it" - free kick against him.
If the same player said "leave it, Jimmy" - no free kick against him.

What if the opposition player's name was Jimmy?!
Which shout gave the advantage???

Frees were given even though no disadvantage/foul was made against the team given the free.
How did this work in international games where the ref couldn't speak either language???

The new rule is more player friendly, and the ref still can use his discretion if he feels somebody is being cute and really trying to gain an advantage.
The game gets stopped enough, this change helps to keep it flowing in my opinion.

Also, the offside rule is better now too!!!
Nothing worse than a goal of the month contender from 30 yards being dssallowed because somebody else was standing in an offside position away from play and not interfering.

I'm no spring chicken Horse 24, but you must be from the W-M brigade if you prefer the older versions of these rules ;)

Just learn not to shout "Leave it" at under 12 - problem solved.

The more Black & white rules surely the better. We always ask for more consistency, so that means less discretion.

Its the "phase of play" section of the offside rule that me, all refs and Mr Blatter dont understand - not the not interfering that you mentioned. I think I may have mentioned it before - the example that sticks out for me comes from Liverpool V Newcastle some years back. As the Newcastle midfielder advanced, Hyppia stepped up and Kluivert was 5 yards offiside. The midfielder swung the ball out the wing to the onside winger, who advanced and pulled it back for Kluivert to score. Goal stood - new phase of play. You telling me Kluivert didnt gain any advantage from being 5 yards nearer the ball than Hyppia? Grey area in a rule where black & white is needed. A controversial rule made all the greyer.........

Shilts.......the coincidence is I am reading a book............and am currently on the W-M chapter!!!