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United fans :rolleyes:
I find it quite embarrassing the amount of Irish posting on those boards referring to United as "we" aswell...
Not surprising when you have Muppets like Bertie Ahern swooning over them on TV etc. (at our expense!) at every opportunity, and using the same language.
geysir
16/04/2009, 8:56 AM
Where do you have to go on this forum to be embarrassed by the amount of the use the "we" word? This is the only thread somewhat related to Man U.
as_i_say
16/04/2009, 12:16 PM
Delighted for O'shea in the past year or so. I have slated him plenty of times on this board for his lack of effort, laziness and incompetence in the Irish shirt. He is our most improved player under Trapetoni and now has a steely edge to his game and is playing with more heart and determination and most importantly-concentration. Good for him, its about bloody time.
geysir
16/04/2009, 3:47 PM
It was the short black out spells that were the killer :)
Do you think Trap has had some crucial influence on O'Shea's game?
Hard to believe he will be 28 soon.
jmurphyc
17/04/2009, 1:22 PM
Must say that his general play seems to have improved immensely of late. He now seems a lot better going forward than previously and often seems to put some excellent through balls into the box. Long may it continue.
ken foree
17/04/2009, 5:59 PM
problem with o'shea was that he was so bloody good when he emerged. nutmegging figo and generally rampaging up and down the left wing, for united at least. the only place from those lofty heights was down, unfortunately. our expectations were perhaps a little bit unrealistic. good player, i suppose his flaws are all the more perplexing because they seem to be of the type that are easily fixed.
as_i_say
20/04/2009, 1:18 PM
Everyone is different i suppose-he was living on the memory and reputation of his first 2 seasons with united and was content to just coast. Ill never forget watching him against San Marino in Landsdowne-honestly the laziest most useless git Ive ever seen in an Irish shirt!
Anyway its great to see him playing well again. Maybe Trapetoni has had an effect on him. Someone has lit a fire under his arse anyway-Its a pity its taken 50 caps for it to happen though when we've needed a solid partner for Dunne for a long time now.
It could all be a case of him being very uncomfortable at left back for us as well though-where he played most of his games.
Everyone is different i suppose-he was living on the memory and reputation of his first 2 seasons with united and was content to just coast. Ill never forget watching him against San Marino in Landsdowne-honestly the laziest most useless git Ive ever seen in an Irish shirt!
Anyway its great to see him playing well again. Maybe Trapetoni has had an effect on him. Someone has lit a fire under his arse anyway-Its a pity its taken 50 caps for it to happen though when we've needed a solid partner for Dunne for a long time now.
It could all be a case of him being very uncomfortable at left back for us as well though-where he played most of his games.
Wrong! He is not a centre back and any decent sporting pundit gives him 5-6 out of 10 for his performances. His game has improved but he is naturally better at left or right back. I would sooner have Andy O'Brien beside Dunne and O'Shea on the right.
Yes! Andy O'Brien has gotten out of position at times, so has Dunne.
From what is available, we need to be looking to have Finnan, Dunne, AN OTHER and O'Shea on the left.
Killer could possibly do a role as a holding midfileder, even a center back! but has been shown up to many times now in a position which is certainly not his natural one.
irishfan86
21/04/2009, 8:53 AM
Wrong! He is not a centre back and any decent sporting pundit gives him 5-6 out of 10 for his performances. His game has improved but he is naturally better at left or right back. I would sooner have Andy O'Brien beside Dunne and O'Shea on the right.
Yes! Andy O'Brien has gotten out of position at times, so has Dunne.
From what is available, we need to be looking to have Finnan, Dunne, AN OTHER and O'Shea on the left.
Killer could possibly do a role as a holding midfileder, even a center back! but has been shown up to many times now in a position which is certainly not his natural one.
:eek:
NeilMcD
21/04/2009, 9:41 AM
Wrong! He is not a centre back and any decent sporting pundit gives him 5-6 out of 10 for his performances. His game has improved but he is naturally better at left or right back. I would sooner have Andy O'Brien beside Dunne and O'Shea on the right.
Yes! Andy O'Brien has gotten out of position at times, so has Dunne.
From what is available, we need to be looking to have Finnan, Dunne, AN OTHER and O'Shea on the left.
Killer could possibly do a role as a holding midfileder, even a center back! but has been shown up to many times now in a position which is certainly not his natural one.
I think he was shown up in central midfield far more than he was at left back. Do you remember Cyprus away. O Shea and Dunne has worked as a centre back partnership and what most good coaches do they make the spine of their team strong and that has worked so far. I think Finnan being fit would solve the right back issue and we should be trying out Foley to against Nigeria also.
Razors left peg
21/04/2009, 10:01 AM
I think he was shown up in central midfield far more than he was at left back. Do you remember Cyprus away. O Shea and Dunne has worked as a centre back partnership and what most good coaches do they make the spine of their team strong and that has worked so far. I think Finnan being fit would solve the right back issue and we should be trying out Foley to against Nigeria also.
I think its nearly time for us to stop hoping that Finnan will be fit all the time and move on to Foley. If Finnan was in his 20s still I would say he still has a chance at being a regular for us but its looking increasingly unlikely at his age now.He is picking up more and more niggling injuries all the time
Den Perry
21/04/2009, 12:43 PM
Where do you have to go on this forum to be embarrassed by the amount of the use the "we" word? This is the only thread somewhat related to Man U.
Dr ogba actually stated "those" boards, not this one...
Ever listen to Today FM and full of clowns on about Liverpool, Utd etc..."we hate mancs" and "we hate scousers"...and the nearest any of them have been to a manc is watching Coronation St
Razors left peg
21/04/2009, 1:20 PM
Dr ogba actually stated "those" boards, not this one...
Ever listen to Today FM and full of clowns on about Liverpool, Utd etc..."we hate mancs" and "we hate scousers"...and the nearest any of them have been to a manc is watching Coronation St
On the train down to Galway after an international a few months ago a few muppets were singing Man United and Liverpool songs over and back at eachother which eventually led to fights and Guards waiting in Athlone for them..... best part though was yer man from Athlone singin the Man United songs with a Manc accent:D
I think he [EDIT Kilbane] was shown up in central midfield far more than he was at left back.
Do you remember Cyprus away. O Shea and Dunne has worked as a centre back partnership and what most good coaches do they make the spine of their team strong and that has worked so far. I think Finnan being fit would solve the right back issue and we should be trying out Foley to against Nigeria also.
Yeah, I just find it hard to suggest to drop Kilbane altogether! Kinda like an old sheepdog!
I still say that ideally we play O'Shea right or left and looking at goals we have given up, O'Shea could have done better in most. He is also pacy down the wings but quick enough to get back. Though I still say he is a kick in the hole or two away from giving maximum effort.
geysir
21/04/2009, 5:39 PM
Dr ogba actually stated "those" boards, not this one...
quite right he did, my slip up.
Yeah, I just find it hard to suggest to drop Kilbane altogether! Kinda like an old sheepdog!
I still say that ideally we play O'Shea right or left and looking at goals we have given up, O'Shea could have done better in most. He is also pacy down the wings but quick enough to get back. Though I still say he is a kick in the hole or two away from giving maximum effort.
Any word re. his injury.....was it a kick-in-the-hole ? :) and how long out?
OwlsFan
23/04/2009, 10:14 AM
Would be a disaster if O'Shea's injury is long term. Alex Bruce at the heart of the defence anyone?
geysir
23/04/2009, 10:47 AM
You can imagine that O'Sheas injury is serious, its a delicate balance between motivation and injury.
Just how many kicks up the hole do you think had to be inflicted upon O'Shea just to get him going? One more kick and it just might be a camel back breaker.
Brendan 82
23/04/2009, 2:29 PM
Alex Bruce at the heart of the defence anyone?
He will become a legend under Keane.
There may be no truth in the above statement
eaststand85
23/04/2009, 4:27 PM
Any word re. his injury.....was it a kick-in-the-hole ? :) and how long out?
Looks like he's out for a couple of weeks at least and possibly 'til the end of the season http://www.premierleague.com/page/Headlines/0,,12306~1636271,00.html
jbyrne
24/04/2009, 12:27 PM
You can imagine that O'Sheas injury is serious, its a delicate balance between motivation and injury.
Just how many kicks up the hole do you think had to be inflicted upon O'Shea just to get him going? One more kick and it just might be a camel back breaker.
even his harshest critics over the years have moved on from this type of rubbish after the great season he's had
Junior
24/04/2009, 12:33 PM
talksport just reported that he is available for Man U this weekend.
geysir
24/04/2009, 1:59 PM
even his harshest critics over the years have moved on from this type of rubbish after the great season he's had
Who is criticising? Maybe you are assuming I knew about O'Shea's injury
At the time I didn't actually know O'Shea was injured, never mind seriously enough injured. I don't watch much english football or follow Man U match reports.
It was just a harmless comment from me to follow on from Scram, which read like a spoof to me.
O'Shea played the last 20 or so mins today, came out for rafael who was looking a little dodgy. That injury mustnt have been quite so bad after all, a tad bit of an over exaggeration from Fergie!!:rolleyes:
Youths4Ever
29/04/2009, 7:11 PM
champions league game v Arsenal he has just scored the opener (ruined all my bets) took it well though
NeilMcD
29/04/2009, 7:14 PM
Could be 3 up already
Colbert Report
30/04/2009, 3:32 AM
Great game today at right back from O'Shea! Up and down the wings, great crosses, great support, well taken goal.
Fergie's Son
30/04/2009, 3:45 AM
Nasri wasn't exactly much of a threat but he played very well today. Much better than Evra who couldn't seem to make a pass.
O'She is doing well. very well actually.
shakermaker1982
30/04/2009, 6:27 AM
O'Shea was very good again last night. Took his goal brilliantly as well. I hope he wins another CL medal and starts in the final if they can hold off Arsenal at the Emirates. It mustn't be easy for a full back to have Ronaldo in front of you because a) he doesn't track back and b) every stray pass you make he has a hissy fit.
Yes, O'Shea very good again and note: NOT AT CENTRE BACK !!
Pity he couldn't take a similar chance he got v France in Paris :(
Stuttgart88
30/04/2009, 7:53 AM
The paris chance was harder in fairness. He caught both right in the middle of his boot. Eddie Jordan was saying at HT on R5 Live that all he did was poke it in but I thought he hit it pretty sweetly. Damn him!
OwlsFan
30/04/2009, 8:19 AM
Very modest type of person. Being a regular in the Man U team is doing his game a lot of good and increasing his confidence. Well done JO'S. Love to hear the Waterford accent at the back of his throat in the interviews (my mother was from there as well). Perhaps not aggressive enough like Moran, McGrath, McCarthy etc as a centre half but O'Leary would be a player of a similar type and he didn't have a bad career.
jbyrne
30/04/2009, 10:32 AM
Nasri wasn't exactly much of a threat
eh... maybe thats down to osheas performance?
Drumcondra 69er
30/04/2009, 10:57 AM
Very modest type of person. Being a regular in the Man U team is doing his game a lot of good and increasing his confidence. Well done JO'S. Love to hear the Waterford accent at the back of his throat in the interviews (my mother was from there as well). Perhaps not aggressive enough like Moran, McGrath, McCarthy etc as a centre half but O'Leary would be a player of a similar type and he didn't have a bad career.
Excellent performance from O'Shea last night, delighted he finally seems to have improved his concentration levels and we're seeing the best of him.
But he's nowhere near the player O'Leary was at that stage of his career and I doubt he'll ever get to that level. That's not meant as a criticism but O'Leary was a top class centre back and one of the best playing in England in his day.
Lionel Ritchie
30/04/2009, 10:59 AM
Pity he couldn't take a similar chance he got v France in Paris :(
my thoughts exactly.
elroy
30/04/2009, 11:18 AM
I think the chance in France came at him alot quicker than last night and it was further out. JOSH has been one of uniteds more consistent performers this season and deserves all the credit he gets. Has taken much stick from Irish supporters in the past but nowadays rarely makes mistakes for either club or country.
Metrostars
30/04/2009, 12:20 PM
Have we ever had a scorer at this stage of the competition?
jbyrne
30/04/2009, 12:24 PM
Have we ever had a scorer at this stage of the competition?
keane v juve '99
Torn-Ado
30/04/2009, 12:26 PM
Have we ever had a scorer at this stage of the competition?
Keane in 99
Wolfie
30/04/2009, 12:30 PM
Jim Beglin also according to Bill O'Herlihy's ear piece (on rte last night).
Buller
30/04/2009, 12:33 PM
keane v juve '99
Jesus, 10 years ago! And of all the people to do it!
EastTerracer
30/04/2009, 12:46 PM
Jim Beglin also according to Bill O'Herlihy's ear piece (on rte last night).
Yes, for those of you too young to remember Jim as anything other than George Hamilton's trusty sidekick, he scored his first goal for Liverpool in the European Cup semi-final against Panathanaikos in 1985. A towering header if I recall correctly.
Just a couple of years earlier he had won the league with Shamrock Rovers. He was a really good prospect for us and unfortunately had his career cut short by a bad injury.
magnumpi
30/04/2009, 12:50 PM
The paris chance was harder in fairness. He caught both right in the middle of his boot. Eddie Jordan was saying at HT on R5 Live that all he did was poke it in but I thought he hit it pretty sweetly. Damn him!
not only did he take it well, but showed good anticipation moving out to the back post position before it fell to him.
re: france 04 that was a harder chance imo, and i've been slagged for giving oshea stick on here before, but i wouldn't slag him for that miss.
Lionel Ritchie
30/04/2009, 12:57 PM
I think the chance in France came at him alot quicker than last night and it was further out. without looking for it on youtube I'll agree it came at him quicker but if anything he was closer in to the back post and deadball line. He just got right under it.
The paris chance was harder in fairness. He caught both right in the middle of his boot. Eddie Jordan was saying at HT on R5 Live that all he did was poke it in but I thought he hit it pretty sweetly. Damn him! Barthez was nowhere for it though -Almunia was on his feet for O'Sheas shot last night. I thought he hit it very well too ...and, through gritted teeth, I congratulate him for it.
DeLorean
30/04/2009, 2:27 PM
Have we ever had a scorer at this stage of the competition?
keane v juve '99
Keane also scored in the Semi Final against Bayer Leverkusen in 2002. It wasn't enough though as United went out on away goals.
magnumpi
30/04/2009, 2:45 PM
[quote=Lionel Ritchie;1152587]without looking for it on youtube I'll agree it came at him quicker but if anything he was closer in to the back post and deadball line. He just got right under it.[quote]
my memory of that night is hazy...good few beers and we were on the very back row behind the goal, but i think o'shea was further out, and didn't he pull it wide, not put it over?
Stuttgart88
30/04/2009, 2:51 PM
He hit it right in the meat, right footed and it flew past the post, curling back in all the time. If he'd been a few yards further out it was a goal.
I reckon he only missed by a few feet and in O'Shea's favour, he had only a fraction to react, the ball came at him really quickly. It could just as easily have gone in. Barthez was rooted.
Drumcondra 69er
30/04/2009, 3:02 PM
He hit it right in the meat, right footed and it flew past the post, curling back in all the time. If he'd been a few yards further out it was a goal.
I reckon he only missed by a few feet and in O'Shea's favour, he had only a fraction to react, the ball came at him really quickly. It could just as easily have gone in. Barthez was rooted.
Thought it was a bad miss myself, he had plenty of space and could have picked his spot, thought he paniced and pulled on it, had he connected like he did last night he'd have scored.
EastTerracer
30/04/2009, 3:37 PM
Have we ever had a scorer at this stage of the competition?
Apart from Keane and Beglin the legendary Stevie Heighway also scored in the semi-final for Liverpool in 1977.
eirebhoy
30/04/2009, 4:56 PM
Nasri wasn't exactly much of a threat but he played very well today.
eh... maybe thats down to osheas performance?
Nasri played in the centre. I think it was Diabi on the left to help out Gibbs against Ronaldo.
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