John O'Shea [Archive] - Page 10

DmanDmythDledge

17/11/2006, 3:29 PM

A lot of the criticism for O'Shea is very unfair IMO. No matter what happens he is almost always the one to receive the most stick. I have to laugh at people pointing the blame soley on him for not winning the Czech game, let alone the goal.

I've seen him play for Man Utd since he broke into the first team and his performances were excellent for player with no experience of playing at such a level. 8/10 times he puts in a decent performance for Man Utd, even in midfield.

micls

17/11/2006, 3:32 PM

carloz

17/11/2006, 3:34 PM

Well surely a player should be dropped on form, not whether the crowd were booing. Having said that he surely needs to be dropped now, there is little argument fro him not to be. If he were with Aston Villa or Reading or another middle table side he surely would have been dropped at this stage. Stan made the claim along the line that he who gets the shirt and plays well keeps it(I cant remember the way he phrased it actually), then he goes and picks O'Shea ahead of Kelly who was immense against the Cechs and played excellent for Birmingham since. On a final note can anyone actually remember O'Shea playing a very good game for us. Im saying all this and im actually a Man United fan!!!

Collyontour

17/11/2006, 3:35 PM

I've seen him play for Man Utd since he broke into the first team and his performances were excellent for player with no experience of playing at such a level. 8/10 times he puts in a decent performance for Man Utd, even in midfield.

We're not talking about Man United though are we?

DmanDmythDledge

17/11/2006, 3:52 PM

I dont give a sh*t how he plays for man united. He is useless for Ireland and puts in no effort.

Saying that i wouldnt boo a player. Its not his fault hes being picked

We're not talking about Man United though are we?
My point was that he has the talent. Sorry for not explaining that properly.

lopez

17/11/2006, 3:55 PM

I don't think he'd be in the team if he wasn't a regular for Man U. The fact that he is a regular for Man U also makes it more annoying he's so cr*p for us. I don't like booing our own players, but I agree he is the laziest f*cker in an Ireland shirt since I failed to get off my a*se in a Stuttgart bar to go to the Mercedes museum. :mad:

The Legend

17/11/2006, 5:09 PM

He definitely needs to pick a position, he should probably leave united to do this. At the current rate, hes going nowhere...

Noelys Guitar

17/11/2006, 5:54 PM

O'Shea has become a bit of a scrapgoat. He has lost his confidence and being booed by his own "supporters" should help that! Other Irish players who have been booed include Mick Martin, John Giles, Don Givens so O'Shea is in good company. I thought O'Shea had a very good game against the Czechs in his favored position of centre half.

micls

17/11/2006, 5:58 PM

My point was that he has the talent. Sorry for not explaining that properly.

But that makes it even more frustrating.

Players who just arent any good youll accept as long as they give their all.

Now either he doesnt have the talent or he doesnt give his all. The first you can defend the second is indefensible

Soko

17/11/2006, 6:19 PM

I thought O'Shea had a very good game against the Czechs in his favored position of centre half.

I agree 100%. But what about the one moment where he AWOL, turned his back on the play and exposed his central defensive partner, making his debut, to an experienced European striker. That does not absolve McShane and particulary Henderson but if he had bust his balls to get back then who knows what might have happened. What did happen is he meandered back and we conceded the only fraction of a chance we had of qualifying. We were playign amateurs on Wednesday and he didn't look out of place for a pub player

Noelys Guitar

17/11/2006, 6:52 PM

I agree 100%. But what about the one moment where he AWOL, turned his back on the play and exposed his central defensive partner, making his debut, to an experienced European striker. That does not absolve McShane and particulary Henderson but if he had bust his balls to get back then who knows what might have happened. What did happen is he meandered back and we conceded the only fraction of a chance we had of qualifying. We were playign amateurs on Wednesday and he didn't look out of place for a pub player

I take your point about him seeming to amble about sometimes (which will always be punished against good teams like the Czechs). But surely it is up to Staunton as manager to get him to play to his potential or drop him. We are still lacking a team leader on the pitch overall and that might explain why players like O'Shea, Duff and a few others seem to be going through the motions at times. For me Duffs decline is almost incredible. What has happened to him?

eirebhoy

17/11/2006, 7:21 PM

But that makes it even more frustrating.

Players who just arent any good youll accept as long as they give their all.

Now either he doesnt have the talent or he doesnt give his all. The first you can defend the second is indefensible
Or confidence. I don't think he's any better for Man U than he is for us tbh.

Den Perry

19/11/2006, 9:32 PM

You sir epitomise everything that I hate about football fans. Just because O'Shea doesn't run around like a headless chicken does not mean that he doesn't care. Not everyone has to show Roy Keane's level of visible passion.

If O'Shea had sprinted back against the Czechs he still probably wouldnt have gotten back to deny Koller. McShane got caught out for the goal, but he seems to have been absolved from all blame because he's a fan favourite with bandwagoners like you.

Furthermore, John O'Shea frequently comes back to Ireland and makes himself available to his schoolboy clubs to help train their youngsters. Hardly something that sits comfortably with the caricature you'd like to peddle but nonetheless, thems the facts.

John O'Shea is a decent footballer. He rarely makes mistakes that cost either Ireland or United goals. The people that booed him the other night have no place at football games.

I agree wholeheartedly. O shrea takes far too much abuse..Although I have bbod Matt Holland ...because he is a treacherous b astard. And I 'm only waiting for the chance to boo staunton

Den Perry

19/11/2006, 9:37 PM

Was in the lower west stand, and couldn't hear any booing. I think this whole thing has been blown out of proportion.

Anyone who boos their own players during a game clearly has no real interest in supporting the team. Ignorant fools...

that is a rubbish point Nedder. I always support Ireland but booed Matt Holland and I had a very real interest in supporting them I also booed Hasslebank at leeds and had a very real interest in supporting Leeds

Den Perry

19/11/2006, 9:39 PM

I bet he couldn't give a sh*t about a certain section, and rightly so.
A manager picking a team based on who the fans boo, thats ludicrous. What next?????

well he is f ucking capable of anything:cool:

nedder

20/11/2006, 8:16 AM

I agree wholeheartedly. O shrea takes far too much abuse..Although I have bbod Matt Holland ...because he is a treacherous b astard. And I 'm only waiting for the chance to boo staunton

Not sure what Holland did to you Den, maybe he shot your dog?

Sounds like you want Staunton to fail, in other words you'd prefer to see us lose....

as_i_say

20/11/2006, 9:34 AM

Dont know how people could boo Matt Holland, a player who made a telling contribution to our team if only in a short space of time. Besides he's retired now-its not worth mentioning when talking about O'Shea. JOS needs to be dropped.

Agree with other posters that McShane and Henderson in particular could have saved Kolllers shot but Ive been analysing OShea for Ireland and Man U lately and there is serious lack of concentration about the way he plays.

He was absolutely dreadful against SM-constantly giving the ball away, yet he gets a special mention from Staunton after the game!! Its not his fault he keeps getting picked but once Carr and Harte come back he should be benched unless we have injuries at center back and even then I'd be very worried

lionelhutz

20/11/2006, 10:41 AM

that is a rubbish point Nedder. I always support Ireland but booed Matt Holland and I had a very real interest in supporting them I also booed Hasslebank at leeds and had a very real interest in supporting Leeds

I have to say that people like you Den anger me.How can you say you support a team but you boo them at the same time? Thats not support, thats just being an idiot. How could booing one of the players you ''SUPPORT'' help the team in any way?!!

And could you please explain why you booed Matt Holland? I know he wasnt a great player by any means but he did put in consistently strong performances. As for your statement ''I'm just waiting for the chance to boo Staunton'' - i must say you sound like someone who knows nothing about football - you probably read the Sun every morning and take it as gospel

Billsthoughts

20/11/2006, 11:50 AM

Not sure what Holland did to you Den, maybe he shot your dog?

Sounds like you want Staunton to fail, in other words you'd prefer to see us lose....

no. sounds like he thinks staunton is a **** manager who didnt deserve the job in the first place and has done nuthin since to justify his appointment. the loyalty card is always the last refuge of the loser. People can boo or cheer anyone they want. The JOS thing has been exagerrated. I could pick several players that played as bad if not worse than him on wed. Damien Duff and Kevin Kilbane being the most obvious. Paul Macshane and Kevin Doyle both made errors but cause they are flavour of the month nobody mentions it. Staunton is a very poor manager who is making a lot of mistakes early on in his reign. Any Ireland fan is fully justified in venting their frustration at the rubbish they have had to endure since he took over. Saying that not supporting Staunton is not supporting the team is ********. Keeping this man in a job is killing the team.

youngirish

20/11/2006, 1:16 PM

And I 'm only waiting for the chance to boo staunton
You've missed about 4 good chances already.

What's the story with all the Mattie Holland negativity? How is he a traitor?Has he recently said/done something deragory about our beloved nation's football team?

I'm now starting to feel optimisitc Staunton will get O'Shea out of the Ireland team sooner rather than later. Even he must realise by now that the lad isn't up to the task and the fans are getting restless with his inept performances and this is why he feels he has to single him out in his post match comments and justify his inclusion. He's not playing for United regularly anymore either so hopefully that's another nail in the coffin of his International career.

One positive thing I will say about Staunton (only thing) is that he's not as afraid as Kerr to drop the underperforming sh*te in the team. Kerr persisted with the same drivel over and over again without ever giving a chance to any new players (exception being A Reid). Staunton IMO had every reason to give fat Kenny the boot from the squad after his dire Irish perfomances and seems now to have kicked Andy O'Brien out of the team for the same reason. Maybe when Kenny does get back into the squad he'll give a performance more similar to his club form than the comedy of errors we've seen from him in his last 2 Ireland games.

Billsthoughts

20/11/2006, 1:23 PM

Maybe when Kenny does get back into the squad he'll give a performance more similar to his club form than the comedy of errors we've seen from him in his last 2 Ireland games.

O brien was an accident waiting to happen cause he wasnt playing regular football. He isnt a bad player otherwise and to jettison him completely would be a mistake. Kenny did let in 9 goals in 2 games which is awful so he cant have too many complaints about losing his place. however both performances were collectively awful and its doubtful whether given would have come out of either looking that much better.

eirebhoy

20/11/2006, 1:31 PM

Maybe when Kenny does get back into the squad he'll give a performance more similar to his club form than the comedy of errors we've seen from him in his last 2 Ireland games.
What errors were these? Obviously one error sticks out but what were the others?

bennocelt

21/11/2006, 8:43 AM

I don't think O'Shea is as bad as everyone is making it out, as it was said earlier in this thread he wouldn't get half as much stick if he didn't play Man United!
Stay at home if you aren't happy with him, but don't boo at matches it ruins it for the majority of fans and players :mad:

i live in the UK, and even here, any time O shea is on TV playing for Manure utd, the whole pub has a good laugh, he always manages to make himself look shi te, maybe becasue he is really shi te

as regards booing, supporters are entitled to boo any player they want, they paid good money to follow their team, the least they can expect is something resembling a half decent performance

bennocelt

21/11/2006, 8:49 AM

He has suffered because he rarely plays two games in succession in the one position and he is not, i repeat, not a midfielder. Whether it's at club level or international level, he always seems to be shunted around.

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actually i think most irish fans would rather see him in midfield, would be less of a danger than having in him defence, cause he is NOT a defender!

lopez

21/11/2006, 9:29 AM

...The JOS thing has been exagerrated. I could pick several players that played as bad if not worse than him on wed. Damien Duff and Kevin Kilbane being the most obvious. Paul Macshane and Kevin Doyle both made errors but cause they are flavour of the month nobody mentions it...
None of these players have had the run of bad matches that O'Shea has had. Wasn't this the man that Keane Senior wanted in the squad and one of the many things he fell out with McCarthy? I don't know what his performances are for ManUre as I don't watch any English football, so maybe someone can tell us if is he a. Cr*p, b. Going through a bad patch (for the last four years it has to be said with Ireland) or c. a good player who for one reason or another leaves this side of him in the dressing room when he pulls on an Ireland shirt.

As for booing your own players, oh ffs p*ss off! We all slag off the players for not trying and yet sit there in stadiums doing very little ourselves to get the players going in comparison to, say, NI fans. I've got no time for this 'I've paid my money' sh*te. Anyone feels that way, do yourselves a favour, save your money, stay at home and watch a team you can really identify with like England.:mad: Most of this character of 'supporter' (sic.) follow their clubs with abandon so the step up should be no problem whatsoever.

Billsthoughts

21/11/2006, 11:32 AM

He was ok against the Czech Republic. Unfairly taking the blame for a shot the keeper should have got to. He was poor against Cyprus as was Steve Finnan(Finnan was poorer if the truth be known) and a good few others. Before that he was played in midfield which he is totally unsuited to. I dont think he should be a deffo starter and agree he should be dropped. but the booing thing and the JOS to blame for everything that is wrong with us at the moment is a load of crap. Take JOS out of the team and the same problems will still be there.

nedder

21/11/2006, 4:05 PM

no. sounds like he thinks staunton is a **** manager who didnt deserve the job in the first place and has done nuthin since to justify his appointment. the loyalty card is always the last refuge of the loser. People can boo or cheer anyone they want. The JOS thing has been exagerrated. I could pick several players that played as bad if not worse than him on wed. Damien Duff and Kevin Kilbane being the most obvious. Paul Macshane and Kevin Doyle both made errors but cause they are flavour of the month nobody mentions it. Staunton is a very poor manager who is making a lot of mistakes early on in his reign. Any Ireland fan is fully justified in venting their frustration at the rubbish they have had to endure since he took over. Saying that not supporting Staunton is not supporting the team is ********. Keeping this man in a job is killing the team.

There is a difference between thinking Staunton is way out of his depth, and actually wishing the man to fail. I think he is a poor manager, and a poor choice, but I don't hold a grudge against the man like Den or yourself clearly do.
And people can boo all they want, doesn't mean I have to think its right.
Whats the point in abusing our own players??

Agree with you totally on O'Shea, Its the easy option to jump on the bandwagon and slag him off, but over the last two games he's not been any worse that a few others. It's like people always need a player to slag off : O'shea is only taking over from Breen,Kilbane, Doherty, Carsley ( yes, current flavour of the month), etc etc...

Billsthoughts

21/11/2006, 4:14 PM

, but I don't hold a grudge against the man like Den or yourself clearly do.

Not true.
I dont hold any grudge against staunton.
show me were I said that?
I think he has been poor so far.
People who were on here p*issin and moanin about kerr for losing to WC finalists seem to have a different set of standards now we are the whipping boys of Europe. 4-0 v holland? 5-2 v Cyprus? Its nothing personal its just not good enough.

lopez

21/11/2006, 4:39 PM

Not true.
I dont hold any grudge against staunton.
show me were I said that?
I think he has been poor so far.
People who were on here p*issin and moanin about kerr for losing to WC finalists seem to have a different set of standards now we are the whipping boys of Europe. 4-0 v holland? 5-2 v Cyprus? Its nothing personal its just not good enough.I never wanted to see Mick McCarthy go in the first place. :(

Staunton can't be blamed. I'm sure you work with people who are out of their depth. It's not their fault. It's the people that employed them. Staunton was appointed in some crazy relationship with Snowflake. Snowflake - and let's face it, he's blameless too, poor man - has been not up to the task too, as who would be with his health problems. Maybe the FAI are not only keen to show that they are not racist or sexist, but they're not ageist either. :rolleyes:

The Legend

21/11/2006, 5:28 PM

While we wonder how O'Shea continuously gets his game for Ireland, you also have to wonder why Fergie hasnt sold him off to Swansea by now!

Irish_Praha

21/11/2006, 8:17 PM

The Legend

21/11/2006, 8:38 PM

Yeah, i think he'd be ok if he took that stupid grin off his face and knuckled down for while in one position for a team. I think getting rid of the grin might be more important! :-)

Den Perry

21/11/2006, 9:38 PM

Yeah, i think he'd be ok if he took that stupid grin off his face and knuckled down for while in one position for a team. I think getting rid of the grin might be more important! :-)

I think he is actually doing nixers as bouncer on Phoenix Nights

Den Perry

21/11/2006, 9:40 PM

I have to say that people like you Den anger me.How can you say you support a team but you boo them at the same time? Thats not support, thats just being an idiot. How could booing one of the players you ''SUPPORT'' help the team in any way?!!

And could you please explain why you booed Matt Holland? I know he wasnt a great player by any means but he did put in consistently strong performances. As for your statement ''I'm just waiting for the chance to boo Staunton'' - i must say you sound like someone who knows nothing about football - you probably read the Sun every morning and take it as gospel

Don't call me an idiot ok?

Den Perry

21/11/2006, 9:43 PM

Don't call me an idiot ok?

Just because I'm not an ole ole like you that means I know nothing about football?

Do you realise how ridiculous your accusation that "people like me know nothing about football " sounds? Do you have an insight into my tactical knowledge o the game? Do you know if i ever played?do I still play? to what level?

ole ole

Collyontour

22/11/2006, 8:06 AM

What's the definition of an 'ole ole'? Maybe people should get off their high horses and stop judging other fans. Everyone's entitled to their opinions. We all support the team.

nedder

22/11/2006, 8:15 AM

We all support the team.

Colly, It's fairly clear that not everyone on this forum supports the team....

eighties mullet

22/11/2006, 10:14 AM

Well Neville needs surgery soon and could be out for a month or two. So that's probably the end of O'Shea being sold in January ...pity!
He has been very bad for Ireland recently. It would be good to see him go to half-decent team and hold down one position. Then we could tell if it's all the chopping and changing that has affected him or if he really is a poor player.

Why do people feel sorry for O'Shea, i booed him the other night i make no apologies either, he was crap again, for his first 20 caps i didnt boo him but people are booing him now cos they've just had enough, he's been consistently sh*te since his first cap to the san marino cap, it sickens me that i still have to look at him in the green.
are you listening stan? get rid

Billsthoughts

22/11/2006, 11:24 AM

Colly, It's fairly clear that not everyone on this forum supports the team....

no its not clear at all.
where is it clear? where is the example?
you seem to think that people calling a spade a spade when it comes to the irish team is somehow being disloyal. go back to watchin I'm a celebrity Ireland.....all is well.......:rolleyes:

cavan_fan

22/11/2006, 11:25 AM

I agree about dropping him, but if we do it will be a tragedy for the team. Every 3/4 years we find a couple of players who are top class prospects. O'Shea when he came on the scene was at that level. The reasons he has not come through need to be understood at the FAI and at Man U.

Much is made of Man U's youth policy and Ferguson's ability to bring young players through but in reality since the Beckham/Giggs generation they have had no succesful players come through in ten years.

At the moment I'd be happier for a young prospect (such as Stokes or McShane) to play for a club more able to develop players.

cavan_fan

22/11/2006, 11:31 AM

I agree wholeheartedly. O shrea takes far too much abuse..Although I have bbod Matt Holland ...because he is a treacherous b astard. And I 'm only waiting for the chance to boo staunton

no its not clear at all.
where is it clear? where is the example?
you seem to think that people calling a spade a spade when it comes to the irish team is somehow being disloyal. go back to watchin I'm a celebrity Ireland.....all is well.......:rolleyes:

Assuming you are only going to boo Staunton if we do badly, then you're syaing you're waiting for us to do badly so you can boo Staunton.

Although I think his appointment was the dumbest decision ever by the FAI I would love to find out he's a managerial genius in waiting. I wouldnt even object to John Delaney getting to look smug.

Billsthoughts

22/11/2006, 11:49 AM

Your making the jump there.
all he said was he is waiting on the chance to boo staunton. how is that not being a fan of the team?

lopez

22/11/2006, 12:13 PM

Your making the jump there.
all he said was he is waiting on the chance to boo staunton. how is that not being a fan of the team?By fan you mean supporter?

Well the clue is in the word 'supporter': Someone who 'supports' the team. Booing players and managers is not 'supporting.'

eirebhoy

22/11/2006, 12:16 PM

Den Perry - Why make a post and then quote that post 3 minutes later? Try to keep all your points in the one post.

nedder

22/11/2006, 12:44 PM

Your making the jump there.
all he said was he is waiting on the chance to boo staunton. how is that not being a fan of the team?

Not much of a jump there Bill in fairness, He's more or less wishing the manager ( and the team by association) to fail.

Billsthoughts

22/11/2006, 12:49 PM

Not much of a jump there Bill in fairness, He's more or less wishing the manager ( and the team by association) to fail.

The manager has failed. we are out of the european cup with four games played. if we can assume on his behalf he is wishing anything its that we get rid of this **** manager.

lionelhutz

22/11/2006, 1:30 PM

Just because I'm not an ole ole like you that means I know nothing about football?

Do you realise how ridiculous your accusation that "people like me know nothing about football " sounds? Do you have an insight into my tactical knowledge o the game? Do you know if i ever played?do I still play? to what level?

ole ole

Just reading your posts on this site makes me realise your utter lack of knowledge in football terms

Billsthoughts

22/11/2006, 3:53 PM

Stop trolling.

Den Perry

22/11/2006, 10:03 PM

Den Perry - Why make a post and then quote that post 3 minutes later? Try to keep all your points in the one post.

I actually meant to qoute something else and clicked on wrong post sorry

Just reading your posts on this site makes me realise your utter lack of knowledge in football terms

that is utter rubbish.....you just can't back up your argument.just because you disagree with my view you state that i know nothing about football...SAD

Colly, It's fairly clear that not everyone on this forum supports the team....

So how does one vent their frustration and show their dissatisfaction? write a letter to Staunton?

So are you telling me that a lot of guys on this site did not boo when we were one nil down at Landsowne to liechenstein? the whole bloody place booed....and if you want I will call myself a "follower" of the team rather than a "supporter" thus there shall be no contradictions when i boo or criticise

By fan you mean supporter?

Well the clue is in the word 'supporter': Someone who 'supports' the team. Booing players and managers is not 'supporting.'

ok i'll call myself a "follower" of the team

Supporting the team means i want the team to do as well as possible, with that idiot in charge that obviosly has not happened so far and will not happen. Therefore by booing staunton and making my feelings known, this will eventually lead to the removal of him from his position(when everybody else joins in....which wont be long).Thus, i shall have done my bit for the benefit of Irish football!

to sum up, i dont see why i, who loves football at all levels should have to shut my mouth when i am not satisfied