LOI in Europe 2022

[joey B]

“Shamrock Rovers represent unpleasant, British style, physical football" says Ferencváros‘a sporting director!!!

https://mobile.twitter.com/ulloi129/status/1559465216492068864

[Nesta99]

London, NW6. The Corrib Rest used to be yards from my home but it's closed a few years now.

We are bound to have crossed paths then, cousin worked behind the bar pre pandemic years and had a few gatherings for Dundalk games too. An excuse to head in to Covent Garden and Philomena's for ye - there was a bit of a cult following of Dundalk FC there with some locals but not been there in ages, Ive a picture somewhere of one of the large TV's with unmissable sign saying 'Dundalk FC game being shown on this TV'.... some Cork fans landed in to watch the game also and werent too pleased at all and complained to the bar staff, was in Turners Cross too:D

[paul_oshea]

I probably know your cousin Nesta ;)

[EatYerGreens]

“Shamrock Rovers represent unpleasant, British style, physical football" says Ferencváros‘a sporting director!!!

https://mobile.twitter.com/ulloi129/status/1559465216492068864

Top trolling on multiple levels :D

[sbgawa]

“Shamrock Rovers represent unpleasant, British style, physical football" says Ferencváros‘a sporting director!!!

https://mobile.twitter.com/ulloi129/status/1559465216492068864


Our team will respond like lions to this provocation

[pateen]

London, NW6. The Corrib Rest used to be yards from my home but it's closed a few years now.

Should be a good few choices over that neck of the woods. A phone call to McGlyns, Maggies, the lucky 7 etc and they should be able to reserve a TV for you

[Nesta99]

I probably know your cousin Nesta ;)

He moved to the Claddagh Ring in Hendon, though not sure if he is still there. Was in TW1 myself so used to meet up for LoI games Ealing or Hammersmith way too.

[Nesta99]

Our team will respond like lions to this provocation

Maybe they just saw the Gaffney highlight reel....their sporting director has just given away their big secret, fall over whenever near the unpleasant british like footballers (do these people not watch Man City/Liverpool/ Chelsea, and get over that stereotype - hardly kick you in the face types).

[Shinkicker]

Our team will respond like lions to this provocation
I always knew there was something odd about rovers. Now I know......yer Brits. HA HA

[yurt]

Objectively speaking from an LOI perspective would it be a good thing for Rangers to qualify from the group stages? I would think so.

Scotland being a top 8 league and consistently having UCL money coming into their league means that in turn it could end up here via transfer fees in a trickle down affect.

Obviously the impact would be fairly negligible in the short term. But basically a strong English and Scottish leagues could help us improve assuming that we can sort out the issues in terms of contract release clauses.

[EatYerGreens]

Objectively speaking from an LOI perspective would it be a good thing for Rangers to qualify from the group stages? I would think so.

Scotland being a top 8 league and consistently having UCL money coming into their league means that in turn it could end up here via transfer fees in a trickle down affect.

Obviously the impact would be fairly negligible in the short term. But basically a strong English and Scottish leagues could help us improve assuming that we can sort out the issues in terms of contract release clauses.

I think that's a pretty weak argument to be honest.

The smaller the gap between British and Irish football the better IMO. As whetrhr we like it to not, it's the yardstick by which we inevitably get measured. So there is no genuine benefit to us in our neighbours to the East being much better.

[EatYerGreens]

Our team will respond like lions to this provocation

Like Three Lions, perhaps ?

[ger121]

“Shamrock Rovers represent unpleasant, British style, physical football" says Ferencváros‘a sporting director!!!

https://mobile.twitter.com/ulloi129/status/1559465216492068864

I suppose it is an improvement on being called evil, in the last round. God knows what they’ll be accused of in the Group Stages.

[paul_oshea]

He moved to the Claddagh Ring in Hendon, though not sure if he is still there. Was in Tl.

Ya that's what i thought.

[culloty82]

Interesting looking at Bødo-Glimt's stadium tonight, has a capacity of 8,250 and now meets UEFA category 4 standards thanks to a new 2,000-seater stand after receiving a derogation for last year's campaign - you've guessed it, a mixture of investment between the club and the municipal council!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspmyra_Stadion

[paul_oshea]

Good article today about that exact thing by cummiskey in the Irish times. Even pointing to ludogorets about capacity not being the main thing https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/soccer/2022/08/15/the-time-for-talking-is-over-irelands-football-facilities-need-to-come-out-of-the-dark-ages/

Sidenote the watt has his fingers in many pies. Will he bridge the gap between health and government. Could be a good soccer/sport story to come out of that

[legendz]

Are Rovers better off in the Conference League? 3rd in the Europa group stage will take on second in the Conference group stage in the playoff before the round of 16.

[pineapple stu]

Are you trying to work out which group will be easier to qualify from?

I don't think it's pessimistic to suggest that's getting way ahead of yourself

[brendy_éire]

Are you trying to work out which group will be easier to qualify from?

I don't think it's pessimistic to suggest that's getting way ahead of yourself

Or in terms of picking up a few points?

Hard one to call. There's a bit more cash on offer in the EL, but being realistic, you would expect to lose every game.
The ECL would more likely have a team in the group you could expect to take points off. Still not enough to qualify out of the group, mind.

By way of comparison, Ludogorets got two points in last year's EL group stage. The lowest third placed team had six points.

[joey B]

We’re running out of winnable games and with Rovers and Pats away after this I suppose we have to look at tomorrows game as one,can’t see us get anything though,we’re just not good enough….

*edit ,I’ve posted this in the wrong thread,could somebody move it?

[EatYerGreens]

We’re running out of winnable games and with Rovers and Pats away after this I suppose we have to look at tomorrows game as one,can’t see us get anything though,we’re just not good enough….

There's obviously never a good time for a team to be performing badly. But with the fundraiser for the stadium, Harps could obviously have really done with a better vibe/results around the place

[paul_oshea]

Or in terms of picking up a few points?

Hard one to call. There's a bit more cash on offer in the EL, but being realistic, you would expect to lose every game.
The ECL would more likely have a team in the group you could expect to take points off. Still not enough to qualify out of the group, mind.

By way of comparison, Ludogorets got two points in last year's EL group stage. The lowest third placed team had six points.

wouldnt a laddered affect be better? Build on something, get the experience and learn from it and use it for the following year. Steady increments. Building up co-effs.

I don't think theres any point any Irish team going into a group where the goal or aim is to limit the number of goals scored against them, which is what the EL would realistically be.

[pateen]

Are you trying to work out which group will be easier to qualify from?

I don't think it's pessimistic to suggest that's getting way ahead of yourself

I'm asking the same question, in terms of winable games and prize money?

[pineapple stu]

I'm asking the same question, in terms of winable games and prize money?
That's certainly a more reasonable question.

I can't find this year's prize money online for some reason; maybe someone else can?

Last year (when the ECL was also about), EL group stage qualification was €3.63m, and each point was €210k (here (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_Europa_League#Prize_money)). The Conference League seems to be €2.94m for the group stages, and €167k per point (here (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_Europa_Conference_League#Prize_money)).

So let's say they get to EL groups and get one point - that's €3.84m. Five points in the ECL is worth €3.77m - so you'd be looking at 5/6 ECL points as being equal to 1 EL point, purely in terms of prize money. And ignoring extra gate receipts which you might get in the EL from presumably higher-profile opponents.

[brendy_éire]

wouldnt a laddered affect be better? Build on something, get the experience and learn from it and use it for the following year. Steady increments. Building up co-effs.

I don't think theres any point any Irish team going into a group where the goal or aim is to limit the number of goals scored against them, which is what the EL would realistically be.

Wouldn't be great, I agree. Though to extend that argument, are Rovers best ensuring that they lose tonight? Very much head over heart stuff, if so.

[sbgawa]

That's certainly a more reasonable question.

I can't find this year's prize money online for some reason; maybe someone else can?

Last year (when the ECL was also about), EL group stage qualification was €3.63m, and each point was €210k (here (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_Europa_League#Prize_money)). The Conference League seems to be €2.94m for the group stages, and €167k per point (here (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_Europa_Conference_League#Prize_money)).

So let's say they get to EL groups and get one point - that's €3.84m. Five points in the ECL is worth €3.77m - so you'd be looking at 5/6 ECL points as being equal to 1 EL point, purely in terms of prize money. And ignoring extra gate receipts which you might get in the EL from presumably higher-profile opponents.

The other reason why conference league could be better result is two wins and a draw in Conference league would equate to 5 extra coefficient points for Rovers giving us a club coefficient next year of 14 which would almost be enough to be seeded in the second round Champions league next year. (assuming you won the first round).

On balance i think other than the potential for a money spinning game against Man Utd or Arsenal (1 in 4 chance) in EL or West ham 1 in 8 chance in Conference which could be worth a chunk of change while having the revolting sight of Irish people coming to cheer against an Irish team the Conference is better for Rovers.

I'm never going to be able to wish Rovers lose so im basically ambivalent tonight

[sbgawa]

Team announced 5:30 pm kick off
Manus
Lyons, Grace, Cleary, Hoare, Gannon.
Kavanagh, o Neill, Watts
Gaffney, Greene

The bench shows our problem over the next 11 weeks...
8 players with only Byrne (injured) and Towell and Farrugia that could be called senior Pros.
Would love to see Michael Leddy come on, been watching him since under 13s for Rovers, i could be wrong but i think he has been top scorer at every age group for us since then...think he's 17 now. Time for some of the kids to show what they can do maybe

[paul_oshea]

Wouldn't be great, I agree. Though to extend that argument, are Rovers best ensuring that they lose tonight? Very much head over heart stuff, if so.

Maybe not tonight, but I think so overall, but if they beat them over the two legs then they'll have justified their place.

[paul_oshea]

That's certainly a more reasonable question.

I can't find this year's prize money online for some reason; maybe someone else can?

Last year (when the ECL was also about), EL group stage qualification was €3.63m, and each point was €210k (here (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_Europa_League#Prize_money)). The Conference League seems to be €2.94m for the group stages, and €167k per point (here (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_Europa_Conference_League#Prize_money)).

So let's say they get to EL groups and get one point - that's €3.84m. Five points in the ECL is worth €3.77m - so you'd be looking at 5/6 ECL points as being equal to 1 EL point, purely in terms of prize money. And ignoring extra gate receipts which you might get in the EL from presumably higher-profile opponents.

So what youre saying is, if you get to the group stage and you dont win a game it actually costs you money. And each game effectively costing you a lot of money.

[paul_oshea]

On balance i think other than the potential for a money spinning game against Man Utd or Arsenal (1 in 4 chance) in EL or West ham 1 in 8 chance in Conference which could be worth a chunk of change while having the revolting sight of Irish people coming to cheer against an Irish team the Conference is better for Rovers.


I really dont think West Ham would be a big draw, and moving it to the aviva wouldnt really make much sense to get well beaten and only a few thousand more.

[pineapple stu]

So what youre saying is, if you get to the group stage and you dont win a game it actually costs you money. And each game effectively costing you a lot of money.

No? If you get to the EL groups and lose all your games, that's still better than getting four points in the ECL, which is far from a gimme, even if Rovers are third seeds.

It's effectively win-win for Rovers at this stage.


The bench shows our problem over the next 11 weeks...
8 players with only Byrne (injured) and Towell and Farrugia that could be called senior Pros.

Any sign of Simon Power as yet?

[yurt]

I really dont think West Ham would be a big draw, and moving it to the aviva wouldnt really make much sense to get well beaten and only a few thousand more.

I think the West Ham fans alone would come close to selling out the Aviva (minor hyperbole). An away European tie in Dublin is something I'd imagine would be appealing to 10s of 1000s of Londoners.

If Rovers do make the EL I would see each of their 3 group games getting 30k+. I think they'd be similar events in terms of profile to the cup final .

[paul_oshea]

Nice to see an Irish team playing a game that has a feel to it like a big European Wednesday or Thursday night game.

[paul_oshea]

No? If you get to the EL groups and lose all your games, that's still better than getting four points in the ECL, which is far from a gimme, even if Rovers are third seeds.

It's effectively win-win for Rovers at this stage.


Any sign of Simon Power as yet?

No that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying the costs of going to each venue and playing is costing them money

[paul_oshea]

I think the West Ham fans alone would come close to selling out the Aviva (minor hyperbole). An away European tie in Dublin is something I'd imagine would be appealing to 10s of 1000s of Londoners.

If Rovers do make the EL I would see each of their 3 group games getting 30k+. I think they'd be similar events in terms of profile to the cup final .

Ya hadn't factored in more than 5k west ham fans. You might be right but spurs brought few over that time back. They hadn't much interest.

30k to me seems like an awful lot for EcL games

[pineapple stu]

No that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying the costs of going to each venue and playing is costing them money


I'm confused. Matchday costs are always a thing. You get three mill or so up front to play those games. How is that losing money?

[paul_oshea]

Mannus should be stopping that

[Philosophizer]

Mannus should be stopping that
Don't think you can blame that one on Mannus. Rovers have been under the cosh for a while. Just not able to deal with the quality of the opposition and panicking and giving away possession when they do get it. Kavanagh guilty of giving it away very poorly early on.

[paul_oshea]

Ya looking at it again it's at that awkward height just the bit a keepers not covering

[Kiki Balboa]

Rovers are not up to this standard so far.

[Philosophizer]

Hoare having a few of his usual european brainfart moments and kicking it straight to opposition.

[passinginterest]

Rovers settled a bit after conceding. They’ll be disappointed with the start but keep it solid now after the water break and stay in the game. They’ve won a few dangerous frees and made it into the box a couple of times so there’s some promise there.

[D24Saint]

Rovers are not up to this standard so far.

Ferencváros just seem at a different level so far. The best Rovers can hope for is to keep the score down and move on to the conference group stages.

[pateen]

Rovers are capable of a goal though

[pineapple stu]

Rovers are capable of a goal though
So are Ferencvaros, it seems...

2-0 now

[joey B]

2 and it could be worse,different level these….

[passinginterest]

Watts is really struggling. Getting bullied too often and losing the ball too easily. There’s a danger of it getting messy with the second now.

Missing your core spine is always going to be difficult. Lopes, McCann, Byrne and Burke are arguably Rovers best players.

[sbgawa]

Game over. I get my wish and we play in conference league groups ;)

[Philosophizer]

This could be a cricket score. Could easy be 4 already.
Most Rovers players are actually doing ok but a few are very poor - Hoare, Kavanagh, Watts, Greene.
It was gonna be a tough task with a full team but missing 6 they're really struggling.

[Nah Nah Nah Nah]

That would have been some goal