2018 Transfers

[RathfarnhamHoop]

Heard from a Hoop that he is one of a big clear out of players in Tallaght.The soft loan/Roadstone investor has also called in repayment of that money earlier than planned so presumably cutting the wage bill.Shels could pick up s few of those players?

There's some amount of ****e posted on here but my god that's up there with the worst of it

[sbgawa]

So Luke Byrne and others haven't been released?.
The loan hasnt been repaid?

Lol.....lol ...lol players are released and new ones signed every year, and the loan isn't due for payment for 7 or 8 years.
The thoughts of a strong ucd Derry and pats plus Sligo improving must have you worried if your posting this nonsense.

[Shearer]

Gary Shaw gone too

[Dalymountrower]

Gary Shaw gone too
Sam Bone too?

[Weatherman]

Surely Rovers will have Sean Kavanagh and Trevor Clarke battle it out for LB nxt season so no point hanging onto Luke Byrne really regardless of injuries

[Nesta99]

We have yet to hear about the annual approach for Dane Massey among many others of the Dundalk squad that are going to be made the top paid players in the league. I dont get the defensiveness of the possible repayment of the laon though, if it was possbible to repay early, ending a chunk of debt and assuring full supporter pwnership remains well why the scoffing? Even if it did mean cutting some deadwood from the squad to help that happen.

[sbgawa]

Who is being defensive? It's a ten year interest free loan to allow the club continue to invest in the academy, why would the club pay it back early. I expect the usual 4 or so out mostly the guys who haven't played much. Probably sign for other Dublin clubs as usual. We need a striker id gladly drop 4 or 5 players and put it all into a top striker.

[RathfarnhamHoop]

We have yet to hear about the annual approach for Dane Massey among many others of the Dundalk squad that are going to be made the top paid players in the league. I dont get the defensiveness of the possible repayment of the laon though, if it was possbible to repay early, ending a chunk of debt and assuring full supporter pwnership remains well why the scoffing? Even if it did mean cutting some deadwood from the squad to help that happen.

Point is the loan legally can't be called in early, it was specifically set up that way and that's why it was accepted. It's not being defensive to point out obvious bull**** when you see it.

[Asterix]

A few weeks ago we were trying to make Duffy the highest paid player in the league, now we're reducing our budget. Make up your mind lads.
Every Rovers fan knew Byrne Shaw and McAlister wouldn't be given new contracts Miele probably wont be either. Why would the club keep players that aren't wanted/needed?

[Ezeikial]

Miele probably wont be either.

A smashing talented player who rarely reached his potential since signing his last contract.

[sbgawa]

Had a few injuries and niggles stopped him getting a run of games. Lots of talent , frustrating guy

[Nesta99]

A few weeks ago we were trying to make Duffy the highest paid player in the league, now we're reducing our budget. Make up your mind lads.
Every Rovers fan knew Byrne Shaw and McAlister wouldn't be given new contracts Miele probably wont be either. Why would the club keep players that aren't wanted/needed?

I didnt give the Duffy talk any airtime at the time and I mentioned about cutting deadwood from the squad not cutting the player budget. Laughing at a post and calling things bs is defensive in nature even if it is bs and deserves such scorn. If the means exists to pay back the loan early without affecting development at Roadstone and that isnt possible thats a little concerning. What if the year the loan matures happens to be a particularly poor one yet there was ample opppertunity to eliminate that debt during the ten years previous? I wil accept that the chances of that perfect storm happening are slim but it still has an element that the investor is in a win win and that his preffered outcome would be to have half ownership of the club than the loan repayed. That would be a common sense thing where with limited risk on a loan there is the chance of picking up 50% equity in the club and by extension 50% of any monies that the original loan generates via youth player sales in due course.

[Ezeikial]

Every Rovers fan knew Byrne Shaw and McAlister wouldn't be given new contracts Miele probably wont be either. Why would the club keep players that aren't wanted/needed?

I have always thought it remarkable how Rovers manage to keep every Hoops fan fully informed.

Do you think that Miele will be upset about the doubts around a new contract considered that he still has another year to run on his current one?

[Philosophizer]

why would the club pay it back early.

It makes sense to clear your debts if you have the money available.
I assumed that with the cash from the Burke and Bazunu sales you'd be paying back a portion of the loan. Is that not happening at all?

[Jack B]

Miele looked brilliant when he first signed for Rovers, like he'd be the next of an increasingly long line of players that find their feet after coming back and quickly play themselves into moving away again. Seems strange that he trailed off quite quickly from there.

Wouldn't if mind if we took a chance on him all the same, can't be any worse than Dean Clarke who I'd like to think at the very least won't be starting for us next season even if he gets another deal. Outside of Markey we don't really have a natural 10 either so there's the possibility he could play his way in there too. I'd rather him over McCabe anyway, who a few Pats fans are debating on whether would be worth taking a punt on or not.

[Asterix]

I have always thought it remarkable how Rovers manage to keep every Hoops fan fully informed.

Do you think that Miele will be upset about the doubts around a new contract considered that he still has another year to run on his current one?


Sorry, you are right. He has another year. Your obsession with Rovers is paying off.

[Ezeikial]

Sorry, you are right. He has another year. Your obsession with Rovers is paying off.


No need to apologise.

But you are right that Bradley is trying to off-load Miele. He also punted him around in the July window.

[sbgawa]

Talk of more facilities being built in roadstone, I'd rather the club keep investing there, the long term good is always for the best.

[RathfarnhamHoop]

I didnt give the Duffy talk any airtime at the time and I mentioned about cutting deadwood from the squad not cutting the player budget. Laughing at a post and calling things bs is defensive in nature even if it is bs and deserves such scorn. If the means exists to pay back the loan early without affecting development at Roadstone and that isnt possible thats a little concerning. What if the year the loan matures happens to be a particularly poor one yet there was ample opppertunity to eliminate that debt during the ten years previous? I wil accept that the chances of that perfect storm happening are slim but it still has an element that the investor is in a win win and that his preffered outcome would be to have half ownership of the club than the loan repayed. That would be a common sense thing where with limited risk on a loan there is the chance of picking up 50% equity in the club and by extension 50% of any monies that the original loan generates via youth player sales in due course.

So laughing as something you know is wrong and pointing out just how wrong it is is defensive? As opposed to what? Letting everyone think its true? The loan isn't being paid off in one big chuck it is/will be a gradual process then if in the last year a perfect storm happens and we can't pay the last chuck a millionaire life long fan owns a minority share of the club, hardly a catastrophic thing to happen, not completely ideal but not too bad.


I have always thought it remarkable how Rovers manage to keep every Hoops fan fully informed.

Tends to happen when your fan owned and just had the annual meeting a few months ago.


Talk of more facilities being built in roadstone, I'd rather the club keep investing there, the long term good is always for the best.

There's plans drawn up for extensions to the building for permanent changing rooms, physio, etc, just a case of getting funding and sorting leases I'd guess

[mcgonigle]

Tends to happen when your fan owned and just had the annual meeting a few months ago.

So they discuss players who are being let go or who they'd like to get rid of at the AGM?

[RathfarnhamHoop]

So they discuss players who are being let go or who they'd like to get rid of at the AGM?

Probably not but you've got everyone involved in running the club in one room for a few hours so word is bound to spread about things like that

[Kingswood Rover]

Luke Byrne leaves Shamrock Rovers.
Had to happen, lovely chap by all accounts but bar the 1st Season he was not at the races. All the best Luke,

[Kingswood Rover]

Jeez 4 months of this tripe;) lovely jubbly

[shep]

In fairness it’s a refreshing break from the Dundalk/Cork stuff

[Ezeikial]

Probably not but you've got everyone involved in running the club in one room for a few hours so word is bound to spread about things like that

Any word on how the Rovers transfer delegation got on with meeting McEneff?


Shamrock Rovers step up Aaron McEneff pursuit but face stiff competition from English clubs



https://www.irishmirror.ie/sport/soccer/soccer-news/shamrocvk-rovers-step-up-aaron-13481765

[sbgawa]

I'm not interested until I hear the words centre forward , everything else is meh

[Charlie Darwin]

I'm not interested until I hear the words centre forward , everything else is meh
Centre forward.

[Nesta99]

So laughing as something you know is wrong and pointing out just how wrong it is is defensive? As opposed to what? Letting everyone think its true? The loan isn't being paid off in one big chuck it is/will be a gradual process then if in the last year a perfect storm happens and we can't pay the last chuck a millionaire life long fan owns a minority share of the club, hardly a catastrophic thing to happen, not completely ideal but not too bad.

That's fair enough, I took the manner in which the 'rumours' were knocked on the head to have sounded defensive rather than with contempt. If the loan is paid off gradually again that makes more sense than it cant be paid off early as additional funds become available. It is a lesson well learned in LoI that ye make hay when the sun shines and if a 1-1.5 million loan is on the club books and 2 players are sold in one season that could reap the guts of 1mil then it would be prudent imo to get ahead with repayments. My general tone of mistrust in investor/director like loans tend to have a knack of taking a pound of flesh with them, fans or not. In the past at Dundalk, and a contribution to how Oriel Park has stood still in the main for decades is that directors who helped bankroll the club then were quick to call in their financial assistance whenever the club did get a payday (Im thinking more 80s and 90s here). One big exception was Mr Nobby Quinn as the co-op was formed; as soon as his directors loan was offered to be paid back he resused and loan became benefacted money. Others were not so generous and gained more than they gave one way or another. There is no absolute trust with the current owners (yet) for me. Kelleher at St Pats I still think he hopes to recoup his investment if he can get Pats out of Richmond and build on it. So its not just an obsession with Rovers affairs that has me ask questions and consider what the angles are.

It's a tad blazé to have the attitude that if a loan isnt paid back then its not big deal as its only a minority share thats lost by supporters - that minority is 49%. I did misunderstand the system that would be involved where the 50% (or 51%) fan ownership would vote and decisions made as one rather than the traditional ways of shareholdings and I believed that any dissension by even 1 or 2% of the members shareholders would mean that the private 49% can call the shots including a hostile purchase of a majority shareholding. I still wouldnt like the fan owned model diluted and especially as the terms of the loan barred the club from clearing debt early if they were able to do so. If an interest free loan became available to Dundalk repayed over 10 years I would take it if it bult a new stand!! I wouldnt be worrying about it too much now myself but by 2027 we'd probably be gritting teeth at that significant debt outstanding.

I dont know why showing and interest in the affairs of other league clubs always gets labled as 'obsession'! Surely its par for the course, including the wind ups and trolling. It just happens that you have the likes of Stephen Bradley walk himself in to things like cup final comments that backfire and opposition fans pounce. Its nothing new that fans will claim to have great inside knowledge of other club workings, what players are paid and what budgets are. Its why we roll out us all having the 4th highest budget in the league. We also have the experience on foot.ie of blind foolishness ala supergretna in not seeing the wood for the trees at their clubs so skepticism is always in the back of the mind as i'm sure it is among LoI supporters on the Dundalk ownership. There will always be a double standard with football fans!!

[Charlie Darwin]

That's fair enough, I took the manner in which the 'rumours' were knocked on the head to have sounded defensive rather than with contempt. If the loan is paid off gradually again that makes more sense than it cant be paid off early as additional funds become available.
Well even if it can be paid off sooner, if you have an interest-free loan you're better off putting your money in the bank and paying it off on schedule. There's no benefit to getting ahead of an interest-free loan. Whether the money stays in the bank given what we know about LOI clubs is the question...

[marinobohs]

Bohs for all the hype also finished a place lower this season than last, they'll have to arrest this downward trajectory to prevent themselves from being First Division bound...

Concentrating on the Cup, sure in one away game we had to play the U19 team 😎

[marinobohs]

Had to happen, lovely chap by all accounts but bar the 1st Season he was not at the races. All the best Luke,

But...but he is one of the three best left fulls in the Premier division according to some on here 😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎

[Ezeikial]

But...but he is one of the three best left fulls in the Premier division according to some on here 😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎


Obviously some couldn't make it to the agm

[marinobohs]

If you can genuinely say that Sean Kavanagh, Luke Byrne and Trevor Clarke aren't 3 of the best in the league you're either thick or deluded.

Now I know certain people here will need this spelling out for them so I think I'll get out in front of it. 3 of the best not the 3 best, there's a difference.

ahem...... Just leave this here 🙄

1 of "3 of the best in the League" to surplus to requirements in a week. Makes you wonder who is "thick and deluded" 😎

[RathfarnhamHoop]

If you can genuinely say that Sean Kavanagh, Luke Byrne and Trevor Clarke aren't 3 of the best in the league you're either thick or deluded.

Now I know certain people here will need this spelling out for them so I think I'll get out in front of it. 3 of the best not the 3 best, there's a difference.


But...but he is one of the three best left fulls in the Premier division according to some on here 

To borrow your line,

ahem...... Just leave this here 


1 of "3 of the best in the League" to surplus to requirements in a week. Makes you wonder who is "thick and deluded" 

Nope, you've just answered that question pretty effectively all by yourself thanks

[RathfarnhamHoop]

That's fair enough, I took the manner in which the 'rumours' were knocked on the head to have sounded defensive rather than with contempt. If the loan is paid off gradually again that makes more sense than it cant be paid off early as additional funds become available. It is a lesson well learned in LoI that ye make hay when the sun shines and if a 1-1.5 million loan is on the club books and 2 players are sold in one season that could reap the guts of 1mil then it would be prudent imo to get ahead with repayments. My general tone of mistrust in investor/director like loans tend to have a knack of taking a pound of flesh with them, fans or not. In the past at Dundalk, and a contribution to how Oriel Park has stood still in the main for decades is that directors who helped bankroll the club then were quick to call in their financial assistance whenever the club did get a payday (Im thinking more 80s and 90s here). One big exception was Mr Nobby Quinn as the co-op was formed; as soon as his directors loan was offered to be paid back he resused and loan became benefacted money. Others were not so generous and gained more than they gave one way or another. There is no absolute trust with the current owners (yet) for me. Kelleher at St Pats I still think he hopes to recoup his investment if he can get Pats out of Richmond and build on it. So its not just an obsession with Rovers affairs that has me ask questions and consider what the angles are.

It's a tad blazé to have the attitude that if a loan isnt paid back then its not big deal as its only a minority share thats lost by supporters - that minority is 49%. I did misunderstand the system that would be involved where the 50% (or 51%) fan ownership would vote and decisions made as one rather than the traditional ways of shareholdings and I believed that any dissension by even 1 or 2% of the members shareholders would mean that the private 49% can call the shots including a hostile purchase of a majority shareholding. I still wouldnt like the fan owned model diluted and especially as the terms of the loan barred the club from clearing debt early if they were able to do so. If an interest free loan became available to Dundalk repayed over 10 years I would take it if it bult a new stand!! I wouldnt be worrying about it too much now myself but by 2027 we'd probably be gritting teeth at that significant debt outstanding.

I dont know why showing and interest in the affairs of other league clubs always gets labled as 'obsession'! Surely its par for the course, including the wind ups and trolling. It just happens that you have the likes of Stephen Bradley walk himself in to things like cup final comments that backfire and opposition fans pounce. Its nothing new that fans will claim to have great inside knowledge of other club workings, what players are paid and what budgets are. Its why we roll out us all having the 4th highest budget in the league. We also have the experience on foot.ie of blind foolishness ala supergretna in not seeing the wood for the trees at their clubs so skepticism is always in the back of the mind as i'm sure it is among LoI supporters on the Dundalk ownership. There will always be a double standard with football fans!!

I would share your mistrust if Ray didn't have history with the club of doing similar deals so on the basis of that I'm happy enough to trust him.
Just a small thing re his minority share, as the loan is paid back his share is diluted too so the most his share can be is 50% if none of it is paid off then it gets smaller and smaller as payments are made.
As for the repaying it as soon as possible, due to it being interest free there's two trains of thought, pay it off asap or in regular amounts and put the rest away in investments or bank it and get interest, probably very little but every little helps, so that its there so you can avoid taking out a loan with interest and earning something.

Taking an interest in other clubs affairs is normal and for the most part not obsession. For a few people on here though, mainly those of a black and red or lillywhite variety, it is very much an obsession.

[Nesta99]

Ah come on RH, you cant point the finger at others' posts when you have inadvertantly contradicted yourself. You didnt see Luke Byrne being released until he was, and you tagged him as one of the best left backs in the league which you would probably refrained from doing if you knew he was leaving. You'd have at least said that some club is getting one of the leagues top left back on his day when he is released, he needs a fresh start elsewhere.....or something like that.

[Charlie Darwin]

Jesus lads, this is tiresome.

[RathfarnhamHoop]

Ah come on RH, you cant point the finger at others' posts when you have inadvertantly contradicted yourself. You didnt see Luke Byrne being released until he was, and you tagged him as one of the best left backs in the league which you would probably refrained from doing if you knew he was leaving. You'd have at least said that some club is getting one of the leagues top left back on his day when he is released, he needs a fresh start elsewhere.....or something like that.

And I still think he's a brilliant player but at the end of the day if the 2 lads stay relatively fit he won't get the game time he needs/deserves. I still think he's one of the best in the league and would have loved to keep him but the other two have it in versatility and slightly in quality so I can see why he was let go. I'm very happy to stand by my statement that he's one of the best around and any team in the league would be lucky to have him, just as I said it's an area of significant strength at Rovers just now.

[Nesta99]

I would share your mistrust if Ray didn't have history with the club of doing similar deals so on the basis of that I'm happy enough to trust him.
Just a small thing re his minority share, as the loan is paid back his share is diluted too so the most his share can be is 50% if none of it is paid off then it gets smaller and smaller as payments are made.
As for the repaying it as soon as possible, due to it being interest free there's two trains of thought, pay it off asap or in regular amounts and put the rest away in investments or bank it and get interest, probably very little but every little helps, so that its there so you can avoid taking out a loan with interest and earning something.

Taking an interest in other clubs affairs is normal and for the most part not obsession. For a few people on here though, mainly those of a black and red or lillywhite variety, it is very much an obsession.

All makes sense but it was said prior that the loan wouldnt/couldnt be paid off untill its due to be called in. The ability to pay that on a due date very much depended on the success of the how the loan was used and the discipline of not dipping in to the return on that in advance, if needed, of the day it needs repayment. Gradual repayment and relative reduction on the option on equity in the club sounds much more plausible!

So derby rivals in particular take a deeper interest in your club and you find that strange or obsessive? When Bohs were the Dublin side winning leagues there were a few Rovers fans 'obsessing' on here - you do remember mypost dont you? They were quite wide of the mark initially of the mess Bohs were getting themselves in to as fact was stranger than fiction in the end. If a club projects itself as a beacon for all clubs, the leader in new initiatives that are not rocket science albeit not necessarily done by other clubs here, when a manager is condescending to a rival and other clubs at times too, when memories are short and not recalling how blessed Rovers are to have Tallaght Stadium considering the mess the club made of that project while now often looking down the noses at other clubs well its gonna happen that your club will come in for some special attention from some. Id see it as a bit of a back handed compliment tbh especially for the leagues cup specialists with an almost like St Pats like aversion to winning the thing:p

[Nesta99]

Jesus lads, this is tiresome.

Go have a lie down then!

[Nesta99]

And I still think he's a brilliant player but at the end of the day if the 2 lads stay relatively fit he won't get the game time he needs/deserves. I still think he's one of the best in the league and would have loved to keep him but the other two have it in versatility and slightly in quality so I can see why he was let go. I'm very happy to stand by my statement that he's one of the best around and any team in the league would be lucky to have him, just as I said it's an area of significant strength at Rovers just now.

Thats more like it! Rather than just calling someone thick for pointing out the holes in previous posts!

[RathfarnhamHoop]

Thats more like it! Rather than just calling someone thick for pointing out the holes in previous posts!

What holes? marino literally did exactly what I said people would do to try and pick a hole in it and so had got out ahead of. Even quoted it in their post, not the smartest thing I've seen on here now.

[marinobohs]

To borrow your line,





Nope, you've just answered that question pretty effectively all by yourself thanks

Oh dear god, you do know my “quote” was taking the **** out of you don’t you ? It was AFTER your “3 of the best” classic 😷

......still think Luke Byrne is among the best defenders in Premier 😂 go on, give us ANOTHER laugh

[placid casual]

You'll be able to judge for yourself when he turns up at dalydump next season.

[marinobohs]

You'll be able to judge for yourself when he turns up at dalydump next season.

He can only improve after Bradley sabotaging his career ;) besides, why would we want him we have Leahy, a far better alternative (that's the reason shams offered him a two year contract).

[sbgawa]

Lads , Luke Byrne seems like a nice kid who has had a terrible run with injuries needs game time and is unlikely to get it with Kavanagh and Clarke ahead of him in the pecking order. He helped out with the underage while he was off injured and kept it up when he got back. Rather than having a pop a him maybe wish him the best and hope he signs with someone and gets his career on track i know that is what i hope and don't particularly care if its Shels Bohs or Pats or somewhere else, he needs a break and a bit of luck.

[marinobohs]

Lads , Luke Byrne seems like a nice kid who has had a terrible run with injuries needs game time and is unlikely to get it with Kavanagh and Clarke ahead of him in the pecking order. He helped out with the underage while he was off injured and kept it up when he got back. Rather than having a pop a him maybe wish him the best and hope he signs with someone and gets his career on track i know that is what i hope and don't particularly care if its Shels Bohs or Pats or somewhere else, he needs a break and a bit of luck.

Maybe among the three best 'underage helpers' in the League :D best of luck to him wherever he ends up.

[Nesta99]

Lads , Luke Byrne seems like a nice kid who has had a terrible run with injuries needs game time and is unlikely to get it with Kavanagh and Clarke ahead of him in the pecking order. He helped out with the underage while he was off injured and kept it up when he got back. Rather than having a pop a him maybe wish him the best and hope he signs with someone and gets his career on track i know that is what i hope and don't particularly care if its Shels Bohs or Pats or somewhere else, he needs a break and a bit of luck.

There was no pop at the player! Well no moreso that a fan getting caught out by him being released. He certainly could well be a top signing for a club especially after being so highly rated by Shams fans - and thats not having a pop as the opinion of the lad seems genuine!