Player eligibility row

[The Fly]

Will anyone dare?? It would be worth it, even to get banned by their Paranoia Police on OWB.
Though if anyone does, I for one would make a modest donation to charity.


Firstly, it has already been posted and I expect proof of your charitable donation.

Secondly, in my experience the admin/moderators of OWC have always been quite liberal, lenient and accommodating.
You might surprise yourself!

[dantheman]

I see EG has run back to his own.
Still banging out the tired old territory argument.


QUOTE (Predator @ Jun 11 2010, 05:16 PM) http://ourweecountry.ipbhost.com/style_images/1/post_snapback.gif (http://ourweecountry.ipbhost.com/index.php?act=findpost&pid=652104) I hope you mean hypocrisy on the part of your fellow supporters. You know, those who have continuously mocked the fact that there happen to be a few English or Scottish players in our squads.

Hypocrisy? I think not. For what you overlook is that every single one of those players has at least one parent or grandparent who was born "within the territory of the IFA" (as FIFA phrases it in their Articles 16 and 17). Indeed, one of those players has a father who won 42 caps for NI and the father of another is only the Coach of our U-21's.

Can the likes of Darron Gibson point to any parent or grandparent born within the territory of the FAI?

That is the difference, which effectively rebuts your claims of hypocrisy, whether you care to recognise it or not.

QUOTE (Predator @ Jun 11 2010, 05:16 PM) http://ourweecountry.ipbhost.com/style_images/1/post_snapback.gif (http://ourweecountry.ipbhost.com/index.php?act=findpost&pid=652104)
In fact, that's what drove the poster on foot.ie to create the map.
You confuse cause and effect. Whilst it may have manifested itself in his little chart (I hope he is proud of it, btw), actually what drove the originator ("Co.Down Green") was a hatred of all things Norn Iron.
It is this same hatred, for instance, which causes the same prat eg laboriously to type out "Ireland" and "the North", when anyone else would simply (and accurately) type "ROI" and "NI".
Then again, it is usually the case that those ROI fans who actually live in the Republic are entirely decent, whilst those who are most consumed with bitterness at the mere mention of "Northern Ireland" are the ones who actually live there... http://ourweecountry.ipbhost.com/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gifOn another note, a poll has been launched for what action to take when the CAS fails. Kind of an admittance that for all the hot air spouted (see quote above), no case is present.

Options favoured include, er, not talking to us. Bit like auld EG here for the last few days. Nice constructive one here:


When the FAI tell us to f**k off then that's when the gloves come off and we get stuck into those c**ts and anyone else for that matter too.Yeah punk yeah!!

[ArdeeBhoy]

Firstly, it has already been posted and I expect proof of your charitable donation.

Secondly, in my experience the admin/moderators of OWC have always been quite liberal, lenient and accommodating.
You might surprise yourself!

If you can provide evidence (eg. a link;PM If you like?).
And you or the other regular contributor on there/here can post the double of the 'FAI/IFA' maps on there, will happily double that modest donation to a charity of your choice.

As for the second part, presume after the treatment even a modest poster like you has received on there, you are being ironic??
Sure there are one or two accomodating souls (even give modest credit to their uber-Mod, ML, but maybe that's because he's allowing others to do 'his work'??), but the bitterness and rancour has to be seen on there to be believed.

Would admit though, on meeting most fans of the North in person over a few pints they're largely tolerable, though they do seem to have a long-term view of regarding us from a largely derogatory view (like most unionists) should we have the temerity to present a differing view (from their own very narrow one) eg. of their football team.....
See Dtm's post above for a typical stance. Including our own notorious 'favourite' poster. But milder than some!
:eek:

[Sullivinho]

When the FAI tell us to f**k off then that's when the gloves come off and we get stuck into those c**ts and anyone else for that matter too.

Every night, Chuck Norris checks beneath his bed to make sure the author of the above is not present. Only then can he achieve restful sleep.

I can't imagine how the FAI are coping.

[awec]

Would admit though, on meeting most fans of the North in person over a few pints they're largely tolerable, though they do seem to have a long-term view of regarding us from a largely derogatory view (like most unionists) should we have the temerity to present a differing view (from their own very narrow one) eg. of their football team.....
:eek:

What?

"Unionists have a derogatory view of those who have a negative view of the country they support"

There's a shock. And you deride them for this?!

I'm a Unionist, I don't think players should be allowed to switch allegiances past a certain (much younger than now) age. Am I narrow minded?

[co. down green]

Poor Ealing Green, so much anger.

Imagine someone having the front or the audacity to call his international team Ireland. It’s shocking, an abomination and a downright injustice. :)

And he’s so rude, calling me a prat. I’m consumed, consumed I say by bitterness because I pointed out that the north’s teams are being swamped with young English born players, yet Ealing Green spends his life on owc calling us beggars!

sheer unbridled hypocrisy, I say.

ni u18 international – Romford born Callum Whittaker added to map. :)

http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/3900/map2o.jpg

[yapster]

What?

"Unionists have a derogatory view of those who have a negative view of the country they support"

There's a shock. And you deride them for this?!

I'm a Unionist, I don't think players should be allowed to switch allegiances past a certain (much younger than now) age. Am I narrow minded?


Who do you support then?

[The Fly]

If you can provide evidence (eg. a link;PM If you like?).
And you or the other regular contributor on there/here can post the double of the 'FAI/IFA' maps on there, will happily double that modest donation to a charity of your choice.


If you look at the post above your own, #952 by 'Dantheman', you'll notice that he has pasted the exchange between 'Predator' and 'Ealing Green' on OWC which references it.

As for the FAI/IFA maps, I don't have a reason to post them on OWC. I only posted the British map in response to a OWC member, who made a cheeky wee remark about the number of Irish and British born players in our squads. (.....and it was posted before your suggestion)

The charity of my choice...........hmmm..........what's that one Roy Keane supports? ;)




As for the second part, presume after the treatment even a modest poster like you has received on there, you are being ironic??


You must be a member to know of my 'treatment' or my modesty.......eh? :D



Sure there are one or two accomodating souls (even give modest credit to their uber-Mod, ML, but maybe that's because he's allowing others to do 'his work'??), but the bitterness and rancour has to be seen on there to be believed.


In the context of what interests me, my own personal experience has been as I described.....no more, no less.

I suppose that at times things can get a little robust, but that's only to be expected when it comes to 'Northern Ireland' issues, whether that be player eligibility or current affairs. But.....you know.....if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.

[The Fly]

Poor Ealing Green, so much anger.

Imagine someone having the front or the audacity to call his international team Ireland. It’s shocking, an abomination and a downright injustice. :)

And he’s so rude, calling me a prat. I’m consumed, consumed I say by bitterness because I pointed out that the north’s teams are being swamped with young English born players, yet Ealing Green spends his life on owc calling us beggars!


Don't take such slanders to heart.......chin up.......you'll get through this! :rolleyes:

[ArdeeBhoy]

"Unionists have a derogatory view of those who have a negative view of the country they support"

There's a shock. And you deride them for this?!

I'm a Unionist, I don't think players should be allowed to switch allegiances past a certain (much younger than now) age. Am I narrow minded?

Of course, any sane person would;It's the 21st century, not the 17th century which they seem insistent on reminding us all of, annually. Or had you not noticed?? :eek:
And have you not read the thread, FFS?

Also, NB.The Hypocrisy of gurning about us taking members of the indigenous population (Who no longer are forced to have an alien nationality forced on them. The fact that they have had to wait decades for this, is bad enough.) when the North seem happy to do this with plenty of people eligible to play for England(amongst others), shows the usual arrogant myopia.





If you look at the post #952 by 'Dantheman', you'll notice that he has pasted the exchange between 'Predator' and 'Ealing Green' on OWC which references it.

As for the FAI/IFA maps, I don't have a reason to post them on OWC.
The charity of my choice...........hmmm..........what's that one Roy Keane supports?
Ah, you do now!
P. is too much on thin ice to do so....


You must be a member to know of my 'treatment' or my modesty.......eh? :D

I suppose that at times things can get a little robust, but that's only to be expected when it comes to 'Northern Ireland' issues, whether that be player eligibility or current affairs. But.....you know.....if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.

You might say that;I couldn't possibly comment. ;)

But where I would disagree with you, is that they always seem to accentuate the negative and you have to be 'allowed to stand in the kitchen', unless you are totally unreasonable, to conduct such a debate in the first place......
They don't want to hear a differing opinion.

Whilst I would disagree with EG as his stance is deluded and hypocritical, NB/'mac' has a, er, more reasoned but one-dimensional approach. He comes across as relatively sincere and often talks more sense on owc than the more paranoid constituency?? And when on here!

[The Fly]

Ah, you do now!
P. is too much on thin ice to do so....


What about the donation? :D



You might say that;I couldn't possibly comment. ;)


Quoting Francis Urquhart, a fictional (and superbly played) British politician.......I'm surprised!

(alternatively, you could just go back to Andytown again!)



But where I would disagree with you, is that they always seem to accentuate the negative and you have to be 'allowed to stand in the kitchen', unless you are totally unreasonable, to conduct such a debate in the first place......
They don't want to hear a differing opinion.


I suppose it all depends on one's debating style.......eh? :rolleyes:

[ArdeeBhoy]

The donation's still there;Potentially doubled if you, or another, wish to post up the earlier map.

As for Urquhart, it's a Scottish name, so just about acceptable. And can't assume the the AA mantle, as there are geographical issues too wordy to explain here. Maybe, elsewhere some day. As with much else.

And any 'debating style' :rolleyes:, will let my peers be my judge.
Runs for cover.

[The Fly]

And can't assume the the AA mantle, as there are geographical issues too wordy to explain here. Maybe, elsewhere some day. As with much else.


I'll just assume the association then.

Though, I suppose.....when you think about it....... why would a person move to Ardee, when Andytown's such a nice place? :rolleyes:

[The Fly]

Whilst I would disagree with EG as his stance is deluded and hypocritical, NB/'mac' has a, er, more reasoned but one-dimensional approach. He comes across as relatively sincere and often talks more sense on owc than the more paranoid constituency?? And when on here!

I'm sure 'Mac'/'Not Brazil' will be overwhelmed with such praise!

[ArdeeBhoy]

I'll just assume the association then!

Assume as you wish. But on this one you're wrong!

As for NB, I'm sure he can deal with it?

[dantheman]

The latest apres match is relevant here:

http://www.rte.ie/sport/worldcup/apresmatch.html

fake sheikh

[kingdomkerry]

Just over a week to the CAS case. I found an article here which sums up my feelings www.endgameinulster.blogspot.com

[The Fly]

Just over a week to the CAS case. I found an article here which sums up my feelings www.endgameinulster.blogspot.com (http://www.endgameinulster.blogspot.com)

Ding! Ding! Ding!...Round One Thousand and...........:excruciating:

[dantheman]

Just over a week to the CAS case. I found an article here which sums up my feelings www.endgameinulster.blogspot.com

Good find.

RIP Horseman

[Lionel Ritchie]

Just over a week to the CAS case. I found an article here which sums up my feelings www.endgameinulster.blogspot.com

It may sum up your feelings KK but it's scarcely an unbiased appraisal of the facts. It's also littered with factual inaccuracies and downright mischievous falsehoods.

IFA is a British football association which is supported almost exclusively by hardline loyalists. in my limited experience of them this is simply not true. They'd be overwhelmingly, though not exclusively, Unionist for sure -but "hardline loyalist" with all that that implies (tacit support for paramilitarism etc). They're just not. More likely to find his hardline loyalists cheering for En-ger-lund.

The stadium Windsor Park is located in a staunchly loyalist area of Belfast and is draped in union jacks on match days. If he's not talking exclusively about NI match days then he's being fork-tongued. Giving him the benefit of a doubt that he is -then he's simply wrong. Very few UJs in windsor these days. The only one that sticks out in my mind is one done up in blue whilte and green.

It is well documented the abuse that catholic Celtic goalkeeper Artur Boruc received as were the riots that ensued against the catholic Polish supporters It is well documented that elements within the "catholic Polish supporters" kicked it off and kept it going long before match-time and some considerable distance from WP. Nobody rioted against the catholic Polish supporters. It is also well documented that Artur Boruc had a howler and left the strong impression he couldn't save pennies in a jam jar.

[EalingGreen]

It may sum up your feelings KK but it's scarcely an unbiased appraisal of the facts. It's also littered with factual inaccuracies and downright mischievous falsehoods.
in my limited experience of them this is simply not true. They'd be overwhelmingly, though not exclusively, Unionist for sure -but "hardline loyalist" with all that that implies (tacit support for paramilitarism etc). They're just not. More likely to find his hardline loyalists cheering for En-ger-lund.
If he's not talking exclusively about NI match days then he's being fork-tongued. Giving him the benefit of a doubt that he is -then he's simply wrong. Very few UJs in windsor these days. The only one that sticks out in my mind is one done up in blue whilte and green.
It is well documented that elements within the "catholic Polish supporters" kicked it off and kept it going long before match-time and some considerable distance from WP. Nobody rioted against the catholic Polish supporters. It is also well documented that Artur Boruc had a howler and left the strong impression he couldn't save pennies in a jam jar.Thanks for that LR (though you do realise that that post makes you a fully paid-up "West Brit (Official)"? ;)

Anyhow, the article as written was so obviously composed by some idiot who has never been to a single NI match in his (her?) sad little life that I couldn't be arsed to comment on it originally.

However, just to demonstrate what a pr1ck the Author really is, in order to justify his naked prejudice, he originally claimed that "The stadium Windsor Park is located in the heart of Loyalist East [sic] Belfast".

But when someone/something drew his attention to his geographical ignorance, rather than acknowledge his mistake, or excise the comment completely, he replaced it with: "The stadium Windsor Park is located in a staunchly loyalist area of Belfast etc"

Perhaps he hoped we wouldn't notice? :rolleyes:

P.S. For information, WP is in South Belfast, which is the most mixed (and middle-class) area of the entire city. And although one side of the Stadium backs onto a Loyalist enclave called the Village, all the main approaches to Windsor (car, bus, foot etc) are from other directions, which is why in 40 years of attending matches, I have never once chosen or had to go through the Village.

[DannyInvincible]

Just over a week to the CAS case. I found an article here which sums up my feelings www.endgameinulster.blogspot.com

In fairness, there's been a much better analysis of virtually every aspect of the facts and opinions surrounding this situation in this thread; this particular blog entry isn't a great summation of that. It's only a blog. Anyone can maintain a blog these days.

[The Fly]

P.S. For information, WP is in South Belfast, which is the most mixed (and middle-class) area of the entire city. And although one side of the Stadium backs onto a Loyalist enclave called the Village, all the main approaches to Windsor (car, bus, foot etc) are from other directions, which is why in 40 years of attending matches, I have never once chosen or had to go through the Village.

Sound advice............Number Six is still stuck there!

[EalingGreen]

Just over a week to the CAS case. I found an article here which sums up my feelings www.endgameinulster.blogspot.com
Further update on KK's remarkable find:

Cliftonville, a team whose support is now almost excusively Nationalist, are unable to play Thursday's Europa League game at their home ground, Solitude. Guess where they've chosen to play it instead?

Yep, a certain stadium called Windsor Park, sometime home of Linfield and "located in a staunchly Loyalist area of Belfast".

Strange one, that, all the more since whilst WP is accessible/acceptable to them as Reds fans, it somehow ceases to become so (as Nationalists) when NI play there.

P.S. The reason why Solitude is unavailable is because they are currently installing a new state-of-the-art 3G all-weather pitch, following generous funding from those Loyalist Orange Bigots at the IFA:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/irish/8728144.stm
P.P.S. At least the Reds will be able to work on the new pitch round-the-clock, now that they've installed modern new floodlights at Solitude, following more funding from those LOB's at the IFA:
"HERALDING A BRIGHT NEW ERA
The Club is pleased to announce that its application to the IFA for funding for new floodlights has been successful. Cliftonville are one of three clubs to have been awarded 95% funding towards a new floodlight system.
Subject to planning permission, the Club anticipate that work on the new floodlights should commence in the summer and we hope to have them ready for early in the 2008/09 season.
The new lights will be UEFA standard and capable of generating the 800 lux required for European games as well as for any live televised matches.
This is a very significant step towards the Club achieving Domestic and UEFA Licence standards for the stadium at Solitude and the Club is grateful to the IFA for its assistance and support"
http://www.cliftonvillefc.net/newsmay08.html
P.P.P.S. All a shame, really, since I'm sure would have loved to accommodate their Visitors in the new Away Stand at Solitude, completed in 2008 with financial assistance from, let me see, some bunch of LOB's calling themselves the IFA...

[ifk101]

Cliftonville, a team whose support is now almost excusively Nationalist, are unable to play Thursday's Europa League game at their home ground, Solitude. Guess where they've chosen to play it instead?

How many UEFA compliant stadiums are there in Belfast? Did that influence Cliftonville's decision? Given that Cliftonville have chosen to play league games in Celtic Park in the recent past, maybe grounds other than Windsor were preferred but were not "available"?



P.S. The reason why Solitude is unavailable is because they are currently installing a new state-of-the-art 3G all-weather pitch, following generous funding from those Loyalist Orange Bigots at the IFA:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/irish/8728144.stm
P.P.S. At least the Reds will be able to work on the new pitch round-the-clock, now that they've installed modern new floodlights at Solitude, following more funding from those LOB's at the IFA:
"HERALDING A BRIGHT NEW ERA
The Club is pleased to announce that its application to the IFA for funding for new floodlights has been successful. Cliftonville are one of three clubs to have been awarded 95% funding towards a new floodlight system.
Subject to planning permission, the Club anticipate that work on the new floodlights should commence in the summer and we hope to have them ready for early in the 2008/09 season.
The new lights will be UEFA standard and capable of generating the 800 lux required for European games as well as for any live televised matches.
This is a very significant step towards the Club achieving Domestic and UEFA Licence standards for the stadium at Solitude and the Club is grateful to the IFA for its assistance and support"
http://www.cliftonvillefc.net/newsmay08.html
P.P.P.S. All a shame, really, since I'm sure would have loved to accommodate their Visitors in the new Away Stand at Solitude, completed in 2008 with financial assistance from, let me see, some bunch of LOB's calling themselves the IFA...

With Howard Wells fresh in the mind, the above could read as a list of IFA payoffs down the years. But good to see the IFA has deep pockets.

[OneRedArmy]

Further update on KK's remarkable find:

Cliftonville, a team whose support is now almost excusively Nationalist, are unable to play Thursday's Europa League game at their home ground, Solitude. Guess where they've chosen to play it instead?

Yep, a certain stadium called Windsor Park, sometime home of Linfield and "located in a staunchly Loyalist area of Belfast".

Strange one, that, all the more since whilst WP is accessible/acceptable to them as Reds fans, it somehow ceases to become so (as Nationalists) when NI play there.

P.S. The reason why Solitude is unavailable is because they are currently installing a new state-of-the-art 3G all-weather pitch, following generous funding from those Loyalist Orange Bigots at the IFA:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/irish/8728144.stm
P.P.S. At least the Reds will be able to work on the new pitch round-the-clock, now that they've installed modern new floodlights at Solitude, following more funding from those LOB's at the IFA:
"HERALDING A BRIGHT NEW ERA
The Club is pleased to announce that its application to the IFA for funding for new floodlights has been successful. Cliftonville are one of three clubs to have been awarded 95% funding towards a new floodlight system.
Subject to planning permission, the Club anticipate that work on the new floodlights should commence in the summer and we hope to have them ready for early in the 2008/09 season.
The new lights will be UEFA standard and capable of generating the 800 lux required for European games as well as for any live televised matches.
This is a very significant step towards the Club achieving Domestic and UEFA Licence standards for the stadium at Solitude and the Club is grateful to the IFA for its assistance and support"
http://www.cliftonvillefc.net/newsmay08.html
P.P.P.S. All a shame, really, since I'm sure would have loved to accommodate their Visitors in the new Away Stand at Solitude, completed in 2008 with financial assistance from, let me see, some bunch of LOB's calling themselves the IFA...All good stuff but relevant how?

[co. down green]

Further update on KK's remarkable find:

Cliftonville, a team whose support is now almost excusively Nationalist, are unable to play Thursday's Europa League game at their home ground, Solitude. Guess where they've chosen to play it instead?

Yep, a certain stadium called Windsor Park, sometime home of Linfield and "located in a staunchly Loyalist area of Belfast".

Strange one, that, all the more since whilst WP is accessible/acceptable to them as Reds fans, it somehow ceases to become so (as Nationalists) when NI play there.

P.S. The reason why Solitude is unavailable is because they are currently installing a new state-of-the-art 3G all-weather pitch, following generous funding from those Loyalist Orange Bigots at the IFA:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/irish/8728144.stm
P.P.S. At least the Reds will be able to work on the new pitch round-the-clock, now that they've installed modern new floodlights at Solitude, following more funding from those LOB's at the IFA:
"HERALDING A BRIGHT NEW ERA
The Club is pleased to announce that its application to the IFA for funding for new floodlights has been successful. Cliftonville are one of three clubs to have been awarded 95% funding towards a new floodlight system.
Subject to planning permission, the Club anticipate that work on the new floodlights should commence in the summer and we hope to have them ready for early in the 2008/09 season.
The new lights will be UEFA standard and capable of generating the 800 lux required for European games as well as for any live televised matches.
This is a very significant step towards the Club achieving Domestic and UEFA Licence standards for the stadium at Solitude and the Club is grateful to the IFA for its assistance and support"
http://www.cliftonvillefc.net/newsmay08.html
P.P.P.S. All a shame, really, since I'm sure would have loved to accommodate their Visitors in the new Away Stand at Solitude, completed in 2008 with financial assistance from, let me see, some bunch of LOB's calling themselves the IFA...

Are you aware that the Loyalist entrances to Windsor park have always been unaccessable to Cliftonville fans. The visiting fans can only access the ground via the Boucher Road, along a cage covered dirt track, across Midgley Park before reaching the turnstiles at the back of the North stand.

The 3g pitch is being 100% funded by the FIFA Goal Investment Programme.

The new floodlights were funded to the tune of 200k by the UEFA HatTrick II Assistance Programme.

The away stand at Solitude was built nine years ago at the bowling green end , not 2 years ago.

Don't use Wikipedia for all your research eg.

I presume you (and Wikipedia) are talking about the new home stand at the cage end of the ground opened in 2008. The 1650 seater stand was totally funded by sportni.

[awec]

Are you aware that the Loyalist entrances to Windsor park have always been unaccessable to Cliftonville fans. The visiting fans can only access the ground via the Boucher Road, along a cage covered dirt track, across Midgley Park before reaching the turnstiles at the back of the North stand.

The 3g pitch is being 100% funded by the FIFA Goal Investment Programme.

The new floodlights were funded to the tune of 200k by the UEFA HatTrick II Assistance Programme.

The away stand at Solitude was built nine years ago at the bowling green end , not 2 years ago.

Don't use Wikipedia for all your research eg.

I presume you (and Wikipedia) are talking about the new home stand at the cage end of the ground opened in 2008. The 1650 seater stand was totally funded by sportni.

There is no such thing as a Loyalist entrance to Windsor Park. There are 3 entrances, Lisburn Road, the Village and the Boucher Road.

Visiting fans ALWAYS use the Boucher Road, no matter who it is. This is not bias against Cliftonville.

In the case of a neutral game, there are numerous clubs that won't have access to the Lisburn Road entrance. Glentoran do not get access to that entrace as the Police will not put Glenmen up the Lisburn Road. Cliftonville cannot use that entrance as it's too close to the Village.

[awec]

How many UEFA compliant stadiums are there in Belfast? Did that influence Cliftonville's decision? Given that Cliftonville have chosen to play league games in Celtic Park in the recent past, maybe grounds other than Windsor were preferred but were not "available"?



With Howard Wells fresh in the mind, the above could read as a list of IFA payoffs down the years. But good to see the IFA has deep pockets.
Cliftonville have also opted to play home games at Seaview (which in case you don't know is on the Shore Road -a much more staunch loyalist area than South Belfast) for the start of this season, so what's your point caller? :)

[Den Perry]

Further update on KK's remarkable find:

Cliftonville, a team whose support is now almost excusively Nationalist, are unable to play Thursday's Europa League game at their home ground, Solitude. Guess where they've chosen to play it instead?

Yep, a certain stadium called Windsor Park, sometime home of Linfield and "located in a staunchly Loyalist area of Belfast".

Strange one, that, all the more since whilst WP is accessible/acceptable to them as Reds fans, it somehow ceases to become so (as Nationalists) when NI play there.

P.S. The reason why Solitude is unavailable is because they are currently installing a new state-of-the-art 3G all-weather pitch, following generous funding from those Loyalist Orange Bigots at the IFA:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/irish/8728144.stm
P.P.S. At least the Reds will be able to work on the new pitch round-the-clock, now that they've installed modern new floodlights at Solitude, following more funding from those LOB's at the IFA:
"HERALDING A BRIGHT NEW ERA
The Club is pleased to announce that its application to the IFA for funding for new floodlights has been successful. Cliftonville are one of three clubs to have been awarded 95% funding towards a new floodlight system.
Subject to planning permission, the Club anticipate that work on the new floodlights should commence in the summer and we hope to have them ready for early in the 2008/09 season.
The new lights will be UEFA standard and capable of generating the 800 lux required for European games as well as for any live televised matches.
This is a very significant step towards the Club achieving Domestic and UEFA Licence standards for the stadium at Solitude and the Club is grateful to the IFA for its assistance and support"
http://www.cliftonvillefc.net/newsmay08.html
P.P.P.S. All a shame, really, since I'm sure would have loved to accommodate their Visitors in the new Away Stand at Solitude, completed in 2008 with financial assistance from, let me see, some bunch of LOB's calling themselves the IFA...

He hasn't gone away, you know.....

[Mr_Parker]

Further update on KK's remarkable find:

Cliftonville, a team whose support is now almost excusively Nationalist, are unable to play Thursday's Europa League game at their home ground, Solitude. Guess where they've chosen to play it instead?

Yep, a certain stadium called Windsor Park, sometime home of Linfield and "located in a staunchly Loyalist area of Belfast".

Strange one, that, all the more since whilst WP is accessible/acceptable to them as Reds fans, it somehow ceases to become so (as Nationalists) when NI play there.


A large percentage yes but not "almost exclusively." Cliftonville fans access to Windsor Park is restricted when we play there. ie only via Kennedy Way with Police restricting other routes. Cliftonville Had in fact chosen the Oval but had to change at the last minute due to the home/away fixtures that glentoran potentially had. Thow it is changed days since the IFA forced Cliftonville to play numerous 'home' fixtures, cup games etc for some 30 odd years at Windsor.




P.S. The reason why Solitude is unavailable is because they are currently installing a new state-of-the-art 3G all-weather pitch, following generous funding from those Loyalist Orange Bigots at the IFA:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/irish/8728144.stm
For clarity, it is money from UEFA distributed via the IFA.


F
P.P.S. At least the Reds will be able to work on the new pitch round-the-clock, now that they've installed modern new floodlights at Solitude, following more funding from those LOB's at the IFA:
"HERALDING A BRIGHT NEW ERA
The Club is pleased to announce that its application to the IFA for funding for new floodlights has been successful. Cliftonville are one of three clubs to have been awarded 95% funding towards a new floodlight system.
Subject to planning permission, the Club anticipate that work on the new floodlights should commence in the summer and we hope to have them ready for early in the 2008/09 season.
The new lights will be UEFA standard and capable of generating the 800 lux required for European games as well as for any live televised matches.
This is a very significant step towards the Club achieving Domestic and UEFA Licence standards for the stadium at Solitude and the Club is grateful to the IFA for its assistance and support"

Again for clarity, that funding came from the UEFA 'Hat Trick' programme via the IFA.



P.P.P.S. All a shame, really, since I'm sure would have loved to accommodate their Visitors in the new Away Stand at Solitude, completed in 2008 with financial assistance from, let me see, some bunch of LOB's calling themselves the IFA...

The stand was funded by Sportni and not the IFA.

[ifk101]

Cliftonville have also opted to play home games at Seaview (which in case you don't know is on the Shore Road -a much more staunch loyalist area than South Belfast) for the start of this season, so what's your point caller? :)

It wasn't me that brought Cliftonville into the conversation, hence my questions. Maybe you should ask the original caller was his point was? :)

[EalingGreen]

It wasn't me that brought Cliftonville into the conversation, hence my questions. Maybe you should ask the original caller was his point was? :)My point was quite simple.

In his never-ending quest to blacken the name of the IFA and the NI football team etc, Kingdom Kerry introduced a piece of blogroll ("End Game In Ulster", post #967) which, amongst other things, claimed that Windsor Park was effectively a "no-go" area for Nationalists etc.

I pointed out that when Cliftonville, whose support is predominantly Nationalist (OK, Mr. P?), needed a ground for tonight's Europa League game, they elected to stage it in Windsor, thereby making a nonsense of "Endgame's" prejudiced claim.

And whilst on the subject of Cliftonville, I pointed out that the IFA - another target of Endgame's ranting - has actually been very helpful to Cliftonville FC in rebuilding their ground etc (both from their own, scarce, resources and by helping secure outside funding), help which has been publicly acknowledged by the club itself.

P.S. If you are really so concerned by posters having no point to make, or veering off topic etc, why didn't you take exception when KK originally posted Endgame's rant? Why does it only concern you when posters like myself attempt to defend ourselves and our team when faced with offensive tripe of the sort which KK habitually posts?

[ifk101]

P.S. If you are really so concerned by posters having no point to make, or veering off topic etc, why didn't you take exception when KK originally posted Endgame's rant? ?

I'm not going to click on a link that sums up KK's feelings. :D

Add him to your ignore list or bring it up with a moderator if it's a problem for you.

[EalingGreen]

I'm not going to click on a link that sums up KK's feelings. :DIf you aren't prepared even to read what he posted, then how can you expect to understand my point when I reply to that Link?

Quite simply, you are reverting to type in disparaging what I, an NI fan, posts on a thread about the NI team, even when mine is a reasoned reply to a prejudiced rant by KK/Endgame concerning my team. I can only assume that that this is because you, too, are prejudiced against me/NI fans etc.


Add him to your ignore list...If I ignore what KK posts, then he will just continue to repeat his poisonous little rants about my team unchallenged.


... or bring it up with a moderator if it's a problem for you."Dear Moderator, I don't like what KK posts"? Yeah, right...

Anyhow, why don't you heed your own advice and either ignore my posts or report me to the Mods?

[Charlie Darwin]

To be fair most people could probably tell from the name of the blog that it was complete and utter ****e.

[ifk101]

If you aren't prepared even to read what he posted, then how can you expect to understand my point when I reply to that Link?

Your "point" was twisting the truth while having a sly dig at Cliftonville fans. That's what I was replying to.


Quite simply, you are reverting to type in disparaging what I, an NI fan, posts on a thread about the NI team, even when mine is a reasoned reply to a prejudiced rant by KK/Endgame concerning my team. I can only assume that that this is because you, too, are prejudiced against me/NI fans etc.

Let others be the judge of whether it's a reasoned reply or not. You can assume what you wish but at least find an ounce of foundation for such an assumption. I've never had a problem with genuine NI fans but once you start posting your unique understanding on issues that concern the team I support or topics I have interest in, I'm going to have an opinion.


If I ignore what KK posts, then he will just continue to repeat his poisonous little rants about my team unchallenged.

You're taking the bait.


Anyhow, why don't you heed your own advice and either ignore my posts or report me to the Mods?

Ah EG don't be like that. :D

[EalingGreen]

Your "point" was twisting the truth while having a sly dig at Cliftonville fans. That's what I was replying to. I was not "twisting" anything - that was KK/Endgame. As for my references to Cliftonville, those were merely to refute KK/Endgame's slur that WP is a "no go" area for Nationalists, by pointing out that a predominantly Nationalist-supported club can happily play European games there, even during the height of the 'Marching Season'.
Ditto KK/Endgame's allegations of "loyalist bias" at the IFA etc, where I pointed out their assistance to C'ville.
As for my having a "sly dig" at their fans, that was not my point*, but even if it were, what would that have to do with you? You a big fan of the Wee Reds or IL football these days? Why do you take exception to my posts, whilst ignoring those of a stirrer like KK?

* - Fyi, I have nothing for/against C'ville or their fans; in fact I was pleased for them for last night's victory


Let others be the judge of whether it's a reasoned reply or not. You can assume what you wish but at least find an ounce of foundation for such an assumption.You don't appear to uinderstand the difference between "reasoned" and "reasonable". When I said my reply to KK was "reasoned", I meant that I gave reasons to support my case. Of course it is for others to decide for themselves whether that case is reasonable (valid) or not.


I've never had a problem with genuine NI fansAre you implying that I am not a "genuine NI fan"?


but once you start posting your unique understanding on issues that concern the team I support or topics I have interest in, I'm going to have an opinion. Other posters (eg Lionel R, Danny I, Co.Down Green, AWEC, Mr. Parker etc) have replied to my posts with informed, reasoned opinions of their own, some of which support me, others which don't (fair enough).
Whereas your most recent posts on this thread (#'s 975, 982, 984), are all barely concealed ad hominem attacks on me, which otherwise contribute precisely nothing to the debate. Then again, since you apparently know sod-all about football in Belfast etc, that should hardly be any surprise.


You're taking the bait.If I thought KK was merely "fishing" by posting that Endgame tripe, I would, indeed, leave it. But it is clear from his other NI-related posts that he entirely agrees with the prejudiced bile contained therein.
Even then I might be prepared to leave it at that, since it is obvious that no amount of reasoning or evidence is likely to change his particular closed mind.
However, there are other, less informed Members of this Board who might be casually persuaded by such rants, to one degree or another.
Therefore, I choose to reply to KK, as a means of "setting straight the record" (as I see it).
Meanwhile, you appear to have no informed view on the "record", but pile in with your posts anyhow...


Ah EG don't be like that. :DI will "be" whatever way I like. But however that may be, I will try to practice what I preach.
Speaking of which, I note that you continue to contradict your own "preaching", by neither reporting me to the Mods, nor adding me to your "Ignore List".

[Wolfie]

DEAR ALL AND SUNDRY,

Ireland V Northern Ireland in the the Celtic Cup is only a year away now.

All the talking will be done on the pitch - its such a quaint notion.

[EalingGreen]

DEAR ALL AND SUNDRY,
Ireland V Northern Ireland in the the Celtic Cup is only a year away now.Actually, Republic of Ireland v Northern Ireland in the Four Associations Tournament is only 7/10 months away:
http://www.fai.ie/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=4128

Will that be sufficient time for you to get even the basic facts right, or should we postpone it?

[Gather round]

Actually, Republic of Ireland v Northern Ireland in the Four Associations Tournament is only 7/10 months away:
http://www.fai.ie/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=4128

Will that be sufficient time for you to get even the basic facts right, or should we postpone it?

Chill, big man. There's nothing in Wolfie's post to get wound up by ;)

Good points of your own up-thread.

[Wolfie]

Actually, Republic of Ireland v Northern Ireland in the Four Associations Tournament is only 7/10 months away:
http://www.fai.ie/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=4128

Will that be sufficient time for you to get even the basic facts right, or should we postpone it?

Put the handbag away, EG - if I was having a dig at you I'd quote your post.

Many thanks for the pedantic reference to the Four Associations Tournament. Catchy.

Is it the Celtic reference you object to or were you just being particularly pedantic?

[DannyInvincible]

So, Monday is the day of the hearing. Will CAS announce their decision on Monday also, or will that come after a period of deliberation over the facts and circumstances presented to them by the IFA? If so, any idea how long this process might take?

The CAS website states the following is scheduled:


19 July 2010
CAS 2010/A/2071 Irish Football Association v/ Football Association of Ireland, Daniel Kearns and FIFA

Presumably the FAI, Daniel Kearns and FIFA are sending representatives as well to argue against the IFA's case or is that even a requirement?

[EalingGreen]

Put the handbag away, EG - if I was having a dig at you I'd quote your postBy referring to your team as "Ireland", you are having a dig at my team, therefore me. For whilst I normally accept the (incorrect but) casual use of "Ireland" on threads like these when referring to the FAI team generally, when it is placed directly alongside the NI team, it is quite simply wrong (and irritating).


Many thanks for the pedantic reference to the Four Associations Tournament. Catchy.Not my choice of title; if you want to know whose it was, perhaps you might take another look at whose website it was I quoted? After all, when it comes to the issue of nomenclature etc, I've seen ROI fans on here refusing to recognise the authority of FIFA; now it seems you are reluctant even to accept that of your own Association...


Is it the Celtic reference you object toNot particularly, no. Afaiaa, it was the SFA who objected most strongly to that suggested title.


or were you just being particularly pedantic?Seeing as it is actually easier, quicker and more correct to post "ROI" (and NI), it is arguably you who is being pedantic, by insisting on "Ireland". (I'll put the Celtic Cup reference down to ignorance/laziness)

[awec]

TBH, I don't care if they call themselves Ireland, Republic of Ireland or the "Better than those Nordie b**tards" Ireland.

[Charlie Darwin]

They're interchangable for me. Ireland is what most of us southerners call our country.

[gspain]

I would gladly take 3 hammerings in the Celtic/Four Associations/4 nations/whatever you want to call it/we need to pay for the Aviva stadium/mouse cup if we could be guaranteed that we'd be in Poland/Ukraine for the finals of a really important tournament in June 2012. So I don't think it will really settle too much on the pitch next year when we play. We have 2 huge games v Macedonia in the first half of 2011 and some friendlies.

Having said that I'll be at our 3 games and more than likely the other 3 in the tournament as well.

[Den Perry]

This competition seems like a good idea. However I'd worry that we me may encounter some of the hooligans that came to Dublin when Glentoran were here recently. Or indeed those that fought with the Polish in Belfast

[Sullivinho]

Ireland is what most of us southerners call our country.

True. The last time I heard anyone say "Republic of...", they were talking about Cork exclusively. ;)


http://img682.imageshack.us/img682/1541/irelandf.png

A relief all the same to know usage of the word isn't against house rules.

[awec]

Arguing over a name is a bit pedantic IMO, live and let live.

My worry is when NI play the ROI, there'll be hangers on from both sides who'll do their best to darken the name of both countries and ruin what would be a fantastic day for all genuine supporters.

Hopefully I'm wrong though.