Player eligibility row

[ifk101]

Sounds like somebody in Dumbarton was playing with their voodoo doll.

[The Fly]

Daniel Devine (PNE), has been named in the NI under 19 squad for their international friendly against Spain next week.

Maybe he ran into Don Givens? :rolleyes:

[Predator]

Daniel Devine (PNE), has been named in the NI under 19 squad for their international friendly against Spain next week.

Maybe he ran into Don Givens? :rolleyes:
Could it be that he was named in the squad, despite making his decision to change? Has been named in any ROI squads?

Interestingly, a poll on the Belfast Telegraph is currently in favour of allowing people from the north to play for the Republic, leading some posters around the world wide web to label it as a 'fix!'.

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/other-sports/poll-northern-ireland-eligibility-row-14708795.html

[TrapAPony]

Daniel Devine was one of 30 players to be called into the Irish U-19 training camp last month :

http://www.fai.ie/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=100694:mccaffrey-unveils-u19-squad-for-training-camp&catid=4:under-19&Itemid=12

[Predator]

Yeah, but he was named in the NI U19 squad today: http://www.irishfa.com/the-ifa/news/5548/u19-boys-to-take-on-spain/

I was wondering if he had been included in any ROI match squads. Beaglehole could possibly have named him in the squad, despite him saying he wanted to play for ROI, like Worthington did with Duffy. Maybe there was a breakdown in communication or a mistake. For example, there are two Chris Currans in that NI U19 squad...

[The Fly]

Interestingly, a poll on the Belfast Telegraph is currently in favour of allowing people from the north to play for the Republic, leading some posters around the world wide web to label it as a 'fix!'.

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/other-sports/poll-northern-ireland-eligibility-row-14708795.html

It could well be a 'fix'.............that's if the other poll the Belfast Telegraph just completed is anything to go by. ;)

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/poll-the-future-of-northern-ireland-14721135.html

[ArdeeBhoy]

Those polls are quite amusing, though probably flawed.
Some of their responses, highlight the paranoia mentioned above. And just shows the delusional state of certain people on the island!

[co. down green]

Those polls are quite amusing, though probably flawed.
Some of their responses, highlight the paranoia mentioned above. And just shows the delusional state of certain people on the island!

They started a thread about the poll on Are We A Country. Didn't like they way it was 60/40 in favour yesterday so decided to mess with the figures by using multiple votes. tutt! tutt!

Even explained that if you clear your cookies each time, you can vote as many times as you like.

Very insecure those lads !

[Mr_Parker]

Those polls are quite amusing, though probably flawed.
Some of their responses, highlight the paranoia mentioned above. And just shows the delusional state of certain people on the island!

Flawed? Much more than that. All you do is clear your cookies and vote again!

[ArdeeBhoy]

Mr.P.
As I'm sure yer familiar with elections in the North, multiple voting there is not exactly a new phenomenon.....
But doesn't stop the 'results' being a reason to smile. Especially, as CDG says, the losers did the best to fix it in their favour! Which just shows the weakness of their 'argument'.

[SkStu]

Ronnie O'Brien: Time Magazine Man of the Century

that is all :wink:

[geysir]

That OWC couldn't hit a barn door from 5m.
Can't even win a rigged vote on their own doorstep.

[tetsujin1979]

the issue of replacing God Save The Queen was debated on Off The Ball last night with of the Kenny Donaldson, UUP spokesman on the community and voluntary sector, it's on the playback service at http://media.newstalk.ie/

[EalingGreen]

That OWC couldn't hit a barn door from 5m.
Can't even win a rigged vote on their own doorstep.
That's one interpretation, I suppose; another might be that when it comes to rigging these things, OWC members are not so adept or practiced as their opponents. Or even that with around 1,000 (?) reasonably active posters from a total membership of a few thousand, OWC's "circulation" is drastically lower than that of the Belfast Telegraph.

Either way, that (Tony O'Reilly-controlled) Bellylaugh poll has about as much credibility as eg this Poll by your National Broadcaster:
http://www.rte.ie/tv/irelandsgreatest/

I mean to say, Ronan Keating and Stephen Gately?

What the Hell is wrong with the other Members of the Band?

As both a musical genius and a thespian of Olivier proportions, Keith Duffy is a veritable Renaissance Man, yet he doesn't get a mention!

I am reminded of the phrase by James Joyce, where he characterised Ireland as being like "The old Sow that eats its own Farrow" - not that that nonentity deserves to be in such a Poll...

[EalingGreen]

the issue of replacing God Save The Queen was debated on Off The Ball last night with of the Kenny Donaldson, UUP spokesman on the community and voluntary sector, it's on the playback service at http://media.newstalk.ie/Thanks for the alert, but is it available yet? I've checked through the OTB playback schedule and the most recent edition I can find is 18th March. Maybe I'm missing something?

Anyhow, for anyone interested, OWC ran two Polls on the topic of replacing GSTQ as the NI footballing anthem last year and with a healthy response of about 700-odd voters in each, returned a clear 2:1 majority in favour of change.

This exercise is being repeated at the moment, and with 326 votes cast so far, the response is 236 (= 76.4%) to 77 (=23.6%) in favour of............













...replacing GSTQ.

Therefore if this indicates anything about the mindset of your average OWC member, it is that by a 3:1 majority (and rising?), we must all be implacable, Loyalist Bigots (or "small-minded refusniks", as one poster on here so charmingly phrased it) :rolleyes:

[geysir]

a bit more accurate guidance to the Newstalk OTB program.
http://media.newstalk.ie/listenback/

off the ball - monday - part 3
from 30mins on to 40 mins approx
Interview with Kenny Donaldson, a cheerful chap who states in the interview that he is a practicing Unionist :confused:
He says that the atmosphere at WP has radically changed from what it was some years ago.

Did he also say "Phil the Coulter" ?
a sort of a Percy French slip of the tongue.

[Wolfie]

Thanks for the alert, but is it available yet? I've checked through the OTB playback schedule and the most recent edition I can find is 18th March. Maybe I'm missing something?

Anyhow, for anyone interested, OWC ran two Polls on the topic of replacing GSTQ as the NI footballing anthem last year and with a healthy response of about 700-odd voters in each, returned a clear 2:1 majority in favour of change.

This exercise is being repeated at the moment, and with 326 votes cast so far, the response is 236 (= 76.4%) to 77 (=23.6%) in favour of............













...replacing GSTQ.

Therefore if this indicates anything about the mindset of your average OWC member, it is that by a 3:1 majority (and rising?), we must all be implacable, Loyalist Bigots (or "small-minded refusniks", as one poster on here so charmingly phrased it) :rolleyes:

Interesting. Might be time to set up a poll for what you'd replace it with?

Teenage Kicks? How cool an anthem would that be!!!

[EalingGreen]

Ah, I suppose it's to be expected. I'm 'on thin ice' now though; I've been accused of lying and uttering 'half-truths' and some posters suspect I work for the FAI and I'm scouring the forum looking for players who would be susceptible to 'poaching' because I started the thread on Shane Duffy on here - oh the powers of deduction (paranoia?).
Imo you're being highly disingenuous with that interpretation of your experience on OWC, Predator.

For when, following a period of "lurking", you first started posting on the Board (around the France play-off), you received little or no adverse comment. However, when you took exception to some (only some, btw) of the response to the Duffy defection, your attitude visibly hardened.

Now that's fair enough, except that a hardening of attitude in response to what you consider to be unreasonable remarks is one thing. It is quite another when you descend to petty, even risible, argument* to try to bolster your case.

When you did that, you should not be surprised if people began to consider you a troll.

P.S. You may not be aware of it, but one of the posters with whom you have had the strongest run-ins is actually a fellow Donegal man. However, unlike you, he supports a local club team (Harps), not one from another county (country?) at all...


* - For those who don't know, Predator strongly defended the motives, manner and timing of Duffy's switch, which is fair enough. Except that when presented with clearly contradictory and damning evidence of Duffy/his Da saying one thing, whilst simultaneously doing something quite different, rather than withdrawing gracefully, Predator tried to rely on the "defence" that the guy posting on OWC as "Duffs" was not in fact who he claimed to be (Duffy's Da). Pathetic, really...


Some posters even suggested that non-Northern Ireland fans should not be allowed to use the forum in light of posts from Danny Invincible, AdiosAndytown? and myself. Sure, why don't the admins at foot.ie refuse entry to EalingGreen, Gather round and Not Brazil etc. since they're not Republic of Ireland supporters? Oh wait, that's right, because it's silly.
You said it, Predator, "some" posters. In my experience (admittedly limited to a bare handful of MB's), every such forum has its share of "silly" posters, including this one.

Indeed, I have had exactly the same reaction here i.e. "what are you even doing on this Board?" etc. Imo, the proper reaction is to stand your ground and make your point (ideally without resorting to the sort of weak or "silly" argument you employ, when backed into a corner)




You are dead right too. It is annoying when they complain about this perceived 'defacto sectarian poaching policy'* and then argue that cases such as Norwood's or whatever are different and excusable. On top of that, their fans are outright denying that a player would ever approach the FAI to declare for them, making it out like the FAI are acting shady and kidnapping Catholic children in the North and brainwashing them into wanting to play for the Republic.

*I'd love to know how they come to this conclusion.Speaking of "silly", why can you not see that the likes of eg Norwood and Gibson are different in one crucial aspect, namely that Norwood has grandparents born within the jurisdiction of the Association he wishes to represent, whilst Gibson does not. The correct comparison with Norwood should be the likes of James McCarthy, or your beloved Shane Duffy, both of whom comply with the (ancestral/residential) eligibility requirements imposed on every other single footballer on the planet who wishes to represent an Association within whose jurisdiction he was not born.

As for the de facto sectarian nature of the FAI's recruitment policy, as every new case of defection emerges, the incontrovertible fact that they are exclusively from the Nationalist/Catholic community, combined with the equally incontrovertible evidence of the FAI being prepared to make the first approach, points ever more directly to the point that they are only offering opportunities to one community in NI.

Which, considering the FAI's deceit over "not making the first approach", makes sense i.e. if they were to approach promising youngsters from the Unionist/Protestant community, they would risk being turned down flat, and their activities being exposed for all to see.

Still, we're the bigots in all this...

[tetsujin1979]

Thanks for the alert, but is it available yet? I've checked through the OTB playback schedule and the most recent edition I can find is 18th March. Maybe I'm missing something?It's definitely there, I was listening to it myself this morning. I listened to it a few times to get his name and position correct
Kenny states right at the start that this is his personal opinion and not that of the UUP

Click "Listen Back"
Scroll down to Off The Ball, and select it
Click Monday 22nd
It's in Part 3, about 30 minutes in

Anyhow, for anyone interested, OWC ran two Polls on the topic of replacing GSTQ as the NI footballing anthem last year and with a healthy response of about 700-odd voters in each, returned a clear 2:1 majority in favour of change.

This exercise is being repeated at the moment, and with 326 votes cast so far, the response is 236 (= 76.4%) to 77 (=23.6%) in favour of............

...replacing GSTQ.

Therefore if this indicates anything about the mindset of your average OWC member, it is that by a 3:1 majority (and rising?), we must all be implacable, Loyalist Bigots (or "small-minded refusniks", as one poster on here so charmingly phrased it) :rolleyes:
Might be a different result if they followed Kenny's suggestion!

[geysir]

It's definitely there, I was listening to it myself this morning. I listened to it a few times to get his name and position correct
Kenny states right at the start that this is his personal opinion and not that of the UUP

Click "Listen Back"
Scroll down to Off The Ball, and select it
Click Monday 22nd
It's in Part 3, about 30 minutes in

You are not delusional Tets
I have already given the link for Listen Back (http://media.newstalk.ie/listenback/)

The problem for some might be where to find 'listen back' on the newstalk site as there is no obvious link.
The 'listen back' link can be found at the bottom of the home page under 'Most Popular'

[EalingGreen]

a bit more accurate guidance to the Newstalk OTB program.
http://media.newstalk.ie/listenback/

off the ball - monday - part 3
from 30mins on to 40 mins approx
Interview with Kenny Donaldson, a cheerful chap who states in the interview that he is a practicing Unionist :confused:
He says that the atmosphere at WP has radically changed from what it was some years ago.

Did he also say "Phil the Coulter" ?
a sort of a Percy French slip of the tongue.

Thanks for that - I shall give it a listen when I've a mo.

As for Kenny Donaldson, by "practising" Unionist, I think he meant "active" i.e. as the UUP's Spokesman on the Community and Voluntary section, he is actually an office bearer.

And he is well qualified to remark on the "radical changes" which have been made to the atmosphere at WP, since he is a regular NI fan. In this respect, he is very different from eg Jim Allister (Traditional Unionist Voice), Ian Paisley Jr. (DUP) and David McNarry (UUP spokesman on Sport), all of whom are now rushing to the barricades to defend the playing of GSTQ at Windsor, despite their never darkening the doors of the place that any of us fans have ever noticed.

Then again, there is an Election due...

Anyhow, here is another Statement by Donaldson, from his Party's website, which may be of interest:
http://www.uup.org/news/general/general-news-archive/represent-the-country-you-re-born-in.php
Whilst I appreciate that many (all?) of the sentiments expressed may find little favour on this forum, I still think it is rather bold, even brave, for a Unionist politician to speak out against the playing of GSTQ at NI games, at this particular time.
Let's hope his is the voice of the future!

P.S. Re the Phil Coulter slip, I suspect you may be correct, though "Phil the Fluter" was only known for one Ball (singular), unlike "Phil The Coulter", who is pretty much all balls these days...

[EalingGreen]

Interesting. Might be time to set up a poll for what you'd replace it with?

Tbh, one of the earlier Polls did pursue that avenue. However, the problem is that those who would retain GSTQ invariably justify their stance on the basis that there is no concensus on what should replace it.
Which, until the decision is actually made to find a new Anthem, will always be a problem for those of us who are pro-change i.e. if a third support GSTQ, then they only need to split the vote amongst three alternatives in order still to be the largest "choice".
As far as I'm concerned (and a majority of the pro-changers?), we need to establish the principle first, then deal with finding the alternative.




Teenage Kicks? How cool an anthem would that be!!!
Would do for me; in fact, just about anything would do, although I am increasingly being drawn to this particular version of another popular candidate:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCbuRA_D3KU

[SkStu]

i think this would capture the diversity of Northern Ireland and its people - and sung by one of your own.

yOnvZt1ktZw

[Predator]

Imo you're being highly disingenuous with that interpretation of your experience on OWC, Predator.Perhaps so, but I wasn't basing it solely on my own experience. Recently Danny Invincible was suspended from the site for a rather long period following his (in my opinion, reasonable) posts on the thread dedicated to 'Owen''s facebook page, for allegedly holding two accounts through which he supposedly posted 'offensive' comments and made threats. Ask Danny Invincible for the responses he received from his inquiries; they're quite childish.


For when, following a period of "lurking", you first started posting on the Board (around the France play-off), you received little or no adverse comment. However, when you took exception to some (only some, btw) of the response to the Duffy defection, your attitude visibly hardened. I actually did receive quite a bit of adverse comment around the time of the play-off, admittedly from 'some' rather than all. What you're saying is that my attitude 'hardened' because I defended Duffy and others' decision to change, something which was somewhat of a contrarian position on the message-board. I'd actually say that certain posters' attitudes to me (and others, including Danny Invincible) 'hardened'.


Now that's fair enough, except that a hardening of attitude in response to what you consider to be unreasonable remarks is one thing. It is quite another when you descend to petty, even risible, argument* to try to bolster your case.

When you did that, you should not be surprised if people began to consider you a troll.
* - For those who don't know, Predator strongly defended the motives, manner and timing of Duffy's switch, which is fair enough. Except that when presented with clearly contradictory and damning evidence of Duffy/his Da saying one thing, whilst simultaneously doing something quite different, rather than withdrawing gracefully, Predator tried to rely on the "defence" that the guy posting on OWC as "Duffs" was not in fact who he claimed to be (Duffy's Da). Pathetic, really...
You're actually combining two arguments - the compensation one and the 'defection' one.

My arguments were not petty, although I suppose there may be an element of humour somewhere in there. Indeed, while most posters (including my fellow Donegal man, fhtb) were up in arms about the FAI's perceived 'poaching' of Duffy and others, I raised the point that the players who defected were free to and did make first contact with the FAI and I pointed to evidence which clearly shows this to be the case. The only 'refutation' I got was the outcry that Liam Brady had been in contact with Duffy (which was after Duffy and others had contacted the FAI) and the fact that after a trial with Seán McCaffrey's 17s, he continued to play for NI.

In both the argument over compensation and 'defection', posters kept relying on a post from an anonymous character named 'duffs' and I suggested that such information is not something worthy of basing an argument on, since, for all we know 'duffs' could be anyone. I was hardly relying on this; au contraire, many OWC posters were. Perhaps they're the pathetic ones?


P.S. You may not be aware of it, but one of the posters with whom you have had the strongest run-ins is actually a fellow Donegal man. However, unlike you, he supports a local club team (Harps), not one from another county (country?) at all...
I certainly was aware. What point are you trying to make here EG? I know quite a few Donegal men who support Derry. Indeed, many of those who live close to the border do.

You said it, Predator, "some" posters. In my experience (admittedly limited to a bare handful of MB's), every such forum has its share of "silly" posters, including this one.

Indeed, I have had exactly the same reaction here i.e. "what are you even doing on this Board?" etc. Imo, the proper reaction is to stand your ground and make your point (ideally without resorting to the sort of weak or "silly" argument you employ, when backed into a corner)
It's tragic...


Speaking of "silly", why can you not see that the likes of eg Norwood and Gibson are different in one crucial aspect, namely that Norwood has grandparents born within the jurisdiction of the Association he wishes to represent, whilst Gibson does not. The correct comparison with Norwood should be the likes of James McCarthy, or your beloved Shane Duffy, both of whom comply with the (ancestral/residential) eligibility requirements imposed on every other single footballer on the planet who wishes to represent an Association within whose jurisdiction he was not born.
We have a different interpretation of FIFA's rules.

We'll see the CAS appeal goes and whether or not FIFA change their rules.



As for the de facto sectarian nature of the FAI's recruitment policy, as every new case of defection emerges, the incontrovertible fact that they are exclusively from the Nationalist/Catholic community, combined with the equally incontrovertible evidence of the FAI being prepared to make the first approach, points ever more directly to the point that they are only offering opportunities to one community in NI.

Which, considering the FAI's deceit over "not making the first approach", makes sense i.e. if they were to approach promising youngsters from the Unionist/Protestant community, they would risk being turned down flat, and their activities being exposed for all to see.

Still, we're the bigots in all this...
Calling the nature of the FAI's recruitment policy 'de facto sectarian' is ridiculous. You might as well be calling any player from NI who wishes to play for the Republic sectarian. If you want to talk about real sectarianism, we can and it's certainly got nothing to do with the FAI's recruitment policy.

[geysir]

In both the argument over compensation and 'defection', posters kept relying on a post from an anonymous character named 'duffs' and I suggested that such information is not something worthy of basing an argument on, since, for all we know 'duffs' could be anyone. I was hardly relying on this; au contraire, many OWC posters were. Perhaps they're the pathetic ones?

Sounds like it could have progressed into a 'I am Spartacus' moment.

[tetsujin1979]

whoops, missed that geysir

[EalingGreen]

i think this would capture the diversity of Northern Ireland and its people

yOnvZt1ktZw
You're way behind the programme, Stu, waaaaaaaaaaaaaay behind.

You see, Dana was subsequently the singer and co-writer of our Official 1982 World Cup Song, a rousing ditty entitled "Yer Man" - though her Official Website makes no reference to it, surprisingly enough! :D
http://www.dana-music.com/

P.S. Dana's song (starting, from memory, with the line: "When Yer Man gets the Ball") should not be confused with this effort, which itself should not be confused with music:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OL3gZt2FXBU


and sung by one of your own.
Not quite - as Michael Caine would say, "Not a lot of people know" that Dana was actually born in London.
However, she was eligible to sing our World Cup song by virtue of her parents coming from NI - that was before some of you lot tried to poach her to be your President ;)

[SkStu]

Not quite - as Michael Caine would say, "Not a lot of people know" that Dana was actually born in London.
However, she was eligible to sing our World Cup song by virtue of her parents coming from NI - that was before some of you lot tried to poach her to be your President

i actually saw that about her being born in London (on wikipedia when i was researching where she was actually from) and i thought that was even more appropriate considering well, y'know, you all want to be Brits n that ;)

So who better then, than Dana, to bring a divided state together..... :peace: :note:

[ifk101]

As for the de facto sectarian nature of the FAI's recruitment policy, as every new case of defection emerges, the incontrovertible fact that they are exclusively from the Nationalist/Catholic community, combined with the equally incontrovertible evidence of the FAI being prepared to make the first approach, points ever more directly to the point that they are only offering opportunities to one community in NI.

Yet more meandering drivel passed off as fact. The FAI has a reputation of approaching and capping anybody with a pair of football boots and a pulse, regardless of their background. The FAI didn't think twice about capping Alan Kernaghan now did they?



Which, considering the FAI's deceit over "not making the first approach", makes sense i.e. if they were to approach promising youngsters from the Unionist/Protestant community, they would risk being turned down flat, and their activities being exposed for all to see.

Deceit? The FAI regularly has scouts at NI underage internationals. You can't miss them. There're the ones with the letters FAI scribbled all over their jackets. They've nothing to hide and they are doing nothing wrong. As long as those born in NI aren't tied to the NI senior side, they are as much the FAI's players as they are the IFA's players. In fact the IFA is now functioning as a feeder association for the FAI. Get use to it.


Still, we're the bigots in all this...

If you insist....

[geysir]

It's a wrap now, the Belfast Telegraph has concluded its online poll

Poll: Northern Ireland eligibility row
Should footballers born in Northern Ireland be free to play for the Republic?
Yes 54%
No 46%

Belfast Telegraph info
Unlike its London-based stablemate The Independent, the Belfast Telegraph is conservative in outlook. In the context of Northern Irish politics, the Belfast Telegraph attempts to attract readers from across the community, though it is decidedly moderate unionist in outlook

After the failure of the concerted attempt by the OWC to rig the poll, it is predictable that any significance will be demeaned by them post event. I suppose there must be thousands of enemies of the OWC sitting at their computer all day cleaning cookies while the ordinary decent OWC supporter is out helping old ladies cross the road.

[DannyInvincible]

You said it, Predator, "some" posters. In my experience (admittedly limited to a bare handful of MB's), every such forum has its share of "silly" posters, including this one.

But it's always harder to stomach when the "silly" posters are the ones running the place. :)


As for the de facto sectarian nature of the FAI's recruitment policy, as every new case of defection emerges, the incontrovertible fact that they are exclusively from the Nationalist/Catholic community, combined with the equally incontrovertible evidence of the FAI being prepared to make the first approach, points ever more directly to the point that they are only offering opportunities to one community in NI.

Outrageous. Moderators?...

In seriousness though, what a ridiculous accusation. Socio-cultural factors and the landscape of Northern Irish society will naturally dictate that those you find to be declaring for Ireland will, almost wholly, be from a nationalist background. It's self-evident; really very simple. Any dope could tell you that. No need to pretend there's some sinister "poaching" policy to create "football apartheid in Ireland" at play here unless you're trying to make some cheap political point. The same FAI were still governing Irish football back when Ulster Protestant, Alan Kernaghan, lined out for Ireland, you know?

Out of interest, where is this "incontrovertible evidence"? Maybe it does exist; I genuinely don't know.


Which, considering the FAI's deceit over "not making the first approach", makes sense i.e. if they were to approach promising youngsters from the Unionist/Protestant community, they would risk being turned down flat, and their activities being exposed for all to see.

Still, we're the bigots in all this...

What are you talking about? What deceit? Do the FAI officially claim that they don't make a "first approach"? Maybe they do in some cases; maybe they don't in others. Maybe word filters through middle parties, interest is reciprocated and then comes a mutual agreement. As for Shane Duffy, it was my understanding that he long wanted to play for Ireland before the FAI ever got their act together and decided to facilitate his wishes. Besides, why is it even all that relevant who approaches who first? Is it possible you might have to face up to some uncomfortable truths if it were the players who were showing an initiative in these cases so you adamantly maintain that it can't possibly be the case, ever? There's no coercion involved in all of this, you'll be pleased to here; your lads are in good hands. :rolleyes: The player's are offered a choice. Some will take it; some won't. I find the continuing tabloidesque characterisation of the FAI as some sort of vicious child predator on the prowl throughout the land of innocence truly laughable by this stage.

The whole notion of the FAI refraining from contacting a Protestant player for fear of their "activities" might be "exposed" is just plain daft. What's to be exposed? Sure, how could they be so sure some Catholic lad wouldn't "blow the whistle" on them if they even were indeed up to anything shady? I just don't see exactly what the problem is in legitimately facilitating the wishes of northern-borns. Sorry. :)

[ArdeeBhoy]

Some good responses there people, especially our Northern posters.
Even EG's, if only for the comedic 'paranoia' in his response.
Though small beer compared to our favourite MB elsewhere.

[Charlie Darwin]

Am I the only one who doesn't have a problem with the FAI approaching only Catholic/nationalists? What seems to be common sense to me appears to be nothing short of pure evil to some NI supporters.

[DannyInvincible]

P.S. You may not be aware of it, but one of the posters with whom you have had the strongest run-ins is actually a fellow Donegal man. However, unlike you, he supports a local club team (Harps), not one from another county (country?) at all...

Just on this, the city of Derry is as much - if not more so - a locale for much of the population of north-east Donegal as Ballybofey is. This rings especially true for those residing in Inishowen where the distant and seemingly insignificant Ballybofey would rarely even register on their consciousness. Other than maybe when their local club, Derry City, happens to be playing Finn Harps. :)

I'm not sure what sort of point you're trying to make though. Is it an attack on Predator or fhtb, who goes one step further on what you seem to be finding fault with Predator over; he actually supports, not a team from another country, but another country altogether? :confused: Not that I could care, personally, but there appears to be an inconsistency in your point there.

[ArdeeBhoy]

Am I the only one who doesn't have a problem with the FAI approaching only Catholic/nationalists? What seems to be common sense to me appears to be nothing short of pure evil to some NI supporters.

Just go for the whole lot and take anyone who's up for playing. Then their bigots can't make their ridiculous claim of 'sectarianism'. Am surprised they can even spell it, let alone know what it means.....


Is it an attack on Predator or fhtb, who goes one step further on what you seem to be finding fault with Predator over; he actually supports, not a team from another country, but another country altogether?
Hmm, assuming they are a 'country'. Anyway some of that crowd are the masters of Hypocrisy. Leave them to it!

[gspain]

Deceit? The FAI regularly has scouts at NI underage internationals. You can't miss them. There're the ones with the letters FAI scribbled all over their jackets. They've nothing to hide and they are doing nothing wrong. As long as those born in NI aren't tied to the NI senior side, they are as much the FAI's players as they are the IFA's players. In fact the IFA is now functioning as a feeder association for the FAI. Get use to it.
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I very much doubt this is true. The FAI in almost all cases do not make the first approach (Brian Kerr most likely did approach Chris Baird). The scouts thing is most likely paranoia. Any RoI based scouts at NI underage games are almost certainly scouting for cross channel clubs.

[livehead1]

Take whoever wants to play for us. If they see their allegiance with us then that is enough for me. N.I. are bitter and very pi**ed off. I would be of a similar mindset if I was in their position; but the truth is, I am not and thank god for that. Take every last bleeding one of them.

[ifk101]

I very much doubt this is true. The FAI in almost all cases do not make the first approach (Brian Kerr most likely did approach Chris Baird). The scouts thing is most likely paranoia. Any RoI based scouts at NI underage games are almost certainly scouting for cross channel clubs.

Is it not better to encourage the OWC paranoia as it will serve to attract more players to us?

It is clear to anyone willing to step back and look at this objectively that players supposedly poached from NI haven't been poached at all. NI born players that want to play for us have made known their desire to do so and the FAI has acted accordingly. At the end of the day, all the FAI is offering these players is a chance to play international football. This is exactly what the IFA is offering these players. It is the players themselves that make the choice but apparently others chose to ignore this and wish to highlight this as evidence of the de facto sectarian nature in the FAI's recruitment policy.

[DannyInvincible]

It is clear to anyone willing to step back and look at this objectively that players supposedly poached from NI haven't been poached at all. NI born players that want to play for us have made known their desire to do so and the FAI has acted accordingly. At the end of the day, all the FAI is offering these players is a chance to play international football. This is exactly what the IFA is offering these players. It is the players themselves that make the choice but apparently others chose to ignore this and wish to highlight this as evidence of the de facto sectarian nature in the FAI's recruitment policy.

But who can they blame now then? For seeing the players as thinking beings making decisions on their own volition - could it possibly be?! - might expose some uncomfortable home truths, and we can't be having that, good Lord!

[ifk101]

But who can they blame now then? For seeing the players as thinking beings making decisions on their own volition - could it possibly be?! - might expose some uncomfortable home truths, and we can't be having that, good Lord!

Freedom of choice is not an ideal that sits easily with the North Koreans so while they're busy focusing on increased internet censorship and the IFA is focused on begging to CAS, I think the FAI should organise a summer training camp for all players playing with each and every NI underage squad. Let every player know that they are welcome regardless of their background and the door is always open for them (provided they are good enough) to play with us.

[Predator]

Bit of talk here on the idea of an all-Ireland team: http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2010/0324/allirelandsoccer_av.html

[ArdeeBhoy]

Ah sure, you'll only upset the P's mentioning that. What with them being all British, is it, this week???

Bizarrely they seem to be taking great pleasure in Givens's dismissal. And have some strange ditty apparently about their 'own' Steve Beaglehole and a canine's rear end. What odd people they are....

[Charlie Darwin]

Bit of talk here on the idea of an all-Ireland team: http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2010/0324/allirelandsoccer_av.html
Obviously nobody's informed RTE that Real Player hasn't been remotely popular since about 1997.

[DannyInvincible]

Even if there was a will for an all-Ireland team, would FIFA rules actually permit it?

[ArdeeBhoy]

An interesting point, though I have a feeling that would be the least of our worries....
;)

[DannyInvincible]

Irish Footballing Apartheid, eh? :p

[Lionel Ritchie]

Even if there was a will for an all-Ireland team, would FIFA rules actually permit it?

Why wouldn't they? Incidently I don't see it ever happening -not even in the event of an All-Ireland state.

[lopez]

Pathetic, really...
You said it.
Especially these quotes.

'Indeed, I have had exactly the same reaction here i.e. "what are you even doing on this Board?" etc. Imo, the proper reaction is to stand your ground and make your point (ideally without resorting to the sort of weak or "silly" argument you employ, when backed into a corner).'

And then:

'You may not be aware of it, but one of the posters with whom you have had the strongest run-ins is actually a fellow Donegal man. However, unlike you, he supports a local club team (Harps), not one from another county (country?) at all...'

'the de facto sectarian nature of the FAI's recruitment policy, as every new case of defection emerges, the incontrovertible fact that they are exclusively from the Nationalist/Catholic community, combined with the equally incontrovertible evidence of the FAI being prepared to make the first approach, points ever more directly to the point that they are only offering opportunities to one community in NI. Which, considering the FAI's deceit over "not making the first approach", makes sense i.e. if they were to approach promising youngsters from the Unionist/Protestant community, they would risk being turned down flat, and their activities being exposed for all to see.'

Says it all.

[DannyInvincible]

Why wouldn't they? Incidently I don't see it ever happening -not even in the event of an All-Ireland state.

I don't really know. I just assumed that the fact that there is currently no all-Ireland nation state might make things somewhat difficult. But maybe not. I haven't a clue. That's why I was asking. I was having a quick glance through the statutes to see if they contained stipulations on what constituted a "national association" and what criteria an association was required to meet before being granted FIFA membership, but I don't know where to start really or even if I'm looking in the right place. Is there any precedent for it, where a single association has officially represented two or more otherwise sovereign states? The USSR team, maybe? Although that team represented a single political bloc of Soviet republics; not really sovereign entities in their own right. FIFA don't permit entry to every association that applies to them: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-FIFA_football


FIFA is the international governing body of association football, charged with overseeing football globally and with running international representative matches. However, some international football takes place outside of its ratification. This often consists of matches involving sub-national entities such as islands, colonies or autonomous regions.

Admittedly, this prospect of an all-Ireland team is totally different, and seemingly novel in world football, in the sense that I suppose it could be described as a supra-national football team or something, if it were to ever actually happen as things stand currently, politically-speaking. I'm aware that Serbia and Montenegro represented the two independent states at one point in time but that was more out of convenience/necessity due to the fact that Montenegro had only just been granted its independence in the midst of official competition. If I'm not mistaken, the current Serbian team is recognised as that team's successor. How do FIFA decide who should succeed in such cases?

There are two possibilities with regard to the all-Ireland scenario; one is the establishment of a totally new association, which I imagine would be even less popular than the idea of an all-Ireland team itself given the fact both the IFA and FAI would have their historical records wiped and the new entity would have to work its way up the rankings/seedings from the bottom. The other possibility would be one of the current associations subsuming the other, with the records of the association that has taken the other under its wing, so to speak, being treated as the new team's records. I'd imagine there'd be complications arising out of which former entity this team should succeed. I can't see the IFA being too happy to relinquish their history of results. They would, no doubt, feel like their team was being treated as a tag-along of sorts, rather than an association of equivalent status to the FAI, and understandably so. The same would apply to the FAI and Irish fans if the idea of the FAI being subsumed into the IFA was aired. Or maybe I'm mistaken... Who knows? The likelihood of it coming to that is slim, but it's something that has to be thought about by those who are seriously entertaining the idea in the first place.

[third policeman]

[QUOTE=DannyInvincible;1338965]I Is there any precedent for it, where a single association has officially represented two or more otherwise sovereign states? The USSR team, maybe? Although that team represented a single political bloc of Soviet republics; not really sovereign entities in their own right. FIFA don't permit entry to every association that applies to them: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-FIFA_football


Even under the USSR days Ukraine and Belarus had sepearet representation at the UN and Soviet citizens had to show passports when vistiting these two republics. It was part of some wierd post-war settlment that balanced the fact that there were also two US administered dependencies with UN representation (Puerto Rico and somewhere else?). Obviously niether Ukraine nor Belarus has seperate football teams although the USSR did for a time field an entirely Ukrainian team (Dynamo Kiev)

There are of course Associations that do not represent sovereign nations including the 4 "Home Nations" of the UK and Faeroe Islands which is still under Danish sovereignty. I think the brad principle has been conceded that Associations are not necessarily based on sovereign political jurisdictions