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SligoBrewer
30/01/2007, 9:33 PM
Sligo fans are off their heads if they think the team they'll have this season will get even close to what they struggled to do last season.
Pats, on the other hand, have the same manager and a better team.
what has that got to do with anything?
get back look at the rules and agree with me.
bohs til i die
30/01/2007, 9:33 PM
What arrangements do you have in place to accommodate Dublin City FC fans, who were availing of the offer from Shels, to honour their season tickets? :p
;) :)
Eh I think they got enough freebies last year, time to pay up
Peadar
30/01/2007, 9:34 PM
I would only buy a half price bohs ticket so I could sell it to a bohs fan full price.
Any Bohs fan who is dumb enough to buy anything off a Shels fan, is probably dumb enough to play well over the odds for it.
Worth a try anyway. :D
bohs til i die
30/01/2007, 9:34 PM
The truest wealth is that of understanding.
I would only buy a half price bohs ticket so I could sell it to a bohs fan full price.
I'd gladly take that if it meant Shels were gone
Réiteoir
30/01/2007, 9:34 PM
What arrangements do you have in place to accommodate Dublin City FC fans, who were availing of the offer from Shels, to honour their season tickets? :p
If they produce both Season Tickets then they will get a Quarter-Price season ticket for the only club left on the Northside (apart from Rovers - who hopefully soon enough will be back to the Southside)
Peadar
30/01/2007, 9:38 PM
Aren't there rules about wumming?:rolleyes:
I love the way everyone around here cries "WUM" when someone expresses an opinion which the don't like. The truth hurts! You've lost your manager and your key players.
Brewer, the rules don't mention a club pulling out.
I do know though that, each association gets to pick who is invited.
The FAI didn't pick you.
The ''WUM'' crying is usually involving you!
The truth doesn't hurt.Having to drive through Roscommon, now that hurts.
Réiteoir
30/01/2007, 9:41 PM
what has that got to do with anything?
get back look at the rules and agree with me.
Don't worry about it - you've got a nice run in the FA Trophy to look forward to...
Ah wait ;) ...
Anyway - as has been stated before - the SSC is an INVITATIONAL tournament- meaning they can invite who the heck they like.
This is an extraordinary situation - in this instance they can chose to interpret their own regs as they see fit. As they see it - Shels aren't the League Champions and therefore DC get upgraded meaning the Cup runners up go in. Maybe they are pre-empting the FAI who may strip Shels of the title this year due to the problems and then remove them from the League.
Can't have a Champions League single entrant from an association who isn't actually a Champion of their League - meaning for UEFA purposes Derry would be recognised as the League of Ireland Champions for 2006 - the FAI might ratify this and award them the trophy for last season
Réiteoir
30/01/2007, 9:43 PM
and any more posts crying the Internet equivalent of "J'Accuse" (aka WUM) shall be deleted.
Peadar
30/01/2007, 9:44 PM
Anyway - as has been stated before - the SSC is an INVITATIONAL tournament- meaning they can invite who the heck they like.
This is an extraordinary situation...
Finally, someone else seeing the trees for the forest!
Well, if it is an invitational, then why not invite Bohs for the heck of it?Great fun to be had.
SligoBrewer
30/01/2007, 9:47 PM
Don't worry about it - you've got a nice run in the FA Trophy to look forward to...
Ah wait ;) ... 2 games in hand mate, if we win them were in 2nd:eek:
Anyway - as has been stated before - the SSC is an INVITATIONAL tournament- meaning they can invite who the heck they like.
This is an extraordinary situation - in this instance they can chose to interpret their own regs as they see fit. As they see it - Shels aren't the League Champions and therefore DC get upgraded meaning the Cup runners up go in. Maybe they are pre-empting the FAI who may strip Shels of the title this year due to the problems and then remove them from the League.
Can't have a Champions League single entrant from an association who isn't actually a Champion of their League - meaning for UEFA purposes Derry would be recognised as the League of Ireland Champions for 2006 - the FAI might ratify this and award them the trophy for last season
shels are still in europe.
shels still have the title.
shels are still a functioning club.
who wont play europe til when:rolleyes:
Réiteoir
30/01/2007, 9:47 PM
The ''WUM'' crying is usually involving you!
The truth doesn't hurt.Having to drive through Roscommon, now that hurts.
Surely the state of the N5 isn't THAT bad? :D
SligoBrewer
30/01/2007, 9:48 PM
Well, if it is an invitational, then why not invite Bohs for the heck of it?Great fun to be had.
thered be a good sligo rovers fanbase there anyways:p
Réiteoir
30/01/2007, 9:49 PM
Well, if it is an invitational, then why not invite Bohs for the heck of it?Great fun to be had.
Nah - we'll earn the right to next season - don't you worry
SB: I said TROPHY - not Conference (ah the irony is somewhat lost now - just like Burton down at St George's Lane earlier on this month)
Peadar
30/01/2007, 9:51 PM
Surely the state of the N5 isn't THAT bad? :D
It probably is when you drive around on this... (http://www.hat.net/album/south_america/patagonia/013_el_calafete/11150008_old_tractor.jpg) :D
Réiteoir
30/01/2007, 9:53 PM
shels are still in europe.
shels still have the title.
shels are still a functioning club.
who wont play europe til when:rolleyes:
Looks like the FAI are calling in Shels to examine the accounts.
If they find the mismanagement that is there then they are within the rights to revoke the Licence
They have at the moment - ONE senior player on the books and practically NIL coaching staff
UEFA won't be as lax as the FAI when it comes to awarding a UEFA Licence - I'm confident that at this point in time - Shels will be struggling to actually start this season in any form (as the Setanta withdrawal has shown) and sure as hell WON'T be in the Champions League draw come July.
Point, Water, BANG
Réiteoir
30/01/2007, 9:54 PM
It probably is when you drive around on this... (http://www.hat.net/album/south_america/patagonia/013_el_calafete/11150008_old_tractor.jpg) :D
Wonder where I'd parked that...
Yeah Paedar, the CIE coaches are terrible these days.I blame the government.
your point?
rather than just a random comment, why not counter my arguement?
My point was that rules change, and according to the FAI we're in thanks to the rules. And they're more reliable than Fintan
mcgonigle
30/01/2007, 10:15 PM
Anybody who wants a club to fold is not a real football fan...
This league needs as many teams as it can get
Peadar
30/01/2007, 10:23 PM
Bitter rivalry is part and parcel of being a football fan.
It's what has made some of the Dublin derbies so memorable.
I can understand fans of other Dublin clubs not shedding a tear over Shels.
Dr.Nightdub
30/01/2007, 10:23 PM
shels are still a functioning club.
That one line alone just destroyed what shreds of credibility were clinging to your 40 or 50 previous posts in this thread.
Anyway, we're in, youse aren't. That'll teach youse to go scoring last minute winners against us. What a day for paybacks - we get Shels' place in a money-spinning tournament, we annoy the hell out of Sligo, anyone else need their karma sorted out? :D
charliesboots
30/01/2007, 10:25 PM
Any club who has cheated every other team in the league by assembling a squad they could not afford and in doing so denied other clubs of their players and forced clubs to offer higher wages in an attempt to compete doesn't deserve the sympathy of those other clubs.
There are some Shels fans I sympathise for....I wish they would get off their arse and do something though rather than be caught in the headlights as they are now.
Dr.Nightdub
30/01/2007, 10:27 PM
It'll be a sad, sad day for the LoI if Shels aren't around to be slaughtered and gloated at next season.
bohs til i die
30/01/2007, 10:27 PM
Anybody who wants a club to fold is not a real football fan...
This league needs as many teams as it can get
Im a Bohs fan, not a Shels fan or a football fan. Ollie Byrne gets slated every time he threatens or takes legal action to get his/Shels own way when there is a contentious issue but when they are about to vanish off the face of the earth everybody starts crying about it.
If Shels didnt exist over the last few years, or if they lived within their means then Cork or Derry would have won the titles and would possibly have made inroads in Europe
If Shels go out of business, then so be it. The brought it upon themselves, end of. Nobody forced them to spend themselves into €12,230,000 worth of debt and it will be criminal if they arent in the First Division at best for the next 5 years.
bohs til i die
30/01/2007, 10:28 PM
It'll be a sad, sad day for the LoI if Shels aren't around to be slaughtered and gloated at next season.
Thats about he only regret I'd have if they are not around ever again.
Peadar
30/01/2007, 10:28 PM
I think I'd pack in eL football, if City ever fold.
Don't think I could ever invest so much time and emotion in another club.
BohsPartisan
30/01/2007, 10:29 PM
Anybody who wants a club to fold is not a real football fan...
you're right. Real fans try to set fire to the offces of the national association! :p
stevieontour
30/01/2007, 10:30 PM
I'd gladly take that if it meant Shels were gone
This is why we look on you guys as the Scum that you are.
charliesboots
30/01/2007, 10:30 PM
it will be criminal if they arent in the First Division at best for the next 5 years.
speaking of criminal does anybody know who the other director of Accolade Limited is (presume Ollie is one)? reckless trading charges are surely a possibility??
Philo
30/01/2007, 10:31 PM
Anybody who wants a club to fold is not a real football fan...
This league needs as many teams as it can get
I thought you lot would love to see Dublin lose a club? If Shels go under, Dundalk will be one step closer to promotion and only Waterford will stand in your way.
Note to WUFC: don't open any unexpected parcels bearing Louth post marks.
bohs til i die
30/01/2007, 10:31 PM
I think I'd pack in eL football, if City ever fold.
Don't think I could ever invest so much time and emotion in another club.
Peadar you'll always be welcome at Bohs. Sure your a closet-gypsy as it is.
BohsPartisan
30/01/2007, 10:34 PM
This is why we look on you guys as the Scum that you are.
Cheerio, cheerio, cheerio...
:p
Gareth
30/01/2007, 10:57 PM
After 4 posts, he is not very closet anymore.
As for your all wishing Shels will go out of business, well the feasting on others misery will only lead to indigestion.
Soper
30/01/2007, 11:05 PM
I don't want to see your club go out of business, I want it to be taken over by the fans and run properly
bad mongo
30/01/2007, 11:15 PM
I don't want to see your club go out of business, I want it to be taken over by the fans and run properly
No excuses, no sympathy. Bye bye Shels-it's a tight marketplace out there and one less competit.r for future football support in the capital is welcome.
And please spare us any guff about history or heritage. not one reasoned, impassioned supporters led initiative to even open a reasoned debate on the tenure of oily to the general shels support base .
Totop it all off it looks like ollie defrauded and/or reneged on agreements negotiaited with the corpo regarding the terms by which he was allowed to exchange his sporting amenity sub-lease (AFA the corpo is concerned the Donnelly company name is still on the deeds) for cash for a new ground of some description. I am outraged by this as an ordinary citizen, not as an pernicious EL aficionado.
In the immortal words of Dee Dee Ramone-GLAD TO SEE YOU GO GO GO GO GOODBYE!
wexfordned
30/01/2007, 11:44 PM
I am a big believer in Karma. What goes around comes around & for Shelbourne payback its time.
Ollie/Shelbourne fans should have kown what was coming. There was no way the squad's wage bill they have had for the last few years acould have even come close matching their match night/sponsorship income but hey lets live the dream, champions league here we come.
Maybe Bohs could play shels in a pre-season friendly. That would guarantee a big turn out. We could have our own SSC.
The Save Shelbourne Classic: Shelbourne (aka Alan Moore) v Bohemians.
We could probably loan you a few players for the night as well as the club more than likely won't enough fans over 18 to make up the numbers.
pineapple stu
31/01/2007, 12:07 AM
So that site is flawed is it - I'm sure pineapple stu will adjudicate.
Ooooh - do I get to adjudicate here too? :p
For what it's worth, I was told (way before any of this blew up) by an FAI official that the rules concerning Setanta and European quailfication differed with regards the Cup runners-up spot - yes, Pat's would get in Europe as Cup runners-up if Derry won the double, but they wouldn't get the Setanta. Ditto the League Cup (although as Alan/Tommy pointed out, UCD were f***ed over last year as the decision was made as late as possible to benefit Shels).
On Shels, I'm amazed they've pulled out of what is pretty much free money. I can only assume that they've jumped before they were pushed (on licence grounds), and that maybe there's going to be more announcements concerning their licence soon?
Pure speculation though.
And they're more reliable than Fintan
I don't know if the FAI are any more reliable than Fintan - they both say what suits them. However, the FAI do make the rules, which puts them at an advantage...
LukeO
31/01/2007, 12:18 AM
...anyone else need their karma sorted out? :D
No, Harpal Singh will be looking after our korma this season...
David
31/01/2007, 12:19 AM
David
The reason people have little sympathy for Shels is simple. They were spending money that everybody knew they hadnt got, they were spending money taking every issue that went against them to arbitration/court/tribunal in order to win the titles, they spent money trying to keep players even though they werent paying them [and losing a fortune at the same time] and they have the most gullible bunch of idiots supporting them who had too much faith in Ollie Byrne and were not prepared to believe what everyone told them over the past 5 years.
In May 2005, a group of Shels fans held up a banner with "J€A£OU$" written on it because they had signed 3 Bohs players they couldnt afford. I wonder who is Jealous now.
If what I am hearing is true, next season's fixture list wont contain Shelbourne. I for one wont shed a tear although I will regret not having one last chance to gloat.
As Bohs Partisan says elwewhere, a few more team north and south of the border and we'll have an all-Ireland league before w eknow it, bring it on.
I can fully understand where you are coming from mate but being merely an interested observer from a distance I do not get the same sense of rivalry and depth of feeling that you guys have. I can appreciate what you are saying though as there was a similar situation up here with Coleraine and to a lesser extent Ards, both who were living beyond their means, enticing players from clubs and in Ards case even selling their ground to do so, but both failing to get any success with Ards rapidly heading towards oblivion and still homeless. However in both situations I felt sorry for the genuine supporters who do not make such decisions, merely go along week in week out to support their team.
OneRedArmy
31/01/2007, 12:23 AM
This whole episode makes me feel like the kid in the Fast Show sketch who jumped around shouting "Brilliaaaaannnttt" at the top of his voice.
The whole Sligo v Pats issue doesn`t really interest me, but if past behaviour is an accurate barometer, the rulebook probably had nothing to do with the decision.
dcfcsteve
31/01/2007, 12:37 AM
and any more posts crying the Internet equivalent of "J'Accuse" (aka WUM) shall be deleted.
Who's Jack Hughes......? :confused:
Is he a WUM...?
:D
So is this the official, lets all hope Shels die thread? We've loads of them on the Pats MB, but then we've more reason than most to...
floatinghoop
31/01/2007, 7:01 AM
So is this the official, lets all hope Shels die thread? We've loads of them on the Pats MB, but then we've more reason than most to...
In that case, then I hope they don't die. I don't want them in Europe next season and if there were irregularities with their licencing application then I want them relegated, but that would be in their own interests anyway. Shels is a real club, not a franchise, and they have given me some great games of football to watch over the years.
In that case, then I hope they don't die. I don't want them in Europe next season and if there were irregularities with their licencing application then I want them relegated, but that would be in their own interests anyway. Shels is a real club, not a franchise, and they have given me some great games of football to watch over the years.
I've no problem with any other club on this island. Just Shels. I've no problem with anybody wishing them well (as many have here and elsewhere)
I don't want to see your club go out of business, I want it to be taken over by the fans and run properly
Thats the way I would like to see shels go too.
A face
31/01/2007, 7:32 AM
I think I'd pack in eL football, if City ever fold.
Don't think I could ever invest so much time and emotion in another club.
Yeah right, you'd be down Colemans park faster than the rest of us :p
Best of luck to Pats, we in the west know how great it feels to be "invited" into a competition !!!!!! :D
Best of luck to Pats, we in the west know how great it feels to be "invited" into a competition !!!!!! :D
Strange feeling last night alright.
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