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Brigader
20/02/2007, 6:25 PM
As a side-point, this season and next may turn-out to be a bit of a golden era for the First Division.
They had bigger than usual crowds throughout the division in 2006 with Rovers down there, and now with Shels in the First they're probably likely to attract bigger than usual crowds again across 2007. Add in the fact that Sligo generated good crowds towards the end of the 2005 season, and the high level of competition for Promotion we've had over the last few years, and this will probably be the best supported era for the First since City were there in 1985-87.
This has to be the FAI's thinkin for puttin us there then! ;) :(
Fcukin gutted... hope somethin swings back in favour in next few days/wks.
Shels Forever... :mad:
BohsPartisan
20/02/2007, 8:20 PM
Shels Forever...
Once upon a time you dressed so fine
You threw the bums a dime in your prime, didnt you?
Peopled call, say, beware doll, youre bound to fall
You thought they were all kiddin you
You used to laugh about
Everybody that was hangin out
Now you dont talk so loud
Now you dont seem so proud
About having to be scrounging for your next meal.
How does it feel
How does it feel
To be without a home
Like a complete unknown
Like a rolling stone?
Bob, a true prophet! :D
Originally Posted by kdjaC
Pats went from 25-1 to 14-1 to 10 - 1 to 6- 1 this week
I have them at all of the above
A real waste of money since they are still 11/1 on pp!!!
Still 6-1 :confused:
But we signed Arkins last night maybe its cos of him :D
kdjac
CollegeTillIDie
20/02/2007, 9:42 PM
This has to be the FAI's thinkin for puttin us there then! ;) :(
Fcukin gutted... hope somethin swings back in favour in next few days/wks.
Shels Forever... :mad:
Better to have a First Division team to support; than your club to go bust !!!!
superblues
20/02/2007, 10:05 PM
Still 6-1 :confused:
But we signed Arkins last night maybe its cos of him :D
kdjac
If ya log into paddy powers now ur guaranteed 11/1. been that all night!! Unless my computer knows something yours doesnt:D :
Lim till i die
20/02/2007, 10:06 PM
One thing bothering me about this whole Shels situation:
If everythings as bad as it seems what in the name of God is entitling them to a first division licence :confused:
higgins
21/02/2007, 12:11 AM
OK, here's my (conspiracy) theory
FAI tell Shels they're going to revoke the license at First Instance Committee, therefore appearing to be stamping down on this sort of thing. But inform Shels they can appeal. Effectively giving Shels another week to pay the wages. In the meantime Ollie signs deal with Kilkenny et al, clears the offending players wages debt and obtains premier license.
FAI are seen to be "serious about licensing" but still giving Shels every change to sort themselves out. I expect that next Monday Shels will be confirmed for premier division with Waterford in the first.
The European license is another story altogether
You're wrong with your theory.
higgins
21/02/2007, 12:12 AM
One thing bothering me about this whole Shels situation:
If everythings as bad as it seems what in the name of God is entitling them to a first division licence :confused:
'With Conditions'
Go work it out...
You're wrong with your theory.
**** off Scully! Your logic ain't wanted here...
One of the licencsing committee has resigned as he was unhappy at Shels been awarded a first division license. It was on Galway Bay FM this morning (Can't remember his name, but he is from Tuam in Co Galway)
BohsPartisan
21/02/2007, 7:46 AM
Did he think there should have been no licence at all? Or did he think they should get a premier one?
No licence at all is the impression I got
Yes he felt they shouldnt have received a licence and from the papers this morning they mighnt be able to meet the conditions attached to their 1St Division Licence the main one being a Tax Clearence Certificate.
Réiteoir
21/02/2007, 8:49 AM
Yes he felt they shouldnt have received a licence and from the papers this morning they mighnt be able to meet the conditions attached to their 1St Division Licence the main one being a Tax Clearence Certificate.
Like a man with diahorrea - this could run and run...
Indeed. The thick plottens once more.
finnpark
21/02/2007, 9:34 AM
Shels are gone. They still ahve no manager, no players and no money. Tax clearance and 6M euro in debt aside they cannot play in the 1st division this season.
The Chairman of the Licensing committee resigned after they were awarded a 1st div license as they fail on everything on the criteria.
I assume that St Pats get the UEFA spot that Derry had?
higgins
21/02/2007, 9:51 AM
Why did he resign if we're gone anyway ?
Why did he resign if we're gone anyway ?
Because he felt giving you a license in that case was wrong. Makes sense to me.
higgins
21/02/2007, 10:16 AM
If you heard Gary Brown last night on Des Cahill, they have more or less put us out of business with these conditions anyway, so he got his wish!
I don't think the fact it didn't happen the day he wanted is much to complain about.
Thought he could take some delight in us dying a slow painful death over the coming weeks!
Do others agree Shels should be put out of the league ?
The reason for no players by the way is that it's not going to happen until we are told we are ok. We could have players and a manager coming in now if the FAI would allow things but to employ people on the basis of these conditions is not very smart.
We seemed to have lied about our debts to get a premier license. We have a deal in place to pay off the critical debts and run a team for the 2007 EL season while we build some structures.
Do you not think it's unfair we're being put out of business ?
We're not asking anyone to pay our debts for us, we will work them off and complete the sale of our ground to pay the rest.
Shelbourne has been f**ked over by you know who for the past few years but at a time when we want to run things properly it seems we are not allowed to ?
I understand everyone elses hatred of Shels. Our success coupled with our owner was never a great combination but to put a club out of business who is intent on getting in line and has been around for 112 years is shocking.
Ollie is out of the picture now so I really can't see us carrying on as before.
Why not give us a set of conditions for next season and allow the people there this season to go about meeting those?
The punishment to me does not fit the crime.
If they go down this road then anytime a club with history fecks up they will be out the door. Going from Champions to the first and seeing your club in massive debts with no real home doesn't seem to be enough. Take the last title off us if they have to. Take them all off us if they want! but wanting Shelbourne out of business is very unfair...
BohsPartisan
21/02/2007, 10:21 AM
It does and it doesn't. Are they deliberately putting Shelbourne out of business or are they just adhering to their own rules, for the first time where Shelbourne are concerned? I agree it would be preferable if a club with so much history did not go out of business but does the fault lie at the door of the licencing committee or with Shelbourne FC?
(By the way thats a rhetorical question)
Dodge
21/02/2007, 10:22 AM
Do others agree Shels should be put out of the league ?
yes, and everyone involved prosecuted for reckless trading
Do you not think it's unfair we're being put out of business ?
How, specifically, are you now being allowed to trade?
Shelbourne has been f**ked over by you know who for the past few years but at a time when we want to run things properly it seems we are not allowed to ?
How?
but wanting Shelbourne out of business is very unfair...
Tough...
Dodge
21/02/2007, 10:23 AM
Oh and one more thing...
"rules are rules"
OneRedArmy
21/02/2007, 10:26 AM
"They" didn't do anything, Ollie put you out of business and the fans appear to have taken no material action to right the ship.
You have been thrown a lifeline by apparently being granted a First Division license when you haven't actually complied with its requirements.
By rights you should have gone the way of Limerick FC. Tough indeed, but true.
So instead of the victim complex, you are lucky to be still in football!
OneRedArmy
21/02/2007, 10:27 AM
Oh and one more thing...
"rules are rules"You've been saving that one for a while!:D
Dodge
21/02/2007, 10:28 AM
Nearly 5 years now
Raheny Red
21/02/2007, 10:35 AM
Shels are gone. They still ahve no manager, no players and no money.
From today's Star:
Meanwhile, Shelbourne coach Mick Neville - who has been taking training in recent weeks - believes the decision works in the club's favour as it seeks to tackle debts of almost €12m and to relocate to Santry Stadium by selling Tolka Park. "It's not the end of the world if we are playing in the First Division. We have a young squad of players at the club and the club is very strong at under-age level".
Student Mullet
21/02/2007, 10:40 AM
I might be in the minority here but I don't want to see another club go bust.
If they don't meet the requirements for a License they shouldn't have one but if they're chucked out at this late stage, there's no chance that a club will be found to replace them so I don't see why they shouldn't be allowed enter an amateur team simply to keep their history alive in the hope that they'll sort themselves out when Tolka is sold. Afterall, Shams played for a year with no license.
I might be in the minority here but I don't want to see another club go bust.
If they don't meet the requirements for a License they shouldn't have one but if they're chucked out at this late stage, there's no chance that a club will be found to replace them so I don't see why they shouldn't be allowed enter an amateur team simply to keep their history alive in the hope that they'll sort themselves out when Tolka is sold. Afterall, Shams played for a year with no license.
Agree with all that.
BohsPartisan
21/02/2007, 10:56 AM
I don't think anyone "wants" to see another club go bust but most of us point out that Shels have no one to blame for this but themselves.
WeAreRovers
21/02/2007, 10:58 AM
If you heard Gary Brown last night on Des Cahill,
Gary Brown, Ollie Byrne, Finbar Flood, Andy Byrne, Ossie Killkenny. How many more will there be? You lot have stood by and watched this happen as a succession of chancers, spoofers, crooks and developers have decided how to proceed.
You should be ashamed at the lack of action by your fanbase. Even now some Shels fans think you should be in the Premier FFS. You have done NOTHING to stop this and don't deserve a club to follow.
KOH
charliesboots
21/02/2007, 11:16 AM
Gary Brown, Ollie Byrne, Finbar Flood, Andy Byrne, Ossie Killkenny. How many more will there be? You lot have stood by and watched this happen as a succession of chancers, spoofers, crooks and developers have decided how to proceed.
You should be ashamed at the lack of action by your fanbase. Even now some Shels fans think you should be in the Premier FFS. You have done NOTHING to stop this and don't deserve a club to follow.
KOH
agree, ****ing disgraceful that the fans have sat back over the past 4 weeks and not even worked on a plan B just in case the worst happened. If Shels went bust next week the fans have had 4/5 weeks to prepare and alternative club and be ready to submit a licensing application for the First Division.
Tenderloins
21/02/2007, 11:22 AM
It really is a mess. I wonder though is much of this Gary Brown trying to get a few quid out of Ossie Kilkenny very quickly.
What odds on them being let back in the league next year if they choose to leave?
What happens Tolka if they fold?
WeAreRovers
21/02/2007, 11:34 AM
What happens Tolka if they fold?
Don't worry about that. ;)
KOH
Jamjar
21/02/2007, 11:43 AM
There hasn't been much said of Ossie Kilkennys role in all this. He seems to be the one that benefits most. He's been providing bridging capital for the last 3 seasons and has offered to fund this season also. The money to be drawn down from the value of any future sale of Tolka. How does all this sit with his positon as chairman of the Irish sports council ?
chippie0001
21/02/2007, 11:48 AM
Sorry Higgins, I must have missed something, what are the conditions that has effectively put you out of business? I thought you had a division 1 licence and would be in that division next year.
For what its worth, I would not like to see Shels fold. The loss of a real club is always a blow to any league.
Poor Student
21/02/2007, 11:52 AM
Where do these new developments leave Shamrock Rovers with regards to having somewhere to play? Do they have a contingency plan?
holidaysong
21/02/2007, 11:59 AM
If Shelbourne do fold though, have SRFC been assured the use of Tolka for the season?
Are there any truth in the rumour that Shels have half of last years Killester squad on stand-by?
PS. There are about 20 different topics in this thread. Defeats the whole point of having a New Post button. Really annoying having to scavenge through the thread for the parts you want. Some of us have to pretend to be working you know!
Shelsman
21/02/2007, 1:05 PM
Oh and one more thing...
"rules are rules"
Where's Pat Dolan when you need him? :D
Amazing he never awarded the Pats players replica Champions League medals too while he was at it. :rolleyes:
He didn't award them anything, the league did. But continue to celebrate it along with your current league title. I hope the memories keep you warm in Cobh on a Tuesday night
Lim till i die
21/02/2007, 1:29 PM
How exactly were Shels just "awarded" a first division licence??
Surely they have to apply, like everyone else??
Just keeps getting more and more pathetic :rolleyes:
Réiteoir
21/02/2007, 1:42 PM
How exactly were Shels just "awarded" a first division licence??
Surely they have to apply, like everyone else??
Just keeps getting more and more pathetic :rolleyes:
It's a Rubber Licence LTID
Lim till i die
21/02/2007, 1:46 PM
It's a Rubber Licence LTID
This whole thing is genuinely starting to bug me now
This FAI taking over lark has really gone well so far
****in pathetic :mad:
Réiteoir
21/02/2007, 2:21 PM
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higgins
21/02/2007, 2:44 PM
agree, ****ing disgraceful that the fans have sat back over the past 4 weeks and not even worked on a plan B just in case the worst happened. If Shels went bust next week the fans have had 4/5 weeks to prepare and alternative club and be ready to submit a licensing application for the First Division.
The FAI had informed us they wouldn't take any more applications for this season and that was a fair few weeks back.
higgins
21/02/2007, 2:47 PM
Oh and one more thing...
"rules are rules"
rules are rules but it's within their right to punish us with demotion and/or points deduction.
They do not have to kick us out of the league.
I'm all for rules :)
Just I think seeing as we are about to turn things around and Ollie is out of the picture I think we should at least be given this season to prove what we are now saying.
Ollie is not involved anymore and killing Shelbourne is a pointless exercise as it won't teach Ollie any lessons as he's an ill man who has other worries now.
I'm not asking them to break rules but they seem intent on running us out of the league for lies we told to obtain our premier division license.
Higgins if you beleive ollie is out of the picture then your even more gullible than I thought.
WeAreRovers
21/02/2007, 3:23 PM
your even more gullible than I thought.
In fairness that's not possible. ;)
KOH
Higgins, Shels have been given NO punishment. Their license has been revoked as it shouldn't have been given in the first place for NEXT season. You received slightly more favourable treatment than Limerick.
Why should you be given a season to turn it around? On what basis do Shels deserve this preferential treatment? What track record do the people coming into the club have of running a football club? Should Shels be given a premier license because they "might" be able to pay their way? The letter from Kilkenny was not part of the documentation provided to the FAI by Shels apparently. What about other outstanding debts accrued. Even if you pay the tax and wages owed, you'd still owe €3.5 million WITHOUT the money drawn down from Kilkenny and Co. What have Shels done to pay off this debt?
Shels have gotten away very lightly with ****ing on the league the last few years. Don't forget that Finbarr Flood was Chairman up to 6 months ago and Gary Browne was heavily involved too. Ollie might be the ring leader but no one that s been involved with Shles in the last 5 years should be allowed near a football club. Add in the Ronan Seerys, Tony Maguires and Alan Duncans of this world too.
You'll notice that most here do not want Shels to go out of business (you'll note I do :D ) and IMO the FAI have been too kind to Shels here so there is no way anybody can be blamed for Shels going out of business bar the board and supporters of Shelbourne F.C.
Now, about those conditions... You going to share them with us?
higgins
21/02/2007, 3:25 PM
Higgins if you beleive ollie is out of the picture then your even more gullible than I thought.
and gufct, if you believe Ollie is in the picture you have never heard of a Brian Tumor.
I doubt you even know anything of the deal done with Ossie either, so please stop your nonsense.
Ollie is still the owner, he's sick and is receiving treatment, he's out of the picture.
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