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Sniffer
30/01/2007, 7:13 PM
Can't remember where my rule book is, but this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Setanta_Cup) suggests that Sligo Rovers should be in.
charliesboots
30/01/2007, 7:15 PM
Can't remember where my rule book is, but this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Setanta_Cup) suggests that Sligo Rovers should be in.
But sure I could change that now if I pleased...hardly a hard source to rely on!!
Sniffer
30/01/2007, 7:20 PM
Agreed, but the best on offer at the moment; hence 'suggests'
Hibs4Ever
30/01/2007, 7:23 PM
Shels must be in dire straits if they pulling out of that as guaranteed cash just for competing.
Was looking forward to beating Shels live on tv again at the cross. Pats just doesn't have the same appeal & crowd will be smaller...
Would LOVE to know how you come to this conclusion!!
bohs til i die
30/01/2007, 7:27 PM
Very sad to see the demise of Shelbourne. I appreciate that you will all know a lot more of the ins and outs of this one than I do and may not feel the same sympathy towrds them but they were a team that I always enjoyed watching when they were on TV and their CL run a few seasons ago was certainly memorable. Feel really sorry for the Shelbourne supporters. I sincerely hope things can be sorted out.
David
The reason people have little sympathy for Shels is simple. They were spending money that everybody knew they hadnt got, they were spending money taking every issue that went against them to arbitration/court/tribunal in order to win the titles, they spent money trying to keep players even though they werent paying them [and losing a fortune at the same time] and they have the most gullible bunch of idiots supporting them who had too much faith in Ollie Byrne and were not prepared to believe what everyone told them over the past 5 years.
In May 2005, a group of Shels fans held up a banner with "J€A£OU$" written on it because they had signed 3 Bohs players they couldnt afford. I wonder who is Jealous now.
If what I am hearing is true, next season's fixture list wont contain Shelbourne. I for one wont shed a tear although I will regret not having one last chance to gloat.
As Bohs Partisan says elwewhere, a few more team north and south of the border and we'll have an all-Ireland league before w eknow it, bring it on.
Sniffer
30/01/2007, 7:28 PM
from the 2007 Setanta Cup Regulations:
Entry Process
The Tournament shall be on invitational basis only and invitations shall be issued by
both Associations to four clubs under their jurisdiction taking into account the following sporting criteria listed in order of priority:
Clubs under the jurisdiction of the FAI:
· 2006 season Premier Division League championship winners.
· 2006 season FAI Cup winners. In the event of a club winning the Premier Division League championship and the FAI Cup, then the runner-up club in the FAI Cup shall be invited.
· 2006 season League Cup winners.
· 2006 season Premier Division League championship runners-up.
In the event of a club(s) qualifying to receive an invitation under two or more of the above listed criteria or a club(s) failing to meet other specified criteria in the regulations, then the invitation(s) shall be issued to the next highest placed club(s) in the final 2006 season Premier Division League championship table.
Clubs under the jurisdiction of the IFA:
· 2005/06 season Premier Division League championship winners.
· 2006 IFA Cup winners. In the event of a club winning the Premier Division League championship and the IFA Cup, then the runner-up club in the IFA Cup shall be invited.
· 2005/06 season CIS Cup winners.
· 2005/06 season Premier Division League championship runners-up.
In the event of a club(s) qualifying to receive an invitation under two or more of the above listed criteria or a club(s) failing to meet other specified criteria in the regulations, then the invitation(s) shall be issued to the next highest placed club(s) in the final 2005/06 season Premier Division League championship table.
Clear as...
Obviously means Shels stripped of league
Sniffer
30/01/2007, 7:31 PM
Derry City won the FAI Cup but not the league, so the FAI Cup runners up shouldn't qualify. Unless... the Setanta committee are promoting City to the league winners spot in lieu of Shels.
Sniffer
30/01/2007, 7:32 PM
A dead heat:)
SligoBrewer
30/01/2007, 7:49 PM
shels wont lose their title so derry wont go in 2 it as champions...
they'll be promoted to the champions league but they wont have won the league
therefore.. the place is ours is it not?
Shels wont be stripped of the title..
Sooooooooooooooooooooooooo......
Logic determines that the place is ours
Look Before You Leap
Typical Irish football:rolleyes:
Shels wont be stripped of the title..
Sooooooooooooooooooooooooo......
Logic determines that the place is ours
What the **** is logical about the league champions pulling out of a money spinning competition?
SligoBrewer
30/01/2007, 7:57 PM
What the **** is logical about the league champions pulling out of a money spinning competition?
2 wrongs doesnt make a right..
red bellied
30/01/2007, 8:01 PM
In the event of a club(s) qualifying to receive an invitation under two or more of the above listed criteria or a club(s) failing to meet other specified criteria in the regulations, then the invitation(s) shall be issued to the next highest placed club(s) in the final 2006 season Premier Division League championship table.
Going on this Rovers are in. The rules arent been applied properly.
SligoBrewer
30/01/2007, 8:03 PM
In the event of a club(s) qualifying to receive an invitation under two or more of the above listed criteria or a club(s) failing to meet other specified criteria in the regulations, then the invitation(s) shall be issued to the next highest placed club(s) in the final 2006 season Premier Division League championship table.
Going on this Rovers are in. The rules arent been applied properly.
i doubt we'll take it to the courts though..
were already going down this route with *ahem* he who shall not be named
Maybe we could get a bulk discount on court cases
ilovejam
30/01/2007, 8:10 PM
Thats a joke, two seasons ago Derry had a place in the SSC by finishing 2nd in the league.
They beat UCD in the league cup final but College still didn't get a place in the SSC so why should Pats??
Typical of the league because UCD were under the impression that if (in the very unlikely event at the time) they beat Shels in the semi's of that cup they would take the SSC place as Derry had a league spot, so the SSC committee took on this rule that it would go to next in the league because as we all know UCD (in the FAI's eyes) are not wanted in the league.
So now we see the rule being bent back because a high profile team like Pats are in a position to be called upon.
A messy start already and a ball hasn't even been kicked:rolleyes: :mad:
dcfcsteve
30/01/2007, 8:12 PM
Surprised by this development.
Shel must be in the absolute soup and unable to even get crediot from their coach company etc in order for them to pull out of this.
Gutted that the group of death won't have one team we can write off now. D'oh !
Shels are pure w@nkers though. Why couldn't this have happened to them before the end of the league season - then we might have had a worthy champion at the end of it.
Thats a joke, two seasons ago Derry had a place in the SSC by finishing 2nd in the league.
They beat UCD in the league cup final but College still didn't get a place in the SSC so why should Pats??
Because the FAI cup ranks higher. Look at the English situation. Lose the FA Cup to a team in the chamions league, you get UEFA Cup (West Ham in 2006), lose the League Cup final, you get nothing (Wigan in 2006)
Here, the FAI Cup is an avenue to Europe. the League Cup isn't so obviously ranks higher...
BohsPartisan
30/01/2007, 8:18 PM
But sure I could change that now if I pleased...hardly a hard source to rely on!!
Exactly I mean Check this out (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shelbourne_F.C.)
SligoBrewer
30/01/2007, 8:28 PM
Because the FAI cup ranks higher. Look at the English situation. Lose the FA Cup to a team in the chamions league, you get UEFA Cup (West Ham in 2006), lose the League Cup final, you get nothing (Wigan in 2006)
Here, the FAI Cup is an avenue to Europe. the League Cup isn't so obviously ranks higher...
here your trying to justify rule breaking.:rolleyes:
here your trying to justify rule breaking.:rolleyes:
Would you get a grip, you haven't seen the rules and you're making assumptions based on rules posted by a Shels fan.
Here's the FAI's word on it
http://www.fai.ie/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1650
St. Patrick's Athletic, as runners-up to Derry City in the FAI Carlsberg Cup final, will automatically be invited to take their place as per the rules of the competition
Added to that its an INVITATIONAL tournament...
the rules are whatever a commercial company, namely setanta, decide they are, and we can all like it or lump it
in this case i like it!!!!!!!
THE SSC has no equivilent in football here and is bound by their commercial needs, not any other consideration.
Logic determines that the place is ours
And yet, reality says otherwise. :cool: It's a shame for you, it really is :D
Setanta first, next stop Europe.
SligoBrewer
30/01/2007, 8:40 PM
Would you get a grip, you haven't seen the rules and you're making assumptions based on rules posted by a Shels fan.
Here's the FAI's word on it
http://www.fai.ie/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1650
St. Patrick's Athletic, as runners-up to Derry City in the FAI Carlsberg Cup final, will automatically be invited to take their place as per the rules of the competition
Added to that its an INVITATIONAL tournament...
have you seen them?:rolleyes:
we all know the fai to be sooooo competent:rolleyes:
if pats were in rovers situation now youd be baying for the spot.. because they are breaking their own rules
if shels had been stripped of their title i wouldnt mind, cause setanta would not be breaking the rules
but they havent.. so please.. stop being biased
Celdrog
30/01/2007, 8:42 PM
the rules are whatever a commercial company, namely setanta, decide they are, and we can all like it or lump it
in this case i like it!!!!!!!
THE SSC has no equivilent in football here and is bound by their commercial needs, not any other consideration.
If its only commercial needs then Sligo are in - much better support. Seems like the Setanta committe have stripped Shels of the title if they are using their own rules. Now that is something they cannot do.
Is the only place it has been confirmed the Pats website?
Edit - its only the Setanta website now, odd decision considering their logic is "St Pat's were invited to participate as a result - they would have earned a spot in the competition had their defeated Derry City in the FAI Cup final in December ". UCD would have earned a place had they won the league cup.
http://ie.setanta.com/portal/article/football?open&articleid=61791b449bb722df80257273006d5991
Hibs4Ever
30/01/2007, 8:48 PM
If its only commercial needs then Sligo are in - much better support. Seems like the Setanta committe have stripped Shels of the title if they are using their own rules. Now that is something they cannot do.
Is the only place it has been confirmed the Pats website?
Edit - its only the Setanta website now, odd decision considering their logic is "St Pat's were invited to participate as a result - they would have earned a spot in the competition had their defeated Derry City in the FAI Cup final in December ". UCD would have earned a place had they won the league cup.
http://ie.setanta.com/portal/article/football?open&articleid=61791b449bb722df80257273006d5991
No they don't
if pats were in rovers situation now youd be baying for the [/B]
True. Aah, the fickle finger of fate :p
but they havent.. so please.. stop being biased
Wot, you mean like you have ?
have you seen them?:rolleyes:
we all know the fai to be sooooo competent:rolleyes:
if pats were in rovers situation now youd be baying for the spot.. because they are breaking their own rules
if shels had been stripped of their title i wouldnt mind, cause setanta would not be breaking the rules
but they havent.. so please.. stop being biased
Hmmm. Listen I'm shocked Shels pulled out, and I'm shocked we got the spot ahead of you but none of us know the rules so stop trying to get the high ground here.
Celdrog
30/01/2007, 8:53 PM
No they don't
What a well thought out arguement. Sligo are the third best supported team in the country.
http://www.european-football-statistics.co.uk/attn/current/aveire.htm
Maybe it is the prelude of the FAI revoking Shelbournes title tomorrow morning because they 'lied'.
eirebhoy
30/01/2007, 8:56 PM
In the event of a club(s) qualifying to receive an invitation under two or more of the above listed criteria or a club(s) failing to meet other specified criteria in the regulations, then the invitation(s) shall be issued to the next highest placed club(s) in the final 2006 season Premier Division League championship table.
Going on this Rovers are in. The rules arent been applied properly.
Shels qualified through winning the league. Since they withdrew their league winnning place is then given to Derry. Derry would then basically be league champions and FAI cup champions and under Setanta cup rules the cup runners up would then get the place.
Hibs4Ever
30/01/2007, 8:58 PM
What a well thought out arguement. Sligo are the third best supported team in the country.
http://www.european-football-statistics.co.uk/attn/current/aveire.htm
Wasn't supposed to be an arguement. They don't have a MUCH better support, despite what it says on you strange european/eire site
Celdrog
30/01/2007, 9:01 PM
Wasn't supposed to be an arguement. They don't have a MUCH better support, despite what it says on you strange european/eire site
So that site is flawed is it - I'm sure pineapple stu will adjudicate.
Its irrelevant anyway - the Setanta cup will be retained this season:D
monkey magic
30/01/2007, 9:04 PM
Hmmm. Listen I'm shocked Shels pulled out, and I'm shocked we got the spot ahead of you but none of us know the rules so stop trying to get the high ground here.
ACTUALLY, plenty of people know and understand the rules, and, i have to say as a neutral, whatever the reality, according to them rules sligo should be in. simple as. its quite clear on this; pats could only be invited if derry had won the league and cup. any other combination of results which resulted in derry having two invites (such as winning the league cup and fai cup;) ) would result in sligo, as the next highest ranked team in the el getting the spot.
SligoBrewer
30/01/2007, 9:04 PM
ACTUALLY, plenty of people know and understand the rules, and, i have to say as a neutral, whatever the reality, according to them rules sligo should be in. simple as. its quite clear on this; pats could only be invited if derry had won the league and cup. any other combination of results which resulted in derry having two invites (such as winning the league cup and fai cup;) ) would result in sligo, as the next highest ranked team in the el getting the spot.
thank you!:p
thank you!:p
We still got the spot :p
ACTUALLY, plenty of people know and understand the rules, and, i have to say as a neutral, whatever the reality, according to them rules sligo should be in. simple as. its quite clear on this; pats could only be invited if derry had won the league and cup. any other combination of results which resulted in derry having two invites (such as winning the league cup and fai cup;) ) would result in sligo, as the next highest ranked team in the el getting the spot.
When was the last time you looked at the rules? Seriously
SligoBrewer
30/01/2007, 9:10 PM
When was the last time you looked at the rules? Seriously
:rolleyes: :rolleyes:
i believe their were there by francis cassidy..
bohs til i die
30/01/2007, 9:12 PM
Just posting to say that as Shels are hopefully going to fold soon, any Shels fan can avail of half price Bohs 2007 season tickets if purchased between now and February 28th.
Just produce your 2006 Shels season ticket when purchasing a season ticket for Bohs.
Oh, and welcome to the Big Club :p
monkey magic
30/01/2007, 9:15 PM
Shels qualified through winning the league. Since they withdrew their league winnning place is then given to Derry. Derry would then basically be league champions and FAI cup champions and under Setanta cup rules the cup runners up would then get the place.
yeah but why would their league winning place be give to derry? shels havent been stripped of their title, they have, in their own words "declined an invitation" to compete in the ssc". unless the ssc comittee or whoever decides on who gets the places know something we dont know, shelbourne are still very much the eircom league champions.
monkey magic
30/01/2007, 9:17 PM
When was the last time you looked at the rules? Seriously
your point?
rather than just a random comment, why not counter my arguement?
Peadar
30/01/2007, 9:24 PM
Pats to take their place
Proper order too. It's better for the FAI to have Pats in it.
I doubt you could even show a live game from the Showgrounds anyway.
At least Pats will put a challenge.
Sligo would just be another Longford.
SligoBrewer
30/01/2007, 9:27 PM
Proper order too. It's better for the FAI to have Pats in it.
I doubt you could even show a live game from the Showgrounds anyway.
At least Pats will put a challenge.
Sligo would just be another Longford.
sorry, cup semi final.:rolleyes:
where did pats finish last season
where did we:rolleyes:
i can quote the results of us vs pats if u like?:cool:
Peadar
30/01/2007, 9:28 PM
What arrangements do you have in place to accommodate Dublin City FC fans, who were availing of the offer from Shels, to honour their season tickets? :p
I couldn't care less if Pats or Sligo qualify (although Pats away trip is easier) but the rules are very clear - Sligo qualify unless the organising committee chooses to use its discretion & just pick a Dublin team they like...
SligoBrewer
30/01/2007, 9:29 PM
I couldn't care less if Pats or Sligo qualify (although Pats away trip is easier) but the rules are very clear - Sligo qualify unless the organising committee chooses to use its discretion & just pick a Dublin team they like...
so if we were from dublin:rolleyes:
Gareth
30/01/2007, 9:30 PM
The truest wealth is that of understanding.
I would only buy a half price bohs ticket so I could sell it to a bohs fan full price.
Peadar
30/01/2007, 9:31 PM
Sligo fans are off their heads if they think the team they'll have this season will get even close to what they struggled to do last season.
Pats, on the other hand, have the same manager and a better team.
Réiteoir
30/01/2007, 9:32 PM
If you'd have made the Cup Final then you may have had a chance.
Sligo fans are off their heads if they think the team they'll have this season will get even close to what they struggled to do last season.
Pats, on the other hand, have the same manager and a better team.
We'll see.
Aren't there rules about wumming?:rolleyes:
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