Sean St. Ledger

[Wolfie]

From a Preston fan I know:

"Everton after SSL to replace Lescott, £5mil I believe we are asking."

That would be a great move for St Ledger.

If Dunne is leaving City - Could it be a case of Dunne or St Ledger. Hardly both?

[DmanDmythDledge]

If Dunne is leaving City - Could it be a case of Dunne or St Ledger. Hardly both?
Didn't Moyes rule out a bid for Dunne earlier in the summer? Villa are apparently after him anyway but Taylor and Distin have been strongly mentioned too.

[Umberside]

That would be a great move for St Ledger.

If Dunne is leaving City - Could it be a case of Dunne or St Ledger. Hardly both?

Everton are a cash-strapped club and unless Dunne is involved as a swap in the deal for Lescott then it is unlikely.

St Ledger is the perfect type of David Moyes player - under-rated, not too expensive and a great work-rate. It's a win-win situation if he goes to Goodison.

[Junior]

Everton are a cash-strapped club and unless Dunne is involved as a swap in the deal for Lescott then it is unlikely.

St Ledger is the perfect type of David Moyes player - under-rated, not too expensive and a great work-rate. It's a win-win situation if he goes to Goodison.

That doesnt make sense as Dunne would be no more expensive than SSL at £5m if the papers/posts on here are to be believed on the 2 players valuations?

Surely it would be down to whether Moyes rates Dunne above/below SSL as a signing?

[tetsujin1979]

Everton are a cash-strapped club and unless Dunne is involved as a swap in the deal for Lescott then it is unlikely.

St Ledger is the perfect type of David Moyes player - under-rated, not too expensive and a great work-rate. It's a win-win situation if he goes to Goodison.
They're going to get 24million for Lescott, hardly going to be cash strapped after that?

[Umberside]

That doesnt make sense as Dunne would be no more expensive than SSL at £5m if the papers/posts on here are to be believed on the 2 players valuations?

Surely it would be down to whether Moyes rates Dunne above/below SSL as a signing?

Because of Man City's poor defence Dunne is a valuable player and would certainly be worth more than £5 million.

[DmanDmythDledge]

Because of Man City's poor defence Dunne is a valuable player and would certainly be worth more than £5 million.
Man City's defence is anything but poor.

[Umberside]

Man City's defence is anything but poor.

Compared to the attack it is, and their vision is of being a top four team, the current defence wouldn't do at a top six team.

[DmanDmythDledge]

Compared to the attack it is, and their vision is of being a top four team, the current defence wouldn't do at a top six team.
Comparing it to their attack has nothing to do with it.

Last season they conceded 2 less goals than Aston Villa, who finished 6th. City's defence was much improved in the second half of last season- they conceded 22 goals in 19 games, which I think is pretty good. Add the fact that they have improved their defence in the summer I think it is fine.

[Umberside]

Comparing it to their attack has nothing to do with it.

What I'm saying is their attack would get them into the top four, their defence wouldn't.

[DmanDmythDledge]

What I'm saying is their attack would get them into the top four, their defence wouldn't.
...which I've pointed out is irrelevant to the discussion. :)

[Umberside]

...which I've pointed out is irrelevant to the discussion. :)

Okay :rolleyes: :)

[tetsujin1979]

What I'm saying is their attack would get them into the top four, their defence wouldn't.
Bridge won the title twice with Chelsea
Toure's never finished outside the top four
Given's been the best keeper outside the top four teams for ages

[Umberside]

Bridge won the title twice with Chelsea
Toure's never finished outside the top four
Given's been the best keeper outside the top four teams for ages

Bridge is past it
Toure plays at one of the biggest clubs in the world
Given is brilliant, he could get them into top four on his own :cool:

[tetsujin1979]

My point is that City have bought defenders who can get them into the top four

[Umberside]

My point is that City have bought defenders who can get them into the top four

A look at their defenders on the old reliable and I think they need one more top class defender to seriously challenge the top four.

[Irish_Praha]

That doesnt make sense as Dunne would be no more expensive than SSL at £5m if the papers/posts on here are to be believed on the 2 players valuations?

Surely it would be down to whether Moyes rates Dunne above/below SSL as a signing?

SSL is a few years younger, which might influence his choice, if he is in fact considering them both.

[Umberside]

SSL is a few years younger, which might influence his choice, if he is in fact considering them both.

I don't think he was ever interested in Dunne.

[tetsujin1979]

Because of Man City's poor defence Dunne is a valuable player and would certainly be worth more than £5 million.
Only team in the Premier League yet to concede

[Umberside]

Only team in the Premier League yet to concede

They'v done brilliantly to keep a clean sheet against Balckburn and Wolves :rolleyes:

[Brendan 82]

They'v done brilliantly to keep a clean sheet against Balckburn and Wolves :rolleyes:

They have, its the Premier league. Clean sheets are very difficult to grind out

[Umberside]

They have, its the Premier league. Clean sheets are very difficult to grind out

How much pressure have they been under against Blackburn and Wolves? It's been pretty much attack for them in both games.

[DmanDmythDledge]

How much pressure have they been under against Blackburn and Wolves? It's been pretty much attack for them in both games.
To further bring this thread off-topic: :)

Blackburn vs Man City
Possession: 46%-54%
Shots on target: 9-5
Shots off target: 8-3

Man City vs Wolves
Possession: 65%-35%
Shots on target: 11-2
Shots off target: 5-8

So the Blackburn game wasn't exactly the stroll in the park you are making it out to be.

[Umberside]

To further bring this thread off-topic: :)

Blackburn vs Man City
Possession: 46%-54%
Shots on target: 9-5
Shots off target: 8-3

Man City vs Wolves
Possession: 65%-35%
Shots on target: 11-2
Shots off target: 5-8

So the Blackburn game wasn't exactly the stroll in the park you are making it out to be.

Don't know why this thread has changed into a Man City defence thread, considering St Ledger was never moving to Eastlands in the first place :rolleyes:

[tetsujin1979]

How much pressure have they been under against Blackburn and Wolves? It's been pretty much attack for them in both games.
According to ESPN's stats section for those games
5 shots on target by Blackburn: http://soccernet.espn.go.com/gamecast?id=269768&page=stats&cc=5739
2 shots on target by Sunderland: http://soccernet.espn.go.com/gamecast?id=270065&page=stats&cc=5739

[Umberside]

According to ESPN's stats section for those games
5 shots on target by Blackburn: http://soccernet.espn.go.com/gamecast?id=269768&page=stats&cc=5739
2 shots on target by Sunderland: http://soccernet.espn.go.com/gamecast?id=270065&page=stats&cc=5739

I can guarantee Sunderland have had no shots on target against Man City, simple because they haven't played them ;)

[Brendan 82]

Don't forget they needed a crossbar against Wolves, would have been great for Keogh if that had gone in btw

[tetsujin1979]

I can guarantee Sunderland have had no shots on target against Man City, simple because they haven't played them ;)
sorry, Wolves

[Umberside]

Don't forget they needed a crossbar against Wolves, would have been great for Keogh if that had gone in btw

That only proves the fragility of the Man City defence, which is what I've been talking about for the last half an hour with you lads :eek:

[Brendan 82]

That only proves the fragility of the Man City defence, which is what I've been talking about for the last half an hour with you lads :eek:

It proves that clean sheets are very difficult to grind out in the Premier league; which, as clearly evidenced by my posts, is all I am saying. Not only must you play well, you need a bit of luck too. Making it doubly difficult. I think their defense has played well, Toure and Dunne were excellent in my opinion against Andy Keogh, who looked a real handful. Doyle also took some containing when he came on.

[Umberside]

It proves that clean sheets are very difficult to grind out in the Premier league; which, as clearly evidenced by my posts, is all I am saying. Not only must you play well, you need a bit of luck too. Making it doubly difficult. I think their defense has played well, Toure and Dunne were excellent in my opinion against Andy Keogh, who looked a real handful. Doyle also took some containing when he came on.

At the end of the day it's impossible to judge a defence when they've only played two teams destined for a relegation battle.

[Brendan 82]

At the end of the day it's impossible to judge a defence when they've only played two teams destined for a relegation battle.

Didn't stop you from judging them:


Because of Man City's poor defence Dunne is a valuable player and would certainly be worth more than £5 million.

[Umberside]

Evidence that Man City have a poor defence is backed up by lasts season's woeful defence, whereas it's hard to say they've a good defence because they kept clean sheets against Blackburn and Wolves.

[Brendan 82]

Evidence that Man City have a poor defence is backed up by lasts season's woeful defence, whereas it's hard to say they've a good defence because they kept clean sheets against Blackburn and Wolves.

That "sentence" makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. You've talked yourself into a corner, take your licks and jog on son

[Umberside]

That "sentence" makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. You've talked yourself into a corner, take your licks and jog on son

I agree I have talked myself down here, but the main point I was trying to make shouldn't be discarded.

[Brendan 82]

I agree I have talked myself down here, but the main point I was trying to make shouldn't be discarded.

Was your main point that Man City's defence is shaky enough to ensure they need Dunne?

As we both said, it is too early to make a judgment on their defence as a whole. Though I would agree that they need Dunne, but that is only because I rate Dunne. I reckon any club with Dunne on their books ought to keep, and play, him.

[Umberside]

Was your main point that Man City's defence is shaky enough to ensure they need Dunne?

As we both said, it is too early to make a judgment on their defence as a whole. Though I would agree that they need Dunne, but that is only because I rate Dunne. I reckon any club with Dunne on their books ought to keep, and play, him.

Exactly what I meant :)

[Brendan 82]

Exactly what I meant :)

Good point

[Umberside]

That "sentence" makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. You've talked yourself into a corner, take your licks and jog on son

Just a matter of time before you get a thanks form DmanDmythDledge for that post ;)

[Brendan 82]

Just a matter of time before you get a thanks form DmanDmythDledge for that post ;)

Ah whatever I don't care, I just post what I think. On another note, why do you think Hughes is so keen to replace Dunne? I mean, is Lescott any better like? I dunno

[Umberside]

On another note, why do you think Hughes is so keen to replace Dunne? I mean, is Lescott any better like? I dunno

I don't think he wants to replace him, he just wants more competition for the defence, like he has with the attack. When he's got that amount of money who could blame him.

[Brendan 82]

I don't think he wants to replace him, he just wants more competition for the defence, like he has with the attack. When he's got that amount of money who could blame him.

True that

[Umberside]

If Dunne stays Man City have a good chance of challenging the top four but I can't see them actually staying in a Champions League place.

[Brendan 82]

I just hope the Saint stays away from Everton. They should be arrested for that jersey. You simply can't have a good season wearing that garb. The players look embarrassed while wearing it. It really is the ugliest soccer jersey I have ever seen

[Umberside]

I just hope the Saint stays away from Everton. They should be arrested for that jersey. You simply can't have a good season wearing that garb. The players look embarrassed while wearing it. It really is the ugliest soccer jersey I have ever seen

Interestingly Everton have changed their home kit every year since 2001. Last year's was definitely the best one.

To be serious though Everton would be a good place for St Ledger.

[Brendan 82]

To be serious though Everton would be a good place for St Ledger.

I'd agree if it were not for the shirt. I genuinely think it will have a very negative impact on the team this season

[geysir]

True that

Have you been watching "The Wire"?

[Umberside]

I'd agree if it were not for the shirt. I genuinely think it will have a very negative impact on the team this season

There are a lot of bad shirts this year and Everton's is one of the worst.

But it's likely St Ledger is one for the future (maybe next season) so hopefully the shirt will be gone by then :)

[eirebhoy]

What I'm saying is their attack would get them into the top four, their defence wouldn't.
Their attack is no match for the top 4 imo.


Evidence that Man City have a poor defence is backed up by lasts season's woeful defence, whereas it's hard to say they've a good defence because they kept clean sheets against Blackburn and Wolves.
They hadn't got Toure last season or more importantly Gareth Barry who'll play the biggest role in improving their defensive record imo.

Anyway let's hope St Ledger makes the step up this summer.

[Umberside]

Does anyone know what the transfer fee for St Ledger will be should a deal be made?