Transfer Rumours 2016 season

[Mr A]

The fact that Limerick are obviously planning to keep a really squad just makes the decisions at the start of last season all the weirder.

[outspoken]

Shannahan is quality, would score plenty of goals in the FD. Pacey, powerful and when he gets his confidence up he can score goals.

[WoodquayBoy]

I know enough about Oji and O'Leary but do Galway fans rate Shanahan?
Shanahan has great heart and would run all day for you. A leopard also has a great heart and would run all day, but he'd be useless in a football team. Running isn't everything. Love Shanahan's attitude, but he's not a Premier Division player. O'Leary also has a great attitude, but I'd play Alex Byrne ahead of him. Hen again, I'd play O'Leary ahead of Paul Sinnott, and he's our captain! Oji had a good end to the season but overall, he has been a disappointment. Brought in to replace the departed Paddy Barrett, but I don't feel he filled that gap. So of the three, I'd be most disappointed to see O'Leary go, just marginally ahead of Shanahan but that would be down to Shanahan's pace - we don't have anyone else with his kind of speed.

[NeverFeltBetter]

The fact that Limerick are obviously planning to keep a really squad just makes the decisions at the start of last season all the weirder.

POS really thought the youth team and a few experienced lads here and there would be enough for 10th. Took way too long for reality to sink in.

I'd have Oji back in a heartbeat of it could be arranged. One of the best defenders Limerick had over the past few years. Am starting to wonder a bit about squad cost in respect of expected income though.

[Jofspring]

POS really thought the youth team and a few experienced lads here and there would be enough for 10th. Took way too long for reality to sink in.

I'd have Oji back in a heartbeat of it could be arranged. One of the best defenders Limerick had over the past few years. Am starting to wonder a bit about squad cost in respect of expected income though.

The budget was set for Martin a few weeks ago. The other businessmen Pat mentioned must be hanging around and helping with the financial burden as we clearly have a decent budget going by signings. Probably bigger than 3 or 4 premier teams.

[Philosophizer]

The other businessmen Pat mentioned must be hanging around and helping with the financial burden as we clearly have a decent budget going by signings. Probably bigger than 3 or 4 premier teams.

I hope limerick come straight back up next year and can consolidate in the prem, the league needs them. But relying on businessmen to invest in the club can be a recipe for disaster. I hope they get away with it.

On a similar note, does anyone know where Bray are getting the money for the 2 yr contracts they're offering. After the chaos of last season have they got some new financial backer(s) or something??

[Jofspring]

I hope limerick come straight back up next year and can consolidate in the prem, the league needs them. But relying on businessmen to invest in the club can be a recipe for disaster. I hope they get away with it.

On a similar note, does anyone know where Bray are getting the money for the 2 yr contracts they're offering. After the chaos of last season have they got some new financial backer(s) or something??

There isn't a club in this league that isn't dependent on businessmen putting money in. From what I've heard it's mainly local business people that have started to help out the club. Hopefully we can add more sponsorship next season also from the locals as it's something that has been missing for years.

[Roo69]

On a similar note, does anyone know where Bray are getting the money for the 2 yr contracts they're offering. After the chaos of last season have they got some new financial backer(s) or something??

Nobody actually knows for sure but it rumored to be a guy called Greg Kavanagh, a very very wealthy property developer from Arklow. The club didn't do a single bit of fundraising last season so the money has to be coming from some where

[Longfordian]

The Celtic Tiger is officially reborn when property developers are sniffing around football clubs again.

[nigel-harps1954]

There isn't a club in this league that isn't dependent on businessmen putting money in. From what I've heard it's mainly local business people that have started to help out the club. Hopefully we can add more sponsorship next season also from the locals as it's something that has been missing for years.

There's a big difference between sponsorship and backing from businessmen.

If a sponsor pulled out of Cork City, Finn Harps or any of the other fan owned models, they'd simply need to find another sponsor.

If a businessman pulled out major backing of Limerick, St Pat's, Derry, or now Bray...they'd all be screwed.

[El-Pietro]

Nobody actually knows for sure but it rumored to be a guy called Greg Kavanagh, a very very wealthy property developer from Arklow. The club didn't do a single bit of fundraising last season so the money has to be coming from some where
Are you sure he isn't a wealthy property developer from Arkaga?

[Philosophizer]

it rumored to be a guy called Greg Kavanagh
Jesus they're onto a winner if they've managed to get him on board...
Great to see when some charity trickles down to the LOI from Irish ppl who've "made it".
Always grates with me a little bit when i see Irish ppl investing in British clubs. Even if their purely interested in making a profit, surely for a millionaire there's much more chance of a ROI if you take over a LOI team and get them into CL qualifiers than trying to succeed with a British team...

[nigel-harps1954]

Jesus they're onto a winner if they've managed to get him on board...
Great to see when some charity trickles down to the LOI from Irish ppl who've "made it".
Always grates with me a little bit when i see Irish ppl investing in British clubs. Even if their purely interested in making a profit, surely for a millionaire there's much more chance of a ROI if you take over a LOI team and get them into CL qualifiers than trying to succeed with a British team...

Enough people have tried and failed already...

...what's one more I suppose?

[Lim till i die]

There's a big difference between sponsorship and backing from businessmen.

If a sponsor pulled out of Cork City, Finn Harps or any of the other fan owned models, they'd simply need to find another sponsor.

If a businessman pulled out major backing of Limerick, St Pat's, Derry, or now Bray...they'd all be screwed.

So in essence the difference is you call the businessmen putting money into cork and harps sponsors and the businessmen putting money into limerick and pats businessmen??

[Jofspring]

There's a big difference between sponsorship and backing from businessmen.

If a sponsor pulled out of Cork City, Finn Harps or any of the other fan owned models, they'd simply need to find another sponsor.

If a businessman pulled out major backing of Limerick, St Pat's, Derry, or now Bray...they'd all be screwed.

6 of 1 half dozen of the other really. From looking at the costs of running a LOI club there isn't a hope any team can be run in this country based on fans alone. Where could a group of fans come up with between €200,000 and €1.5m? So you either need a lot of sponsors or a few rich businessmen. Ideally a combination of both

[Lim till i die]

I prefer a few (as few as possible) rich businessmen. Megalomania is more entertaining, just look at last season. :ball:

[nigel-harps1954]

So in essence the difference is you call the businessmen putting money into cork and harps sponsors and the businessmen putting money into limerick and pats businessmen??

Precisely. For example, McGettigans tried to take over Bray and become the main financial backers there. They simply sponsor Harps. If you cannot see the difference in that, then I'm afraid there's no hope for you.



6 of 1 half dozen of the other really. From looking at the costs of running a LOI club there isn't a hope any team can be run in this country based on fans alone. Where could a group of fans come up with between €200,000 and €1.5m? So you either need a lot of sponsors or a few rich businessmen. Ideally a combination of both

It's really not the same at all.

I've never suggested that any club is run solely based on fans. Even the likes of Harps, with one of the smallest budgets in the clubs history, still needed sponsorship from local businesses and more importantly, that of McGettigans as the main sponsor.

[Town Legend]

Fabio O'Brien is a new addition to our back room staff.

[Lim till i die]

I see the difference.

I absolutely don't see the point you're trying to make.

Why is it not the same?

Harps despite the smallest budget in history (less than a fifth of Freddie halls wages I'm told) still need their "sponsors" Pats still need their "businessman"

[El-Pietro]

We agree short to medium term deals with sponsors. We have a group of them at any one time. Some will continue to sponsor us for several years at a time, some will sponsor us for a single year. They have no obligation to us beyond their contract but they are obligated to put in a set amount of money during the term of that contract (obviously it is possible that some will break their contracts for various reasons).

When those deals are up we are free to negotiate with them for improved terms if warranted, or to look elsewhere. We will have a fair idea of which sponsors are likely to renew their deals allowing us to seak replacements.

Clusb who rely on one individual are completely at the whim of that individual. POS doesn't have a fixed term contract. He himself decides how much money he will contribute, and he can simply stop putting that money in mid season (as Arkaga did with City) or he can choose to reduyce teh amount of his investment from one season to the next (as he did at the start of the 2015 season).

[Ezeikial]

There's a big difference between sponsorship and backing from businessmen.

If a sponsor pulled out of Cork City, Finn Harps or any of the other fan owned models, they'd simply need to find another sponsor.

If a businessman pulled out major backing of Limerick, St Pat's, Derry, or now Bray...they'd all be screwed.

If only Monaghan Utd had had this wisedom............

[nigel-harps1954]

We agree short to medium term deals with sponsors. We have a group of them at any one time. Some will continue to sponsor us for several years at a time, some will sponsor us for a single year. They have no obligation to us beyond their contract but they are obligated to put in a set amount of money during the term of that contract (obviously it is possible that some will break their contracts for various reasons).

When those deals are up we are free to negotiate with them for improved terms if warranted, or to look elsewhere. We will have a fair idea of which sponsors are likely to renew their deals allowing us to seak replacements.

Clusb who rely on one individual are completely at the whim of that individual. POS doesn't have a fixed term contract. He himself decides how much money he will contribute, and he can simply stop putting that money in mid season (as Arkaga did with City) or he can choose to reduyce teh amount of his investment from one season to the next (as he did at the start of the 2015 season).

What he said.

[Lim till i die]

So there's no real difference bar your straw man about medium term deals.

Glad that's cleared up. :good:

[Lim till i die]

Also, afaik Limericks, Derry, Pats etc actively seek and indeed in some cases have, sponsors!

Hard to believe I know but I heard a rumour.

[nigel-harps1954]

It's more difficult trying to explain this to you than it is the theory of evolution to a priest.

[osarusan]

If a sponsor pulled out of Cork City, Finn Harps or any of the other fan owned models, they'd simply need to find another sponsor.
Depending on how much money the sponsor was reneging on/not renewing, it might not be that simple at all.


They have no obligation to us beyond their contract but they are obligated to put in a set amount of money during the term of that contract (obviously it is possible that some will break their contracts for various reasons).


And if those contracts broken were for significant amounts that had been factored into a budget, the club would be screwed.

As for the rest of your paragraph, do you think Limerick are not also looking for sponsorship?

[El-Pietro]

And if those contracts broken were for significant amounts that had been factored into a budget, the club would be screwed.

As for the rest of your paragraph, do you think Limerick are not also looking for sponsorship?
If those contracts were broken of course we would be screwed, though we woudl have legal recourse. Has a sponsor ever pulled out mid season before? A major one?

I'm sure you are looking for sponsors, but you rely havily on POS. That was apparent at the start of this past season. He reduced his investment and that cost you your spot in the Premier Division. I'm surprised at the response to this.

If Clonakilty decided they wanted to scale back their investment we would have forewarning and could go looking for a replacement.

[osarusan]

I'm surprised at the response to this.

I don't disagree with what you say, but the division of clubs into sponsor-based or investment-based is way too neat and simplistic, and the ease with which sponsors are 'simply' found and replaced is being exaggerated.

[The Donie Forde]

Well, of course, the biggest difference in the models is who actually runs the clubs.
It's usually the businessmen putting in their sheckles in the 'traditional' model - and, yes, they also chase sponsorships.
In the fans-owned or co-op model, ultimately it's the fans who call the shots.

[Longfordian]

I'll throw this in here as it's somewhat LOI transfer related and I don't want to start a new thread!

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/high-court/man-claims-share-of-shane-long-s-transfer-fee-to-west-brom-1.2437031

I'm sure Tom Coughlan wouldn't have been involved in anything underhanded and it's all a misunderstanding.

[Jofspring]

If those contracts were broken of course we would be screwed, though we woudl have legal recourse. Has a sponsor ever pulled out mid season before? A major one?

I'm sure you are looking for sponsors, but you rely havily on POS. That was apparent at the start of this past season. He reduced his investment and that cost you your spot in the Premier Division. I'm surprised at the response to this.

If Clonakilty decided they wanted to scale back their investment we would have forewarning and could go looking for a replacement.

The reduced investment in the team last year was because last November they started to realise the markets field was most likely not going to be ready for the start of the season so they scaled it back. Then in January they scaled it back again as they heard there would be a longer delay again. Then they had to organise Jackman Park for the start of the season which from what I heard was not cheap so again there was another scaling back of the budget. That was three times they had to adjust the budget. To allow for most likely smaller crowds and the extra costs of Jackman Park and getting it some way up to scratch.

Would that have been any different if it was sponsors money rather than Pats money? Who knows. With the Markets Field continually falling through the club were actually finding it hard to get more sponsorship in.

Basically the way I look at it is whether money is coming from sponsors, from one man, or a collective of businessmen, clubs in the LOI are still on a knifes edge and anyone could potentially fold or have to scale back to a complete amateur set up at any stage.

[Longfordian]

Aymen Ben Mohamed gone to Bohs, along with Kurtis Byrne.

[nigel-harps1954]

Gavin Gunning free agent, would love to see him at rovers

Signed for Dundee United

[Dalymountrower]

Aymen Ben Mohamed gone to Bohs, along with Kurtis Byrne.

Those signings have been officially announced. Not sure if the kieran Marty Waters signing is going ahead /has gone ahead. Three massive additions to the existing squad.

[Philosophizer]

If they get Marty Waters too Bohs attack is lookin decent for next yr. And they seem to have re-signed the GK and most of the defence too. If they could just upgrade CM too they'd really be lookin good for next yr. They were a bit long-ball-ish at times last season. Lopes is a great worker and very committed but he's lacking in quality on the ball to be a top CM. Apparently Keelan Dillon has fallen out of favour too. Anyone heard if they're lookin to bring in any CMs?

[Dalymountrower]

If they get Marty Waters too Bohs attack is lookin decent for next yr. And they seem to have re-signed the GK and most of the defence too. If they could just upgrade CM too they'd really be lookin good for next yr. They were a bit long-ball-ish at times last season. Lopes is a great worker and very committed but he's lacking in quality on the ball to be a top CM. Apparently Keelan Dillon has fallen out of favour too. Anyone heard if they're lookin to bring in any CMs?

Havent heard any CM rumours. Would love to see Ward come back from Dundalk( is he still there?)
Wearen on form is a good CM. Keelan Dillon fell out of favour with the fans before the manager, had a terrible second half of the season.

Rumour that Stokes going on loan to Rovers from a Glasgow club, possibly a football club. Lock up your kitbag Nutsy!

[GCdfc]

Havent heard any CM rumours. Would love to see Ward come back from Dundalk( is he still there?)!

Went to Sligo.

[Martinho II]

If they get Marty Waters too Bohs attack is lookin decent for next yr. And they seem to have re-signed the GK and most of the defence too. If they could just upgrade CM too they'd really be lookin good for next yr. They were a bit long-ball-ish at times last season. Lopes is a great worker and very committed but he's lacking in quality on the ball to be a top CM. Apparently Keelan Dillon has fallen out of favour too. Anyone heard if they're lookin to bring in any CMs?

saved me havin to post about KYM.From readin in the Sun I was under the impression that he was joinin us.so that has dashed our hopes!

[D24Saint]

@stpatsfc: We have agreed terms for 2016 with Mark Timlin, Keith Treacy and Graham Kelly.

Not sure about Treacy probably squad filler, Timlin could be decent but don't know a lot about Kelly.

[placid casual]

Filler is right!!

you might have to fill the fridge in training to keep Tracey interested.
Are pats trying to break their own record for the "fattest fu**in footballer" award after their previous signing who's name escapes me but who lost his contract cos he was a bit too rotund
michael somebody I think

[TonyD]

Filler is right!!

you might have to fill the fridge in training to keep Tracey interested.
Are pats trying to break their own record for the "fattest fu**in footballer" award after their previous signing who's name escapes me but who lost his contract cos he was a bit too rotund
michael somebody I think

Michael (Fatboy) Keane that would be. Maybe Treacy will knuckle down and get fit. Possible decent signing if he does. We'll see. Timlin from Derry looks quite good.

[Longfordian]

Kealon Dillon has just followed LTFC on Twitter. Make of that what you will!

[patrickccfc]

Kealon Dillon has just followed LGBT on Twitter. Make of that what you will!

Fixed that for you :cool:

[Ezeikial]

Not sure about Treacy probably squad filler, Timlin could be decent but don't know a lot about Kelly.

Treacy a squad player?

He will either get properly fit and be outstanding or remain grossly overweight and fail to even make the bench.
My money is on the later

[patrickccfc]

Treacy a squad player?

He will either get properly fit and be outstanding or remain grossly overweight and fail to even make the bench.
My money is on the later

They probably wouldn't put him on the bench, well if it was reinforced maybe.

But seriously though, if he gets fit, could be a very good signing.

Looks like gaynor is on the way out with rovers and pats interested

[Ezeikial]

Keane and Treacy actually have a lot in common

http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/league-of-ireland/sacked-for-being-too-fat-26461322.html


http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/other-soccer/from-being-touted-as-next-roy-keane-to-overweight-allegations-and-the-league-of-ireland-scrapheap-the-michael-keane-story-30953134.html

[Longfordian]

Dillon has signed for LTFC. It hasn't been announced yet but that's another story.

[noddy102]

Gaynor is horrific. If anyone doubts me re watch the fai cup final. All he does is clip balls down the line to absolutely know body and is afraid to head the ball, it's embarrassing. Yes he can cross a ball but that doesn't take away from the fact that he gives ball away 8/10 times. Was the same at Sligo.

[Longfordian]

Another signing for Town apparently. John McKeown from Cabinteely. Their captain last year.

https://www.the-newshub.com/football/mckeown-excited-by-longford-challenge985

[White Horse]

Gaynor is horrific. If anyone doubts me re watch the fai cup final. All he does is clip balls down the line to absolutely know body and is afraid to head the ball, it's embarrassing. Yes he can cross a ball but that doesn't take away from the fact that he gives ball away 8/10 times. Was the same at Sligo.

Cork's best player, by some distance. He's not a left back though.