FAI Junior Cup 2009/10

[trueview6]

he came on and scored
Ya but i think he was legal v st michaels

[mulla]

didn't involvement from pike get ye thrown out of the comp?

[trueview6]

didn't involvement from pike get ye thrown out of the comp?
what kind of post is this

[mulla]

what kind of post is this

meant as a reply to thomas72 when he qouted about carew park been thrown out a few yrs back.ok with you?

[the dazzler]

meant as a reply to thomas72 when he qouted about carew park been thrown out a few yrs back.ok with you?

in fairness thats wrong mulla i do know pike gave carew hand when they looked for help ie money from clubs coz regional helped also any carew lads ie thomas confirm this

[mulla]

in fairness thats wrong mulla i do know pike gave carew hand when they looked for help ie money from clubs coz regional helped also any carew lads ie thomas confirm this

only sayin the rumour at the time was that westport or whoever got a tip off from people involved with pike,wasn't tryin to stir was just surprised that thomas was on defending pike if that was the case

[kalyani]

Yes Colm Carroll came on against St Michaels and also played in earlier rounds of Munster Junior and local competitions and league when illegal, this could open up big problems for Pike going forward if other clubs look into it.

[blackjack]

That is a great post. St Michaels are a top club who only did what they thought was correct. They did exactly what pike did a few years ago against Clonmel Town. Town took their case to Arbitration and also lost. I also heard St Michaels won this appeal emphatically ie Pike were totally wrong in that they broke the rules along the lines it doesnt matter what round. pearso27 posts are also totally on the ball with regard to the situation. What a great prospect, Saints .v. Town in semi final -
thats all it is a prospect long long way to go in this saga.

[mundener]

Its a Joke........... If you can't beat every team in ireland your not the best team.

[thomas72]

only sayin the rumour at the time was that westport or whoever got a tip off from people involved with pike,wasn't tryin to stir was just surprised that thomas was on defending pike if that was the case


no no im just saying i know how they feel thats all.

[Damo]

This post sums up exactly whats wrong with all this,ye do not even look at the facts yet your abusing Saint Michaels because Considine is telling all you guys about this letter and that letter,yes Carroll did play in the saints match and not only played but also scored so thats what business it is of Saint Michaels football club,Redcardrory and all theses guys are listening to Considine and believing every word he says and posting here for weeks telling us all there would be no appeal from Saints,then telling us all it would be thrown out,Considine thought he was hilarious sticking his fingers up at the Saint Michaels dug out and being a hero,karma is a terrible thing Declan and he who laughs last laughs longest

I couldn't comment on whether or not some were being led up the garden path by Connie but you are bang on in saying that those same people are not dealing in "facts." And on the point of some Pike people stating a couple of weeks ago - with a certain smugness if truth by told - that we should "all just wait and see"; what exactly did they think we should have been waiting for? One guy kept telling everyone to wait, as if Pike going through was a foregone conclusion. Tis time to speak up, whoever you are!!!

[the lobster]

this is a reall sickner for pike, if any year was their chance to win this comp then this was it, have to say tho that the fai and its ruling in this comp have a grey area that must be cleared up as most years there is problems in junior cup, sure as johnny logan once said, whats another year.

[faces]

End result is Pike are gone... great news for everyone.. except pikeys!! Finally got what ye deserve, from yrs of slagging, goading other clubs about how great ye are and rubbing teams noses in it when ye beat them.. ye are the most hated club in this country, thru no fault but yer own and ye should get no sympathy or reprieve rom this mess... playin an illegal player is against the rules... not the mention the several players yer payin up there!! ye should be thrown outta the Munster junior, and all domestic competions also.
great result so far for saint michaels but dont think it will end there my dear man.get thrown out of every competition what kind of a clown are you.this has got to do with one competition and not as a pikey but as a limerick man i hope the pikeys win this in about 3months time.

[serpico]

Whats disgusting about it???? its an opinionated forum..And im givin mine.. and im afraid Pike are the most hated team in this country. Ye finally got yers.. and I for one am delighted.. Another yr without an fai!!

Expect nothing else from the likes of you.you're not worth even answering.ye definetly won't win it.

[EAFC_rdfl]

End result is Pike are gone... great news for everyone.. except pikeys!! Finally got what ye deserve, from yrs of slagging, goading other clubs about how great ye are and rubbing teams noses in it when ye beat them.. ye are the most hated club in this country, thru no fault but yer own and ye should get no sympathy or reprieve rom this mess... playin an illegal player is against the rules... not the mention the several players yer payin up there!! ye should be thrown outta the Munster junior, and all domestic competions also.


Whats disgusting about it???? its an opinionated forum..And im givin mine.. and im afraid Pike are the most hated team in this country. Ye finally got yers.. and I for one am delighted.. Another yr without an fai!!
well then why dont you write that they are the most hated club BY YOU. Im not from limerick and i couldnt give a shiny sh**e about pike, so dont be saying the whole country hates them. hopefully all the crap will stop in this thread soon and it can go back to being about the Junior Cup, though no doubt it will still be messy over who replaces them

[Roadend]

So a few of you reckon that St Micks only put in an objection because Connie stuck the fingers up. There's been a lot of nonsense written in this thread but that tops the lot :ttth:

[thomas72]

anyone think carrick will be licking there lips over all this a big semi final coming up on sunday carrick total focas on football and training for the game.
pike in the other hand minds could well be somewhere else and not focased on what is a very tough game

[Play_On]

At the end of the day Pike Rovers played an illegal player in the FAI Junior Cup (fair enough if it was in an earlier round). If the shoe was on the other foot they'd more than likely have done the same as St. Michael's.

[Spindoctor]

At the end of the day Pike Rovers played an illegal player in the FAI Junior Cup (fair enough if it was in an earlier round). If the shoe was on the other foot they'd more than likely have done the same as St. Michael's.

"In the interest of fair play"a replay was ordered by the FAI Junior Council after the original hearing but why should St.Michaels advance,definately not in the interest of fair play afterall they were beaten by a legitimate Pike Rovers team on the 14th March.Granted,they may have been illegal in a previous round(s) and should be punished accordingly,but St.Michaels advancement wreaks of wrong doing.Yes,punish Pike Rovers but why REWARD St.Michaels??.......If I was a player with St.Michaels,I would be embarassed to set foot on a pitch to take part in a semi final of an FAI that I hadn't earned the right to be in.....

[Poolman]

I couldn't comment on whether or not some were being led up the garden path by Connie but you are bang on in saying that those same people are not dealing in "facts." And on the point of some Pike people stating a couple of weeks ago - with a certain smugness if truth by told - that we should "all just wait and see"; what exactly did they think we should have been waiting for? One guy kept telling everyone to wait, as if Pike going through was a foregone conclusion. Tis time to speak up, whoever you are!!!
Alot of people on this site we pretending to be pike rovers and were not so dont believe half the tripe thats on this site, and for the record it will be going to court where a judge a neutral judge will decide who goes through.
How long will it take to get to abirtration because i have holidays in August, i think after this year the fai will have get there act together fai junior saying one thing fai senior doing the opposite.

[Poolman]

"In the interest of fair play"a replay was ordered by the FAI Junior Council after the original hearing but why should St.Michaels advance,definately not in the interest of fair play afterall they were beaten by a legitimate Pike Rovers team on the 14th March.Granted,they may have been illegal in a previous round(s) and should be punished accordingly,but St.Michaels advancement wreaks of wrong doing.Yes,punish Pike Rovers but why REWARD St.Michaels??.......If I was a player with St.Michaels,I would be embarassed to set foot on a pitch to take part in a semi final of an FAI that I hadn't earned the right to be in.....
Fair post.

[barryk]

So the FAI have the right to remove Pike .How they can reward St Michaels for Pike's infraction adds further to the theory (whether true or not) that Saints have pull in higher circles.

When all this broke an "FAI HEAD" told me that the FAI Senior body were out to get Pike after complaints from Limerick FC that Pike were paying their players more than the Senior Club. "they would get them somehow" was the comment. I did not believe it at the time - now I don not know.
I hope the FAI know what they have done as a precedent is now set for clubs to object up to the semi final stage against players who have played all through the competition. I can see the dosiers being created.

[Notaclue]

As a Limerickman I'm very disappointed with this decision but not in the least surprised. One question springs to mind, if Pike do go legal what happens to the FAI Senior Cup second round matches?
Bluebell United v St. Michaels/Pike Rovers to be played weekending May 16th. The FAI could have a serious problem at senior level........but what's new there!!!!!

[mulla]

"In the interest of fair play"a replay was ordered by the FAI Junior Council after the original hearing but why should St.Michaels advance,definately not in the interest of fair play afterall they were beaten by a legitimate Pike Rovers team on the 14th March.Granted,they may have been illegal in a previous round(s) and should be punished accordingly,but St.Michaels advancement wreaks of wrong doing.Yes,punish Pike Rovers but why REWARD St.Michaels??.......If I was a player with St.Michaels,I would be embarassed to set foot on a pitch to take part in a semi final of an FAI that I hadn't earned the right to be in.....

i think the point is why should st micheals have had to play pike,they should have been thrown out after the aisling game end of so there is no reason micheals should have had to play them anyways,you gotta feel sorry for some of the pike players,some of them are there for obvious reasons but a few of them have been there for a while now like enright and mcgarryand others and its an awful shame that they should lose outwhen the players themselves haven't done a thing wrong

[the bandit]

i think the point is why should st micheals have had to play pike,they should have been thrown out after the aisling game end of so there is no reason micheals should have had to play them anyways,you gotta feel sorry for some of the pike players,some of them are there for obvious reasons but a few of them have been there for a while now like enright and mcgarryand others and its an awful shame that they should lose outwhen the players themselves haven't done a thing wrong

Mulla don't be such a hypocrite everyone knows you hate pike so don't be letting on you feel sorry players up there when you don't give a sh....so just keep you're stupid comments to youreself.

[mulla]

Mulla don't be such a hypocrite everyone knows you hate pike so don't be letting on you feel sorry players up there when you don't give a sh....so just keep you're stupid comments to youreself.

i'm not being hypocritical at all,i never said i hated pike and just because i never jumped on the bandwagon to defend them shouldn't mean a thing, i always stated that if they were found guilty of playing an illegal player and if you look back i have always said if, then they should be thrown out the same as i would have said if it had been any other team so don't give me crap ,
i do feel sorry for the players,but do i feel sorry for tthe ex balla and view men who swore never to play for ye?no.do i feel sorry for pike? no. i am involved with the dines and ya we have had a brutal season,getting demolished in the process in the tuohy by pike when they had a few ex loi players playing.And i can tell you this its pretty demoralising going out and giving your all but being 5 0 down and then they bring on more ex loi playersBut if your going to go around signing these guys by whatever means ye have at least make sure everything is in order.

[pimpong]

Just sick and tired of listening to yere crap.if ye don't like pike so what but why keep talking crap here, are ye jealous of what they have?have nothing to do with pike either by the way.
did i say anything about pike and by the way i dont give a toss who goes threw

[the bandit]

i'm not being hypocritical at all,i never said i hated pike and just because i never jumped on the bandwagon to defend them shouldn't mean a thing, i always stated that if they were found guilty of playing an illegal player and if you look back i have always said if, then they should be thrown out the same as i would have said if it had been any other team so don't give me crap ,
i do feel sorry for the players,but do i feel sorry for tthe ex balla and view men who swore never to play for ye?no.do i feel sorry for pike? no. i am involved with the dines and ya we have had a brutal season,getting demolished in the process in the tuohy by pike when they had a few ex loi players playing.And i can tell you this its pretty demoralising going out and giving your all but being 5 0 down and then they bring on more ex loi playersBut if your going to go around signing these guys by whatever means ye have at least make sure everything is in order.

Object then.and who said that Davy Ryan and Wayne said they would never play for pike,that's exactly the crap I'm talking about.if you're involved with dines as you say you are you wouldn't have a clue what goes on in pike rovers.so shut it.

[mulla]

Object then.and who said that Davy Ryan and Wayne said they would never play for pike,that's exactly the crap I'm talking about.if you're involved with dines as you say you are you wouldn't have a clue what goes on in pike rovers.so shut it.

if your not invoulve with pike either whats it got to do with you and for your info it came straight from the balla mans mouth,family to feed and all that crap,better incentives shall we say in pike

[the bandit]

if your not invoulve with pike either whats it got to do with you and for your info it came straight from the balla mans mouth,family to feed and all that crap,better incentives shall we say in pike

Typical.expect nothing else from you.

[serpico]

if your not invoulve with pike either whats it got to do with you and for your info it came straight from the balla mans mouth,family to feed and all that crap,better incentives shall we say in pike

Mulla just see a few of your posts there a lot of people say a lot of things.I don't think you should be posting what you are posting when you really don't know do you???so give it a break please.

[bluewhitearmy]

Doesn't help the fact that St.Michaels have a very friendly relationship with the FAI that was proved when the Irish national team trained there for the games in Thomond.

[faces]

Mulla just see a few of your posts there a lot of people say a lot of things.I don't think you should be posting what you are posting when you really don't know do you???so give it a break please.
lads any player or supporter on here from limerick and are talking s*** about pike rovers would want to go away and get there head examined and start backing the local side and put aside all the jealousy they have for pike.we are all jealous of pike and the bigger clubs for one reason or another but at the end of the day they are a limerick team representing pike and limerick in an fai competition.hope pike go on to next stage of appeal and win it.

[serpico]

lads any player or supporter on here from limerick and are talking s*** about pike rovers would want to go away and get there head examined and start backing the local side and put aside all the jealousy they have for pike.we are all jealous of pike and the bigger clubs for one reason or another but at the end of the day they are a limerick team representing pike and limerick in an fai competition.hope pike go on to next stage of appeal and win it.
Fair play to you faces.

[SeniorBlue]

Fair play to you faces.

Lads i'm not in anyones corner but i am miffed about a couple of things. Pike got a letter stating Colm could play in the quarter final against Michael's so did they feel they needed it to prove he was in the clear or what. Next thing is St Michael's lost the game to a team who in the eyes of the junior council was legit seeing as this player was now clear so how in the hell are they geting back into the competition, they lost fair and square and it relates to games Colm had played earlier in the competition so in my eyes St Michael's should do the dignified thing and withdraw from the competition. As for Pike, we all know what is going on up there in relation to a few lads getting expense, so what, good luck to them if they are travelling in for training from long distances and it seems the senior council think they are acting in a professional manner but the FAI have no more proof than any other of us. They are going on hear say. I think Pike won through with the squad they signed at the start of the seaon and every one of us knew who was signed so its not like they transferred Colm in just for one game and cheated in a blatant manner. I'm sure like the rest of us JUNIOR players Colm just wants to play ball and compete for big trophies, don't know him but its not nice for someone to be hung out as an excuse when he did nothing wrong.

As Goals4Fun says and he is right the FAI are a disgrace, they never release statements to explain anything, their rules are very ambiguous and they are not there for the good of football, they are living in the distant past with their dinosaur members and they need a reality check.

For what its worth as a Limerick man i wish Pike the bet in whatever avenue they decide to go down and even though the competition is tarnished this season, i still hope the best team wins it

[Denners]

The F.A.I are an absolute joke of an organisation. St.Michaels are after opening a can of worms with this appeal and it doesn't surprise me one bit with the ruling considering those clowns Tom Lewis and Delaney are pulling the strings. As much as I would love to see Pike go through, I'm not sure it will happen considering how much of a raw deal Carew Park got a few years back. I don't think Aisling will try to get reinstated, even if Pike are removed, as some clubs still have a bit of dignity. St.Michaels had no right to appeal a decision for a game which did not concern them and they have lost alot of respect to get back into a competition that they won't win anyway.

[twohalves]

Roy Keane was correct about the FAI - MUPPETS!! The FAI cup has lost its prestige and class as a the biggest club competition in Europe simply becase the FAI themselves cannot relay to each club the rules of competition. I think they need to bring back a rule which prevents players from leaving senior set-ups and going directly into a junior team,maybe a 3 or 6 month period where the player does not play?? This could maybe prevent a junior club trying to build a team for the FAI cup as soon as the Senior domestic season finishes in February which is just when the Junior season begins to hit the business end.??

[gaidin]

What round did the illegal player play in? And if Pike are thrown out why let Michaels into the semi, cant the team Pike beat to get to the quarters be reinstated to play Michaels in the quarters?

[juniorballer]

I doubt this has anything much to do with Delaney or Tom Lewis. The senior council apparently made it clear to more than one interested party that it wouldn't be right having what they consider a LOI Senior side winning their prestigious Junior Cup, and were prepared to try and stop them by any means possible. Any co-incidence then that Mike O'Brien, a Limerick man who played with St Michaels and is heavily involved in the FAI junior scene as head scout for Gerry Smith, starts taking an interest in the registration of Pike Rovers players and enlists the help and advice of his pal, the pet shop boy, who gets a lot of his information on LOI issues from his pal, the butcher.

The one clear thing in all of this is that Saint Micheals should not be in the competition, whatever about Pike. Maybe Pike deserve to be kicked out too, but in fairness to them they got bum advice from the LDMC....Was it a conspiracy all along I wonder? Call Mulder and Scully. All this is going to do is destroy whatever integrity this competition had left. It woold take at least 6-8 weeks for this to go to arbitration I presume, by which time the Senior Cup will also be affected.

Hats off to you all in Abbottstown. Ye really do know how to make a mountain out of a molehill.

[serpico]

You left out the gaa player tsdl oc manager.great post though the fai bottled it big time.

[leather]

Dont forget o.h.hidel

[Poolman]

i'm not being hypocritical at all,i never said i hated pike and just because i never jumped on the bandwagon to defend them shouldn't mean a thing, i always stated that if they were found guilty of playing an illegal player and if you look back i have always said if, then they should be thrown out the same as i would have said if it had been any other team so don't give me crap ,
i do feel sorry for the players,but do i feel sorry for tthe ex balla and view men who swore never to play for ye?no.do i feel sorry for pike? no. i am involved with the dines and ya we have had a brutal season,getting demolished in the process in the tuohy by pike when they had a few ex loi players playing.And i can tell you this its pretty demoralising going out and giving your all but being 5 0 down and then they bring on more ex loi playersBut if your going to go around signing these guys by whatever means ye have at least make sure everything is in order.
Stop embarrassing yourself, and your not involved in the dines so stop making a fool of urself

[blinkx]

Pike have(or should have) 10 days from special rulings to appeal the decision from the date of issue, so 10 days from Tuesday 13th. I'd imagine they'll call some sort of EGM over the week I'd imagine and decide the best avenue to follow. I hope they take this to arbitration. However it'll cost them an awful lot of money, especially for a Junior club. This entire fiasco has left a bad taste in my mouth regards the FAI.

As a Limerick man I wish Pike Rovers the very best of luck however they wish to proceed. It'd be fantastic to see the 2 best sides in junior soccer at the moment(Fairview and Pike) battle out an FAI cup final in Jackman park.

[saintsfan]

I couldn't comment on whether or not some were being led up the garden path by Connie but you are bang on in saying that those same people are not dealing in "facts." And on the point of some Pike people stating a couple of weeks ago - with a certain smugness if truth by told - that we should "all just wait and see"; what exactly did they think we should have been waiting for? One guy kept telling everyone to wait, as if Pike going through was a foregone conclusion. Tis time to speak up, whoever you are!!!

In reply to the above, Pike would have done exactly the same if shoe was on the other foot, why is everyone vilifying Saint Michaels when all they did was take an avenue that was open to them, they were fully entitled to do so as already said, the player involved scored against Saints. It is not Saint's problem that this happened to come to the fore when they played Pike. People are mentioning names from Limerick who are close to Saints. This is totaly rubbish. Saints found out about this fair and square (just like Pike did a few years ago) and Pike had no pity for Town when they got them thrown out of Munster Junior Cup a few years. As you say, it's all Karma. No Club in this Country should be especially put together to try and win an FAI Cup, how are smaller Clubs in the towns and villages expected to play against the like of Pike Rovers when they dont play fair! St. Michaels are through fair and square and have a right to try and win it, anyone who says different are just jealous or two faced if they are involved with Pike when they appealed against Town some time back, Get on with it! Pike can take it all they like to Arbitration but the result will stay the same, They even got fined! They were totally wrong and the FAI Junior Council should have taken the correct stand from day one!

[van der wheil]

Have to say even as a Fairview man all i can do is feel sorry for Pike.I have numerous old good friends up there who put in a lot of hard work behind the scenes and they are just gutted about what has gone on.I really dont get all this hatred of Pike - yes they have a few loud mouth idiots following(what club doesnt) them that probably tarnish the reputation of the rest of the club but the majority of them are sound honest lads.
As regards arbitration i feel its probably a lost cause - cant see the FAI senior councul putting themselves in the position where its possible there decision could be overturned and i also believe its unhread of for 1 of there decisions to be over ruled.

[saintsfan]

Pike wern't so embarrassed to take part in the Munster Junior Cup after appealing against CLonmel Town a few years back, dont be so hypocritical! that is a ridiculous statement to make

[blinkx]

I'm sure Pike Rovers committee and members will continue the matter in the best way possible(for them). It'd be a horrible thing for them to look back on in years to come and say they should have took the matter as far as it can go after accepting the decision. Only time will tell I suppose.

[Poolman]

I doubt this has anything much to do with Delaney or Tom Lewis. The senior council apparently made it clear to more than one interested party that it wouldn't be right having what they consider a LOI Senior side winning their prestigious Junior Cup, and were prepared to try and stop them by any means possible. Any co-incidence then that Mike O'Brien, a Limerick man who played with St Michaels and is heavily involved in the FAI junior scene as head scout for Gerry Smith, starts taking an interest in the registration of Pike Rovers players and enlists the help and advice of his pal, the pet shop boy, who gets a lot of his information on LOI issues from his pal, the butcher.

The one clear thing in all of this is that Saint Micheals should not be in the competition, whatever about Pike. Maybe Pike deserve to be kicked out too, but in fairness to them they got bum advice from the LDMC....Was it a conspiracy all along I wonder? Call Mulder and Scully. All this is going to do is destroy whatever integrity this competition had left. It woold take at least 6-8 weeks for this to go to arbitration I presume, by which time the Senior Cup will also be affected.

Hats off to you all in Abbottstown. Ye really do know how to make a mountain out of a molehill.
Stop trying to move the attention away from yourself, you mentioned lol senior side, all players that played against st michaels were junior players all of them.

[juniorballer]

Stop trying to move the attention away from yourself, you mentioned lol senior side, all players that played against st michaels were junior players all of them. Seriously...are you trying to test the theory of evolution here??:confused2:

How am I moving attention from myself? What the hell have I got to do with any of this? What I was saying is that the senior council of the FAI are annoyed that there are so many recent ex LOI players in Pikes squad and this could be why they have come down so heavy on them.

Read my post again...you'll see I'm quite supportive of Pike.

[the bandit]

Pike have(or should have) 10 days from special rulings to appeal the decision from the date of issue, so 10 days from Tuesday 13th. I'd imagine they'll call some sort of EGM over the week I'd imagine and decide the best avenue to follow. I hope they take this to arbitration. However it'll cost them an awful lot of money, especially for a Junior club. This entire fiasco has left a bad taste in my mouth regards the FAI.

As a Limerick man I wish Pike Rovers the very best of luck however they wish to proceed. It'd be fantastic to see the 2 best sides in junior soccer at the moment(Fairview and Pike) battle out an FAI cup final in Jackman park.

Jesus you were a Dublin man a few weeks ago?